On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:07:26PM +0100, Marcell Meszaros wrote:

On 13 January 2024 11:54:27 GMT+01:00, Simon Perry wrote:

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On 2024-01-13 09:46 PM, Marcell Meszaros wrote:

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I was in the process of closing at least a few hundred more of my pending deletion requests that have no urgency or significant impact, to help lessen the burden on PM's.

But now I cannot continue that activity.

I hope my unjustly suspended account can be restored soon and the culprit gets called out for their overreach.

Yours, Marcell Mészáros (MarsSeed)

Maybe if you weren't such an arsehole to people on the AUR people might cut you some slack.

In addition to getting my account restored, I'd like to retroactively receive the package update and comment notifications for my subscriptions. I am entitled to those, and it is very useful as well, to get informed on where my feedback is asked for or which package update I can review to check if there are any errors or needed further changes / corrections.

Yours, Marcell Mészáros (MarsSeed)

You have sent 3 emails to yourself in less than an hour with a quite an entiteled and authoritative tone. Stop this please and wait for this to be dealt with. You've already got plenty of warnings before. -- Morten Linderud PGP: 9C02FF419FECBE16

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 10:59:24PM +1100, Simon Perry wrote:

On 2024-01-13 10:52 PM, Morten Linderud wrote:

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You have sent 3 emails to yourself in less than an hour with a quite an entiteled and authoritative tone. Stop this please and wait for this to be dealt with.

You've already got plenty of warnings before.

I sent 2 emails, not 3.

Unlike you, David Rankin and Polarian I don't dump all my thoughts to the lists.

I suspect you are replying to the wrong thread. -- Morten Linderud PGP: 9C02FF419FECBE16

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 02:02 Marcell Meszaros wrote:

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On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 10:59:24PM +1100, Simon Perry wrote:

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On 2024-01-13 10:52 PM, Morten Linderud wrote:

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You have sent 3 emails to yourself in less than an hour with a quite an entiteled and authoritative tone. Stop this please and wait for this to be dealt with.

You've already got plenty of warnings before.

I sent 2 emails, not 3.

Unlike you, David Rankin and Polarian I don't dump all my thoughts to

On 13 January 2024 13:02:19 GMT+01:00, Morten Linderud < foxboron@archlinux.org> wrote: the

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lists.

Simon Perry has been sending private emails to me in response to my aur-general messages, cheering on my unfair punishment due to their supposed grievances with me, which they did were not willing to explain and elaborate to me.

Yours, Marcell Mészáros (MarsSeed)

Marcell, I strongly advise you to not openly chat about your personal emails on a public list. If something happens on a private email contact an pm or admin privately with pictures / forward of the offending email. Tomaz

(Prepamble: my account has been reinstated after 8 days, so it was inappropriate of Pellegrino Prevete to revive it for a different purpose.)

On 28 January 2024 01:50:03 GMT+01:00, Pellegrino Prevete wrote: Please somebody disable Marcell's account. He sends dozens and dozens of notifications everyday without reading the work being published overall, I don't know anymore how to tell him.

Hi all, Please kindly disregard this. Pellegrino Prevete has two account on AUR, @tallero and @truocolo, with different email addresses. He is known to go into attack mode with comment fights with many AUR users. Meanwhile he keeps pushing dead-on-arrival PKGBUILDs and updates to AUR. There is no basis whatsoever in what he claims about me. He started to attack me because I have filed some deletion requests months ago for his 2-year-dead packages and now took ownership of one or two of such. He keeps disregarding the Arch package guidelines, creates more and more -git packages with a non-monotonic pkgver despite I explained the proper format to him multiple times, and also tends to create packages that don't declare all needed dependencies and/or carry an invalid source URL. It is apparent that he tends to not build and test his own packages. He is also attacking people who file orphan requests for his packages that have been broken for months. If anyone should be sanctioned, it is him. I don't even think it should be allowed for one individual to have two accounts for the same purpose, namely, to communicate with people. (It seems fair for for me if someone has a personal account as well as a git hook / autoupdate account. But this is not the case with Pellegrino's alteregos.) Yours, Marcell Mészáros (MarsSeed)

If you really want to start something (which I personally would advise against, MarsSeed is pretty helpful IMO), you would start a new thread here complete with receipts (a.k.a. links to the specific incidents you are complaining about.) -- Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 at 13:15 Pellegrino Prevete wrote:

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Re: My account suspended (MarsSeed) without reason - which PM abused their power? – If you really want to start something (which I personally would advise against, MarsSeed is pretty helpful IMO), you would start a new thread here complete with receipts (a.k.a. links to the specific incidents you are complaining about.)

