Hi, I thought about applying as a TU for some time now, I think the selection of packages provided by Arch is already great but there is always space for additional quality software in community and I hope to help with that.
Here's a little background about myself: I'm a 27yr old italian guy, working as a embedded developer in a broadband company.
I started to use linux with Corel Linux, then I passed to Mandrake, but I hate the RPM packaging system so I switched to Debian, mainly for its stability. In 2006 I became a Gentoo Developer [1] (Member of net-im, ppc and voip herds), Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/BSD and Gentoo/FreeBSD deputy lead for 2 years. I'm using ArchLinux since 2009 and I think it's the better distribution out there.
Like I said, I am a developer at heart and I released some opensource applications [2] and I helper with several project, as you can see in my ohloh profile [3].
I am a confident developer who loves the C language, but I also use SH scripting (both POSIX and Bash) and other languages.
I selected an initial list of AUR PKGBUILDs I plan to move to community:
- netselect - httrack - httperf
You can see on the AUR [4] that I maintain already a pretty long list of PKGBUILDs including the popular sshpass and ragel.
Andrea Scarpino is sponsoring my application as a trusted user.
If you have any question, just ask.
Thanks!
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/149111?id=149111 [2] https://github.com/drizztbsd/ [3] https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/drizzt [4] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=tredaelli
On 28 November 2011 13:30, Timothy Redaelli timothy.redaelli@gmail.com wrote:
Andrea Scarpino is sponsoring my application as a trusted user.
I'm glad to sponsor you Timothy, I know that you're serious and really motivated.
Let the discussion period begin!
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Andrea Scarpino andrea@archlinux.org wrote:
On 28 November 2011 13:30, Timothy Redaelli timothy.redaelli@gmail.com wrote:
Andrea Scarpino is sponsoring my application as a trusted user.
I'm glad to sponsor you Timothy, I know that you're serious and really motivated.
Let the discussion period begin!
-- Andrea
I see you liked my TU application a lot, since this is pretty much a copy-paste...
On 28 November 2011 13:59, Massimiliano Torromeo massimiliano.torromeo@gmail.com wrote:
I see you liked my TU application a lot, since this is pretty much a copy-paste...
Applications are BSD-licensed, next time you should specific a different license.
Seriously, I don't get your point here. I guess any user can use the past applications thread as "template". Obviously, if the contents are the same, well, this is a different story then.
On 28 November 2011 13:59, Massimiliano Torromeo massimiliano.torromeo@gmail.com wrote:
I see you liked my TU application a lot, since this is pretty much a copy-paste...
I'm sorry Massimiliano, I just read your application and...well...is pretty much a copy-paste.
I know Timothy is really motivated, so I hope that he can explain the whole story.
[2011-11-28 14:20:13 +0100] Andrea Scarpino:
I'm sorry Massimiliano, I just read your application and...well...is pretty much a copy-paste.
I know Timothy is really motivated, so I hope that he can explain the whole story.
Where I come from, plagiarism is a serious offense. It seems to my non-TU eyes that writing an original application is the least Timothy could do...
Where I come from, plagiarism is a serious offense. It seems to my non-TU eyes that writing an original application is the least Timothy could do...
Seems to me that where you come from the people has too much free time. I'm starting to be sick about this thing of plagiarism. If something has been done fine once why to reinvent the wheel. It is better to invest one's time in doing something useful. Maybe the only thing that was done wrong in this case was not to add the correct citation to the original source. Hector
[2011-11-29 14:12:31 +0200] Hector Martinez-Seara:
I'm starting to be sick about this thing of plagiarism.
So you see nothing wrong with passing somebody else's sentences (hell, paragraphs even!) as your own? That's disturbing, to say the least.
If something has been done fine once why to reinvent the wheel.
What purpose do you think an application serves when you only have to fill in the blanks?
Maybe the only thing that was done wrong in this case was not to add the correct citation to the original source.
... or just fail to mention that there was a "source" at all - that's precisely what plagiarism is; thanks for making my point.
On 11/29/2011 02:12 PM, Hector Martinez-Seara wrote:
Where I come from, plagiarism is a serious offense. It seems to my non-TU eyes that writing an original application is the least Timothy could do...
