Hey guys I'm sure you guys are cool and all but please STOP SENDING THOSE DARN NEWS LETTER! thank you -------- Original Message -------- From: aur-general-request@archlinux.org Apparently from: aur-general-bounces@archlinux.org To: aur-general@archlinux.org Subject: aur-general Digest, Vol 115, Issue 14 Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 11:01:58 -0400

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (Xyne) 2. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (Amish) 3. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (David J. Haines) 4. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (Florian Bruhin) 5. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (James Bulmer) 6. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (Amish)

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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:19:46 +0000 From: Xyne To: aur-general@archlinux.org Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? Message-ID: <20140508141946.69a2e78f@archlinux.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On 2014-05-08 14:10 +0000 Xyne wrote:

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To give another example, I have attached a very simple script that accepts a list of package names and prints out their last modification times in a sorted list. It depends on python3-aur.

The attachments seems to have been stripped. You can find the script here:

http://xyne.archlinux.ca/scripts/aur/list_aur_mtimes.py

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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 20:06:15 +0530 From: Amish To: aur-general@archlinux.org Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? Message-ID: <536B965F.3080206@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 05/08/2014 07:40 PM, Xyne wrote:

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On 2014-05-08 10:50 +0530 Amish wrote:

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I added one line in package update Guidelines for Maintainer.

Here is the link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository#Maintaining_packag...

Here is the line added:

"After submitting the update, leave a comment on AUR page of the package so users following the package get notified."

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Please remove that. Commenting every single update will clutter up the comments page and make it harder to follow discussions.

I am ok with removing it. But I would like if more people give opinion.

Because:

1) Its just a guideline, not every maintainer will follow it.

2) Maintainer can add one more point in guideline: to "delete" his older update comment when new update is uploaded.

3) I think commenting about update will involve more people and bring awareness that the AUR package is active and not orphaned.

Please think over point 2, If maintainer follows guideline and posts update comment, he will also delete older update comment.

If maintainer does not follow guideline, no need to delete anything either!

Both ways, comment system will remain clean.

Regards,

Amish

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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:42:31 -0400 From: "David J. Haines" To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)" Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? Message-ID: <20140508144231.GA20615@aludra.phillips-angley.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 08:06:15PM +0530, Amish wrote:

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On 05/08/2014 07:40 PM, Xyne wrote:

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On 2014-05-08 10:50 +0530 Amish wrote:

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I added one line in package update Guidelines for Maintainer.

Here is the link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository#Maintaining_packag...

Here is the line added:

"After submitting the update, leave a comment on AUR page of the package so users following the package get notified."

...

Please remove that. Commenting every single update will clutter up the comments page and make it harder to follow discussions.

I am ok with removing it. But I would like if more people give opinion.

Because:

1) Its just a guideline, not every maintainer will follow it.

2) Maintainer can add one more point in guideline: to "delete" his older update comment when new update is uploaded.

3) I think commenting about update will involve more people and bring awareness that the AUR package is active and not orphaned.

Please think over point 2, If maintainer follows guideline and posts update comment, he will also delete older update comment.

If maintainer does not follow guideline, no need to delete anything either!

Both ways, comment system will remain clean.

Regards,

Amish

As a maintainer, I would never notify my packages' users. Why? Because as a user, I would never want such notifications in the first place. All it would do is clutter up my inbox and thus make me want to turn off notifications for the package in question. Seeing as how useful discussions actually occur in the AUR comments, I would prefer to keep notifications active, but that wouldn't stop me if maintainers started doing this.

Essentially, this is the flip side of the highly-annoying "a new update is available" comment, when the flag out-of-date link is right there. -- David J. Haines djhaines@gmx.com 0xAFB3D16D - F929 270F B7C3 78AE A741 434F A7C6 F264 AFB3 D16C

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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:48:48 +0200 From: Florian Bruhin To: aur-general@archlinux.org Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? Message-ID: <20140508144848.GK6735@lupin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

* Amish [2014-05-08 20:06:15 +0530]:

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On 05/08/2014 07:40 PM, Xyne wrote:

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On 2014-05-08 10:50 +0530 Amish wrote:

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I added one line in package update Guidelines for Maintainer.

Here is the link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository#Maintaining_packag...

Here is the line added:

"After submitting the update, leave a comment on AUR page of the package so users following the package get notified."

...

Please remove that. Commenting every single update will clutter up the comments page and make it harder to follow discussions.

I am ok with removing it. But I would like if more people give opinion.

Because:

1) Its just a guideline, not every maintainer will follow it.

2) Maintainer can add one more point in guideline: to "delete" his older update comment when new update is uploaded.

3) I think commenting about update will involve more people and bring awareness that the AUR package is active and not orphaned.

Please think over point 2, If maintainer follows guideline and posts update comment, he will also delete older update comment.

If maintainer does not follow guideline, no need to delete anything either!

Both ways, comment system will remain clean.

Regards,

Amish

As both a maintainer and user of quite a few AUR packages: I'll get annoyed and unsubscribe from notifications for all the packages I use which do this, and I'll certainly not do it myself.

There *are* already a lot of tools which allow you to opt-in to update notifications, why don't you simply use these?

With your guideline change, you're forcing everyone to get update notifications even if they aren't interested.

For me, seeing the updates in my AUR helper is more than enough, I don't want an email on every update, but I want mails on comments.

Florian

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