Dear Aaron, the observation one can't simply look for his own interactions on the aur is exactly the way he is able to bother me.

I don't think he should be able to keep interacting with users the way he does.

I don't want to go through my mail to find the original versions of his insults, for how much I can say he is making it so on purpose so we can have such a public log or because we don't have that log available.

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From you to take his defense without knowing what he wrote is silly and greatly discredit you to my eyes, as I think you would be offended if I wrote to you what he wrote to me.

In general when you start talking with Marcell you can stay assured he will try to 'hit' on 5 different spots.

For every answer you give him he simply replies with another three comments, one there and two in another place so he can keep make it look like you are not working on it.

It will look like you started fighting with him for other reasons but really, I am recording some very toxic behaviour here.

I repeat, the fact you require me to provide you with information instead of the managers providing a public log of what he writes is insane.

it’s not. you are accusing, you should provide the information. this is basic understanding of how procedures work. now, let this thread die. if you want to accuse marcel of something, do with links of the issues. not without, and on a different thread.

Pellegrino

It am already forking aurweb to introduce software features designed to reduce impact of rude users surrounded by rude people.

Marcell just sent a deletion request for the kernel for the device I am running. Can we a least agree one who tries to delete the kernel package for your device just to bother you on susday afternoon is not a good user?

Ol the ground that the version of the kernel I'm running it's too old for him. For him you know, not old for the device, for him.

Now he's reporting any package with a minor version available only for the last week and sending me at the same moment almost. Just got three. He usually likes to report minor versions same way as majors, and so to then say no work has been allocated to other packages instead, like python2-pip, which works.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 at 17:48, Pellegrino Prevete wrote:

If you are not able to follow Marcell around, then please either you provide help to solve this weird issue, that we can't see what an un user is doing easily, or please refrain judgement. More or less because asking me to complain about Marcell means making that tool to follow users available.

I've been holding out on replying to this thread, because quite frankly it's only going to contribute to the problem that I'm going to bring up, but can you (not you personally, but whichever group of people keep holding onto this thread throwing accusations around without much use) please stop. As someone who's subscribed to the mailing list to keep up with general aur developments and good practices, the spam in my inbox is getting very tiring and I can guarantee I'm not the only one. At least to reduce the spam, can you please try and keep replies to a single email rather than bumping the thread over and over again with additions. Again, apologies to all the other people on the list for adding to the spam, but it's getting ridiculous at this point. Kind regards, Rhys

On 28 January 2024 03:31:11 GMT+01:00, Pellegrino Prevete wrote: The reason for the two identities is different security-level code-signing keys. I am even mirroring the repos on github so he can follow from a browser because apparently he can't look for my commits through the aur, so I don't know what to say. Like he complains about supposed issue with package "X" without looking I am committing, building pushing to "dependency of package X" to build/fix "X". What do I have to do to make him stop complaining, public tickets with time completion?"

In contrast to what he is stating about me, I do build and test the packages from AUR and give feedback and recommendations based on evidence. It is him who apparently does not build his own packages, because many of them have bad source URLs, missing runtime dependencies, and other misconfigurations. Anyone can try to build, as an example, AUR/python2-pip's individual dependencies, and see how many fail to build. python2-pip has been broken on AUR due to unbuildable requirements ever since its submission in 2022-09. Even some that have been recently updated by him have such errors.

On 1/28/24 13:39, Pellegrino Prevete wrote:

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In contrast to what he is stating about me, I do build and test the packages from AUR and give feedback and recommendations based on evidence. It is him who apparently does not build his own packages, because many of them have bad source URLs, missing runtime dependencies, and other misconfigurations.

Anyone can try to build, as an example, AUR/python2-pip's individual dependencies, and see how many fail to build. python2-pip has been broken on AUR due to unbuildable requirements ever since its submission in 2022-09. Even some that have been recently updated by him have such errors.

He is at this very moment keeping filing requesting deletion requests for dependencies of ipython2 because for some reason he is obsessed it does not to be working (this is even more stressing because we are talking of a super old package which has never ever stopped working at any time).

