[aur-general] TU Application
Hi! My name is JD Horelick and i'd like to become a TU. I'm 23 and working as a sysadmin for a decent-sized company (linux and windows stuff). I first started with ArchLinux in early 2007 (if i had to guess) and ever since then, i've loved it. I think pacman is quite possibly the greatest package manager i've used and i think the PKGBUILD package format is quite nice. I haven't done a crazy amount of development on Arch, but i've been using linux since 1999 and i was a Debian Developer for ~3 years (where i maintained 10-15 packages). As a TU I will offer my knowledge, skills and time to improve my favourite distribution and it's packages. Some of my specific goals as a TU are: * Work on expanding the community repo (for example, clutter is in community, but clutter-gtk, clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk are still in AUR :( ). * Make sure packages in AUR/community are working. For example, i tried to build dpkg (i think...It's late) from aur a bit ago and the URL changed, if i was a TU (and i will probably do this tomorrow anyway), i would email the guy and say like: "Hey, please fix the 404 on your package or i'm going to take it over". * My goal is to upload, fix or update a minimum of 1 package a day. In my free time I like...wait...I have free time? ahh...but seriously, in my free time...Well...I'm a atypical computer geek...I like watching me some movies/TV, playing video games...goin out and doing some parkour...having fun. Oh, and tacos...Tacos FTW! The final thing, Allan was so kind as to sponsor my application and here is the list of packages i have uploaded to the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore Let's start up the inquisition :P Any questions and suggestions will be answered as quickly as possible (I'm usually around from 1PM EST to 5AM EST daily). Thank you all very much. I very much hope to become part of the Arch team. Sincerely, JD In case my AUR link gets buried/is hard to see: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore
Replying to myself is weird :) ... I forgot to mention (as you can see, past my bedtime :P). I'm jdhore on the forums too and i spider them quite regularly, but i will try to help out more. Also, i'm going to try to be in the IRC more too. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi! My name is JD Horelick and i'd like to become a TU. I'm 23 and working as a sysadmin for a decent-sized company (linux and windows stuff).
I first started with ArchLinux in early 2007 (if i had to guess) and ever since then, i've loved it. I think pacman is quite possibly the greatest package manager i've used and i think the PKGBUILD package format is quite nice. I haven't done a crazy amount of development on Arch, but i've been using linux since 1999 and i was a Debian Developer for ~3 years (where i maintained 10-15 packages).
As a TU I will offer my knowledge, skills and time to improve my favourite distribution and it's packages. Some of my specific goals as a TU are:
* Work on expanding the community repo (for example, clutter is in community, but clutter-gtk, clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk are still in AUR :( ). * Make sure packages in AUR/community are working. For example, i tried to build dpkg (i think...It's late) from aur a bit ago and the URL changed, if i was a TU (and i will probably do this tomorrow anyway), i would email the guy and say like: "Hey, please fix the 404 on your package or i'm going to take it over". * My goal is to upload, fix or update a minimum of 1 package a day.
In my free time I like...wait...I have free time? ahh...but seriously, in my free time...Well...I'm a atypical computer geek...I like watching me some movies/TV, playing video games...goin out and doing some parkour...having fun. Oh, and tacos...Tacos FTW!
The final thing, Allan was so kind as to sponsor my application and here is the list of packages i have uploaded to the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore Let's start up the inquisition :P Any questions and suggestions will be answered as quickly as possible (I'm usually around from 1PM EST to 5AM EST daily).
Thank you all very much. I very much hope to become part of the Arch team. Sincerely, JD
In case my AUR link gets buried/is hard to see: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore
Jeff Horelick wrote:
Hi! My name is JD Horelick and
<snip> And here is my sponsor message.... JD does not have many packages in the AUR but as you will have read in his introduction has experience in packaging for other distros including being a dev for Debian for a while. The packages he does have look fine apart from a few unnecessary dependencies which he is going to fix up. I don't think he realized it, but the dpkg url stuff up he mentioned in his intro was mine! But I will still sponsor him... :D Let the discussion begin, Allan
Hey JD and the gang; One comment inserted below.
Hi! My name is JD Horelick and i'd like to become a TU. I'm 23 and working as a sysadmin for a decent-sized company (linux and windows stuff).
I first started with ArchLinux in early 2007 (if i had to guess) and ever since then, i've loved it. I think pacman is quite possibly the greatest package manager i've used and i think the PKGBUILD package format is quite nice. I haven't done a crazy amount of development on Arch, but i've been using linux since 1999 and i was a Debian Developer for ~3 years (where i maintained 10-15 packages).
