[aur-general] Package removal/orphan request (stackless-python, clojure-svn, firestarter)

Sven-Hendrik Haase

6 Mar 2009 6 Mar '09

4:37 p.m.

Please remove or ophan stackless-python and clojure-svn and let me take over those packages (My AUR nick is Svenstaro). I've contacted both authors but they didn't answer in two weeks and show no interest in Arch anymore. I think it is safe to assume that they have forgotten they even made those packages. I hereby solemnly swear that I will take care of the packages like they were my own flesh and blood, I shall shelter them from fire and certain death. Also, please remove/ban the firestarter in extra, it is a very old, now broken piece of software which hasn't seen any love for quite a long time. In it's current state, it endangers users more than it helps keep them secure, therefore I request a removal and ban if possible until the firestarter project eventually releases a new version. Sven

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Grigorios Bouzakis

6 Mar 6 Mar

4:47 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:

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I hereby solemnly swear that I will take care of the packages like they were my own flesh and blood, I shall shelter them from fire and certain death.

It would be a nice idea to add an oath like that you have to agree to like it happens with certain licenses. The oath of the AUR packager.

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Also, please remove/ban the firestarter in extra, it is a very old, now broken piece of software which hasn't seen any love for quite a long time. In it's current state, it endangers users more than it helps keep them secure, therefore I request a removal and ban if possible until the firestarter project eventually releases a new version.

+1 -- Greg

Aaron Griffin

5 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:

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Also, please remove/ban the firestarter in extra, it is a very old, now broken piece of software which hasn't seen any love for quite a long time. In it's current state, it endangers users more than it helps keep them secure, therefore I request a removal and ban if possible until the firestarter project eventually releases a new version.

+1

Huh? It's the same version as the official release. What's wrong with it?

Grigorios Bouzakis

6:29 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:

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Also, please remove/ban the firestarter in extra, it is a very old, now broken piece of software which hasn't seen any love for quite a long time. In it's current state, it endangers users more than it helps keep them secure, therefore I request a removal and ban if possible until the firestarter project eventually releases a new version.

+1

Huh? It's the same version as the official release. What's wrong with it?

Its unmaintained for more than 4 years. Last release 29 Jan 2005. The ChangeLog hasnt been touched for 7+ years. Pesonally I dont have a problem with it if it still works. But since someone brought it up.. Also interesting: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=491AF581.1030004%40ono.com&forum_name=firestarter-user -- Greg

Aaron Griffin

6:32 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:

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Also, please remove/ban the firestarter in extra, it is a very old, now broken piece of software which hasn't seen any love for quite a long time. In it's current state, it endangers users more than it helps keep them secure, therefore I request a removal and ban if possible until the firestarter project eventually releases a new version.

+1

Huh? It's the same version as the official release. What's wrong with it?

Its unmaintained for more than 4 years. Last release 29 Jan 2005. The ChangeLog hasnt been touched for 7+ years. Pesonally I dont have a problem with it if it still works. But since someone brought it up..

Ah, so Sven, is the package actually broken? Or is it still usable for some people?

Sven-Hendrik Haase

7:09 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] Package removal/orphan request (stackless-python, clojure-svn, firestarter)

Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:

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Also, please remove/ban the firestarter in extra, it is a very old, now broken piece of software which hasn't seen any love for quite a long time. In it's current state, it endangers users more than it helps keep them secure, therefore I request a removal and ban if possible until the firestarter project eventually releases a new version.

+1

Huh? It's the same version as the official release. What's wrong with it?

Its unmaintained for more than 4 years. Last release 29 Jan 2005. The ChangeLog hasnt been touched for 7+ years. Pesonally I dont have a problem with it if it still works. But since someone brought it up..

Ah, so Sven, is the package actually broken? Or is it still usable for some people?

The application is extremely unstable for me. Even on different distributions, it tends to segfault all the time which makes it utterly unusable. I talked to two people who share these experiences so I think it is safe to assume that Firestarter simply is too old to be used in conjunction with any modern distro. I can only guess that it would still work on Ubuntu 6.06 but for Arch Linux, I think there is hardly any chance. As was already pointed out by Grigorios, the project seems dead beyond hope for maintenance patches that address these issues and since it is still sometimes suggested as a firewall application, I think it should be removed and remain removed from the repositories to avoid confusion and frustration and maybe even possible security issues.

Tobias Kieslich

8:03 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] Package removal/orphan request (stackless-python, clojure-svn, firestarter)

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The application is extremely unstable for me. Even on different distributions, it tends to segfault all the time which makes it utterly unusable. I talked to two people who share these experiences so I think it is safe to assume that Firestarter simply is too old to be used in conjunction with any modern distro. I can only guess that it would still work on Ubuntu 6.06 but for Arch Linux, I think there is hardly any chance. As was already pointed out by Grigorios, the project seems dead beyond hope for maintenance patches that address these issues and since it is still sometimes suggested as a firewall application, I think it should be removed and remain removed from the repositories to avoid confusion and frustration and maybe even possible security issues.

That is entirely my fault. The devs already voted firestarter out after I brought the issue up. This package will be gone very soon as I think it just constitutes a giant hazard by disguising itself as a security application. -T

Sven-Hendrik Haase

8 Mar 8 Mar

10:47 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] Package removal/orphan request (stackless-python, clojure-svn, firestarter)

On 06.03.2009 20:03, Tobias Kieslich wrote:

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The application is extremely unstable for me. Even on different distributions, it tends to segfault all the time which makes it utterly unusable. I talked to two people who share these experiences so I think it is safe to assume that Firestarter simply is too old to be used in conjunction with any modern distro. I can only guess that it would still work on Ubuntu 6.06 but for Arch Linux, I think there is hardly any chance. As was already pointed out by Grigorios, the project seems dead beyond hope for maintenance patches that address these issues and since it is still sometimes suggested as a firewall application, I think it should be removed and remain removed from the repositories to avoid confusion and frustration and maybe even possible security issues.

That is entirely my fault. The devs already voted firestarter out after I brought the issue up. This package will be gone very soon as I think it just constitutes a giant hazard by disguising itself as a security application.

-T

So what has become of my request? Other packages are removed rather quickly on here, but the packages that I requested to be removed or to become owner of in AUR haven't changed their status.

Daenyth Blank

10:55 p.m.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 16:47, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:

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So what has become of my request? Other packages are removed rather quickly on here, but the packages that I requested to be removed or to become owner of in AUR haven't changed their status.

Probably just got forgotten among the firestarter discussion. Orphaned now

Sven-Hendrik Haase

12 Mar 12 Mar

7:03 a.m.

New subject: [aur-general] Package removal/orphan request (stackless-python, clojure-svn, firestarter)

On 08.03.2009 22:55, Daenyth Blank wrote:

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On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 16:47, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:

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So what has become of my request? Other packages are removed rather quickly on here, but the packages that I requested to be removed or to become owner of in AUR haven't changed their status.

Probably just got forgotten among the firestarter discussion. Orphaned now

Thanks, I adopted the packages. This is just a little reminder that the firestarter package still exists. Tobias said it would be gone 'very soon' but it's still there :(

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