He first started attacking the dependencies, then the package then again the dependencies. Now we are back full circle. 1) The package is said broken because he has a dependency broken 2) Then the dependency is to delete because the package is said broken 3) Then the dependency is deleted, and the package can be said broken 4) Now when you fix the package fixing the dependency you have him say what he just sent about how my work is even damaging and the package should stay down in general.

I am tired this person does not use continuous integration to prove what he says.

He keeps and keeps asserting something does not work on his side yet he never posts code to prove or to show what his issues are. No propositions, no patches, nothing.

It's insane we can have somebody who complains about everything this way and who does not work to fix it himself.

Because if you work a lot he has a lot of attack surface.

So he is toxicity in person at this very moment, considering he is still sending requests while we talk here.

I invite you to reflect we are having this discussion because he can't fix his undisclosed issues himself, nor he provides neutral context for his issues, nor he is able to rollback to a previous version, nor he is able to maintain a propositive attitude and materially read the code.

At this point in time he looks so much of a child to me because he is saying somebody who maintains around 500 packages some are outdated as if I would not want to upgrade them.

Please, just make it stop... I'll be honest here, it's becoming to be a huge pain having to deal with the same people always involved in the same dramas over and over somehow. It's just noisy and exhausting. The AUR is a place made to allow public contributions to Arch Linux packaging, everyone contributing there is expected to follow Arch Linux Code Of Conduct [1] and behave as grown-ups generally speaking. If neither you (Pellegrino) nor Marcell are able to behave as such and get along, we'll start taking actions on _both of your respective accounts_. Understand that we cannot allow that much constant trouble by the same 2 or 3 people indefinitely. So please: - To everyone: Let's stop with this ML thread. The initial subject for this thread has been closed, let's do the same with this thread itself. - To Pellegrino: If you want to make a formal complain, create your own thread and do not bump other ones. Make it clear, complete, _concise_ and include proper evidences (it's not for us to dig for your complain). Generally speaking, please chill a bit with your _numerous_ and repetitive answers to the ML. Keep in mind that all your numerous and personal rants are sent to _everyone_ subscribed to the ML. - To Marcell: Generally speaking, chill a bit with what you're doing. While we appreciate your general involvement into the AUR, keep in mind that we just cannot absorbe the amount of work it involves on our side, specifically when it comes with additional dramas (I'm not saying that you're necessarily responsible for all of those, but let's face it, they do happen. I hope you get the point.). The huge workload it involves on us is just discouraging. Let me remind you (and everyone else while we're at it) that moderating the AUR is just a part of our duties and we are all doing that as volunteers on our free time. Let's not make all of that counterproductive. - To both of you (Pellegrino and Marcell): Please behave, generally speaking. As said earlier, both of your names are starting to be mentioned a bit too often and, as said before, we just cannot allow (or ignore) that much trouble by the same people over and over. Sorry I have to say this, but take this as a formal warning. [1] https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/ -- Regards, Robin Candau / Antiz

I think you should heed Antiz’s warnings. Links in another thread, or nothing. Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ

On Jan 28, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Pellegrino Prevete wrote:



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In contrast to what he is stating about me, I do build and test the packages from AUR and give feedback and recommendations based on evidence. It is him who apparently does not build his own packages, because many of them have bad source URLs, missing runtime dependencies, and other misconfigurations.

Anyone can try to build, as an example, AUR/python2-pip's individual dependencies, and see how many fail to build. python2-pip has been broken on AUR due to unbuildable requirements ever since its submission in 2022-09. Even some that have been recently updated by him have such errors.

He is at this very moment keeping filing requesting deletion requests for dependencies of ipython2 because for some reason he is obsessed it does not to be working (this is even more stressing because we are talking of a super old package which has never ever stopped working at any time).

He first started attacking the dependencies, then the package then again the dependencies. Now we are back full circle. 1) The package is said broken because he has a dependency broken 2) Then the dependency is to delete because the package is said broken 3) Then the dependency is deleted, and the package can be said broken 4) Now when you fix the package fixing the dependency you have him say what he just sent about how my work is even damaging and the package should stay down in general.

I am tired this person does not use continuous integration to prove what he says.

He keeps and keeps asserting something does not work on his side yet he never posts code to prove or to show what his issues are. No propositions, no patches, nothing.