As a TU I will offer my knowledge, skills and time to improve my favourite distribution and it's packages. Some of my specific goals as a TU are:
* Work on expanding the community repo (for example, clutter is in community, but clutter-gtk, clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk are still in AUR :( ). * Make sure packages in AUR/community are working. For example, i tried to build dpkg (i think...It's late) from aur a bit ago and the URL changed, if i was a TU (and i will probably do this tomorrow anyway), i would email the guy and say like: "Hey, please fix the 404 on your package or i'm going to take it over".
How about something more like: "I just found out the URL is no longer active in the <xyz> package." , and then be polite by waiting until you hear back from the other TU. The "..or I'm going to take it over. " sounds WAY too confrontational to me. If it was MY PKGBUILD I would want a nice response and not one such as you presented here. More to the point; We have had such confrontational TUs in the past, and they seem to fade away after awhile. Too often it was after leaving a wake of damage. And no one seems happy about things when that happens. In the mean time my email inbox is cluttered with back and forth emails concerning trivial matters. I am *sure* you will try not to do ANY if that, but perhaps the best way to avoid being a problem is to ONLY commit to trying to do your best job and not promise anything else. As important or MORE important to having a good time as a TU is trying to get along peacefully with the rest of us. FIRST AND FOREMOST being a TU should be fun for you and the other TUs. Well, this is the most I have said in a while. THANKS for reading this far. Very best regards; Bob Finch
* My goal is to upload, fix or update a minimum of 1 package a day.
In my free time I like...wait...I have free time? ahh...but seriously, in my free time...Well...I'm a atypical computer geek...I like watching me some movies/TV, playing video games...goin out and doing some parkour...having fun. Oh, and tacos...Tacos FTW!
The final thing, Allan was so kind as to sponsor my application and here is the list of packages i have uploaded to the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore Let's start up the inquisition :P Any questions and suggestions will be answered as quickly as possible (I'm usually around from 1PM EST to 5AM EST daily).
Thank you all very much. I very much hope to become part of the Arch team. Sincerely, JD
In case my AUR link gets buried/is hard to see: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi! My name is JD Horelick and i'd like to become a TU. I'm 23 and working as a sysadmin for a decent-sized company (linux and windows stuff). Hi, nice too meet you
I first started with ArchLinux in early 2007 (if i had to guess) and ever since then, i've loved it. I think pacman is quite possibly the greatest package manager i've used and i think the PKGBUILD package format is quite nice. I haven't done a crazy amount of development on Arch, but i've been using linux since 1999 and i was a Debian Developer for ~3 years (where i maintained 10-15 packages).
Good i think the same about pacman and PKGBUILD package format. According to google you on some ubuntuforums i got this (March 2008): * http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2299 * http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734533 Plus do you have a link or something that certifies that you was a Debian Developer?, just for *curiosity*?
As a TU I will offer my knowledge, skills and time to improve my favourite distribution and it's packages. Some of my specific goals as a TU are:
* Work on expanding the community repo (for example, clutter is in community, but clutter-gtk, clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk are still in AUR :( ). * Make sure packages in AUR/community are working. For example, i tried to build dpkg (i think...It's late) from aur a bit ago and the URL changed, if i was a TU (and i will probably do this tomorrow anyway), i would email the guy and say like: "Hey, please fix the 404 on your package or i'm going to take it over".
As bfinch said, you can't go with this attitude; usually TU's are loved by the Arch Linux Community heh (just kidding), but we have to try to be kind people, "i'm going to take it over isn't good".
* My goal is to upload, fix or update a minimum of 1 package a day.
Good, but you can still doing this by AUR(upload /update / fix packages), Flyspray (report bugs on other packages) :)
In my free time I like...wait...I have free time? ahh...but seriously, in my free time...Well...I'm a atypical computer geek...I like watching me some movies/TV, playing video games...goin out and doing some parkour...having fun. Oh, and tacos...Tacos FTW!
Who doesn't! :)
The final thing, Allan was so kind as to sponsor my application and here is the list of packages i have uploaded to the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore Let's start up the inquisition :P Any questions and suggestions will be answered as quickly as possible (I'm usually around from 1PM EST to 5AM EST daily).
Well i trust Allan very much, if he decides that you are be ready to be a TU i will trust on him :), but i am just *curious*.
Thank you all very much. I very much hope to become part of the Arch team. Sincerely, JD
Thank you for your interest to help Arch Linux Project :).
