Hi, I believe Det's comment ("Inactive maintainers") was in response to my comment asking why the package is flagged. I also kinda think Det is right, since an active maintainer should unflag the package if it was wrongly flagged. Maybe Det should have been more verbose, and should have said something along the lines of: "@wil93: The package is still flagged because the maintainers are apparently not very active". Regards, William On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:36 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:57:19 +0000, William Di Luigi wrote:

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I'm not sure if you're referring to my comment (and Det's answer to my comment) but, if you are, notice that I was asking why the package yaourt is flagged out of date given that, like you just said, it *is* in fact up-to-date.

If you were referring to a different "group" of commenters then I'm sorry :)

Hi William,

yesno. I welcome your comment, I didn't misunderstand you :).

The maintainer and Last packager commented on 2016-01-30 17:07:

"Do not flag out of date please. pacman 5.0 is in [testing], so if you use it, please recompile package-query/package-query-git to be linked to the new libalpm."

Somebody by accident could miss the comment or not understand it, that's not a problem, but several people seemingly ignored all comments and repeated again and again that yaourt needs to be rebuild.

On 2016-02-02 14:53 I explained again:

"[snip] In this case there's no need to rebuild yaourt at all. You only need to compile package-query or package-query-git. [snip]"

But people continued, so on 2016-02-04 13:31 I gave the hint:

"[snip] I will not comment any "workarounds", but again, there is absolutely no reason to rebuild yaourt.

Instead of adding spam to the comments, read the fine comments, e.g. Skunnyk's from 2016-01-30 17:07 and mine from 2016-02-02 14:53. [snip]"

Then followed your comment

"I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but: why has this package been flagged out of date for a week now?"

and today a user replied:

"Inactive maintainers."

The same maintainer who informed users already end of January updated package-query on 2016-02-01 09:40, so he does more than he needs to do. Updating the git package is absolutely not required ;).

So yes, I refer to this user, but no, I do not refer to you, instead I'm annoyed by the group of people who all reported the same "issue" with the same wrong solutions before. Until today I didn't feel the need to take more action by writing to the mailing list, since I thought those users calmed down, but when somebody replied to your message that the maintainers supposedly are inactive I get really annoyed, since this user already add a comment days before.

Users should not only write comments, they also should read the comments.

If somebody needs help, there are the forums and this mailing list to ask.

Regards, Ralf

Yeah, I get that. But I don't think Skunnyk is unflagging every day, that's why I asked why it's been flagged for a week straight (9 days, as of today). I would not have asked that at all, had the flag been there for, like, 1 or 2 days :) On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:12 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Reading Det's comments again, it's possible that I misunderstood those comments. However, maybe Skunnyk is sick of unflagging the package two times a day. I doubt that Skunnyk is "inactive", my guess is, that it makes no sense to unflag the package again and again.

Hi, On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dave Blair wrote:

Det harassed me with out-of-date notifications too. He seems like a hustler. Not quite sure why anyone would want to hustle AUR packages, doesn't really make sense to me.

Just to clarify, I don't think that Det is the one who flagged the package (in fact he/she commented *against* the package being flagged, so there would be no reason for him/her to want the package flagged). If Det has harassed you in the past, you could probably start a new thread about it. However, consider that if a package is *really* out-of-date, then it's expected to get flagged. If a maintainer can't or doesn't want to keep up with updating it, he/she can just click the "Disown Package" button. -- William

Hi Rafael, On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rafael Fontenelle wrote:

2016-02-12 9:05 GMT-02:00 William Di Luigi :

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(...) However, consider that if a package is *really* out-of-date, then it's expected to get flagged. If a maintainer can't or doesn't want to keep up with updating it, he/she can just click the "Disown Package" button.

You are correct about this. But, just to wipe out any doubt, yaourt is not out-of-date, even though it was flagged.

Of course. But I wasn't talking about yaourt there, I was talking about what Dave Blair wrote regarding harassment.

People tends to (incorreclty) flag out-of-date when package fails to build or fails to work, which in a famous package like yaourt it might happen repeatedly.

