[aur-general] [AUR] Orphan all old packages flagged as out-of-date
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough). What do you think about? Maybe Loui/Lukas can provide a list? Maintainers will not get a notification about that (FS#15412), but I guess they doesn't care anymore about their packages. Cheers -- Andrea
On 06/07/2011 12:14 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
What do you think about? Maybe Loui/Lukas can provide a list?
Maintainers will not get a notification about that (FS#15412), but I guess they doesn't care anymore about their packages.
Cheers
Sounds fair to me. +1
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh@lutzhaase.com> wrote:
On 06/07/2011 12:14 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
What do you think about? Maybe Loui/Lukas can provide a list?
Maintainers will not get a notification about that (FS#15412), but I guess they doesn't care anymore about their packages.
Cheers
Sounds fair to me. +1
sounds fair +1
On 06/07/2011 12:14 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
What do you think about? Maybe Loui/Lukas can provide a list?
Maintainers will not get a notification about that (FS#15412), but I guess they doesn't care anymore about their packages.
Cheers
Sounds good to me. For reference, the statement I wrote for the last mass AUR cleanup can be found here: http://pastebin.com/GQeKsY4W AFAIK the DB schema has changed since then though.
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:14:09PM +0200, Andrea Scarpino wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
What do you think about? Maybe Loui/Lukas can provide a list?
Yeah, I had the same idea a few days ago. Iirc, there were/are about 1k packages that currently have a maintainer and have been flagged out of day since the day we introduced out-of-date timestamps.
On 7 June 2011 18:14, Andrea Scarpino <andrea@archlinux.org> wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
I find 3 months are not enough (for a busy person). 6 is a nicer number, i.e half a year, plenty of time for short bursts of free time (for a busy person). -- GPG/PGP ID: 8AADBB10
Also, why not setup an automatic reminder (email) every month?
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 05:05:22 +0800 Ray Rashif <schiv@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 7 June 2011 18:14, Andrea Scarpino <andrea@archlinux.org> wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
I find 3 months are not enough (for a busy person). 6 is a nicer number, i.e half a year, plenty of time for short bursts of free time (for a busy person).
I agree, 3 months is a too short span of time. -- Jabber: atsutane@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ GPG-Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4
Hello, A thought from the new guy . . . At three months, if it gets orphaned they can always reclaim it and actually start maintaining it. Maybe a notification that they were affected by the orphaning? or a grace window? it would be a graceful compromise between the two. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Thorsten Töpper <atsutane@freethoughts.de>wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 05:05:22 +0800 Ray Rashif <schiv@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 7 June 2011 18:14, Andrea Scarpino <andrea@archlinux.org> wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
I find 3 months are not enough (for a busy person). 6 is a nicer number, i.e half a year, plenty of time for short bursts of free time (for a busy person).
I agree, 3 months is a too short span of time.
-- Jabber: atsutane@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ GPG-Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4
On 08/06/11 14:01, Thorsten Töpper wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 05:05:22 +0800 Ray Rashif<schiv@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 7 June 2011 18:14, Andrea Scarpino<andrea@archlinux.org> wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
I find 3 months are not enough (for a busy person). 6 is a nicer number, i.e half a year, plenty of time for short bursts of free time (for a busy person).
I agree, 3 months is a too short span of time.
Seriously? If someone can not find the time to update a package in 3 months, there will be other people who can do a better job. If we waited 6 months for updates, we might as well be using Ubunutu.
2011/6/8 Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org>:
Seriously? If someone can not find the time to update a package in 3 months, there will be other people who can do a better job. If we waited 6 months for updates, we might as well be using Ubunutu.
I agree that waiting that long is too much. IMHO, it would be nice (and smoother) to have a notification generated for "hey, man, this is a warning: XYZ package is out-of-date! More time and will be disowned" in the 1,5 month (or something like that) and, after 3 months, automatically disown the package, with notification this time. -- Rafael
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:13:00 +1000 Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 08/06/11 14:01, Thorsten Töpper wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 05:05:22 +0800 Ray Rashif<schiv@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 7 June 2011 18:14, Andrea Scarpino<andrea@archlinux.org> wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
I find 3 months are not enough (for a busy person). 6 is a nicer number, i.e half a year, plenty of time for short bursts of free time (for a busy person).
I agree, 3 months is a too short span of time.
Seriously? If someone can not find the time to update a package in 3 months, there will be other people who can do a better job. If we waited 6 months for updates, we might as well be using Ubunutu.