In case my AUR link gets buried/is hard to see: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore
I reviewed your packages (and i have to say that if you goal is to upload a package daily you should start now..) but what about x86_64? have you x86_64 machines? is good to know about how build machines do you have and if you will build on other architectures. Hoping your answer.. Angel -- angvp @ irc.freenode.net Linux Counter: #359909 Arch Linux Trusted User
2008/7/27 Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com>:
Hi! My name is JD Horelick and i'd like to become a TU. I'm 23 and working as a sysadmin for a decent-sized company (linux and windows stuff).
Hi
I first started with ArchLinux in early 2007 (if i had to guess) and ever since then, i've loved it. I think pacman is quite possibly the greatest package manager i've used and i think the PKGBUILD package format is quite nice. I haven't done a crazy amount of development on Arch, but i've been using linux since 1999 and i was a Debian Developer for ~3 years (where i maintained 10-15 packages).
As a TU I will offer my knowledge, skills and time to improve my favourite distribution and it's packages. Some of my specific goals as a TU are:
* Work on expanding the community repo (for example, clutter is in community, but clutter-gtk, clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk are still in AUR :( ). This is good, but remember licensing issue when you will port packages from AUR to community ( it isn't the case of clutter, but you know
I don't love Debian and Debian-like distros, but I try to be impartial :) this for sure, seeing your past job at Debian :P )
* Make sure packages in AUR/community are working. For example, i tried to build dpkg (i think...It's late) from aur a bit ago and the URL changed, if i was a TU (and i will probably do this tomorrow anyway), i would email the guy and say like: "Hey, please fix the 404 on your package or i'm going to take it over". I'm with Bob here. This isn't the right approach.
* My goal is to upload, fix or update a minimum of 1 package a day. Uhm.. in this place anyone wants blood of others, so don't promise the moon. And remember that at most of TUs is annoying see that their packages was modified by others. For improving of PKGBUILD there are comments and, for most important thing, the bugtracker; but this could be done without be a TU.
The final thing, Allan was so kind as to sponsor my application and here is the list of packages i have uploaded to the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore
It seems that you know the packaging guidelines :) Some personal things. I see the thread linked by angvp, and I think Arch isn't for you, if you really search in a distro what you write in that posts. Anyway, good luck in this votation, but someone needs to convince me to vote yes :)
Let's see how i can do this: @everyone: I was a bit harsh on my original "taking over packages" message and i agree that my original "message" would be the wrong approach. If i did send out a message like this...Well...I'd first refine my "template", but i'd also give probably a 1 month time period for a response. Here's my revised takeover message (for now): "Hello $uploader-name, i noticed that $package that you maintain in the AUR is out-of-date and doesn't work because of $error. Please fix your package or let me know that you're not going to at all so it can be taken over." I didn't mean to sound overly confrontational. :( @Allan - The package that failed on me was debootstrap so you're off the hook. :P @Angel (part1): Sorry, i don't have any documentation that qualifies me as a Debian Developer. I've been inactive for ~3-4 years now and every package i maintained has been taken over. @Angel (Part 2): I prefer i686, but i do have 3 x86_64 boxes that i can use to build packages if needed (Just have to install Arch on them). @DaNiMo & @Angel - I'll be honest, Arch just has that feeling that i can't use it as a primary desktop distro and i don't know why, but i'm trying to figure it out (and fix either me or the problem i have with Arch). Until that time though, i do run Arch on almost every box in my house besides my main desktop, my MythTV box and my server. @DaNiMo - hehe...I completely remember licensing issues and i was actually on the fence about uploading Charybdis because it uses OpenSSL (going to gnutls in their new release) and i remember all the OpenSSL licensing issues from my time with Debian. @DaNiMo/All - As i mentioned, my goal is 1 package a day. I can't guarantee that i will do 1 a day, every day, but i will try. As for being a TU...The biggest thing is to move packages that i find interesting/useful to community, be able to assist other AUR/Arch users better and be able to maintain packages that are unmaintained, but not orphaned. I hope this answers all of your questions/comments and i'll be around for a while to answer even more :) Thanks JD
I also forgot to mention this (writing long emails is hard :P ); I'm currently working on a disto called DebianX (Debian as the base and the name was suggested by my co-developers, not myself) and in said distro where we currently only have 20 users (we haven't gotten even an official release out yet or our website up), i am the maintainer of all of GNOME, Firefox/XULRunner, and whatever else i want to maintain. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's see how i can do this:
@everyone: I was a bit harsh on my original "taking over packages" message and i agree that my original "message" would be the wrong approach. If i did send out a message like this...Well...I'd first refine my "template", but i'd also give probably a 1 month time period for a response. Here's my revised takeover message (for now): "Hello $uploader-name, i noticed that $package that you maintain in the AUR is out-of-date and doesn't work because of $error. Please fix your package or let me know that you're not going to at all so it can be taken over."