It's insane we can have somebody who complains about everything this way and who does not work to fix it himself.

Because if you work a lot he has a lot of attack surface.

So he is toxicity in person at this very moment, considering he is still sending requests while we talk here.

I invite you to reflect we are having this discussion because he can't fix his undisclosed issues himself, nor he provides neutral context for his issues, nor he is able to rollback to a previous version, nor he is able to maintain a propositive attitude and materially read the code.

At this point in time he looks so much of a child to me because he is saying somebody who maintains around 500 packages some are outdated as if I would not want to upgrade them.

I think you should heed Antiz’s warnings. Links in another thread, or nothing. Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ

On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 09:46:04 -0500 "Lime In a Jacket (Aaron Liu)" wrote:

I am quite confused here, nobody seems to have sent 3 emails. Which person would you be talking about?

Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ Sure they did. https://lists.archlinux.org/hyperkitty/list/aur-general@lists.archlinux.org/...

On 13 January 2024 12:52:03 GMT+01:00, Morten Linderud wrote:

You have sent 3 emails to yourself in less than an hour with a quite an entiteled and authoritative tone. Stop this please and wait for this to be dealt with.

You've already got plenty of warnings before.

@foxboron, that's actually part of the problem and why I'm feeling upset and persecuted: I have not received any warning whatsoever. I also got no notification about the suspension, nor about why I was punished this way and by whom. Do you say this is a totally fair and equitable procedure by a PM on the AUR? Are there no standards whatsoever that apply to AUR PM's actions? Yours, Marcell Meszaros (MarsSeed)

like you send me out of date for packages about programs I am the author of minutes after I release them and I have proof at times you don't check the release is working yourself before the report also your deletion request put a lot of stress on people I mean, when I will have come back to a normality of sorts I will have to re-read all 2023 aur emails just to check you didn't manage to delete significant programs I use in between small libraries without a much discussion, like when you hid Banshee in general is stressing dealing with somebody who prefers to hide what (to him) it doesn't work instead of fixing it directly as a comparison, I immensely prefer having a mips gcc3 broken recipe than not having it at all, because if I don't have it I wont remember or know at all the mips compiler exists and it is broken

just to clarify, I certainly noticed over the last weeks your efforts at reducing the impression the latter is happening and I have greatly appreciated the pace change yet I think you should chill more, and focus more on the fact countless hours of your work may be made disappear all of a sudden because an hall monitor may not like you, on the fact no one from the team wants full encryption by default, on the fact we are not paid and our work was not even considered work before we started licensing repos some months ago on the fact whatever group you think you may belong, you will eventually be made the minority and be thrown away because the game is rigged and mob rule is the only rule

Hello,

Please, watch your tone. This autoritative paragraph is not helpful and even sounds disrespectful coming from a non-staff person: You are not in a position to prefer anyone concentrating on anything when it comes the AUR (or any other part of the Arch project).

Going further on that, I'd like to remind **everyone** of the Arch Linux Code Of Conduct [1] and ask to drop those entitled and authoritative sentences/tones we've seen too much recently (specifically from non-staff people) such as "I'm *kindly* asking you to [...]" or "I'd prefer you to [...]", etc...

Please, keep in mind that we are a community, with all the respect it involves. We are all doing this by passion on our free time. Such "ordering" sentences have not their place in regular users' exchanges.

Coming back to this ML thread topic: As said previously, please let the staff handle this situation and refrain from posting any more thoughts that would not help toward its resolution.

[1] https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/

Going further on that, I'd like to remind **everyone** of the Arch Linux Code Of Conduct [1] and ask to drop those entitled and authoritative sentences/tones we've seen too much recently (specifically from non-staff people) such as "I'm *kindly* asking you to [...]" or "I'd prefer you to [...]", etc...

It may not be referred to me but I'd like to underline I've taken the freedom of telling Marcell what I'd like him to do because I receive from him something like 10 mails per day through aur notifications, so I've talked to him like I would have done to a collegue, a co-worker, or a friend about what I think it's more urgent.

The suspension will end after a week (this Friday). You have been given guidance/warnings about how to mindfully utilize the AUR platform by at least one of our staff previously, and seem to have not given that enough heed. Please be more considerate with your efforts to contribute and the load it puts on others. -- Best, Daniel https://danielcapella.com