Seems to me that where you come from the people has too much free time. I'm starting to be sick about this thing of plagiarism. If something has been done fine once why to reinvent the wheel. It is better to invest one's time in doing something useful. Maybe the only thing that was done wrong in this case was not to add the correct citation to the original source. Hector
I think you guys are overreacting.
I can speak about myself, is hard for me to express in words even in native language, I'm not good a writing stuff and to be fair, I always ask native English speakers to fix my news entries before posting them.
There are good engineers that suck, really suck and writing, maybe is his case as well, but please stop telling him bad words.
We are friendly, let it be this way.
While I agree that there may exist great engineers that are not good at writing, communicating with other Archers is a central part of being a TU. Also, I've read at least one book that claims that the ability to write a text and to write a program is connected. ("Coders at Work", is one).
I have a friend that is dyslectic, and I have seen how much pressure and anguish having to write even the simplests of text evokes in her, combined with the fear of being judged. If this is the case, maximum slack should be given.
I don't think "no typos and perfect grammar" is a requirement in any way for becoming a TU, but I do think that an honest and original application should be one.
A "no typo" requirement wulod hvae rueld me out.
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Hi, I'm sorry that I took too much inspiration from the presentation of Massimilano. It was not my intention to disrespect anyone. I've never been good at describing myself and I was looking for a starting point, but I think I overdid it. I hope I can prove worthy of trust, despite this incident.
- -- Timothy Redaelli drizztbsd @ irc.freenode.net
On 30 November 2011 03:47, Timothy Redaelli timothy.redaelli@gmail.comwrote:
Hi, I'm sorry that I took too much inspiration from the presentation of Massimilano. It was not my intention to disrespect anyone. I've never been good at describing myself and I was looking for a starting point, but I think I overdid it. I hope I can prove worthy of trust, despite this incident.
Your English is perfect (you may have asked someone for help here but that's out of the point).
I took a look at both applications, and it is evident that the older one has been used as a template here. A template, nothing less, nothing more. Keep in mind that both of these applicants are from the same community (I presume), so one may think it's alright to do a little copying from the person before him.
I believe there is no harm, because unique information has been appropriately inserted as and where needed.
2011/11/29 Hector Martinez-Seara hseara@gmail.com:
Where I come from, plagiarism is a serious offense. It seems to my non-TU eyes that writing an original application is the least Timothy could do...
Seems to me that where you come from the people has too much free time. I'm starting to be sick about this thing of plagiarism. If something has been done fine once why to reinvent the wheel. It is better to invest one's time in doing something useful. Maybe the only thing that was done wrong in this case was not to add the correct citation to the original source. Hector
-- Hector Martínez-Seara Monné mail: hseara@gmail.com Tel: +34656271145 Tel: +358442709253
Ok I don't have time to write this mail, but I have to do it.
Gaetan:
Timothy admited he used the Massimiliano's application e-mail for template, that's it, AFAIK i didn't knew (and though he didn't knew either) it was mandatory to write the application from scratch, it's a plus, but it's not mandatory for me. Looking at the work that Timothy have done over the years on OSS world it's impressive and enough for me to consider him a good candidate.
This of course will be a lesson for the next applicant I hope, so let's pass that issue, and get focus on the information inside the application based on Massimiliano's one.
Hector:
1) Please low down your tone, your replies (yes, not only this mail) to this list seems to me arrogant, and non-constructive, you can express the same idea with different words. 2) And btw off-topic. That though about "not reinveint the wheel" is the most conformist thing that i've heard over the years, thanks God not everybody thinks like that, or we will be using one software for one need instead to have options, flavours and fun of learning in the process of the reinvent, and being a master in the process of improve that old wheel. (yes, nobody is using the first wheel invented, everybody actually uses improved versions, 'reinvented')
Finally Timothy,
Your application even if you didn't wrote the basic template, looks goods to me, your replies seems you are a motivated person, and you're not new in the OSS world, so you can contribute a lot giving thoughts or experiences that you had. But you have to be more communicative, I personally didn't knew about you neither on IRC, forums, bugtracker, this mailing list or whatsoever, so, if you finally pass you have to know that eventually you will have to communicate with the rest of the community, i hope this won't be a problem for you.
