[aur-general] plz remove perl-set-infinite

Hi Caleb, These requests of yours pop up quite frequently on this mailing list. I assume you are using a tool that generates those PKGBUILD for CPAN distributions (perhaps pacpan?) and then submits them to the AUR. Often it seems the tool you are using is not very good at finding out whether a perl package is already in the repos or not. Perhaps you could improve that, to avoid annoying the TUs every couple of days ;) Best, F

Xyne

9:54 p.m.

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Hi Caleb,

These requests of yours pop up quite frequently on this mailing list. I assume you are using a tool that generates those PKGBUILD for CPAN distributions (perhaps pacpan?) and then submits them to the AUR. Often it seems the tool you are using is not very good at finding out whether a perl package is already in the repos or not. Perhaps you could improve that, to avoid annoying the TUs every couple of days ;)

Best, F

For the record, Pacpan does detect repo packages and it does not submit packages to the AUR.

Caleb Cushing

29 Apr 29 Apr

2:59 a.m.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Firmicus wrote:

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These requests of yours pop up quite frequently on this mailing list. I try not to.

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I assume you are using a tool that generates those PKGBUILD for CPAN distributions (perhaps pacpan?) and then submits them to the AUR.

if you read the pkgbuild you would know.

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Often it seems the tool you are using is not very good at finding out whether a perl package is already in the repos or not.

The tool doesn't check. I have to do that by hand. I'm not aware of any tool that does. I suppose I could work on adding that functionality as it would be really useful. I'm getting tired of checking.

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Perhaps you could improve that, to avoid annoying the TUs every couple of days ;)

Instead of asking me not to make a mistake how about we allow authors to delete there own packages from AUR? Or maybe Make AUR smarter and reject packages that are in one of the other repos. problem is I've got more packages and am adding more every day. for every 1 I've asked you to delete I've added (or adopted) about 20 (to the tune that I maintain over 300 now and growing). I'm trying to make sure I check every package before uploading. but sometimes I screw up. I've got a system that I'm working on that's helping to keep me from doing this. I now have a partial list (well really the templates I generate from) of what I'm actually maintaining here http://github.com/xenoterracide/AURpan . I still have to check cpanp -o daily to see what's out of date, that's not on that list. Then I try to check to see if it's on aur or in an arch repo and respond appropriately. Again, sometimes I screw up. I suppose the final option is to make me a TU so that I can handle my own deletions. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

Caleb Cushing

3:03 a.m.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Caleb Cushing wrote:

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or every 1 I've asked you to delete I've added (or adopted) about 20

I'd also like to note that I flag about 10 packages out of date that are in Arch repos at that ratio. (ratio's are POOMA btw). -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

Allan McRae

3:12 a.m.

On 29/04/10 12:59, Caleb Cushing wrote:

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Firmicus wrote:

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Often it seems the tool you are using is not very good at finding out whether a perl package is already in the repos or not.

The tool doesn't check. I have to do that by hand. I'm not aware of any tool that does.

pacman does... "pacman -Ss perl-set-infinite" makes it quite clear that this package is in [community]. One of the old perl package generators used to give a error if a package was already in the repo so it can be done.

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Perhaps you could improve that, to avoid annoying the TUs every couple of days ;)

Instead of asking me not to make a mistake how about we allow authors to delete there own packages from AUR?

We had issues with people adopting a bunch of packages and deleting them. So this is not going to happen.

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I suppose the final option is to make me a TU so that I can handle my own deletions.

So make you a TU so you can clean up your frequent mistakes... does not sound a convincing argument! :P

Caleb Cushing

3:34 a.m.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Allan McRae wrote:

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pacman does... "pacman -Ss perl-set-infinite" makes it quite clear that this package is in [community].

that's still manually. that's yet another command I have to type.

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One of the old perl package generators used to give a error if a package was already in the repo so it can be done.

I know it can be done. but it's not been implemented here yet. I suppose I can look into it... but that could take a while, if you want it now... patches to CPANPLUS::Dist::Arch are welcome >:) . While I'm at it I'm going to make it automagically flag your packages out of date so I don't have to do that anymore either.

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We had issues with people adopting a bunch of packages and deleting them. So this is not going to happen.

shame that people have to ruin something like that. Have a queue delete button that will delete the files after like a week or something. Then have an interface that allows you to reject deletions and block them from the queue... or... you could just have it where it allows you to approve each one. It would at least save us all from emailing. I notice you didn't respond to the idea that aur rejects them instead... since aur will reject a package I don't own if it's on aur. why not just reject any package that's in any of the other repo's for the same reason.

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So make you a TU so you can clean up your frequent mistakes... does not sound a convincing argument! :P

It wasn't meant to be. If someone eventually decides to talk to me about it, I'll consider it at that time. I'm not asking, it wasn't a serious statement. AUR actually works well enough for me to contribute in what I believe is a meaningful manner. AUR is great. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

Caleb Cushing

3:36 a.m.

I suppose there is at least one other option. I could stop contributing period and you guys could orphan all my packages. would that be preferred? -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

Nico Schottelius

5:42 a.m.

Good morning devs, just a comment from a complete archlinux newbie: Caleb Cushing [Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:34:26PM -0400]:

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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Allan McRae wrote: [...] I notice you didn't respond to the idea that aur rejects them instead... since aur will reject a package I don't own if it's on aur. why not just reject any package that's in any of the other repo's for the same reason.

