Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:07:09 +0100 From: Andreas Radke a.radke@arcor.de Subject: [aur-general] catalyst-beta removed/take care of illegal stuff!
@all: don't blame me for taking you that possibility from you. Go and send a nice thanks to AMD for not doing public beta tests.
-AndyRTR
If we are to send some "nice thanks letters" to AMD, maybe some more official activity like some petition under protection of an Arch Dev would have a higher chance of actually changing anything don't you think?
- Nicky726
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:51:15 +0100 Nicky726 nicky726@gmail.com wrote:
If we are to send some "nice thanks letters" to AMD, maybe some more official activity like some petition under protection of an Arch Dev would have a higher chance of actually changing anything don't you think?
I don't think it make any difference. Why companies should care about Arch or it's petition?
Hey,
I don't think it make any difference. Why companies should care about Arch or it's petition?
Because we are the users and we have paid for their cards! We do have the right to demand a working driver (which actually is ridiculous since you can't operate your card without a driver). I don't see any reason why linux users should be second class users. Our money is of the same worth as anyone elses.
At least AMD/ATI is releasing some documentation so we can just wait until the xf86-video-ati/radeonhd become stable and suit most desktop users needs and then abandon AMDs catalyst.
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:59:45 +0100 "Markus Heuser" mheuser@mi.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hey,
I don't think it make any difference. Why companies should care about Arch or it's petition?
Because we are the users and we have paid for their cards! We do have the right to demand a working driver (which actually is ridiculous since you can't operate your card without a driver). I don't see any reason why linux users should be second class users. Our money is of the same worth as anyone elses.
I did not follow this discussion at all, but probably you have paid for hardware that is warranted to work on several OS's, but not on Linux. If so , you have the right to "ask", "recommend", "inform" but not to "demand".
Dieter
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Dieter Plaetinck dieter@plaetinck.be wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:59:45 +0100 "Markus Heuser" mheuser@mi.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hey,
I don't think it make any difference. Why companies should care about Arch or it's petition?
Because we are the users and we have paid for their cards! We do have the right to demand a working driver (which actually is ridiculous since you can't operate your card without a driver). I don't see any reason why linux users should be second class users. Our money is of the same worth as anyone elses.
I did not follow this discussion at all, but probably you have paid for hardware that is warranted to work on several OS's, but not on Linux. If so , you have the right to "ask", "recommend", "inform" but not to "demand".
I was going to say something similar. That is probably lists OSes it works on on the side of the box, and the onus is on you ensure you buy proper hardware. Otherwise it's like putting kerosene in your car and then demanding the car maker makes it work.
Still... they *are* working for Linux drivers. It's a funny state that we feel like we should be kindly asking for them to give us these drivers that they have. I mean, yeah, they're beta -- but I just feel strange begging a company to give me my product, while they're still working on it, after I bought it.
-AT
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgriffin@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Dieter Plaetinck dieter@plaetinck.be wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:59:45 +0100 "Markus Heuser" mheuser@mi.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hey,
I don't think it make any difference. Why companies should care about Arch or it's petition?
Because we are the users and we have paid for their cards! We do have the right to demand a working driver (which actually is ridiculous since you can't operate your card without a driver). I don't see any reason why linux users should be second class users. Our money is of the same worth as anyone elses.
I did not follow this discussion at all, but probably you have paid for hardware that is warranted to work on several OS's, but not on Linux. If so , you have the right to "ask", "recommend", "inform" but not to "demand".
I was going to say something similar. That is probably lists OSes it works on on the side of the box, and the onus is on you ensure you buy proper hardware. Otherwise it's like putting kerosene in your car and then demanding the car maker makes it work.
Markus Heuser schrieb:
Hey,
[...]
At least AMD/ATI is releasing some documentation so we can just wait until the xf86-video-ati/radeonhd become stable and suit most desktop users needs and then abandon AMDs catalyst.
Hey ho @all, I'm using radeonhd for quite some time now and I will continue to use it, because it is stable and suite my needs (Desktop-Stuff mostly und a Diablo II game if there's some spare time ;) )
*all thumbs up for the radeonhd*
cya, enni | telsh
Cool, nice to hear that it's doing well.
-AT
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Enrico Scichilone pirat@telsh.net wrote:
Markus Heuser schrieb:
Hey,
[...]
At least AMD/ATI is releasing some documentation so we can just wait until the xf86-video-ati/radeonhd become stable and suit most desktop users needs and then abandon AMDs catalyst.
Hey ho @all, I'm using radeonhd for quite some time now and I will continue to use it, because it is stable and suite my needs (Desktop-Stuff mostly und a Diablo II game if there's some spare time ;) )
*all thumbs up for the radeonhd*
cya, enni | telsh
-- "Es ist sinnlos zu sagen: Wir tun unser Bestes. Es muß dir gelingen, das zu tun, was erforderlich ist." -- Winston Churchill
How the heck did this turn into "ArchLinux hates Catalyst drivers so are taking them out of the repositories" in the news? Man, I'm going to be more dubious of rumor-sounding news in the future after seeing this happen right under my nose.
-AT
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Andrei Thorp garoth@gmail.com wrote:
Cool, nice to hear that it's doing well.
-AT
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Enrico Scichilone pirat@telsh.net wrote:
Markus Heuser schrieb:
Hey,
[...]
At least AMD/ATI is releasing some documentation so we can just wait until the xf86-video-ati/radeonhd become stable and suit most desktop users needs and then abandon AMDs catalyst.
Hey ho @all, I'm using radeonhd for quite some time now and I will continue to use it, because it is stable and suite my needs (Desktop-Stuff mostly und a Diablo II game if there's some spare time ;) )
*all thumbs up for the radeonhd*
cya, enni | telsh
-- "Es ist sinnlos zu sagen: Wir tun unser Bestes. Es muß dir gelingen, das zu tun, was erforderlich ist." -- Winston Churchill
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Andrei Thorp garoth@gmail.com wrote:
How the heck did this turn into "ArchLinux hates Catalyst drivers so are taking them out of the repositories" in the news? Man, I'm going to be more dubious of rumor-sounding news in the future after seeing this happen right under my nose.
Next time: Arch Linux hates puppies and sunshine
Sounds like something we should _try_ to get into the news or on a t-shirt :)
-AT
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgriffin@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Andrei Thorp garoth@gmail.com wrote:
How the heck did this turn into "ArchLinux hates Catalyst drivers so are taking them out of the repositories" in the news? Man, I'm going to be more dubious of rumor-sounding news in the future after seeing this happen right under my nose.
Next time: Arch Linux hates puppies and sunshine
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