Good morning, Afternon, Evening (as appropriate :/) all, I have been a Linux user for about 25 years. I was introduced to it when it had to be downloaded from a Bulletin Board via (cough) a 1200 baud modem. (For those who don't know, Its like writing the code into the computer while listening to it being dictated over the phone) I have over the years attempted to participate in the Linux Community - but have always been put off by various attitudes of some Guru's I was kicked/banned from the #linux IRC channel for "Lurking" when simply I was trying to catch up with the current conversation. I was always of the opinion that it was rude to interrupt. I never again tried to ask for help, or even consider contributing until now. I am acutely aware that programming is a High Math/Sciences calling and that those who are high Math/Sciences tend to have a few flaws in their communication skills. I my self have been in trouble for this on many occasions. I have only recently joined this list as I am considering contributing. I asked one question and it seemed to turn into a divisive argument to some people. I have since observed that this does not seem to be an isolated occurrence. I would like to point out that since these threads are in the public domain, that all words used need to be thought and read through twice. Every thing written here will be read by newbies and other possible future Guru's. What they read may just push them away instead of attracting them to the Linux cause. If I have written anything that Offends I would like to apologize in advance. It is not my intention to start some great debate - but simply to try and make people think twice before replying to any thread, especially when upset. Thanks Macca