[aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given

shoober420

4 Nov 2018 4 Nov '18

2 a.m.

I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package. Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given, except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote. "come back with a better request, my dude" So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied, then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned about anything I may have done wrong, and I'm currently maintaining two packages, and co-maintaining another one, which I no longer can access. Please unsuspend my account so I can maintain my packages. Vincent Grande <shoober420>

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Robin Broda

4 Nov 4 Nov

2:18 a.m.

On 11/4/18 2:00 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:
> I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been
> updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the
> particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining
> the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package.
> 
> Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given,
You have, on the same day, posted four requests
(PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138)
each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.'
- instead of anything useful.

> except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote.

You're greatly misrepresenting this case.
If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you -
considering all of your 'high quality' requests,
and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive
comments on some of the packages in question - namely
'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected
your request out of spite or something.

The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to
my closure of your requests.

> "come back with a better request, my dude"
> 
> So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied,

Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL'
is not a good, or even appropriate, request either.

> then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned
> about anything I may have done wrong

Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th,
that'll be one week since i suspended you.

Please think about the requests you post in the future,
and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs.

-- 
Rob (coderobe)

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shoober420

2:43 a.m.

I’m sorry you mistaken my humor for disrespect, it wasn’t meant to be taken
that way.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Robin Broda via aur-general <
aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

> On 11/4/18 2:00 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:
> > I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been
> > updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the
> > particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining
> > the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package.
> >
> > Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given,
> You have, on the same day, posted four requests
> (PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138)
> each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.'
> - instead of anything useful.
>
> > except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote.
>
> You're greatly misrepresenting this case.
> If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you -
> considering all of your 'high quality' requests,
> and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive
> comments on some of the packages in question - namely
> 'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected
> your request out of spite or something.
>
> The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to
> my closure of your requests.
>
> > "come back with a better request, my dude"
> >
> > So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied,
>
> Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL'
> is not a good, or even appropriate, request either.
>
> > then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned
> > about anything I may have done wrong
>
> Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th,
> that'll be one week since i suspended you.
>
> Please think about the requests you post in the future,
> and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs.
>
> --
> Rob (coderobe)
>
> O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
>
>

shoober420

3:09 a.m.

This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the
suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this
"political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the
very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the
impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and
humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and
resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic
decision.

On 11/3/18, Robin Broda via aur-general  wrote:
> On 11/4/18 2:00 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:
>> I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been
>> updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the
>> particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining
>> the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package.
>>
>> Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given,
> You have, on the same day, posted four requests
> (PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138)
> each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.'
> - instead of anything useful.
>
>> except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote.
>
> You're greatly misrepresenting this case.
> If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you -
> considering all of your 'high quality' requests,
> and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive
> comments on some of the packages in question - namely
> 'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected
> your request out of spite or something.
>
> The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to
> my closure of your requests.
>
>> "come back with a better request, my dude"
>>
>> So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied,
>
> Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL'
> is not a good, or even appropriate, request either.
>
>> then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned
>> about anything I may have done wrong
>
> Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th,
> that'll be one week since i suspended you.
>
> Please think about the requests you post in the future,
> and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs.
>
> --
> Rob (coderobe)
>
> O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
>
>

Mark Weiman

3:34 a.m.

On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...

This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic decision.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent. The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the ones listed and just deny them. You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite reasonable. Mark

Jason Ryan

3:43 a.m.

On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote:

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On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...
This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic decision.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.

The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the ones listed and just deny them.

You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite reasonable.

Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”. /J -- http://jasonwryan.com/ GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40

shoober420

3:49 a.m.

Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well. On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

...

On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote:

...
On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...
This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic decision.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.

The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the ones listed and just deny them.

You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite reasonable.

Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”.

/J

--

http://jasonwryan.com/ GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40

Mark Weiman

3:57 a.m.

On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:49 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...

Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

Please bottom post on these mailing lists as per the rules on the Wiki. You can argue all you want. The reason your requests were rejected is that the TU that handled your requests just simply did not see it fit to accept them. That's all the reason they need. You spamming requests of a similar nature just will not help. I also think that if your "humor" is what's causing issues here, you should refrain from it. Mark

Jason Ryan

3:58 a.m.

On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...

I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice. Trust me: we understand you well enough. /J -- http://jasonwryan.com/ GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40

Eric Waller

4:56 a.m.

On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote:

...

On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...
I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.

Trust me: we understand you well enough.

/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things out of the public view. In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more than one occasion against this individual that were not mere misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the forums having crossed several of the moderators. Eric Waller (ewaller)

shoober420

5:07 a.m.

Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of "sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago. I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing completely. I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents, because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found out it was me. If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it. On 11/3/18, Eric Waller via aur-general wrote:

...

On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote:

...
On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...
I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.

Trust me: we understand you well enough.

/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things out of the public view.

In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more than one occasion against this individual that were not mere misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the forums having crossed several of the moderators.

Eric Waller (ewaller)

Eric Waller

5:26 a.m.

On 11/3/18 9:07 PM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...

Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of "sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago.

I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing completely.

I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents, because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found out it was me.

If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it.

On 11/3/18, Eric Waller via aur-general wrote:

...
On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote:

...
On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...
I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.

Trust me: we understand you well enough.

/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things out of the public view.

In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more than one occasion against this individual that were not mere misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the forums having crossed several of the moderators.

Eric Waller (ewaller)

Allow me to point out that, after your original account was banned, you also choose attempt to circumvent the ban by, against the forum's standards, creating a new account which we also had to ban. Here I refer to https://bbs.archlinux.org/profile.php?id=107806 Note the github link in the signature. Also, please do not top post. Eric Waller

Eric Waller

5:31 a.m.

On 11/3/18 9:07 PM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...

Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of "sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago.

I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing completely.

I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents, because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found out it was me.

If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it.

On 11/3/18, Eric Waller via aur-general wrote:

...
On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote:

...
On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...
I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice.

Trust me: we understand you well enough.

/J

I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things out of the public view.

In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more than one occasion against this individual that were not mere misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the forums having crossed several of the moderators.

Eric Waller (ewaller)

I just realized the link in my last email was not public. It is a link to a user called TyranT. That user has a link in their signature: https://github.com/shoober420

Sorry about that. Eric

shoober420

6:19 a.m.

I'm not debating against those incidents, but pointing out that they should NOT be glamorized, and portray me as bad. They shouldn't foreshadow and undermine all the good I have done. What I'm saying here is that all my contribution heavily outweighs all these incidents, and some incidents being wrongly assumed because of my past as being a "help vampire". Towards the end, I did most definitely go to the wiki, google, and look at man pages and didn't find clear answers. Although because of my past, they were automatically viewed and labeled as "help vampiric" because of my ealier postings when I first started using Arch. A clear example, in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question. If you really want to try and belittle me for these incidents, instead of remember me for the good I have done, what does that say about you? I essentially paved the way for the "libudev0-shim" package, which was created by a Gentoo user who I was speaking with in that GitHub issue, that is now part of the Arch OFFICIAL repository. But you're going to sit here and and bring forth all these "bad" things I've done, and down right say things like I'm "persona non grata"? Whatever dude.

Ian Douglas Scott

7:43 a.m.

Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45)

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in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question.

I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not to accept the orphan request. Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago, the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you). I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person reviewing the request had no way of knowing that. Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned. The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason, but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned.

shoober420

8:55 a.m.

