Hello,
since I'm no longer involved with the AUR, my last resort of getting my account removed is subscribing to this mailing list, something I actually wanted to avoid, but since all other pleas resulted in no feedback, here I am.
I hereby ask one of the AUR admins to delete my account "wzff".
That said, having a "delete my account" option in the AUR itself would be an incredibly nice feature, unless you are afraid your users might run off. You see how well that worked with the wall in Germany.
Thank you,
Moritz
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 01:19:46PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote:
Hello,
since I'm no longer involved with the AUR, my last resort of getting my account removed is subscribing to this mailing list, something I actually wanted to avoid, but since all other pleas resulted in no feedback, here I am.
I hereby ask one of the AUR admins to delete my account "wzff".
That said, having a "delete my account" option in the AUR itself would be an incredibly nice feature, unless you are afraid your users might run off. You see how well that worked with the wall in Germany.
..And we can't delete your account, either, short of manually removing it from the DB. I've never understood why such a thing would be necessary. No drama, no fuss, just stop calling us. We won't call you. We (on an admin level) never have.
You seem bitter. You should fix that, or at least not parade it around when asking for a favor.
dave
Am Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:43:29 -0500 schrieb Dave Reisner d@falconindy.com:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 01:19:46PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote:
You see how well that worked with the wall in Germany.
You seem bitter. You should fix that, or at least not parade it around when asking for a favor.
And the comparison to the German wall is also improper.
Heiko
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:00:44 +0100 Heiko Baums lists@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:43:29 -0500 schrieb Dave Reisner d@falconindy.com:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 01:19:46PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote:
You see how well that worked with the wall in Germany.
You seem bitter. You should fix that, or at least not parade it around when asking for a favor.
And the comparison to the German wall is also improper.
Heiko
political correctness: A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
The Arch way of deleting AUR accounts is just to leave them be. Simplest possible solution. There, done.
Cordially, Alexander Rødseth
Am 30.11.2011 17:25, schrieb Alexander Rødseth:
The Arch way of deleting AUR accounts is just to leave them be. Simplest possible solution. There, done.
Cordially, Alexander Rødseth
I sure don't like this tone here, but in general we should give people the possibility to remove their account data. There might be good reasons for such requests and that should be requested. And because implementing this should be easy enough it would be better to turn the "we don't delete accounts" into a "patches welcome" response.
Greetings,
Pierre
No disharmonious tone intended, patches welcome.
I think the account info should be keeped for history purpose and a disable feature is acceptable. 在 2011-12-1 上午1:16，"Alexander Rødseth" rodseth@gmail.com写道：
No disharmonious tone intended, patches welcome.
-- Cordially, Alexander Rødseth Arch Linux Trusted User (xyproto on IRC, trontonic on AUR)
Hello Heiko, Hello list,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 14:00:44 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote:
And the comparison to the German wall is also improper.
It seems it was enough to get your attention. It had to be either a foul wall comparison or a foul Facebook comparison, although Facebook would probably have been less off than what I said, being cool and in the web and all.
Would you have replied without an insult or politically incorrectness, striking up the debate? I'm sorry for insulting you, but I think we should either drop this or take it off-list. Contrary to popular belief, I'm just someone who likes to speak openly, not a "rude person", but someone you can actually talk to. (See the bottom of http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=17039, and yes, I still believe the criticism was valid at that point, but I could have said it more politely. This is just another example of me being an asshole sometimes, but I don't usually mean it. "He who is without being the occasional asshole on the internet among you, let him to be the first to throw a stone at me. Ow. That hurts.")
Chances might be that someone hacks my "dead" account and uses it for posting malicious PKGBUILDs. After all, the AUR is written in PHP, no? PHP had some very serious and embarassing security issues in the not too distant past, and there is no guarantee that this will not happen again tomorrow or maybe next week. This would clear my conciousness that there's somewhere an account lurking in the dark. Someone might then mistake me for the account owner and blame me for the malicious doings of a third party.