If it really bothers people they simply request an orphanage and that's it. +1 for the notification idea -- Jabber: atsutane@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ GPG-Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4
On 06/08/2011 06:27 AM, Thorsten Töpper wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:13:00 +1000 Allan McRae<allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 08/06/11 14:01, Thorsten Töpper wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 05:05:22 +0800 Ray Rashif<schiv@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 7 June 2011 18:14, Andrea Scarpino<andrea@archlinux.org> wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough). I find 3 months are not enough (for a busy person). 6 is a nicer number, i.e half a year, plenty of time for short bursts of free time (for a busy person). I agree, 3 months is a too short span of time.
Seriously? If someone can not find the time to update a package in 3 months, there will be other people who can do a better job. If we waited 6 months for updates, we might as well be using Ubunutu.
If it really bothers people they simply request an orphanage and that's it.
+1 for the notification idea
I Like Allan idea, 3 months is enough, normally we mail someone and wait for 2 weeks. Wait 2 months, notify, after 3 months orphan. -- Jelle van der Waa
On 6/8/11, Martti Kühne <mysatyre@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 for the notification idea -1 from me. I thought we agreed that the aur was passive by not bugging its users about stuff.
Yes! Stop sending me those damn "out-of-date" notifications!
On 8 June 2011 12:13, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 08/06/11 14:01, Thorsten Töpper wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 05:05:22 +0800 Ray Rashif<schiv@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 7 June 2011 18:14, Andrea Scarpino<andrea@archlinux.org> wrote:
Hi TUs, I'd like to orphan all packages in AUR flagged as out-of-date before February 2011 (for example, I think 3 months are enough).
I find 3 months are not enough (for a busy person). 6 is a nicer number, i.e half a year, plenty of time for short bursts of free time (for a busy person).
I agree, 3 months is a too short span of time.
Seriously? If someone can not find the time to update a package in 3 months, there will be other people who can do a better job. If we waited 6 months for updates, we might as well be using Ubunutu.
Hmm..I suppose that'd be a bit too lenient. -- GPG/PGP ID: 8AADBB10
2011/6/8 Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org>:
Seriously? If someone can not find the time to update a package in 3 months, there will be other people who can do a better job. If we waited 6 months for updates, we might as well be using Ubunutu.
Well, it's different. I think that could happen two whole different situations: 1. What I meant initially was: it is better to have a package outdated for a little time (3 or 6 months) then to orphan it and leave it alone until it finds another brave soul, maybe never. 2. The other situation is: another person already wants to take responsibility immediately, or even better, this new person already has a cool new and improved PKGBUILD in pastebin, and the maintainer does even bothered to accept the patch or even reply! Then one or two weeks without reply is enough to transfer the maintenance.
As a new guy, #2 happens a lot. I've had several improved pkgbuild's (for spideroak) as an example. I point out the mistakes, and the current version, ask for disown. Gets disowned. Somebody comes the next day, takes ownership and never addresses any concerns. So the package has had two terrible maintainers. Since the package isn't out of date, nothing can be done, but #2 happens a LOT. Considering that, I'd rather see a package out of date and disowned then owned and out of date. At least disowned will give the chance to somebody else to step up to the plate and take responsibility, vs sitting there with nobody quite sure what the current maintainer is thinking/doing. Would it be possible to show when the maintainer last even looked at a page, on the page? something like a 'modified' timestamp or some other clue how long this person has been absent. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2@gmail.com>wrote:
2011/6/8 Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org>:
Seriously? If someone can not find the time to update a package in 3 months, there will be other people who can do a better job. If we waited 6 months for updates, we might as well be using Ubunutu.
Well, it's different. I think that could happen two whole different situations:
1. What I meant initially was: it is better to have a package outdated for a little time (3 or 6 months) then to orphan it and leave it alone until it finds another brave soul, maybe never.
2. The other situation is: another person already wants to take responsibility immediately, or even better, this new person already has a cool new and improved PKGBUILD in pastebin, and the maintainer does even bothered to accept the patch or even reply!
Then one or two weeks without reply is enough to transfer the maintenance.
participants (14)
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Allan McRae
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Andrea Scarpino
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Bernardo Barros
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Det
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Ernie Brodeur
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Jakob Gruber
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Jelle van der Waa
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Lukas Fleischer
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Martti Kühne
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rafael ff1
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Ray Rashif
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Sven-Hendrik Haase
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Thomas Dziedzic
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Thorsten Töpper