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Michael Trunner

7 Dec 2010 7 Dec '10

10:56 a.m.

Hi, we use Archlinux on our university. The following packages where in extra/community the last time we reinstalled our student pool and now in AUR: * tcsh * autofs * python-numarray Is it possible to move it back to community? At least autofs? What must/can I do for that? Tschö Michael

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Andrea Scarpino

7 Dec 7 Dec

11:59 a.m.

we use Archlinux on our university. The following packages where in extra/community the last time we reinstalled our student pool and now in AUR:

* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Is it possible to move it back to community? At least autofs? What must/can I do for that? Unfortunately they have been moved during the [extra] repo cleanup[1] and this means that nobody (DEVs and TUs) was interested on those. You have to build them yourself until some DEV/TU is interested on

On 7 December 2010 11:56, Michael Trunner wrote: those packages. [1] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2010-November/018341.... -- Andrea Scarpino Arch Linux Developer

Cédric Girard

11:59 a.m.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Michael Trunner wrote:

Hi,

we use Archlinux on our university. The following packages where in extra/community the last time we reinstalled our student pool and now in AUR:

* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Is it possible to move it back to community? At least autofs? What must/can I do for that?

Tschö

Michael

Well, it's really simple. As autofs already have 10 votes, you just need to apply to become a TU and you will be able to move it to [community] and maintain it. More seriously, these packages have been move to AUR as no TU wants to maintain them. It will only change if one TU decides to adopt them. -- Cédric Girard

Seblu

12:30 p.m.

2010/12/7 Cédric Girard :

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Michael Trunner wrote:

Well, it's really simple. As autofs already have 10 votes, you just need to apply to become a TU and you will be able to move it to [community] and maintain it This is not so simple. If i wanna be a TU, this need a long time before to be enough famous in arch community to make an application.

-- Sébastien Luttringer www.seblu.net

Peter Lewis

2:20 p.m.

On Tuesday 07 December 2010 12:30:35 Seblu wrote:

2010/12/7 Cédric Girard :

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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Michael Trunner wrote:

Well, it's really simple. As autofs already have 10 votes, you just need to apply to become a TU and you will be able to move it to [community] and maintain it

This is not so simple. If i wanna be a TU, this need a long time before to be enough famous in arch community to make an application.

I think Cédric's suggestion isn't daft at all. TUs really should be people who have a good experience of using Arch Linux and have the neccesary skills to build and maintain packages. It's not at all about being famous, IMO. (I hardly think I was, nor am I now!) Seriously, if you or anyone else is interested in there being certain packages in [community] (and they fulfill the requirements) and you have the skills, please do apply :-) We said a while back, I think, that we'd rather have more TUs maintaining reasonable numbers of packages, and packages that they use, than a small number of TUs with too much on their plates. Pete.

Michael Trunner

3:58 p.m.

On Tuesday 07 December 2010 12:30:35 Seblu wrote:

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2010/12/7 Cédric Girard :

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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Michael Trunner wrote:

Well, it's really simple. As autofs already have 10 votes, you just need to apply to become a TU and you will be able to move it to [community] and maintain it

This is not so simple. If i wanna be a TU, this need a long time before to be enough famous in arch community to make an application.

I think Cédric's suggestion isn't daft at all. TUs really should be people who have a good experience of using Arch Linux and have the neccesary skills to build and maintain packages. It's not at all about being famous, IMO. (I hardly think I was, nor am I now!)

Seriously, if you or anyone else is interested in there being certain packages in [community] (and they fulfill the requirements) and you have the skills, please do apply :-)

We said a while back, I think, that we'd rather have more TUs maintaining reasonable numbers of packages, and packages that they use, than a small number of TUs with too much on their plates.

Pete.