Yes but, as I said, the flag stayed there for 9 days, so it's not like it was being flagged repeatedly. -- William

Hi, could a moderator/admin please leave a note at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/yaourt/?comments=all ? If we didn't laugh, we would cry. Several AUR users neither care about the text and links of the first box at https://aur.archlinux.org/ , nor do they read the already provided comments. Are the AUR comments a forum? Users interested in important comments needs to read all that crap, that now is continued: commented on 2016-02-17 19:47 getting error with installation $ packer -S yaourt resolving dependencies... warning: cannot resolve "pacman<4.3", a dependency of "package-query" warning: cannot resolve "package-query>=1.4", a dependency of "yaourt" :: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable dependencies: yaourt :: Do you want to skip the above package for this upgrade? [y/N] n error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: package-query: requires pacman<4.3 :: yaourt: requires package-query>=1.4 commented on 2016-02-17 19:55 it looks like a packer bug. Try this: $ packer -S package-query $ packer -S yaourt

Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:38 PM +01:00 from Ralf Mardorf :

Several AUR users neither care about the text and links of the first box at https://aur.archlinux.org/ , nor do they read the already provided comments.

This is AUR. Not all AUR users - you definitely know this - pay attention to the surrounded educational stuff and comments themselves. But we should be a little bit patient to them, I think.

Are the AUR comments a forum?

Sometimes yes, Ralf, sometimes. But, anyway, thanks for delivering this problem to the public. I personally have the unfavorable attitude WRT the AUR discussion (especially Yaourt) nowadays, but again thank you Ralf - your boosted discussion together with William Di Luigi and with some other guys regarding that Det comment on the Yaourt page a few days ago led to improving my English: I learned the words I didn't know before. No, seriously! -- Kind regards, Radislav (Radicchio) Golubtsov

El 12/02/2016 a las 5:35 a. m., Dave Blair escribió:

Det harassed me with out-of-date notifications too. He seems like a hustler. Not quite sure why anyone would want to hustle AUR packages, doesn't really make sense to me.

On 10/02/16 16:15, William Di Luigi wrote:

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Yeah, I get that. But I don't think Skunnyk is unflagging every day, that's why I asked why it's been flagged for a week straight (9 days, as of today). I would not have asked that at all, had the flag been there for, like, 1 or 2 days :)

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:12 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:

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Reading Det's comments again, it's possible that I misunderstood those comments. However, maybe Skunnyk is sick of unflagging the package two times a day. I doubt that Skunnyk is "inactive", my guess is, that it makes no sense to unflag the package again and again.

No Ralf, you did not misunderstand Det. The guy is a Finnish sociopath hiding behind pseudonyms, that harasses people to grab their popular packages in AUR. I gave him the vuze package to shut him up. If you don't believe me check how many packages he maintains. In AUR3 he used to have more than 600. -- Pedro A. López-Valencia http://about.me/palopezv/ Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. -Ronald Reagan

El 12/02/2016 a las 10:35 a. m., William Di Luigi escribió:

Hi Pedro,

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Pedro A. López-Valencia wrote:

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No Ralf, you did not misunderstand Det. The guy is a Finnish sociopath hiding behind pseudonyms, that harasses people to grab their popular packages in AUR. I gave him the vuze package to shut him up. If you don't believe me check how many packages he maintains. In AUR3 he used to have more than 600.

These are ad-hominem attacks, I think this thread is being hijacked.

No, I am not hijacking the thread. I am simply confirming Dave Balir and Ralph Maddorf's suspicions that they are dealing with a sick individual. And if you think I am throwing ad-hominem attacks is because you have not receivied insulting emails from Det to your private mailbox. And, as I said, he uses pseudonyms to do his sociopathic deeds, for example nimetonmail@gmail.com that now nymshifted to nimetonmaili@gmail.com. Just give me a moment and I'll open a new thread. -- Pedro A. López-Valencia http://about.me/palopezv/ Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. -Ronald Reagan

On 12/02/16 16:20, Pedro A. López-Valencia wrote:

No Ralf, you did not misunderstand Det. The guy is a Finnish sociopath hiding behind pseudonyms, that harasses people to grab their popular packages in AUR. I gave him the vuze package to shut him up. If you don't believe me check how many packages he maintains. In AUR3 he used to have more than 600.

I'm glad it's not just me then. But why would anyone want to hustle AUR packages? I don't get it. There are loads of orphans around, and maintaining a package can be a pain. It's not like you can make a living off it.