I'm not sure what the aur-rules say about having a (more up-to-date) package in aur in that repos, but in general: a) If having a package in both, a repo & aur, is not allowed: Depending on the server side implementation of the upload handling, it should be pretty easy to add a check there. And I think it would make much sense, to automate stuff that a human normally fails at and does not want to do. b) In any other case (uploading allowed in general or only for special reasons): Why not add a warning and refuse an upload of the same package by default, but allow --force-because-I-know-what-I-do-flag somewhere? Caleb Cushing [Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:36:39PM -0400]:

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I suppose there is at least one other option. I could stop contributing period and you guys could orphan all my packages. would that be preferred?

Threatening never makes you friends, Caleb. Cheers, Nico -- New PGP key: 7ED9 F7D3 6B10 81D7 0EC5 5C09 D7DC C8E4 3187 7DF0 Please resign, if you signed 9885188C or 8D0E27A4. Currently moving *.schottelius.org to http://www.nico.schottelius.org/ ...

Caleb Cushing

10:05 a.m.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Nico Schottelius wrote:

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I suppose there is at least one other option. I could stop contributing period and you guys could orphan all my packages. would that be preferred?

Threatening never makes you friends, Caleb.

that's not a threat. It's a legitimate option. I can install all my packages using cpanp -i and they will install with pacman because CPANPLUS::Dist::Arch is that good. anyone can do it. What I do isn't really needed. I do it so people who don't know that... or would rather use something like packer can. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

Caleb Cushing

10:38 a.m.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Caleb Cushing wrote:

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Threatening never makes you friends, Caleb.

also I just googled my folder for this list. I count 9 requests over 3 months for screw ups... 1 request to remove a package that was now being generated with a different name. 1 to remove one that was merged into another upstream. a few orphans (including 2 threads on acid2's packages). 1 on a package I'm using... 17 total threads involving me.... over 3 months. so 9 screwups ... out of 300+ maintained packages (that I check for updates every day). I guess I'm a little peeved that someone is complaining. I've filed 7 bugs (not for package out of dates) in arch on perl packages in as much time... So you know what? I'm annoyed that someone is complaining. Why is someone complaining? I'm mostly sitting here quietly working along making the arch/perl world a better place... and because I make a few mistakes that I can't clean up myself someone complains? I take responsibility for my mistakes but seriously... -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

Malte Rabenseifner

11:30 a.m.

On Thu, April 29, 2010 12:38, Caleb Cushing wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Caleb Cushing wrote:

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Threatening never makes you friends, Caleb.

also I just googled my folder for this list. I count 9 requests over 3 months for screw ups... 1 request to remove a package that was now being generated with a different name. 1 to remove one that was merged into another upstream. a few orphans (including 2 threads on acid2's packages). 1 on a package I'm using... 17 total threads involving me.... over 3 months.

so 9 screwups ... out of 300+ maintained packages (that I check for updates every day). I guess I'm a little peeved that someone is complaining. I've filed 7 bugs (not for package out of dates) in arch on perl packages in as much time...

So you know what? I'm annoyed that someone is complaining. Why is someone complaining? I'm mostly sitting here quietly working along making the arch/perl world a better place... and because I make a few mistakes that I can't clean up myself someone complains? I take responsibility for my mistakes but seriously... -- Caleb Cushing

http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

I am quite sure Firmicus did not mean to offend you. You are doing a great job, go on. :) Noone really will complain about a bunch of mouse clicks. ;-) -- Malte Rabenseifner malte@zearan.de Germany -- Vor dem Wissen kommt das Verstehen. Vor dem Verstehen kommt das Sehen. Vor dem Sehen kommt das Erkennen. Vor dem Erkennen kommt das Wissen. Beneath knowing, understanding. Beneath understanding, seeing. Beneath seeing, recognizing. Beneath recognizing, knowing. --

Firmicus

4 May 4 May

8:48 a.m.

On 29/04/2010 13:30, Malte Rabenseifner wrote:

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On Thu, April 29, 2010 12:38, Caleb Cushing wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Caleb Cushing wrote:

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Threatening never makes you friends, Caleb.

also I just googled my folder for this list. I count 9 requests over 3 months for screw ups... 1 request to remove a package that was now being generated with a different name. 1 to remove one that was merged into another upstream. a few orphans (including 2 threads on acid2's packages). 1 on a package I'm using... 17 total threads involving me.... over 3 months.

so 9 screwups ... out of 300+ maintained packages (that I check for updates every day). I guess I'm a little peeved that someone is complaining. I've filed 7 bugs (not for package out of dates) in arch on perl packages in as much time...

So you know what? I'm annoyed that someone is complaining. Why is someone complaining? I'm mostly sitting here quietly working along making the arch/perl world a better place... and because I make a few mistakes that I can't clean up myself someone complains? I take responsibility for my mistakes but seriously... -- Caleb Cushing

http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

I am quite sure Firmicus did not mean to offend you. You are doing a great job, go on. :) Noone really will complain about a bunch of mouse clicks. ;-)

Come on Caleb, you are making a fuss out of nothing! I was not complaining (saw the smiley at the end?!), just sending a friendly note of advice as a dev and former TU. I was not even qualifying your uploads as "mistakes", just suggesting that these uploads of duplicate packages could be easily avoided with a tiny effort of scripting. I am actually glad for your Perl contributions to AUR, and your bug reports on Flyspray, and hope your involvement will continue. F

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