[aur-general] TU Application - Seblu - Aur-general

[aur-general] TU Application - Seblu

Seblu

16 Jan 2011 16 Jan '11

9:37 p.m.

Hello, Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis. My name is Sebastien Lutttringer, i'm a 26 years old french system and network engineer who lives in Paris. I'm gradued from EPITA a french computer school and i work in a private company for 4 years. My day to day job is done on Linux Debian and 99% of our servers are on Debian. We work mainly with open technologies and we love challenges with technology that we control/understand. As far as i recall, my first meet with linux, was in 2001/2002 (i don't remember exactly) with slackware and later with debian woody, it was just some test (not my main system) In 2005, i choose my grad school, in another for its hard Unix spirit. I wanted to become a unix power user. So, 2005 was my switching year to linux. I tested some distro and i choose debian as desktop station. In 2007, i changed my main distro to gentoo until 2010 (and my new laptop) where i switched to Arch. I never really took the time to get involved to my distro and since a long time i want it. Arch philosophy and simplicity, remember me slackware and makes me want to take the plunge. Regarding my skills I use a lot of linux technology in my work to design solutions to our problems (network operator, file transfer platform, streaming/cdn) or to maintain our critical systems. I also have skill in coding in C/C++, Python, Perl, lua, php, shell and some others. Regarding to arch, i maintain packages in AUR and fill bug report. I also plan to propose some patch in some times. As a TU, i would start by maintaining packages i use and which are not in community. To start i think to: arptables awesome conntrack-tools ebtables ferm fstrim lsscsi mtr-cli nload opera scsiadd ulogd vconfig After, I hope have enough time to more contribute to the distro and perhaps become a dev. Maybe working on pacman i've some ideas of improvment. Regards, -- Sébastien Luttringer www.seblu.net

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Jelle van der Waa

16 Jan 16 Jan

9:43 p.m.

On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 21:37 +0100, Seblu wrote:

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Hello,

Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

My name is Sebastien Lutttringer, i'm a 26 years old french system and network engineer who lives in Paris. I'm gradued from EPITA a french computer school and i work in a private company for 4 years.

My day to day job is done on Linux Debian and 99% of our servers are on Debian. We work mainly with open technologies and we love challenges with technology that we control/understand.

As far as i recall, my first meet with linux, was in 2001/2002 (i don't remember exactly) with slackware and later with debian woody, it was just some test (not my main system) In 2005, i choose my grad school, in another for its hard Unix spirit. I wanted to become a unix power user. So, 2005 was my switching year to linux. I tested some distro and i choose debian as desktop station. In 2007, i changed my main distro to gentoo until 2010 (and my new laptop) where i switched to Arch.

I never really took the time to get involved to my distro and since a long time i want it. Arch philosophy and simplicity, remember me slackware and makes me want to take the plunge.

Regarding my skills I use a lot of linux technology in my work to design solutions to our problems (network operator, file transfer platform, streaming/cdn) or to maintain our critical systems. I also have skill in coding in C/C++, Python, Perl, lua, php, shell and some others.

Regarding to arch, i maintain packages in AUR and fill bug report. I also plan to propose some patch in some times.

As a TU, i would start by maintaining packages i use and which are not in community. To start i think to: arptables awesome conntrack-tools ebtables ferm fstrim lsscsi mtr-cli nload opera scsiadd ulogd vconfig

Just on a side note: opera, mtr are already in [community]. And i don't think awesomewm can be in [community] because of the dependency cairo-xcb.

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After, I hope have enough time to more contribute to the distro and perhaps become a dev. Maybe working on pacman i've some ideas of improvment.

Regards,

-- Jelle van der Waa

Seblu

9:55 p.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

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On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 21:37 +0100, Seblu wrote:

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Hello,

Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

My name is Sebastien Lutttringer, i'm a 26 years old french system and network engineer who lives in Paris. I'm gradued from EPITA a french computer school and i work in a private company for 4 years.

My day to day job is done on Linux Debian and 99% of our servers are on Debian. We work mainly with open technologies and we love challenges with technology that we control/understand.