Currently I am the system administrator of about 150 linux pc in students pc pool. So I think the skill isn't the problem, because we use packages from aur and wo had to creat own packages as well. But I don't think I can get an TU overnight :-) By the way: We used Ubuntu before but that distro killed it self, with its preinstalled networkmanager, which you can't easily remove (mount depence on networkmanger by some way). But back to topic: it isn't funny to use a not real officially autofs package on our university network. What was or is the problem, that no TU want's to maintain these package? May be I can help here? Greez Michael

Cédric Girard

4:04 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Michael Trunner wrote:

But back to topic: it isn't funny to use a not real officially autofs package on our university network.

What was or is the problem, that no TU want's to maintain these package?

Basically it is the package is not used by any TU or Dev. Thus testing is a little more complicated. -- Cédric Girard

Michael Trunner

4:34 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Michael Trunner wrote:

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But back to topic: it isn't funny to use a not real officially autofs package on our university network.

What was or is the problem, that no TU want's to maintain these package?

Basically it is the package is not used by any TU or Dev. Thus testing is a little more complicated.

Why you can use it for crypted folders, too. You need nor network ;-). But yes if nobody use it, ... If Lukas put it into community I think I can test it easily.

Ionuț Bîru

4:37 p.m.

On 12/07/2010 06:34 PM, Michael Trunner wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Michael Trunner wrote:

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But back to topic: it isn't funny to use a not real officially autofs package on our university network.

What was or is the problem, that no TU want's to maintain these package?

Basically it is the package is not used by any TU or Dev. Thus testing is a little more complicated.

Why you can use it for crypted folders, too. You need nor network ;-). But yes if nobody use it, ...

If Lukas put it into community I think I can test it easily.

this subject is settled. Lukas agreed to adopt them. move along, nothing to see here :D -- Ionuț

Florian Pritz

12:39 p.m.

Is it possible to move it back to community? At least autofs? What must/can I do for that?

Nice to see some use arch at uni :) Build them yourself and create a repo. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Custom_local_repository#Custom_local_re...

Lukas Fleischer

3:50 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 11:56:20AM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

we use Archlinux on our university. The following packages where in extra/community the last time we reinstalled our student pool and now in AUR:

* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Is it possible to move it back to community? At least autofs? What must/can I do for that?

As this actually the university I'm currently studying at, I'll move them back to [community] today or tomorrow :p I think that should be fine since all of the packages already have >= 10 votes.

Michael Trunner

4:01 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 11:56:20AM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

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we use Archlinux on our university. The following packages where in extra/community the last time we reinstalled our student pool and now in AUR:

* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Is it possible to move it back to community? At least autofs? What must/can I do for that?

As this actually the university I'm currently studying at, I'll move them back to [community] today or tomorrow :p I think that should be fine since all of the packages already have >= 10 votes.

May be I should create for each computer an AUR account and vote. :-) But thank for putting it to community. I will help try to fix the package when there is any problem. Greez Michael

Lukas Fleischer

4:08 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 05:01:39PM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 11:56:20AM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

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we use Archlinux on our university. The following packages where in extra/community the last time we reinstalled our student pool and now in AUR:

* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Is it possible to move it back to community? At least autofs? What must/can I do for that?

As this actually the university I'm currently studying at, I'll move them back to [community] today or tomorrow :p I think that should be fine since all of the packages already have >= 10 votes.

May be I should create for each computer an AUR account and vote. :-) But thank for putting it to community. I will help try to fix the package when there is any problem.

Ye, I'm often using the Computer Science computer pools as well (donnu if you're talking about that or if there are Arch Linux setups on other machines on the campus), so if there are any serious problems, just let me know :)

Andrea Scarpino

4:12 p.m.