I didn't mean to sound overly confrontational. :(
@Allan - The package that failed on me was debootstrap so you're off the hook. :P
@Angel (part1): Sorry, i don't have any documentation that qualifies me as a Debian Developer. I've been inactive for ~3-4 years now and every package i maintained has been taken over.
@Angel (Part 2): I prefer i686, but i do have 3 x86_64 boxes that i can use to build packages if needed (Just have to install Arch on them).
@DaNiMo & @Angel - I'll be honest, Arch just has that feeling that i can't use it as a primary desktop distro and i don't know why, but i'm trying to figure it out (and fix either me or the problem i have with Arch). Until that time though, i do run Arch on almost every box in my house besides my main desktop, my MythTV box and my server.
@DaNiMo - hehe...I completely remember licensing issues and i was actually on the fence about uploading Charybdis because it uses OpenSSL (going to gnutls in their new release) and i remember all the OpenSSL licensing issues from my time with Debian.
@DaNiMo/All - As i mentioned, my goal is 1 package a day. I can't guarantee that i will do 1 a day, every day, but i will try. As for being a TU...The biggest thing is to move packages that i find interesting/useful to community, be able to assist other AUR/Arch users better and be able to maintain packages that are unmaintained, but not orphaned.
I hope this answers all of your questions/comments and i'll be around for a while to answer even more :) Thanks JD
So, you are working in a distro called "DebianX" based of course on Debian (and if it's a personal project you will need time to maintain packages, do documentation etc, get enthusiastic people isn't as fast, then i wonder if you will have time for be a TU on Arch Linux). Also you said that you have 3 (three) x86_64 machines but none (zero) of your packages are tested on x86_64 (i don't know if all of them build but...). Plus don't have any credential that probe that you was a Debian Developer (and you didn't what packages you maintained at least), and you aren't on Archlinux irc channels but: * [jdhore] (n=jd@unaffiliated/jdhoreotg): JD * [jdhore] #freshubuntu #deluge #lilug #defusion #progbox * [jdhore] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ * [jdhore] is identified to services * [jdhore] is signed on as account jdhoreotg -NickServ- Information on jdhore (account jdhoreotg): -NickServ- Registered : Jun 09 03:32:55 2006 (2 years, 7 weeks, 0 days, 14:32:58 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : n=jd@unaffiliated/jdhoreotg -NickServ- Last seen : now -NickServ- Email : jdhore1@gmail.com -NickServ- *** End of Info *** Good luck anyway, i don't know anything more to say, just good luck. -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Linux Counter: #359909 Arch Linux Trusted User
I am working on said distro, but i mostly do maintaining packages and so far this week (not counting the amount of time my machine was building since it's just going without my intervention) i've literally spend less than 3 hours working on my distro. I can almost guarantee i've spent that much time working on Arch between just yesterday and today. I did indeed say i had 3 x86_64 boxes and i have (this morning) verified that my packages build on them, i just have to upload updated pkgbuilds and...I don't know...I feel like i should wait till i have to make another change instead of just reuploading with only the x86_64 addition. As far as what i've maintained when i was a Debian developer: I've maintained msttcorefonts, early versions of conky, gftp and a few other things i don't remember (It was 4 years ago). Also, i did mention in my original post that i'd try to be in #archlinux more. I'm currently doing stuff around the house this early afternoon, but i will be on #archlinux shortly. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Angel Velásquez <angvp@archlinux.com.ve> wrote:
So, you are working in a distro called "DebianX" based of course on Debian (and if it's a personal project you will need time to maintain packages, do documentation etc, get enthusiastic people isn't as fast, then i wonder if you will have time for be a TU on Arch Linux). Also you said that you have 3 (three) x86_64 machines but none (zero) of your packages are tested on x86_64 (i don't know if all of them build but...). Plus don't have any credential that probe that you was a Debian Developer (and you didn't what packages you maintained at least), and you aren't on Archlinux irc channels but:
* [jdhore] (n=jd@unaffiliated/jdhoreotg): JD * [jdhore] #freshubuntu #deluge #lilug #defusion #progbox * [jdhore] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ * [jdhore] is identified to services * [jdhore] is signed on as account jdhoreotg
-NickServ- Information on jdhore (account jdhoreotg): -NickServ- Registered : Jun 09 03:32:55 2006 (2 years, 7 weeks, 0 days, 14:32:58 ago) -NickServ- Last addr : n=jd@unaffiliated/jdhoreotg -NickServ- Last seen : now -NickServ- Email : jdhore1@gmail.com -NickServ- *** End of Info ***
Good luck anyway, i don't know anything more to say, just good luck.
-- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Linux Counter: #359909 Arch Linux Trusted User
2008/7/27 Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com>:
As far as what i've maintained when i was a Debian developer: I've maintained msttcorefonts, early versions of conky, gftp and a few other things i don't remember (It was 4 years ago).
Hi. Here are changelogs of msttcorefonts: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/contrib/m/msttcorefonts/msttcoref... ... conky: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/conky/conky_1.4.4-1/change... .. and gftp: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gftp/gftp_2.0.18-17/change... I don't see your name in these changelogs. Can you explain this? Regards, Mateusz.
That would be a long story involving some "secretive" Debian Drama (between me and 2/3 other people via email/IM) that i'd really rather not pull into the mix. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Mateusz Herych <heniekk@gmail.com> wrote:
2008/7/27 Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com>:
As far as what i've maintained when i was a Debian developer: I've maintained msttcorefonts, early versions of conky, gftp and a few other things i don't remember (It was 4 years ago).
Hi.
Here are changelogs of msttcorefonts: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/contrib/m/msttcorefonts/msttcoref... ... conky: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/conky/conky_1.4.4-1/change... .. and gftp: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gftp/gftp_2.0.18-17/change...
I don't see your name in these changelogs. Can you explain this?
Regards, Mateusz.
Jeff Horelick wrote:
That would be a long story involving some "secretive" Debian Drama (between me and 2/3 other people via email/IM) that i'd really rather not pull into the mix.
I'm glad you cleared up your strong statement about fixing packages. I hope it was just a case of being overly keen and taking a step too far... such situations should always be dealt with through the bug tracker for community packages and as a comment on the AUR for unsupported packages. We have a policy in place about the process of orphaning a package in the AUR. But I'm afraid you are going to have to be a bit more specific about you being an ex Debian developer if you want anyone to vote for you. There is also no mention of you in the changelogs of gftp and conky. This experience was a primary factor in my choosing to sponsor you despite having few packages in the AUR. With that being questioned, your whole application is on very, very shaky ground, which is more than a bit embarrassing for me as your sponsor. Allan
I'm sorry, but i'm not going to do that. It was drama, it was a few years ago when i was younger and stupider. It's no longer an issue between myself and the parties involved so as i mentioned, i'm not going to bring it up and i very much hope this will be the last of the issue of if i was a Debian Developer or not. Let's just say i didn't want my name affiliated with Debian anymore when i left and leave it at that. Here's my honest, no BS opinion: There are currently only 27 TU's and 36 developers in this project. I have the skills to be a very capable TU. I more or less don't care if you vote for me to be a TU to be perfectly honest. It's not going to plague me in the morning that i didn't get enough votes. I only feel that i'd bring something useful to a community with currently a lot of ground to cover (~9600 packages in the AUR) and from what i can see, not enough people to cover it. Thanks I hope you all do the right thing FOR THE COMMUNITY. JD On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
Jeff Horelick wrote:
That would be a long story involving some "secretive" Debian Drama (between me and 2/3 other people via email/IM) that i'd really rather not pull into the mix.
But I'm afraid you are going to have to be a bit more specific about you being an ex Debian developer if you want anyone to vote for you. There is also no mention of you in the changelogs of gftp and conky. This experience was a primary factor in my choosing to sponsor you despite having few packages in the AUR. With that being questioned, your whole application is on very, very shaky ground, which is more than a bit embarrassing for me as your sponsor.
Allan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:13, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry, but i'm not going to do that. It was drama, it was a few years ago when i was younger and stupider. It's no longer an issue between myself and the parties involved so as i mentioned, i'm not going to bring it up and i very much hope this will be the last of the issue of if i was a Debian Developer or not. Let's just say i didn't want my name affiliated with Debian anymore when i left and leave it at that.