As far as i recall, my first meet with linux, was in 2001/2002 (i don't remember exactly) with slackware and later with debian woody, it was just some test (not my main system) In 2005, i choose my grad school, in another for its hard Unix spirit. I wanted to become a unix power user. So, 2005 was my switching year to linux. I tested some distro and i choose debian as desktop station. In 2007, i changed my main distro to gentoo until 2010 (and my new laptop) where i switched to Arch.

I never really took the time to get involved to my distro and since a long time i want it. Arch philosophy and simplicity, remember me slackware and makes me want to take the plunge.

Regarding my skills I use a lot of linux technology in my work to design solutions to our problems (network operator, file transfer platform, streaming/cdn) or to maintain our critical systems. I also have skill in coding in C/C++, Python, Perl, lua, php, shell and some others.

Regarding to arch, i maintain packages in AUR and fill bug report. I also plan to propose some patch in some times.

As a TU, i would start by maintaining packages i use and which are not in community. To start i think to: arptables awesome conntrack-tools ebtables ferm fstrim lsscsi mtr-cli nload opera scsiadd ulogd vconfig

Just on a side note: opera, mtr are already in [community]. And i don't think awesomewm can be in [community] because of the dependency cairo-xcb. My bad, opera is in community now :)

mtr package is in community, not mtr-tiny, which is a version of mtr without gtk (and its dependency) About awesome and cairo-xcb, i hope Jan, will accept to add --enable-xcb in configure in cairo extra package to enable xcb support. There may be reasons to include or not these packages that I did not see. In this case I would abstain. -- Sébastien Luttringer www.seblu.net

Ronald van Haren

10:08 p.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Seblu wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

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On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 21:37 +0100, Seblu wrote:

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Hello,

Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

My name is Sebastien Lutttringer, i'm a 26 years old french system and network engineer who lives in Paris. I'm gradued from EPITA a french computer school and i work in a private company for 4 years.

My day to day job is done on Linux Debian and 99% of our servers are on Debian. We work mainly with open technologies and we love challenges with technology that we control/understand.

As far as i recall, my first meet with linux, was in 2001/2002 (i don't remember exactly) with slackware and later with debian woody, it was just some test (not my main system) In 2005, i choose my grad school, in another for its hard Unix spirit. I wanted to become a unix power user. So, 2005 was my switching year to linux. I tested some distro and i choose debian as desktop station. In 2007, i changed my main distro to gentoo until 2010 (and my new laptop) where i switched to Arch.

I never really took the time to get involved to my distro and since a long time i want it. Arch philosophy and simplicity, remember me slackware and makes me want to take the plunge.

Regarding my skills I use a lot of linux technology in my work to design solutions to our problems (network operator, file transfer platform, streaming/cdn) or to maintain our critical systems. I also have skill in coding in C/C++, Python, Perl, lua, php, shell and some others.

Regarding to arch, i maintain packages in AUR and fill bug report. I also plan to propose some patch in some times.

As a TU, i would start by maintaining packages i use and which are not in community. To start i think to: arptables awesome conntrack-tools ebtables ferm fstrim lsscsi mtr-cli nload opera scsiadd ulogd vconfig

Just on a side note: opera, mtr are already in [community]. And i don't think awesomewm can be in [community] because of the dependency cairo-xcb. My bad, opera is in community now :)

mtr package is in community, not mtr-tiny, which is a version of mtr without gtk (and its dependency)

About awesome and cairo-xcb, i hope Jan, will accept to add --enable-xcb in configure in cairo extra package to enable xcb support.

We just removed xcb support from cairo (and therefore awesome from community) a few months ago. There is no change we will add xcb support back atm. Ronald

Ronald van Haren

10:09 p.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Ronald van Haren wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Seblu wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

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On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 21:37 +0100, Seblu wrote:

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Hello,

Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

My name is Sebastien Lutttringer, i'm a 26 years old french system and network engineer who lives in Paris. I'm gradued from EPITA a french computer school and i work in a private company for 4 years.

My day to day job is done on Linux Debian and 99% of our servers are on Debian. We work mainly with open technologies and we love challenges with technology that we control/understand.