May be I should create for each computer an AUR account and vote. :-) But thank for putting it to community. I will help try to fix the package when there is any problem. tcsh last version: 3th November 2009 autofs last version: 3h September 2009

On 7 December 2010 17:01, Michael Trunner wrote: python-numarray last version: 24th August 2006 They are not under development, therefore I think you can replace your 'pacman -S tcsh autofs python-numarray' line with: for pkg in tcsh autofs python-numarray; do wget http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/$pkg/$pkg.tar.gz tar xf $pkg.tar.gz cd $pkg makepkg -sr sudo pacman -U $pkg-*.pkg.tar.xz done or with $ wget http://mirror.umoss.org/archlinux/community/os/i686/python-numarray-1.5.2-4-... $ sudo pacman -U python-numarray-1.5.2-4-i686.pkg.tar.xz [to be continued...] -- Andrea Scarpino Arch Linux Developer

Michael Trunner

4:30 p.m.

On 7 December 2010 17:01, Michael Trunner wrote:

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May be I should create for each computer an AUR account and vote. :-) But thank for putting it to community. I will help try to fix the package when there is any problem.

tcsh last version: 3th November 2009 autofs last version: 3h September 2009 python-numarray last version: 24th August 2006

They are not under development, therefore I think you can replace your 'pacman -S tcsh autofs python-numarray' line with:

for pkg in tcsh autofs python-numarray; do wget http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/$pkg/$pkg.tar.gz tar xf $pkg.tar.gz cd $pkg makepkg -sr sudo pacman -U $pkg-*.pkg.tar.xz done

or with

$ wget http://mirror.umoss.org/archlinux/community/os/i686/python-numarray-1.5.2- 4-i686.pkg.tar.xz $ sudo pacman -U python-numarray-1.5.2-4-i686.pkg.tar.xz [to be continued...]

Or more easy: I put the builded package on our repository and can use pacman as before. :-)

Andrea Scarpino

4:33 p.m.

On 7 December 2010 17:30, Michael Trunner wrote:

Or more easy: I put the builded package on our repository and can use pacman as before. :-) Of curse, that's the right way. You could add and patch every tool your university needs in that way.

-- Andrea Scarpino Arch Linux Developer

Lukas Fleischer

9:13 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 11:56:20AM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Moved to [community-testing] as I didn't have the chance to do any testing yet. If everything works as expected, I'll move them to [community] soon. Cheers!

Stefan Husmann

11:28 p.m.

Am 07.12.2010 22:13, schrieb Lukas Fleischer:

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 11:56:20AM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

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* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Moved to [community-testing] as I didn't have the chance to do any testing yet. If everything works as expected, I'll move them to [community] soon.

Cheers!

Did you build against [testing] and [community-testing]? If so, it is not said that the packages will work in an extra-and-community-only environment. If you build the packages against [extra], you should use [community-staging] for testing purposes. Regards Stefan

Allan McRae

11:44 p.m.

On 08/12/10 09:28, Stefan Husmann wrote:

Am 07.12.2010 22:13, schrieb Lukas Fleischer:

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On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 11:56:20AM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

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* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Moved to [community-testing] as I didn't have the chance to do any testing yet. If everything works as expected, I'll move them to [community] soon.

Cheers!

Did you build against [testing] and [community-testing]? If so, it is not said that the packages will work in an extra-and-community-only environment. If you build the packages against [extra], you should use [community-staging] for testing purposes.

Umm... anything in [{community-,}staging] is usually built on top of [{community-,}testing] too. Also, [community-staging] should only be used for in progress rebuilds. Given these packages do not rely on any of the soname bumps in [testing] (as far as I can tell), it should be fine to test them in a non-testing environment. Allan

Lukas Fleischer

13 Dec 13 Dec

5:11 a.m.

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 10:13:46PM +0100, Lukas Fleischer wrote:

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 11:56:20AM +0100, Michael Trunner wrote:

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* tcsh * autofs * python-numarray

Moved to [community-testing] as I didn't have the chance to do any testing yet. If everything works as expected, I'll move them to [community] soon.

Moved to [community]! :)

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Allan McRae
Andrea Scarpino
Cédric Girard
Florian Pritz
Ionuț Bîru
Lukas Fleischer
Michael Trunner
Peter Lewis
Seblu
Stefan Husmann