I hope you all do the right thing FOR THE COMMUNITY. You made me sad, deep in my heart. I would love to speak English more fluently to express all those feelings. Don't take that personnaly
Please, don't present yourself as an ex-DD if you don't want to be affiliated anymore. I'll vote for you if someone announces that he wants to sponsor you at the end of the discussion period. please :) Anyway, please keep contributing! And please quote random E-mails you left in the l.d.o archives (like your application), that will stop most people's doubts and should be rather easy to do. -- Geoffroy Carrier
I thought i'd mention this because it's still important. I refuse to provide any proof that i am/was a DD. If you choose not to believe me, fine, if you choose to believe me, great. I will continue to use Arch (possibly go over to it on my main system in the near future), recommend it to friends (i've prolly gotten 10 people hooked on it at least), maintain my own packages on the AUR, contribute on the wiki and continue to contribute in the forums.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:54, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought i'd mention this because it's still important. I refuse to provide any proof that i am/was a DD. If you choose not to believe me, fine, if you choose to believe me, great. I will continue to use Arch (possibly go over to it on my main system in the near future), recommend it to friends (i've prolly gotten 10 people hooked on it at least), maintain my own packages on the AUR, contribute on the wiki and continue to contribute in the forums.
Thank you. I like to think I'm a scientist and not a believer. I asked on #debian-devel@OFTC 05:43 < ana> gcarrier: http://db.debian.org/ 05:47 < ana> even if he is not a DD anymore he will be there, without gpg key 05:47 < ana> gcarrier: could you ask him for his gpg/pgp key? 05:49 < ana> (i'm not 100% sure about the still being in the LDAP, but people i know resigned long time ago are still there) 05:52 < ana> gcarrier: no Jeff Horelick in emeritus/Removed keyring As you might guess, you being a DD or not is not really the subject. No distro war here: I don't care as I don't think maintaining source debs and being a TU don't have a lot in common. It's about being able to be a *Trusted* User (BTW, thank you again folks ;). -- Geoffroy Carrier
Can i cancel my application? I realized i have better things to do with my time than face an inquisition. I'm done with Arch in the way of caring about being a TU or a full-on developer.
Jeff Horelick wrote:
Can i cancel my application? I realized i have better things to do with my time than face an inquisition. I'm done with Arch in the way of caring about being a TU or a full-on developer.
Done. This whole event has been very disappointing for me and I think this ending is for the best. But I will continue taking the risk of sponsoring people I peripherally know as all my previous "risks" have paid off nicely. Also, I don't want the barrier of entry here to be too high because no-one will take a risk with a potentially lesser known but still very competent user. Oh well, you win some, you lose some... Cheers, Allan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
Jeff Horelick wrote:
Can i cancel my application? I realized i have better things to do with my time than face an inquisition. I'm done with Arch in the way of caring about being a TU or a full-on developer.
Done.
This whole event has been very disappointing for me and I think this ending is for the best. But I will continue taking the risk of sponsoring people I peripherally know as all my previous "risks" have paid off nicely. Also, I don't want the barrier of entry here to be too high because no-one will take a risk with a potentially lesser known but still very competent user.
Oh well, you win some, you lose some...
Cheers, Allan
Needless to say I share the opinion of the other TUs, so I won't comment further on that. Don't worry about being the sponsor, it could've been any of us. It is nearly impossible for the sponsor to verify everything by himself all the time as he might be busy with other things. As applications can't put on hold for too long, that's where the rest of the group kicks in. Rest me to say that I'm glad the discussion is over. I got a bit of a sour feeling reading it. Ronald
2008/7/29 Ronald van Haren <pressh@gmail.com>: [cut]
Don't worry about being the sponsor, it could've been any of us. It is nearly impossible for the sponsor to verify everything by himself all the time as he might be busy with other things. As applications can't put on hold for too long, that's where the rest of the group kicks in.
Sorry, but IMHO this isn't right. A sponsor needs to verify his candidate. I could share with you my past: 3-4 months of Archlinux security, personal repo with compiz and xgl, with the help ( when I need it for some PKGBUILD ) of voidnull and molok. Then, my application: all TUs know me for my works, and not for my words. If we starts ( as it is already done ) to sponsor everyone only for increase the number of TUs, we're wrong. Absolutely wrong. And we will see TUs that appear and disappear in one week, many orphaned packages in community, etc. Finally, do what you want, I have one vote, I will use it.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:26 AM, DaNiMoTh <jjdanimoth@gmail.com> wrote:
2008/7/29 Ronald van Haren <pressh@gmail.com>: [cut]
Don't worry about being the sponsor, it could've been any of us. It is nearly impossible for the sponsor to verify everything by himself all the time as he might be busy with other things. As applications can't put on hold for too long, that's where the rest of the group kicks in.
Sorry, but IMHO this isn't right.
