On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 03:47:48PM +0000, Angel Velásquez wrote:

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Paride Legovini wrote:

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I was willing to maintain a package in aur for Gnash, the GNU SWF player. I published it today, but it has been removed without any warning. Can I have en explanation for this?

I know the same package is already in extra/, but it's orphan and outdated.

Technically is prohibited duplicate packages, *even if yours is updated than one existent on repos*

Thank you for the explanation, I thought that orphan packages could be an exception to this rule.

Unfortunately, you should wait for a while until a Dev decides to adopt and update it, I guess you can ask on this list if some dev can drop this package from extra and move it to unsupported, then you will be able to maintain it.. (but eventually this doesn't happen, being frankly)

Then I do it now :) I'm willing to maintain it, I hope I can help.

Aditionally you can add the PKGBUILD and maybe, some dev can update the package and maybe he will use your PKGBUILD or part of them..

I'm attaching the PKGBUILD. It's different from the PKGBUILD of the package in extra/ (simpler, uses ffmpeg instead of gstreamer, ...).

So, the TU or Dev who deleted your package should (just for being nice) sent you an e-mail giving you details about why your your package was removed.

I hope so. Thank you, pl

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:11:20AM -0700, Andrei Thorp wrote:

Simpler sounds nice, but I'm not so sure about the "uses ffmpeg instead" bit -- perhaps there should be two packages if such a choice has to be made?

Well, the choice has to be made, and making two packages is a solution. Personally I prefer ffmpeg, and as far as I read it has a broader support for codecs used in FLV videos. Even when compiled against gstreamer, decoding of such videos (e.g. youtube ones) require gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, so it seems to me that using ffmpeg directly is a more linear approach. p.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Andrei Thorp wrote:

Regardless, I think in the spirit of letting users do whatever they want, multiple packages is the way to go.

In general we have ABS for those cases. A different package for each different set of config flags is no solution. Ronald

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:47:03AM -0700, Andrei Thorp wrote:

Well, that's a decent point also -- if gstreamer can use ffmpeg as a backend, does it not superscede ffmpeg? It's reasonable to assume that this means that gstreamer "supports all of ffmpeg plus a little bit of extra".

Well, actually I see some unuseful complexity in this approach (you need both gstreamer and ffmpeg for playing videos), and I think it slows down the adoption of the latest software releases, as a new ffmpeg has to be included in gstreamer, and so on. But there's another point: I *think*, but I'm absolutely not sure, that the ffmpeg gstreamer plugin does not support all the codecs that ffmpeg supports natively, because of licensing problem. AFAIK, ffmpeg aims to support a large set of codecs, even if there're patent issues, while gstreamer is more careful about these issues, and probably has stripped down ffmpeg. p.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Andrei Thorp wrote:

Well, that's a decent point also -- if gstreamer can use ffmpeg as a backend, does it not superscede ffmpeg? It's reasonable to assume that this means that gstreamer "supports all of ffmpeg plus a little bit of extra". Regardless, I think in the spirit of letting users do whatever they want, multiple packages is the way to go.

-Andrei "Garoth" Thorp

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Paride Legovini wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:11:20AM -0700, Andrei Thorp wrote:

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Simpler sounds nice, but I'm not so sure about the "uses ffmpeg instead" bit -- perhaps there should be two packages if such a choice has to be made?

Well, the choice has to be made, and making two packages is a solution. Personally I prefer ffmpeg, and as far as I read it has a broader support for codecs used in FLV videos. Even when compiled against gstreamer, decoding of such videos (e.g. youtube ones) require gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, so it seems to me that using ffmpeg directly is a more linear approach.

p.

That just screams gentoo use flags system, that was slowly driving me nuts before my switch to Arch