Please kindly also remove Pellegrino's defamatory and disrespectful comment against myself and @Muflone from the following AUR page: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnome-sound-recorder-git

Dear arch users, it's months now i keep receiving harrassments from Marcello in requests and comments. I have been thinking for quite some months to start livestreaming aur work sessions so everybody can witness the issues I am having with Marcello. I have already published one it which I update a package and make apparent the issues deriving from the suspension of my mobile account for the reason you see above, that is that Muflone consider roms not software products which depend on an application which supports them and had to suspend instead of, again, having this discussion we're having now in front of everybody here, in the place where I asked him to move, in the comments.

Dear arch users, it's months now i keep receiving harrassments from Marcello in requests and comments. I have been thinking for quite some months to start livestreaming aur work sessions so everybody can witness the issues I am having with him. I have already published one it which I update a package and make apparent the issues deriving from the suspension of my mobile account for the reason you see above in this thread, that is that Muflone consider roms not software products which depend on applications which supports handling them and had to suspend my account instead of, again, having this discussion we're having here now in front of everybody here, the place where I asked him to move our discussion from the comments. Comments you can't read because they get lost when pages are deleted. As you can also understand from Marcello's previous comment, he complains i do not reply to emails thread and me that he does not reply to aurweb comments. I find this whole matter surreal. In general he does not sends code and he just stands there pointing a gun to an old package whenever I'm doing anything, I receive machine gun out of dates and get insulted routinely. Really I have started recording work sessions to just give external people an idea of what he considers 'polite' to do. Pellegrino

Il 17/03/24 21:38, Pellegrino Prevete ha scritto:

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Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): [...]

This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this sharade on.

Do you have received some insults from anyone? Could you please send me the details about that? -- Fabio Castelli aka Muflone

This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this sharade on.

He deletes packages in such a way he can always file a next request saying 'this package is not a depends of anything and its old production software (as if it were a good reason to hide working software or killing whole stacks because of minor adjustments)'. He just filed yet another request, this time for a package I updated recently, python2-backports.csv. needed to build something he deleted or was deleted from extra and destined to republished on the aur. This is the just the tip of the iceberg of his passive aggressive behaviour.

Pellegrino, please kindly stop this uncivilized behavior and hysteria.

You just sent another ten requests and you routinely send for deletion packages you made me upgrade hours earlier. You are completely insane.

@Muflone and other PM's, is this acceptable language against someone in the Arch/AUR community?

I must stress this was an hyperbole and I don't certainly think you're crazy and I hope this can be sorted out somehow.

On 17 March 2024 21:38:21 GMT+01:00, Pellegrino Prevete wrote:

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Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): [...]

This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this sharade on.

"This individual" has a name and deserves to be called by that. It is btw Marcell, with double L in the end and no "O". None of what Pellegrino states about me is true. I was always respectful to him and I only sent legitimate requests. The "huge dependency trees" were broken when Python2 was dropped from the repos in Nov 2021. Then Pellegrino took ownership of many AUR Python2 packages and did nothing on most of them for 2 years, while he changed or newly uploaded some but in a broken state, then again he disappeared from AUR for 9 more months. To this day, after 3 years, Pellegrino's packages like python2-urllib3 / python2-requests / python2-pip are unbuildable due to several breakages in the dependency chain. @Muflone I imploren you, please make him stop this tirade and attack.

Dear Muflone,

because of that suspension I can't send code signed with my larger set of keys to the aur without adding those same keys to my main account, which I won't do. How after finally getting in touch directly on the mailing list to address your statement about an implied difference between a flash game and a nes rom should make you think disabling my account is gonna be more effective than addressing that statement and not creating issues for everybody is currently a mystery to me.

I explained in many places the AUR is not the place where to upload ROM launchers, they are mere data files to use with an emulator and they don't need at all a system package, they won't received updates, and they would probably have legal issues, regardless if you get them from archive.org. ROM files are simple data files to use with an emulator, they don't require packages, nor pacman to manage them, considered also the fact such games are abandoned since more then 20 years and they will never receive any updates. Your account were suspended because you deliberately ignored the package concerns and you uploaded the package for the second time. It was deleted for the 2nd time and you uploaded the package for the third time, without even asking for an appeal, you simply ignored the package deletion. For this only reason you were suspended, not for the low quality packaging. It's sad to see you continue to ignore the main reason for your suspension.

About my aur comments I do not see anything wrong with them,

I read in a lot of places (AUR comments, mailing list comments, git commit comments, twitter) messages from you directed to MarsSeed or me, the latest was on the https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/libisl25-static for which you just received your last warning before a definitive ban from AUR in all of your accounts. Moving the discussion on your packages, or your inability to manage or update them, it's only a waste of time, you won't be able to maintain them if your accounts will be baned, so your only concern must be to solve the point for which you were suspended.

I do not receive any replies about these observations anywhere, I am instead reprehended on here for having reported in the comments the kind of pressures I receive.

Your packaging skills and your packages quality are not the reasons for your suspension. The only reason for your suspension is you not respecting the rules and the decisions. Stop wasting the time in moving the discussion in different arguments, you were suspended for multiple re-uploads after being warned and you were warned again for calling people. I repeat, it's up to you to behave well with only a single account. If you'll continue to write messages about people on the AUR, whoever will be, also the tallero account will be banned and the packages will be freed and given to someone else. Stop writing messages about people, about who is destructing the AUR in your opinion, whoever is "NU UAPP E CARTON" I'm actually ignoring you calling me a bully and insulting me on twitter/X, this is not the reason for you being suspended, it won't move the main point at all. First solve the main point and later we'll talk about the rest. regards -- Muflone

You can check out Prevete's Twitter account. Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ

On Mar 18, 2024, at 7:01 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:56:17 +0100 "Rein Fernhout (Levitating)" said:

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Hey,

Can we please wrap this up? I don't care if Tallero gets permanently suspended or not. We've all seen this discussion before just 2 months ago and it lasted for over two weeks and 39 emails.[1] Could we either just ban Tallero for clear violation of the code of conduct or move the discussion elsewhere?

+1 - Wrap it up.

I've tried to figure out what was going on... I couldn't. Talk of insulting messages never got me to any (following what sparse links were provided), probably because they were all deleted by the time I looked. Also the email threads essentially amount to instant message bickering that provide little signal to noise.

In future, it'd be nice to quote and collect the offending messages and context somewhere for people to look at and evaluate. Perhaps hold off on deletion of "evidence" until matters are finally settled?

-- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - raster@rasterman.com