I see your point, and I actually partly share it. What he could've checked was the dev part of his story, and when doing so Allan could have decided not to sponsor him (thinking of it maybe he should have done so). What he could not have verified IMHO was the persons attitude, and I think I can speak of most of us that we do not want somebody with his kind of attitude in our group, no matter what he did in the past (sure he could have a private discussion period but that does not make a lot of sense).
A sponsor needs to verify his candidate. I could share with you my past: 3-4 months of Archlinux security, personal repo with compiz and xgl, with the help ( when I need it for some PKGBUILD ) of voidnull and molok. Then, my application: all TUs know me for my works, and not for my words.
If we starts ( as it is already done ) to sponsor everyone only for increase the number of TUs, we're wrong. Absolutely wrong. And we will see TUs that appear and disappear in one week, many orphaned packages in community, etc.
Last I want is take this kind of people on board. As I've said in the past I like to see lots of PKGBUILDs maintained by an applicant for some time as that's the main point on which we can rate them, and mostly resembles (except the building) the work they would be doing if approved.
Finally, do what you want, I have one vote, I will use it.
Sure you do, you're not allowed to skip too much votes :P Guess my point is more clear now. Ronald
I agree with Ronald, but i think that we've said enough, i hope this experience will teach us a lesson, and we worked as a team in that situation and i feel good with this. Besides, i don't agree with blame Allan, could happened of any of us, the important fact is that we (his team) helped him with this situation, and i think that we discuss this in private if you have in mind to still talking about this, we have an irc channel #archlinux-tu and we can finish this subject there, i bet that many people will be talking about this just by reading this thread, and i honestly don't like the idea about that people talking about a thing that doesn't know how it was. So, i invite you all to discuss this on our irc channel or simply drop it, the fact is that Jeff Horelick won't pass the discussion period, and we won't have a votation period for him, so it's all basicly :-). Peace Angel -- angvp @ irc.freenode.net Linux Counter: #359909 Arch Linux Trusted User
2008/7/29 Angel Velásquez <angvp@archlinux.com.ve>:
I agree with Ronald, but i think that we've said enough, i hope this experience will teach us a lesson, and we worked as a team in that situation and i feel good with this.
Besides, i don't agree with blame Allan, could happened of any of us, the important fact is that we (his team) helped him with this situation, I don't want to blame Allan; My words was for all, and because this I have posted here. This situation could happen to all, you told, and you're right.
and i think that we discuss this in private if you have in mind to still talking about this, we have an irc channel #archlinux-tu and we can finish this subject there, i bet that many people will be talking about this just by reading this thread, and i honestly don't like the idea about that people talking about a thing that doesn't know how it was. Sorry, but we have this mailing list and I want to tell something that remain for future generations; so, without a private mailing list, I will continue to post here if I have something to tell at the TU group. If I need to say something in private ( like if I would want to blame Allan - it isn't the case ) I will use the IRC channel, or the private email.
the fact is that Jeff Horelick won't pass the discussion period, and we won't have a votation period for him, so it's all basicly :-).
+1 ;) I hope this discussion is closed now - Sorry if seems that I have something wrong with Allan, it wasn't my intentions.
DaNiMoTh wrote:
2008/7/29 Angel Velásquez <angvp@archlinux.com.ve>:
I agree with Ronald, but i think that we've said enough, i hope this experience will teach us a lesson, and we worked as a team in that situation and i feel good with this.
Besides, i don't agree with blame Allan, could happened of any of us, the important fact is that we (his team) helped him with this situation,
I don't want to blame Allan; My words was for all, and because this I have posted here. This situation could happen to all, you told, and you're right.
For the record, I think I should be blamed. When you sponsor someone, you are taking responsibility for them, not only by saying they are a good candidate but also during their initial phase as a TU to help them get used to the system and not break the community repo. I stuffed up here and will take the blame. If no-one takes blame, then what is the point of sponsorship. As an explaination for my actions (and not wanting to sound defensive), I think I was too lenient on checking the applicants qualifications primarily because he was the third person who asked me to sponsor him that day. The first two I suggested apply later due to being fairly new to the Arch community despite probably being good candidates. So when I got a third applicant that had been around for about a year and had good Linux experience (excluding the Debian developer thing), I decided to take a risk. As far as checking the Debian developer claim goes, I was told he maintained ~10 packages in 2001/2002. I couldn't find much (non-self generated) signal on google but then I didn't really expect to. Good catch by other TUs to look in changelogs. If anything, I am happy the discussion period works and thank everybody for being critical of an applicant, even one who has a sponsor. Cheers, Allan
2008/7/28 Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com>:
Can i cancel my application? I realized i have better things to do with my time than face an inquisition. I'm done with Arch in the way of caring about being a TU or a full-on developer.
