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Nathan O

5 Oct 2010 5 Oct '10

6:12 a.m.

Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like: echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk and so on. Thanks

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Ike Devolder

5 Oct 5 Oct

6:25 a.m.

2010/10/5 Nathan O

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks

Are'nt you generally better of with gentoo if you want this behaviour ? if not would it be nicer to ask the questions, "do you want gtk gui ? (y/n): _"

Gordon JC Pearce

6:30 a.m.

On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 01:12 -0500, Nathan O wrote:

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks

I thought that PKGBUILDs were not supposed to have any "interactive" component? Gordon MM0YEQ

Nathan O

6:33 a.m.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:

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On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 01:12 -0500, Nathan O wrote:

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks

I thought that PKGBUILDs were not supposed to have any "interactive" component?

Gordon MM0YEQ

I kind of figured that it might not be allowed, but I figured I would ask. Could there be a possibility of having something similar to USE flags for AUR?

Dieter Plaetinck

7:32 a.m.

On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:33:17 -0500 Nathan O wrote:

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Could there be a possibility of having something similar to USE flags for AUR?

We have something similar: copy the pkgbuild, change configure option. done. I also don't like the proposed interactiveness and checking the environment. Dieter

Allan McRae

6:32 a.m.

On 05/10/10 16:12, Nathan O wrote:

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

PKGBUILDs are not supposed to be interactive. Leave a comment in the PKGBUILD telling users to add/remove that flag to their needs. Allan

Sergej Pupykin

6:45 a.m.

On 05.10.2010 10:12, Nathan O wrote:

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks I suggest pacman calling to check if gtk2 package installed. If it is - ./configure --with-gtk.

Nathan O

6:47 a.m.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Sergej Pupykin wrote:

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On 05.10.2010 10:12, Nathan O wrote:

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks

I suggest pacman calling to check if gtk2 package installed. If it is - ./configure --with-gtk.

So I could maybe do something like: if [[ -f /usr/bin/gtk-config ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk ?

Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227)

6:50 a.m.

don't think i'd even do that, but just to nitpick, it'd be better written as: [[ -f /usr/bin/gtk-config ]] && COPTS="--with-gtk" then add $COPTS to your compile line. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Nathan O wrote:

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Sergej Pupykin wrote:

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On 05.10.2010 10:12, Nathan O wrote:

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks

I suggest pacman calling to check if gtk2 package installed. If it is - ./configure --with-gtk.

So I could maybe do something like: if [[ -f /usr/bin/gtk-config ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

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Magnus Therning

7:01 a.m.

On 05/10/10 07:50, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:

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don't think i'd even do that, but just to nitpick, it'd be better written as:

[[ -f /usr/bin/gtk-config ]] && COPTS="--with-gtk"

then add $COPTS to your compile line.

I think you should also make sure that gtk then becomes a dependency of the resulting package to prevent accidental removal of gtk. You also need to consider that doing this means that users would see different behaviour from what they believe is the same package. It could be confusing, and possibly complicate support and dealing with bugs. Personally I think it's a horrible idea to inspect the environment and make use of stuff that happens to be there. I don't like it when it's done in Makefiles and I think it's an even worse idea to do it in PKGBUILDs. That's just my opinion though. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe

Nathan O

7:03 a.m.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Magnus Therning wrote:

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On 05/10/10 07:50, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:

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don't think i'd even do that, but just to nitpick, it'd be better written as:

[[ -f /usr/bin/gtk-config ]] && COPTS="--with-gtk"

then add $COPTS to your compile line.

I think you should also make sure that gtk then becomes a dependency of the resulting package to prevent accidental removal of gtk.

You also need to consider that doing this means that users would see different behaviour from what they believe is the same package. It could be confusing, and possibly complicate support and dealing with bugs.

Personally I think it's a horrible idea to inspect the environment and make use of stuff that happens to be there. I don't like it when it's done in Makefiles and I think it's an even worse idea to do it in PKGBUILDs. That's just my opinion though.

/M

-- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe

Ok thanks for your input, I probably won't do it, though I wondered for future reference.

Heiko Baums

8 a.m.

Am Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:12:06 -0500 schrieb Nathan O :

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks

Build two packages or a split package as soon as AUR has support for them: package-cli package-gtk See e.g. avidemux-cli, avidemux-gtk and avidemux-qt or cdrdao and gcdmaster. Interactive PKGBUILDs or PKGBUILDs with "dynamic" dependencies are not recommended. Heiko

Ng Oon-Ee

8:37 a.m.

On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 10:00 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:

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Am Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:12:06 -0500 schrieb Nathan O :

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Probably not allowed to do so, but I figured I would ask. In a PKGBUILD can we do something like:

echo "Do you want to enable GTK support?" read gtk

if [[ "gtk" == "yes" ]]; then ./configure --with-gtk

and so on.