Alright, so lets compare the current sdl2 package in the official repos, to the one in the AUR. I did indeed try to contact the "sdl2-hg" maintainer over half a year ago, who also maintains the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package, with no response. I flagged "lib32-sdl2-hg" over half a year ago, and that package is also maintained by the same person who does "sdl2-hg". I'm not trying to sound disrespectful, but common sense tells you, that if you compared the two packages, the AUR one is seriously outdated. Also, taking into account the comment from "Teteros on 2018-10-14 16:41", further confirming how outdated it is, and the author continuing to not address or response, makes it even more clear why it was flagged outdated. I just figured common sense would have shown why it was flagged by me, especcially my comment along with it, stating I have a PKGBUILD ready for upload. On 11/4/18, Ian Douglas Scott wrote:

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Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45)

...
in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question.

I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not to accept the orphan request.

Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago, the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you).

I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person reviewing the request had no way of knowing that.

Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned.

The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason, but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned.

shoober420

9:02 a.m.

This also further shows why it was illogical to deny my request in the first place. There were so many signs as to why it was flagged, and further reasons to just give me maintainership. And STILL there is no reason why this maintainership was denied. On 11/4/18, shoober420 wrote:

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Alright, so lets compare the current sdl2 package in the official repos, to the one in the AUR. I did indeed try to contact the "sdl2-hg" maintainer over half a year ago, who also maintains the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package, with no response. I flagged "lib32-sdl2-hg" over half a year ago, and that package is also maintained by the same person who does "sdl2-hg".

I'm not trying to sound disrespectful, but common sense tells you, that if you compared the two packages, the AUR one is seriously outdated. Also, taking into account the comment from "Teteros on 2018-10-14 16:41", further confirming how outdated it is, and the author continuing to not address or response, makes it even more clear why it was flagged outdated. I just figured common sense would have shown why it was flagged by me, especcially my comment along with it, stating I have a PKGBUILD ready for upload.

On 11/4/18, Ian Douglas Scott wrote:

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Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45)

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in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question.

I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not to accept the orphan request.

Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago, the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you).

I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person reviewing the request had no way of knowing that.

Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned.

The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason, but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned.

shoober420

9:14 a.m.

There were so many ways, you could have went about this, that would have resolved this, instead of denying my request, and not giving a reason. If you would have discussed this with me, instead of just denying my request and suspending my account, you would have figured out I did actually try to contact him a long time ago. And as I said before, the comment from "Teteros on 2018-10-14 16:41", which is over two weeks ago, further proves that the package needed maintainership, and was outdated. I felt because of the comment from "Teteros", the fact I flagged the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package over half a year ago who is maintained by this same person who has gone missing, and just plain common sense by comparing the sdl2 package from the official repos, one would automaticlaly assume, "hey, this dude is right, it is outdated and he even has a PKGBUILD ready to upload". Seriously guys...

shoober420

4:03 a.m.

I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. Here’s a fine example. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863 This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of all the supposed bad things I’ve done. On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote:

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Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

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On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote:

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On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

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This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic decision.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.

The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the ones listed and just deny them.

You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite reasonable.

Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”.

/J

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shoober420

4:09 a.m.

That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_faul... Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and debug, or just moderate the forums? On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote:

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I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. Here’s a fine example.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863

This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of all the supposed bad things I’ve done.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote:

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Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

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On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote:

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On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

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This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic decision.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.

The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the ones listed and just deny them.

You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite reasonable.

Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”.

/J

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shoober420

4:13 a.m.

I did indeed try to contact the maintainer of sdl2-hg about half a year ago, and I also did comment in comment section that I do indeed have a PKGBUILD ready. I promise you I did this for "sdl2-hg". My fault for bottom posting, I was on my phone. On 11/3/18, shoober420 wrote:

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That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_faul...

Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and debug, or just moderate the forums?

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote:

...
I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. Here’s a fine example.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863

This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of all the supposed bad things I’ve done.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote:

...
Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

...
On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote:

...
On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...
This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic decision.

This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent.

The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the ones listed and just deny them.

You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite reasonable.

Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”.

/J

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Mark Weiman

4:18 a.m.

On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 23:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...

That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_faul...

Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and debug, or just moderate the forums?

He gives his time in different ways and it is valuable. Honestly, I don't care that you filed a bug for Steam and there's many people here who don't either. The argument that "because I do certain work, this gives me the right to put down other people since I think their work is less valuable" is just going to alienate you further. This would be like me telling you that because I contributed code straight to pacman itself makes me more valuable to the community than your silly little bug report. M

Mr.Elendig

10:56 a.m.

On 04/11/2018 04:09, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

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That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_faul...

Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and debug, or just moderate the forums?

On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote:

Something something <insert meme pic of irony here> stuff and things. If you believe you are so important to the arch community then I would suggest acting like it. You are, in my eyes anyway, coming across as someone who are much more *self* important than important to the community. Show your worth with actions, not with words.

Eli Schwartz

4:13 a.m.

On 11/3/18 11:03 PM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

...

I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. Here’s a fine example.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863

This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of all the supposed bad things I’ve done.

Luckily, since your bug report to ValveSoftware was more descriptive than "Yo there's an error my dude", people were able to deduce what you meant. I encourage you to be as descriptive when submitting orphan requests on the AUR... that way we won't have to reject them and give you a temporary suspension in the process. -- Eli Schwartz Bug Wrangler and Trusted User

Ian Douglas Scott

4:09 a.m.

Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 19:49:53)

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Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well.

I'm not a TU, but looking at the aur-requests archieves, "Yo I got this my dude." doesn't really explain why the package should be orphaned. You should probally mention that there's an issue with the package, and you have a better PKGBUILD. Based on the policies of the AUR, you are supposed to try to contact the package maintainer first. Given you commented and flagged the package out of date just a couple days ago, you should probably wait a while before filing an orphan request.

Robin Broda

4:14 a.m.

On 11/4/18 3:09 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

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This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension.

Consider me closing all your other open requests as the warning, and you opening a new request with an even worse comment as you - deliberately or not - overstaying your welcome in that regard. I'm not gonna revoke the suspension early, you'll have to sit that one out. On 11/4/18 4:03 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote:

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I love Arch, and do a lot for this community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of all the supposed bad things I’ve done.

- No matter how important you think you are. -- Rob (coderobe) O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org

Deon Spengler

1:14 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] ?==?utf-8?q? Account Suspended, No Reason Given

Hi shoober420, I am not a TU and I have only recently this week subscribed to this mailing list. When looking at a situation of conflict, I try to put my self in the view point of both parties involved. Let's try and objectively review what has transpired. The package was only flagged out-of-date on (2018-11-02) and you have submitted multiple orphan requests on the same day or shortly their after with no information pointing to you following the guide lines of "By submitting an orphan request, you ask a Trusted User to disown the package base. Please only do this if the package needs maintainer action, the maintainer is MIA and you already tried to contact the maintainer previously" I am not saying that you did not try but from the TU point of view that is reviewing your request this is not evident. Replying with 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL', was not appropriate as there was no reason for shouting. With regards to your humor, you state the following is humor, 'Yo I got this my dude.' However when the TU responds to you in the same type of humor 'come back with a better request, my dude', you see it as being disrespectful. My suggestion would be is maybe in the future try and refrain from this type of humor. Even if you feel that you are being attacked, attacking others very seldom helps to de-escalate a situation. Not saying that you cant debate your point of view but try and stay on point with original disagreement. To conclude, yes you could argue that he TU should have responded differently to you, but with that said the same could be said about your original request. Untimely I feel that the TU in this situation was right and I would have pretty much done the same. I feel at this point everything that needs to be said on this topic has been highlighted and there is no more benefit in going over points that has already been covered. Shoober420, I suggest take what has transpired as a learning exercise and wait for your 1 week ban to pass, it is not a long time to wait. None of us are perfect and there will also be something that we can learn. We are all here because we love Arch Linux and the Arch Linux community. Looking forward to interacting with you all. Best regards Deon

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