I will - and that's One Hundred Percent certain - never use this account again. It was sometimes fun working with some of you, but I fundamentally disagree with Arch's interpretation of "lightweight" and the way releases are handled, but this has nothing to do in this thread and will supposedly be taken as a flamebait (because "KISS" and "rolling-release" seems to be the holy grail of using Arch and disagreeing is taken as a personal insult by many users). I do not want a flamewar, just to clarify my reasons, since some of you seem to wonder why I'd want to delete that account anyway.
If someone points me to the AUR code, I might make one very last contribution, namely implementing a way to purge an account, with some options like leaving forum posts intact. I also think, usernames should not be reused, in order to avoid confusion. Over all, the project sounds doable, however I have no idea yet how the AUR's database looks.
To Pierre, thanks for your statement. Thanks to all of you for your past few years of cooperation (more than two, but I didn't count how many exactly). I've learned much through arch, but now it's time to finally say goodbye. My last remaining Arch machine will go down on 2011-12-09.
Best regards,
Moritz
2011/11/30 Moritz Wilhelmy moritz@wzff.de:
Hello Heiko, Hello list,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 14:00:44 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote:
And the comparison to the German wall is also improper.
It seems it was enough to get your attention. It had to be either a foul wall comparison or a foul Facebook comparison, although Facebook would probably have been less off than what I said, being cool and in the web and all.
Would you have replied without an insult or politically incorrectness, striking up the debate? I'm sorry for insulting you, but I think we should either drop this or take it off-list. Contrary to popular belief, I'm just someone who likes to speak openly, not a "rude person", but someone you can actually talk to. (See the bottom of http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=17039, and yes, I still believe the criticism was valid at that point, but I could have said it more politely. This is just another example of me being an asshole sometimes, but I don't usually mean it. "He who is without being the occasional asshole on the internet among you, let him to be the first to throw a stone at me. Ow. That hurts.")
Chances might be that someone hacks my "dead" account and uses it for posting malicious PKGBUILDs. After all, the AUR is written in PHP, no? PHP had some very serious and embarassing security issues in the not too distant past, and there is no guarantee that this will not happen again tomorrow or maybe next week. This would clear my conciousness that there's somewhere an account lurking in the dark. Someone might then mistake me for the account owner and blame me for the malicious doings of a third party.
I will - and that's One Hundred Percent certain - never use this account again. It was sometimes fun working with some of you, but I fundamentally disagree with Arch's interpretation of "lightweight" and the way releases are handled, but this has nothing to do in this thread and will supposedly be taken as a flamebait (because "KISS" and "rolling-release" seems to be the holy grail of using Arch and disagreeing is taken as a personal insult by many users). I do not want a flamewar, just to clarify my reasons, since some of you seem to wonder why I'd want to delete that account anyway.
If someone points me to the AUR code, I might make one very last contribution, namely implementing a way to purge an account, with some options like leaving forum posts intact. I also think, usernames should not be reused, in order to avoid confusion. Over all, the project sounds doable, however I have no idea yet how the AUR's database looks.
To Pierre, thanks for your statement. Thanks to all of you for your past few years of cooperation (more than two, but I didn't count how many exactly). I've learned much through arch, but now it's time to finally say goodbye. My last remaining Arch machine will go down on 2011-12-09.
Best regards,
Moritz
At the very best, this is mailing list pollution with an overly dramatic tone. I can't be the only one disliking this type of thread on an otherwise on-topic list, so I kindly request this to be taken elsewhere.
The AUR project code is available here: http://projects.archlinux.org/aur.git/
Good luck in future endavors.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 07:07:29PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote:
Would you have replied without an insult or politically incorrectness, striking up the debate? I'm sorry for insulting you, but I think we should either drop this or take it off-list. Contrary to popular belief, I'm just someone who likes to speak openly, not a "rude person", but someone you can actually talk to.
I replied to you knowing full well that you and this person are one and the same:
Had you omitted the sophmoric attitude, I would have omitted my closing remark and perhaps had a more lighthearted attitude about your request.
(See the bottom of http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=17039, and yes, I still believe the criticism was valid at that point, but I could have said it more politely. This is just another example of me being an asshole sometimes, but I don't usually mean it. "He who is without being the occasional asshole on the internet among you, let him to be the first to throw a stone at me. Ow. That hurts.")