Thanks

Build two packages or a split package as soon as AUR has support for them: package-cli package-gtk

See e.g. avidemux-cli, avidemux-gtk and avidemux-qt or cdrdao and gcdmaster.

Interactive PKGBUILDs or PKGBUILDs with "dynamic" dependencies are not recommended.

Heiko

Best suggestion so far =)

Xyne

5:34 p.m.

Magnus Therning wrote:

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I think you should also make sure that gtk then becomes a dependency of the resulting package to prevent accidental removal of gtk.

Ng Oon-Ee wrote:

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On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 10:00 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:

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Build two packages or a split package as soon as AUR has support for them: package-cli package-gtk

See e.g. avidemux-cli, avidemux-gtk and avidemux-qt or cdrdao and gcdmaster.

Interactive PKGBUILDs or PKGBUILDs with "dynamic" dependencies are not recommended.

Heiko

Best suggestion so far =)

I agree with the quoted comments. The PKGBUILD is not meant to be interactive and modifying dependencies based on such interaction would be a nasty kludge. Two different packages (or a single split package once AUR finally supports it) is the way to go. Unless, of course, you plan to include an animated paperclip that asks questions such as "I see that you have GTK installed. Would you like to enable a graphical user interface?" and "I see that your master boot record contains valid data. Would you like to overwrite it with data that will make your system unbootable?".

Dieter Plaetinck

8:23 p.m.

On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:34:53 +0200 Xyne wrote:

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Unless, of course, you plan to include an animated paperclip that asks questions such as "I see that you have GTK installed. Would you like to enable a graphical user interface?" and "I see that your master boot record contains valid data. Would you like to overwrite it with data that will make your system unbootable?".

Now somebody with graphical skills just has to make an image of "Archey, your little arch assistant" Dieter

Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227)

8:52 p.m.

http://ompldr.org/vNXFoNg On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:34:53 +0200 Xyne wrote:

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Unless, of course, you plan to include an animated paperclip that asks questions such as "I see that you have GTK installed. Would you like to enable a graphical user interface?" and "I see that your master boot record contains valid data. Would you like to overwrite it with data that will make your system unbootable?".

Now somebody with graphical skills just has to make an image of "Archey, your little arch assistant"

Dieter

Heiko Baums

9:30 p.m.

Am Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:52:27 -0500 schrieb "Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227)" :

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http://ompldr.org/vNXFoNg

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:34:53 +0200 Xyne wrote:

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Unless, of course, you plan to include an animated paperclip that asks questions such as "I see that you have GTK installed. Would you like to enable a graphical user interface?" and "I see that your master boot record contains valid data. Would you like to overwrite it with data that will make your system unbootable?".

Now somebody with graphical skills just has to make an image of "Archey, your little arch assistant"

Dieter

In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Heiko

Magnus Therning

6 Oct 6 Oct

10:52 a.m.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 21:52, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:

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http://ompldr.org/vNXFoNg

Fricking brilliant! I wouldn't want a paper-clip-like Archey, but I would love to see my notifications presented by Archey instead of them just popping up like they currently do. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe

Xyne

12:40 p.m.

Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:

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http://ompldr.org/vNXFoNg

Ha, nice! New dialogue idea: "Oops, it looks like you're about to top-post..." :P

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:34:53 +0200 Xyne wrote:

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Unless, of course, you plan to include an animated paperclip that asks questions such as "I see that you have GTK installed. Would you like to enable a graphical user interface?" and "I see that your master boot record contains valid data. Would you like to overwrite it with data that will make your system unbootable?".

Now somebody with graphical skills just has to make an image of "Archey, your little arch assistant"

Dieter

member kittykatt

1:54 p.m.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Xyne wrote:

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Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:

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http://ompldr.org/vNXFoNg

Ha, nice!

New dialogue idea:

"Oops, it looks like you're about to top-post..." :P

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Dieter Plaetinck
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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:34:53 +0200 Xyne wrote:

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Unless, of course, you plan to include an animated paperclip that

asks

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questions such as "I see that you have GTK installed. Would you like to enable a graphical user interface?" and "I see that your master boot record contains valid data. Would you like to overwrite it with data that will make your system unbootable?".

Now somebody with graphical skills just has to make an image of "Archey, your little arch assistant"

Dieter

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=836674#p836674 *facepalms*

Peter Lewis

2 p.m.

On Wednesday 06 October 2010 at 13:40 Xyne wrote:

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Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:

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http://ompldr.org/vNXFoNg

Ha, nice!

this thread is awesome.

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New dialogue idea:

"Oops, it looks like you're about to top-post..." :P

Oops, it looks like you've only done 75 minutes of research on this problem and are already posting to the mailing list. Would you like to: a) Go through GMane one more time b) Revive old threads on the bbs c) Post anyway and risk wrath :-D

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