That said, good luck with your application, (in bocca al lupo).
As a non-TU, I think it is important to see what can people really do for the Arch community and not to accuse them of plagiarism right at the start of their journey.
On 29.11.2011 13:45, matej.lach@gmail.com wrote:
As a non-TU, I think it is important to see what can people really do for the Arch community and not to accuse them of plagiarism right at the start of their journey.
IMHO the journey starts before you apply.
PS: Please wrap your lines and don't top post.
On 28.11.2011 13:59, Massimiliano Torromeo wrote:
I see you liked my TU application a lot, since this is pretty much a copy-paste...
I hope that being an italian guy isn't prohibited. ;)
2011/11/28 Bartłomiej Piotrowski barthalion@gmail.com:
On 28.11.2011 13:59, Massimiliano Torromeo wrote:
I see you liked my TU application a lot, since this is pretty much a copy-paste...
I hope that being an italian guy isn't prohibited. ;)
-- Bartłomiej Piotrowski Arch Linux Trusted User
I just want to make it clear that I don't have any problem with my application being copied. For what I care it can be templated and become the official model for all next applications. At least he can recognize a good application when he sees one :)
Still, I think that how you present yourself also matters and that's why I had to point this out.
Anyway your technical expertise and motivation should be what weights the most, and that's how I'm going to judge this application.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Timothy Redaelli timothy.redaelli@gmail.com wrote:
I selected an initial list of AUR PKGBUILDs I plan to move to community:
- netselect
- httrack
- httperf
httperf is one of "my" AUR package, I plan to move it to community this night. If you want to become maintainer after your promotion, no problem.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:30:39PM +0100, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
Hi, I thought about applying as a TU for some time now, I think the selection of packages provided by Arch is already great but there is always space for additional quality software in community and I hope to help with that.
Here's a little background about myself: I'm a 27yr old italian guy, working as a embedded developer in a broadband company.
I started to use linux with Corel Linux, then I passed to Mandrake, but I hate the RPM packaging system so I switched to Debian, mainly for its stability. In 2006 I became a Gentoo Developer [1] (Member of net-im, ppc and voip herds), Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/BSD and Gentoo/FreeBSD deputy lead for 2 years. I'm using ArchLinux since 2009 and I think it's the better distribution out there.
Like I said, I am a developer at heart and I released some opensource applications [2] and I helper with several project, as you can see in my ohloh profile [3].
I am a confident developer who loves the C language, but I also use SH scripting (both POSIX and Bash) and other languages.
I selected an initial list of AUR PKGBUILDs I plan to move to community:
- netselect
- httrack
- httperf
You can see on the AUR [4] that I maintain already a pretty long list of PKGBUILDs including the popular sshpass and ragel.
Andrea Scarpino is sponsoring my application as a trusted user.
If you have any question, just ask.
Thanks!
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/149111?id=149111 [2] https://github.com/drizztbsd/ [3] https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/drizzt [4] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=tredaelli
Hi,
Thanks for your app. Why did you call out only 3 packages, 2 of which aren't yours? Why not bring in your more popular apps? Unless I'm mistaken, I see no reason that you couldn't bring in:
sshpass libp11 ragel sub2srt
Regards, Dave
Am 28.11.2011 13:30, schrieb Timothy Redaelli:
Hi, I thought about applying as a TU for some time now, I think the selection of packages provided by Arch is already great but there is always space for additional quality software in community and I hope to help with that.
Here's a little background about myself: I'm a 27yr old italian guy, working as a embedded developer in a broadband company.
You should really sign your application email using your PGP key.
Hi, I'm resending the TU application signed with GPG and with some corrections.
Here's a little background about myself: I'm a 27 years old italian guy. I'm mainly working as a linux embedded developer in a broadband company and sometimes I work as a system administrator.
I started to use linux with Corel Linux, then I passed to Mandrake, but I hate the RPM packaging system so I switched to Debian, mainly for its stability. In 2006 I became a Gentoo Developer [1] (Member of net-im, ppc and voip herds), Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/BSD and Gentoo/FreeBSD deputy lead for 2 years. I'm using ArchLinux since 2009 and I think it's the better distribution out there.