It wasn't an inquisition. If you talk about your past as Debian Developer, and you're applicating as 'Trusted' User, let us know a bit more about you, just for curiosity. But some of us see that there isn't any trace of you; and then, it is clear, we don't feel good about that. Not because you need to be an ex-GNU/{Debian,Gentoo,Suse,*}/Linux developer to being a TU, but because it isn't respected the word 'Trusted'. And, with these words...
I thought i'd mention this because it's still important. I refuse to provide any proof that i am/was a DD. If you choose not to believe me, fine, if you choose to believe me, great
...I can't trust in you. Sorry. It would be a great thing if you didn't talk about your past :P Nothing of personal, I'm glad to offer to you a beer ( or a dish of cappelletti, as you want ) if you pass in Italy :)
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 02:22:53PM -0400, Jeff Horelick wrote:
Also, i did mention in my original post that i'd try to be in #archlinux more. I'm currently doing stuff around the house this early afternoon, but i will be on #archlinux shortly.
I feel a little dumber whenever I hang out in #archlinux for some reason. HA HA. At least you can hang out in some of the other channels like #archlinux-aur or #archlinux-tu when you become a TU. IRC is usually a huge time sucker though, so I wouldn't worry about it. I guess the fact that you don't use Arch that much compared to other distros is a bit of a concern. If you become a TU then we'll have a better reason to start the brainwashing and make you into a total Arch fiend. Hooray!
Actually, i don't use it on my desktop, but when my laptop is on (work and i keep it permanently on on my desk at home), i'm on Arch :) On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Loui <louipc.ist@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 02:22:53PM -0400, Jeff Horelick wrote:
Also, i did mention in my original post that i'd try to be in #archlinux more. I'm currently doing stuff around the house this early afternoon, but i will be on #archlinux shortly.
I feel a little dumber whenever I hang out in #archlinux for some reason. HA HA. At least you can hang out in some of the other channels like #archlinux-aur or #archlinux-tu when you become a TU. IRC is usually a huge time sucker though, so I wouldn't worry about it.
I guess the fact that you don't use Arch that much compared to other distros is a bit of a concern. If you become a TU then we'll have a better reason to start the brainwashing and make you into a total Arch fiend.
Hooray!
2008/7/27, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com>:
Hi! My name is JD Horelick and i'd like to become a TU. I'm 23 and working as a sysadmin for a decent-sized company (linux and windows stuff).
I first started with ArchLinux in early 2007 (if i had to guess) and ever since then, i've loved it. I think pacman is quite possibly the greatest package manager i've used and i think the PKGBUILD package format is quite nice. I haven't done a crazy amount of development on Arch, but i've been using linux since 1999 and i was a Debian Developer for ~3 years (where i maintained 10-15 packages).
As a TU I will offer my knowledge, skills and time to improve my favourite distribution and it's packages. Some of my specific goals as a TU are:
* Work on expanding the community repo (for example, clutter is in community, but clutter-gtk, clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk are still in AUR :( ). * Make sure packages in AUR/community are working. For example, i tried to build dpkg (i think...It's late) from aur a bit ago and the URL changed, if i was a TU (and i will probably do this tomorrow anyway), i would email the guy and say like: "Hey, please fix the 404 on your package or i'm going to take it over". * My goal is to upload, fix or update a minimum of 1 package a day.
In my free time I like...wait...I have free time? ahh...but seriously, in my free time...Well...I'm a atypical computer geek...I like watching me some movies/TV, playing video games...goin out and doing some parkour...having fun. Oh, and tacos...Tacos FTW!
The final thing, Allan was so kind as to sponsor my application and here is the list of packages i have uploaded to the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore Let's start up the inquisition :P Any questions and suggestions will be answered as quickly as possible (I'm usually around from 1PM EST to 5AM EST daily).
Thank you all very much. I very much hope to become part of the Arch team. Sincerely, JD
In case my AUR link gets buried/is hard to see: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=jdhore
No comment! If you can find a sponsor, I will be talking my choice with a vote. -- Arch Linux Developer (voidnull) AUR & Pacman Italian Translations Microdia Developer http://www.archlinux.it
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Allan McRae
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Angel Velásquez
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DaNiMoTh
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Geoffroy Carrier
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Giovanni Scafora
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Jeff Horelick
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Loui
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Mateusz Herych
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Ronald van Haren
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