Il 05/03/24 01:08, Muflone ha scritto:

Hi

Il 05/03/24 00:50, Pellegrino Prevete ha scritto:

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Hello people,

tonight the super-mario-brosmpackage has been deleted for the second time by Muflone.

The packages were first deleted then later you submitted the same packages again after some minutes, ignoring at all the reasons and the decision for the deletion.

Whenever a package is removed, it's meant to be removed, you simply don't re-upload it again like anything hasn't happened.

I gave you the explanation for the deletion twice for each package (in total then 4 times) before deleting the package, so your 2nd publication today is entirely your own act ignoring deliberately the decision without any previous discussion about that.

It was explained you twice, the super-mario-bros and super-mario-bros-2 packages were only ROM files downloaded from archive.org and run using a NES emulator. AUR is not the place where to upload ROMs to be run with emulators.

Whatever you plan to do with your `ur` is irrelevant to the super-mario-bros{,-2} deletion decisions.

While I was replying to the previous email, the user truocolo has re-uploaded the same package for the third time. Therefore the truocolo account is temporarily suspended from the AUR until a decision is finally took. -- Fabio Castelli aka Muflone

Re: removal of yuzu from the official repos – Hi

Il 05/03/24 00:50, Pellegrino Prevete ha scritto:

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Hello people, tonight the super-mario-brosmpackage has been deleted for the second time by Muflone.

The packages were first deleted then later you submitted the same packages again after some minutes, ignoring at all the reasons and the decision for the deletion.

Whenever a package is removed, it's meant to be removed, you simply don't re-upload it again like anything hasn't happened.

I gave you the explanation for the deletion twice for each package (in total then 4 times) before deleting the package, so your 2nd publication today is entirely your own act ignoring deliberately the decision without any previous discussion about that.

It was explained you twice, the super-mario-bros and super-mario-bros-2 packages were only ROM files downloaded from archive.org and run using a NES emulator. AUR is not the place where to upload ROMs to be run with emulators.

Whatever you plan to do with your `ur` is irrelevant to the super-mario-bros{,-2} deletion decisions.

Regards

I have left messages in reply to Muflone's request on both aurweb and commit logs and asked there to open a request for comments here. Deleting those packages leveraging higher judgement of administrative permission is not nice as I see it, it's a rule I don't favour as it creates attrition. The observation I made which didn't receive a reply have not been addressed on here either. They are not accessible, I would love if Muflone were to post them himself, as he made them unavailable by deleting the package. It's also why I didn't include them, you know. To have others feel the same annoying not being able to recover the info required to handle the request. Anyway, I have not uploaded any rom on the aur. I've let a software as any other being accessible through a package, exactly same way as a let's say, a flash version of tuxrace. I do not see this decision nor the followingby him to suspend the account as fair. I don't see as fair the deletion of others my packages I see incoming. Again, it's a behaviour only pushes me to want a something which does not need any authority to work. From my point of view the only allowed action by Muflone or any other 'admin' on any package should be 'its not okay for me', no more. Same for I don't know, the arch team. It's arch team opinion, that's all. I would ask for any formal complaint to be processed. I do not like almost about anything of how this whole 'ticket' is being handled frankly. I never said the ur is irrelevant in having that package in the repo, quite the opposite. About the yuzu thread, this effect is obtained through having accessed, as other times, the mailing list through the delta chat application, so I don't even know on which subject I were replying to. To exceptions follow exceptions. As above, not posting details about the issue highlights to me the absurdity of - having the package comment data be deleted at package deletion - having a non-voting based deletion process. I find the observations about the ur being a threat to the aur total non-sense. The ur solves that resources from the aur can be obscured or deleted. Having anybody being able for any reason to make an aur resource inaccessible is a strikening defect of the project as I see it. Its a fork in the sense that it is gonna become an upstream if the aur does not yrovide the resource, so effectively becoming a fork probably over time. I do not see any of the observations made on any crypto worth relevant, as the 'arbitrarly cheap blockchain' only means it's provided a working publishing tool. My 'adversarial' position derives from having had to make people notice the dmca exception in many places over time, so having Muflone deleting the package on the basis super mario is different than any other single file binary executable provided by a videogame publisher is quite surprising. Having the package being deleted before the ur is at a stable version is also what spurred my frustration, since it solves the issue definitely without additienal waste of time.

Mar 4, 2024 18:51:25 Pellegrino Prevete <pellegrinoprevete@gmail.com>:

Hello people,

tonight the super-mario-brosmpackage has been deleted for the second time by Muflone.

I invited him to discuss that deletion on here but he didn't so I am doing.

I hope so much the result of this discussion won't result it me having to fork the aur immediately just to not comply with this decision.

I have already been planning to fork the aur for a long while actually into something called ur to be hosted on arbitrarly cheap blockchains to get to avoid situations such as these. Did you need to reply to the yuzu removal thread for this instead of starting a new thread to discuss whatever issue you have? Super Mario Bros may be a Nintendo IP, however yuzu was an emulator, prior to them settling in the lawsuit, it is therefore off-topic to discuss a Nintendo game on a thread about a notice that the emulator is now defunct due to said settlement.

Besides, your message as it is now is not exactly encouraging a healthy discussion on the subject: first stating a package was deleted twice, that discussing the deletion on this list was denied, not including any potential explanations as to why it has been done that you could likely have obtained when communicating with muflone on the subject, and then threatening to fork the AUR into a crypto project, which, let's be honest, is not exactly a strong threat: - It's unlikely that many users would follow you in this fork - It's unlikely that many, if any, AUR helping tools would add support for it - The reputation of crypto and related projects at this point in time might be at it's lowest ever due to the incredibly high occurrences of fraud and scams using the technology As an added bonus, this threat immediately sets you up in an adversarial position, which is not a nice environment to have an actual productive discussion in. -- Kusoneko GPG: https://kusoneko.moe/gpg.txt https://kusoneko.moe