As far as i recall, my first meet with linux, was in 2001/2002 (i don't remember exactly) with slackware and later with debian woody, it was just some test (not my main system) In 2005, i choose my grad school, in another for its hard Unix spirit. I wanted to become a unix power user. So, 2005 was my switching year to linux. I tested some distro and i choose debian as desktop station. In 2007, i changed my main distro to gentoo until 2010 (and my new laptop) where i switched to Arch.

I never really took the time to get involved to my distro and since a long time i want it. Arch philosophy and simplicity, remember me slackware and makes me want to take the plunge.

Regarding my skills I use a lot of linux technology in my work to design solutions to our problems (network operator, file transfer platform, streaming/cdn) or to maintain our critical systems. I also have skill in coding in C/C++, Python, Perl, lua, php, shell and some others.

Regarding to arch, i maintain packages in AUR and fill bug report. I also plan to propose some patch in some times.

As a TU, i would start by maintaining packages i use and which are not in community. To start i think to: arptables awesome conntrack-tools ebtables ferm fstrim lsscsi mtr-cli nload opera scsiadd ulogd vconfig

Just on a side note: opera, mtr are already in [community]. And i don't think awesomewm can be in [community] because of the dependency cairo-xcb. My bad, opera is in community now :)

mtr package is in community, not mtr-tiny, which is a version of mtr without gtk (and its dependency)

About awesome and cairo-xcb, i hope Jan, will accept to add --enable-xcb in configure in cairo extra package to enable xcb support.

We just removed xcb support from cairo (and therefore awesome from community) a few months ago. There is no change we will add xcb support back atm.

Ronald

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Lukas Fleischer

10:15 p.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 09:55:09PM +0100, Seblu wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

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On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 21:37 +0100, Seblu wrote:

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[...] arptables awesome conntrack-tools ebtables ferm fstrim lsscsi mtr-cli nload opera scsiadd ulogd vconfig

Just on a side note: opera, mtr are already in [community]. And i don't think awesomewm can be in [community] because of the dependency cairo-xcb. My bad, opera is in community now :)

mtr package is in community, not mtr-tiny, which is a version of mtr without gtk (and its dependency)

About awesome and cairo-xcb, i hope Jan, will accept to add --enable-xcb in configure in cairo extra package to enable xcb support.

There may be reasons to include or not these packages that I did not see. In this case I would abstain.

awesome and cairo-xcb have been moved from [extra]/[community] to [unsupported] some months ago, check the related thread on arch-dev-public [1] and awesome AUR comments if you're interested in the reasons. I'm not sure what to do with mtr-cli. It provides the same functionality as mtr without the Gtk stuff, so I guess people are either supposed to build it using the ABS or use an AUR package. I'm not sure what we do with "flavoured" packages anyway. There are some of them in [community], like [2]. Furthermore, mtr-cli is currently maintained by Bluewind who's a TU. So even if we decide to move it, he'll probably maintain it himself. fstrim has only 3 votes. Any special reasons for still moving it to [community]? [1] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2010-September/017852... [2] http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/emacs-nox/

Seblu

10:44 p.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Lukas Fleischer wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 09:55:09PM +0100, Seblu wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

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On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 21:37 +0100, Seblu wrote: awesome and cairo-xcb have been moved from [extra]/[community] to [unsupported] some months ago, check the related thread on arch-dev-public [1] and awesome AUR comments if you're interested in the reasons. I am currently reading. Yes, it smells bad.

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I'm not sure what to do with mtr-cli. It provides the same functionality as mtr without the Gtk stuff, so I guess people are either supposed to build it using the ABS or use an AUR package. I'm not sure what we do with "flavoured" packages anyway. There are some of them in [community], like [2]. Furthermore, mtr-cli is currently maintained by Bluewind who's a TU. So even if we decide to move it, he'll probably maintain it himself. Yes great. I'm not paid by package i maintain. Do not misunderstand my intentions, this package is more often used without gtk (subjective). It's a really useful package for debugging network issues and got it in a server is a plus. Server => no gtk => no user repository packages. This was my reasoning.

But my plan was to propose to maintainer to maintain it in community. If he don't have time, propose my services. If he don't want, never mind.