Like I said, I am a developer and I released some opensource applications [2] and I helped with several project, as you can see in my ohloh profile [3].
I am a professional C developer (both in userspace and kernel space), but I also use SH scripting (both POSIX and Bash) and other languages.
I selected a list of AUR PKGBUILDs I plan to move to community:
- sshpass - libp11 - ragel - sub2srt - netselect - httrack
You can see on the AUR [4] that I maintain already a pretty long list of PKGBUILDs including the popular sshpass and ragel.
Andrea Scarpino is sponsoring my application as a trusted user.
If you have any other question, please ask.
Thanks!
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/149111?id=149111 [2] https://github.com/drizztbsd/ [3] https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/drizzt [4] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=tredaelli
Hi,
Thanks for applying.
Two hard questions (at least they are meant to be hard to answer) ;) - What in particular do you hate about the rpm packaging system, in comparison to the package systems for Debian and Arch Linux? - What is the advantage of a developer being confident?
In data lunedì 28 novembre 2011 23:49:29, Alexander Rødseth ha scritto:
Hi,
Thanks for applying.
Two hard questions (at least they are meant to be hard to answer) ;)
- What in particular do you hate about the rpm packaging system, in
comparison to the package systems for Debian and Arch Linux?
When I tried Mandrake 8.2, rpm had a bad dependence management, deb was much better, then when I tried Fedora Core 3 I had many problems with yum (mainly slowness). I didn't tried an rpm-based distro since Fedora Core 3 so I don't know how rpm and its tools work nowadays.
Instead I never had any problems with debian and its packaging system.
Pacman is the best and faster packaging system I ever tried. Emerge (Gentoo) is a good packaging system, but its binaries support it's not very good and it's getting slower and slower, in fact I was using paludis (an alternative package manager for Gentoo) in my last year of Gentoo Developer.
- What is the advantage of a developer being confident?
Sorry. I didn't mean to sound arrogant. I want to collaborate to ArchLinux, because I love that distro and the community around it and I think I could help and surely I'll learn something new.
Thanks for your time and this wonderful opportunity.
Hi,
Thanks for the answers. I've had similar problems with rpm. :)
I don't think you sound arrogant, but honest and inspired in your pursuit of supporting Arch Linux.
On 28/11/11 18:08, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
Hi, I'm resending the TU application signed with GPG and with some corrections.
Here's a little background about myself: I'm a 27 years old italian guy. I'm mainly working as a linux embedded developer in a broadband company and sometimes I work as a system administrator.
I started to use linux with Corel Linux, then I passed to Mandrake, but I hate the RPM packaging system so I switched to Debian, mainly for its stability. In 2006 I became a Gentoo Developer [1] (Member of net-im, ppc and voip herds), Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/BSD and Gentoo/FreeBSD deputy lead for 2 years. I'm using ArchLinux since 2009 and I think it's the better distribution out there.
Like I said, I am a developer and I released some opensource applications [2] and I helped with several project, as you can see in my ohloh profile [3].
I am a professional C developer (both in userspace and kernel space), but I also use SH scripting (both POSIX and Bash) and other languages.
I selected a list of AUR PKGBUILDs I plan to move to community:
- sshpass
- libp11
- ragel
- sub2srt
- netselect
- httrack
You can see on the AUR [4] that I maintain already a pretty long list of PKGBUILDs including the popular sshpass and ragel.
Andrea Scarpino is sponsoring my application as a trusted user.
If you have any other question, please ask.
Thanks!
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/149111?id=149111 [2] https://github.com/drizztbsd/ [3] https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/drizzt [4] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=tredaelli
Hi,
Thanks for your application, what kind of group packages are you interested in maintaining? (network,Gnome,software development, etc.)
And do you want to maintain any current orphans in [community]?
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On 11/29/2011 10:13 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: [cut]
Hi,
Thanks for your application, what kind of group packages are you interested in maintaining? (network,Gnome,software development, etc.)
Mainly network and software development.
And do you want to maintain any current orphans in [community]?
There are some packages I'd like to maintain, such as: - - dar - - driftnet - - libaio - - xdg-user-dirs
- -- Timothy Redaelli drizztbsd @ irc.freenode.net
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