And as long as those remarks still exist, lavandero's comment is still 100% accurate. Feel free to delete those remarks if you don't want some foul stain left on your internet e-peen. And even if you don't mean to be an asshole, it's the internet. No one sees your intentions. You are what you've written -- an asshole.
Chances might be that someone hacks my "dead" account and uses it for posting malicious PKGBUILDs. After all, the AUR is written in PHP, no? PHP had some very serious and embarassing security issues in the not too distant past, and there is no guarantee that this will not happen again tomorrow or maybe next week. This would clear my conciousness that there's somewhere an account lurking in the dark. Someone might then mistake me for the account owner and blame me for the malicious doings of a third party.
Even if you can't delete your account, you're able to change your email to something nonexistant and use a 32 char password that would keep a hacker at bay until we realized a week later that they were still pounding on our server. That should satiate your paranoia, no? Hey, while you're at it, you could change your name to mine, and post a lot of nasty comments. You're good at that.
I will - and that's One Hundred Percent certain - never use this account again. It was sometimes fun working with some of you, but I fundamentally disagree with Arch's interpretation of "lightweight" and the way releases are handled, but this has nothing to do in this thread and will supposedly be taken as a flamebait (because "KISS" and "rolling-release" seems to be the holy grail of using Arch and disagreeing is taken as a personal insult by many users). I do not want a flamewar, just to clarify my reasons, since some of you seem to wonder why I'd want to delete that account anyway.
Cool story. "Arch doesn't suit my needs anymore" would have been sufficient. We didn't ask you to come here, and we certainly haven't forced you to stay. It speaks to your character that you're able to realize when something doesn't work for you and just move on.
If someone points me to the AUR code, I might make one very last contribution, namely implementing a way to purge an account, with some options like leaving forum posts intact. I also think, usernames should not be reused, in order to avoid confusion. Over all, the project sounds doable, however I have no idea yet how the AUR's database looks.
That's more like it -- the Arch spirit of wanting to get involved and be a contributing member of the community rather than making scathing remarks towards someone who might not know the better way to implement something.
The AUR's codebase can found in the same place as the rest of our in-house projects:
http://projects.archlinux.org/aur.git
If history has taught me anything, it's that we'll never hear about this ever again. Feel free to prove me wrong and actually submit patches that make it through the review process and into the repo. We'll all be better off for it.
To Pierre, thanks for your statement. Thanks to all of you for your past few years of cooperation (more than two, but I didn't count how many exactly). I've learned much through arch, but now it's time to finally say goodbye. My last remaining Arch machine will go down on 2011-12-09.
I'm sorry that we can't be friends.
Regards, Dave
Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: Dave Reisner wrote:
the off topic train goes choo choo crash boom
Back on topic, I agree with Pierre (as I usually do in issues regarding privacy and security).
AUR accounts should be deletable. Names can be reserved for a fixed period (from 3 months to 1 year) to prevent confusion.
So yeah, someone who wants this now should write a patch. Here's a possible plan:
1) Create a "disabled" table in the database (account ID, timestamp). 2) Add a disable button to the account page that inserts the user in the "disabled" table and removes him from the user table. 3) Have the account creation function check the "disabled" table when it checks for name availability. 4) Add something to purge records from "disabled" when the interval is up. Add it to the other housekeeping functions.
Bonus functionality: *) provide interface to view and manage "disabled" table
Just some ideas.
Regards, Xyne
On Wednesday 30 Nov 2011 22:14:21 Xyne wrote:
Dave Reisner wrote:
the off topic train goes choo choo crash boom
Back on topic, I agree with Pierre (as I usually do in issues regarding privacy and security).
AUR accounts should be deletable. Names can be reserved for a fixed period (from 3 months to 1 year) to prevent confusion.
I agree. It seems that the AUR isn't hosted in Europe, but this seems like a good idea and might be relevant nonetheless:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8388033/Online-right-to-be- forgotten-confirmed-by-EU.html
Pete.
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