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fstrim has only 3 votes. Any special reasons for still moving it to [community]? If you see my comment on the package, fstrim will be included in next release of util-linux-ng. So forget :)

http://git.kernel.org/?p=utils/util-linux-ng/util-linux-ng.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=fstrim Regards, -- Sébastien Luttringer www.seblu.net

Lukas Fleischer

11:18 p.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:44:10PM +0100, Seblu wrote:

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Yes great. I'm not paid by package i maintain. Do not misunderstand my intentions, this package is more often used without gtk (subjective). It's a really useful package for debugging network issues and got it in a server is a plus. Server => no gtk => no user repository packages. This was my reasoning.

I didn't mean to be offensive at all - just in case you misunderstood my mail. I just wondered if we should include the same package with different sets of compilation options in [community] at the same time. In my understanding, the Arch Way implies that there shouldn't be hundreds of versions with different patches or compilation options in the repositories, but only a single package that provides a working environment with sane defaults and as little patching as possible. Users, who would like to have some feature enabled/disabled, can use the ABS to build modified packages and can upload such modified packages to the AUR if they want to share them. Of course, there are exceptions. boinc-nox and emacs-nox are probably in the repos because there's a large number of users that don't need X support and building customized packages takes a while (just a guess). So if there's a good reason to include mtr-cli as well, I don't have any objections.

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If you see my comment on the package, fstrim will be included in next release of util-linux-ng. So forget :)

's alright then. Just wondered as it was in the list of packages you'd like to include in [community] :)

Seblu

11:39 p.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Lukas Fleischer wrote:

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In my understanding, the Arch Way implies that there shouldn't be hundreds of versions with different patches or compilation options in the repositories, but only a single package that provides a working environment with sane defaults and as little patching as possible. Users, who would like to have some feature enabled/disabled, can use the ABS to build modified packages and can upload such modified packages to the AUR if they want to share them. I share this point of view!

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Of course, there are exceptions. boinc-nox and emacs-nox are probably in the repos because there's a large number of users that don't need X support and building customized packages takes a while (just a guess). In my opinion mtr-cli _is_ like emacs-nox. it drops X (gtk) support, to a tool which is more used in a term on host without X. But question is about popularity. Emacs and mtr are not comparable. The point that I defend is : mtr-cli is an important network tools which should be used without X.

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So if there's a good reason to include mtr-cli as well, I don't have any objections.

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's alright then. Just wondered as it was in the list of packages you'd like to include in [community] :) Yes... my list was build too long time ago, actualy, the first time I

thought of becoming TU. My apologies. -- Sébastien Luttringer www.seblu.net

Kaiting Chen

17 Jan 17 Jan

3:58 a.m.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Seblu wrote:

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mtr package is in community, not mtr-tiny, which is a version of mtr without gtk (and its dependency)

I had the same idea a while ago for an mtr-nox package. I think it's a great idea as I can potentially see lots of people running it in an X-less environment. --Kaiting. -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/

Peter Lewis

16 Jan 16 Jan

10:07 p.m.

On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:37:13 Seblu wrote:

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Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

I am indeed. Let the discussion period begin! Pete.

Peter Lewis

23 Jan 23 Jan

5:15 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] TU Application - Seblu - Voting open.

On Sunday 16 January 2011 21:07:28 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:37:13 Seblu wrote:

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Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

I am indeed. Let the discussion period begin!

The discussion period has now ended and voting can begin. Please pop along to the AUR to do so: http://aur.archlinux.org/tu.php?id=47 There is a potential slight complication in that the byelaws have changed during the application process. However, since the vote itself started after the voting rules were changed, it seems sensible to me that this vote happens under the new byelaws. If anyone sees fit to disagree, please say so. (It is likely that it won't affect the outcome anyway, but you never know...) Thanks, and good luck Seblu! Pete.

Peter Lewis

30 Jan 30 Jan

6:28 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] TU Application - Seblu - Results.

On Sunday 23 January 2011 16:15:41 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 21:07:28 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:37:13 Seblu wrote:

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Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

I am indeed. Let the discussion period begin!

