On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:19:34PM +0000, Alad Wenter via aur-general wrote
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 02:17:45AM +0000, Adam Fontenot via aur-general wrote:
Hi all,
The TU "alad" deleted my package, firefox-clean, from the AUR. I'm assuming this is a mistake, but I can't contact alad directly because their email is hidden on their profile. At first glance, it may appear that my version of the Firefox PKGBUILD in Extra does not do anything notable, but this is not the case. My package is intended to do three things:
It's not a mistake. Check the submission guidelines [1]; a package should only be submitted if it's not overly specialized and useful to more than 1 user. In this case, all but a few users will be able to achieve what this package offers by configuration of the regular firefox package in the repositories.
I disagree strongly. It is useful to multiple people: not only did the package already have feedback (a comment from a user), it was extremely popular when I posted about it on Reddit the day before you deleted it: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/72id6q/firefoxclean_a_firefox_bu...
Furthermore, you have been deleting dozens of AUR packages in the last week since you became a TU. Respectfully, perhaps you should check to see if your expectations for AUR inclusion are quite as stringent as those of the other TUs?
If you had such concern about these "features" and wanted to disable them at compile time, there's existing packages which take this further e.g. firefox-esr-privacy. [2]
Oddly enough, my AUR package does most of what this one does and more, but it has the extra advantage of tracking the latest version of Firefox instead of ESR.
A restart button is available through an addon. [3]
[3] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/restart-my-fox
This will not be usable when Firefox 57 hits, because it (along with all other restart addons), isn't compatible with webextensions. I've been purging all XUL extensions from my browser, and that's why I wrote the patch as a replacement.
If there's a consensus among TUs that packages like mine are not welcome on the AUR, I'm happy to back down and host the PKGBUILD on Github.
Cheers, Adam
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 09:02:00PM -0700, Adam Fontenot via aur-general wrote:
[snip] Furthermore, you have been deleting dozens of AUR packages in the last week since you became a TU. [snip]
AUR cleanup day happened recently, so there is more talk of package removal in the air.
[snip] Respectfully, perhaps you should check to see if your expectations for AUR inclusion are quite as stringent as those of the other TUs?
Somewhat valid, but I would like to assert that it's not a matter of copying everyone else; it's a matter of following the guidelines the community is goverened under.
Thanks, David
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 04:02:00AM +0000, Adam Fontenot via aur-general wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:19:34PM +0000, Alad Wenter via aur-general wrote
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 02:17:45AM +0000, Adam Fontenot via aur-general wrote:
Hi all,
The TU "alad" deleted my package, firefox-clean, from the AUR. I'm assuming this is a mistake, but I can't contact alad directly because their email is hidden on their profile. At first glance, it may appear that my version of the Firefox PKGBUILD in Extra does not do anything notable, but this is not the case. My package is intended to do three things:
It's not a mistake. Check the submission guidelines [1]; a package should only be submitted if it's not overly specialized and useful to more than 1 user. In this case, all but a few users will be able to achieve what this package offers by configuration of the regular firefox package in the repositories.
I disagree strongly. It is useful to multiple people: not only did the package already have feedback (a comment from a user), it was extremely popular when I posted about it on Reddit the day before you deleted it: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/72id6q/firefoxclean_a_firefox_bu...
In that same thread, the top comments reflect the decision on deleting this package. It should then not come as a surprise that the package only had a single AUR vote (which are what matters).
Furthermore, you have been deleting dozens of AUR packages in the last week since you became a TU. Respectfully, perhaps you should check to see if your expectations for AUR inclusion are quite as stringent as those of the other TUs?
You should check before asking consensus from the TU team that your argument isn't based on personal attacks against them.
If you had such concern about these "features" and wanted to disable them at compile time, there's existing packages which take this further e.g. firefox-esr-privacy. [2]
Oddly enough, my AUR package does most of what this one does and more, but it has the extra advantage of tracking the latest version of Firefox instead of ESR.
Not really, as any glance over the patches in question shows.
A restart button is available through an addon. [3]
[3] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/restart-my-fox
This will not be usable when Firefox 57 hits, because it (along with all other restart addons), isn't compatible with webextensions. I've been purging all XUL extensions from my browser, and that's why I wrote the patch as a replacement.
Regardless of any speculation on your behalf regarding the addon's functionality in future, it remains trivial functionality.
If there's a consensus among TUs that packages like mine are not welcome on the AUR, I'm happy to back down and host the PKGBUILD on Github.
The community guidelines are clear and visible to all on the wiki, including a warning that packages that ignore them are up for deletion.
Cheers, Adam
Alad
On 30/09/17 12:00 PM, Alad Wenter via aur-general wrote:
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 04:02:00AM +0000, Adam Fontenot via aur-general wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:19:34PM +0000, Alad Wenter via aur-general wrote
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 02:17:45AM +0000, Adam Fontenot via aur-general wrote:
Hi all,
The TU "alad" deleted my package, firefox-clean, from the AUR. I'm assuming this is a mistake, but I can't contact alad directly because their email is hidden on their profile. At first glance, it may appear that my version of the Firefox PKGBUILD in Extra does not do anything notable, but this is not the case. My package is intended to do three things:
It's not a mistake. Check the submission guidelines [1]; a package should only be submitted if it's not overly specialized and useful to more than 1 user. In this case, all but a few users will be able to achieve what this package offers by configuration of the regular firefox package in the repositories.
I disagree strongly. It is useful to multiple people: not only did the package already have feedback (a comment from a user), it was extremely popular when I posted about it on Reddit the day before you deleted it: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/72id6q/firefoxclean_a_firefox_bu...
In that same thread, the top comments reflect the decision on deleting this package. It should then not come as a surprise that the package only had a single AUR vote (which are what matters).
Furthermore, you have been deleting dozens of AUR packages in the last week since you became a TU. Respectfully, perhaps you should check to see if your expectations for AUR inclusion are quite as stringent as those of the other TUs?
You should check before asking consensus from the TU team that your argument isn't based on personal attacks against them.
Regarding the "survey of TUs", I think this is a bit of an overreach. Although the patches are trivial by themselves, rebasing them against every new version and updating them for API breaks is bound to be a lot of work. An AUR submitter who takes on this task as a favor to 2 or 3 fans is helping them a lot more than someone who changes a configure flag of a 1MB program.
If you had such concern about these "features" and wanted to disable them at compile time, there's existing packages which take this further e.g. firefox-esr-privacy. [2]
Oddly enough, my AUR package does most of what this one does and more, but it has the extra advantage of tracking the latest version of Firefox instead of ESR.
Not really, as any glance over the patches in question shows.
I should add that I would not personally use the package and this is part of the reason why. Building Firefox is a pain because the team intentionally ignores the norms of Linux distro packaging. So if I were building it myself, I would want it to be ESR.
A restart button is available through an addon. [3]
[3] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/restart-my-fox
This will not be usable when Firefox 57 hits, because it (along with all other restart addons), isn't compatible with webextensions. I've been purging all XUL extensions from my browser, and that's why I wrote the patch as a replacement.
Regardless of any speculation on your behalf regarding the addon's functionality in future, it remains trivial functionality.
If there's a consensus among TUs that packages like mine are not welcome on the AUR, I'm happy to back down and host the PKGBUILD on Github.
The community guidelines are clear and visible to all on the wiki, including a warning that packages that ignore them are up for deletion.
Cheers, Adam
Alad
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