Hi, I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out. Should you see anything in community not getting updated go ahead or just wait a little bit :p i'll be back the 3rd of august --Ike
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically? Regards, Xyne
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild --Ike
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ? --Ike
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 18:03:20 schreef u:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ?
--Ike
i could modify the script that they land in community-testing first --Ike
On 08/01/12 09:04, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 18:03:20 schreef u:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ?
--Ike
i could modify the script that they land in community-testing first
--Ike
what if the signing key was tampered with? How would you know? -- Taylor Lookabaugh
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Le 2012-08-01 12:04, Ike Devolder a écrit :
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 18:03:20 schreef u:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ?
--Ike
i could modify the script that they land in community-testing first
--Ike
Compiling != Working, so I think it is a good practice for a maintainer to test packages before uploading them. In some case this could be difficult to do (eg massive rebuild for a libname change) and in these cases it is ok to "blindly" push package on the basis that is compile and test it later. In any case, I would expect that a package is minimally tested before it goes to the repos. Stéphane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQGVYvAAoJEOpoNuGrRBGWT7QIALr88yM242d4ub4eQQQgZYJk Ub6M+6IYwzho8rkO6YwyoNDCREVBWCf30LBbCobBjeUy+s93BByhd9CG7UL9JBaa UtRc1LCKMczzmJheoH/fAdxHy+my6Ye8NaAh+v8vuK0pd86nJLxkw1TsSCcwtjSi +F4jLy/FrigkCClPFEY8CKDQY4pl6mbvP4NE559ufZHdLJQTlMMD0HLYCmedb2W4 OWbbMylmXGEmPL9Enx7nk67nh17HceAZVkIUKGwfx1SwWBdDynwZ4/eMISImpSX2 qoYOE5Th7c7I/zpXYRaDWzVzRR32rI4MZE8xsAjMV/kFR6UtQrhBp4vRsMWJIPM= =nVW1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 09:14:40 schreef Taylor Lookabaugh:
On 08/01/12 09:04, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 18:03:20 schreef u:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote: > Hi, > > I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get > updated > automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ?
--Ike
i could modify the script that they land in community-testing first
--Ike
what if the signing key was tampered with? How would you know?
This machine is not accessible from the internet, but indeed has a connection out to the internet. pacman would warn you that the key is not correct. --Ike
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 12:15:43 schreef Stéphane Gaudreault:
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Le 2012-08-01 12:04, Ike Devolder a écrit :
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 18:03:20 schreef u:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote: > Hi, > > I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get > updated > automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ?
--Ike
i could modify the script that they land in community-testing first
--Ike
Compiling != Working, so I think it is a good practice for a maintainer to test packages before uploading them.
In some case this could be difficult to do (eg massive rebuild for a libname change) and in these cases it is ok to "blindly" push package on the basis that is compile and test it later. In any case, I would expect that a package is minimally tested before it goes to the repos.
Stéphane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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Well then i'll drop the auto-updaters for community. but in general i find this very handy. i'll leave the scripts in the git repo for now but i'll drop the cronjob now. --Ike
On 2 August 2012 00:30, Ike Devolder
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 12:15:43 schreef Stéphane Gaudreault:
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Le 2012-08-01 12:04, Ike Devolder a écrit :
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 18:03:20 schreef u:
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne: > Ike Devolder wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get >> updated >> automatically while i'm out. > > How are you updating things automatically? > > > Regards, > Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ?
--Ike
i could modify the script that they land in community-testing first
--Ike
Compiling != Working, so I think it is a good practice for a maintainer to test packages before uploading them.
In some case this could be difficult to do (eg massive rebuild for a libname change) and in these cases it is ok to "blindly" push package on the basis that is compile and test it later. In any case, I would expect that a package is minimally tested before it goes to the repos.
Stéphane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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Well then i'll drop the auto-updaters for community. but in general i find this very handy. i'll leave the scripts in the git repo for now but i'll drop the cronjob now.
--Ike
Automating like this is very bad practice. I believe a maintainer's job is to ensure that a package works before making it accessible to everyone. Of course sometimes we're guilty of assuming stuff "should probably just work" but let's not automate that attitude. Otherwise it's OK if you push these to a testing repo me thinks. But to do justice after you return you should check them one by one :P Also you can do this on a case-by-case basis depending on how often things are likely to break. Yet I think just auto building is fine but not auto pushing. -- GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1
Il 01/08/2012 18:30, Ike Devolder ha scritto:
Well then i'll drop the auto-updaters for community. but in general i find this very handy. i'll leave the scripts in the git repo for now but i'll drop the cronjob now.
--Ike
Personally I think that your tool to automatically generate the updated packages is great and very handy. On the other side, I'm not willing to trust a package that has been generated automatically without any sort of control to be installed on my system (and I think I'm not the only one). The wrong thing IMHO is to automatically push the new package to the repo without any real test and check ("it builds" is not an answer). I'm not a TU, but I think your tools could be used to prepare the new updated packages in a local pool, ready to be tested and checked and then *manually* fetched to the repo only if everything is fine.
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 19:10:54 schreef Nicola Bignami:
Il 01/08/2012 18:30, Ike Devolder ha scritto:
Well then i'll drop the auto-updaters for community. but in general i find this very handy. i'll leave the scripts in the git repo for now but i'll drop the cronjob now.
--Ike
Personally I think that your tool to automatically generate the updated packages is great and very handy. On the other side, I'm not willing to trust a package that has been generated automatically without any sort of control to be installed on my system (and I think I'm not the only one). The wrong thing IMHO is to automatically push the new package to the repo without any real test and check ("it builds" is not an answer).
I'm not a TU, but I think your tools could be used to prepare the new updated packages in a local pool, ready to be tested and checked and then *manually* fetched to the repo only if everything is fine.
i might move to such system over time but now i have no time to do the testing of the buildsystem so i will bring in the packages manually as before. --Ike
Ike Devolder
Op woensdag 1 augustus 2012 11:49:58 schreef Dave Reisner:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:47:17PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote:
Op maandag 30 juli 2012 06:43:52 schreef Xyne:
Ike Devolder wrote:
Hi,
I'll be away for a couple of days, normally everything should get updated automatically while i'm out.
How are you updating things automatically?
Regards, Xyne
cronjobs on a server :) i have to add more but most are already to be found: https://github.com/BlackIkeEagle/archbuild
--Ike
So you're blindly signing and pushing packages based on the fact that they compile?
yes why not ?
--Ike
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, compiling != working. I bet that a fair portion of testing the functionality of a given package could be automated minus needing to write what defines acceptance for a given package. I doubt that you could reliably automate functionality testing for all packages, but quite a few... -- Jeremiah Dodds github : https://github.com/jdodds freenode : exhortatory
participants (8)
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Dave Reisner
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Ike Devolder
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Jeremiah Dodds
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Nicola Bignami
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Rashif Ray Rahman
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Stéphane Gaudreault
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Taylor Lookabaugh
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Xyne