The discussion period has now ended and voting can begin. Please pop along to the AUR to do so:

http://aur.archlinux.org/tu.php?id=47

Voting is now closed and the results are in: Yes - 7 No - 11 Abstain - 5 Quoracy was reached (74%) with a total of 23 / 31 active+voting TUs casting their votes. Sorry Sébastien, on this occasion I'm afraid you were unsuccessful. According to the bylaws, you're welcome to apply again after a minimum period of three months. I wonder if it might be useful at this stage for some of the TUs to give Sébastien some advice on improving his application in case he decides to reapply in the future. Cheers, Peter.

Seblu

7:15 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] TU Application - Seblu - Results.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 23 January 2011 16:15:41 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 21:07:28 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:37:13 Seblu wrote:

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Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

I am indeed. Let the discussion period begin!

The discussion period has now ended and voting can begin. Please pop along to the AUR to do so:

http://aur.archlinux.org/tu.php?id=47

Voting is now closed and the results are in:

Yes - 7 No - 11 Abstain - 5

Quoracy was reached (74%) with a total of 23 / 31 active+voting TUs casting their votes.

Sorry Sébastien, on this occasion I'm afraid you were unsuccessful.

According to the bylaws, you're welcome to apply again after a minimum period of three months.

I wonder if it might be useful at this stage for some of the TUs to give Sébastien some advice on improving his application in case he decides to reapply in the future.

Thanks for your support Peter and thoses we vote for me. -- Sébastien Luttringer www.seblu.net

Thomas Dziedzic

8:28 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] TU Application - Seblu - Results.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Seblu wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 23 January 2011 16:15:41 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 21:07:28 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:37:13 Seblu wrote:

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Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

I am indeed. Let the discussion period begin!

The discussion period has now ended and voting can begin. Please pop along to the AUR to do so:

http://aur.archlinux.org/tu.php?id=47

Voting is now closed and the results are in:

Yes - 7 No - 11 Abstain - 5

Quoracy was reached (74%) with a total of 23 / 31 active+voting TUs casting their votes.

Sorry Sébastien, on this occasion I'm afraid you were unsuccessful.

According to the bylaws, you're welcome to apply again after a minimum period of three months.

I wonder if it might be useful at this stage for some of the TUs to give Sébastien some advice on improving his application in case he decides to reapply in the future.

Thanks for your support Peter and thoses we vote for me.

Hey Seblu, I would just like to thank you for your application, even if it didn't go the way you had hoped for. It seems like your intentions are good, but you somewhat lacking in experience. That said, I would welcome you to apply again once you started getting more involved with the community. One suggestion is to become really good with packages and maintain a lot more of them, but other skills would also be nice, fix bugs etc. Cheers!

Thomas S Hatch

8:47 p.m.

New subject: [aur-general] TU Application - Seblu - Results.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Thomas Dziedzic wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Seblu wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 23 January 2011 16:15:41 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 21:07:28 Peter Lewis wrote:

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On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:37:13 Seblu wrote:

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Tonight I decided to propose me as TU. My sponsor is Peter Lewis.

I am indeed. Let the discussion period begin!

The discussion period has now ended and voting can begin. Please pop along to the AUR to do so:

http://aur.archlinux.org/tu.php?id=47

Voting is now closed and the results are in:

Yes - 7 No - 11 Abstain - 5

Quoracy was reached (74%) with a total of 23 / 31 active+voting TUs casting their votes.

Sorry Sébastien, on this occasion I'm afraid you were unsuccessful.

According to the bylaws, you're welcome to apply again after a minimum period of three months.

I wonder if it might be useful at this stage for some of the TUs to give Sébastien some advice on improving his application in case he decides to reapply in the future.

Thanks for your support Peter and thoses we vote for me.

Hey Seblu, I would just like to thank you for your application, even if it didn't go the way you had hoped for. It seems like your intentions are good, but you somewhat lacking in experience. That said, I would welcome you to apply again once you started getting more involved with the community. One suggestion is to become really good with packages and maintain a lot more of them, but other skills would also be nice, fix bugs etc.

Cheers!

I just saw this Sebula, I hope that you consider re-applying once you have a few more packages under your belt, you are very close to becoming a TU and we would love to have you! -Thomas S Hatch

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Jelle van der Waa
Kaiting Chen
Lukas Fleischer
Peter Lewis
Ronald van Haren
Seblu
Thomas Dziedzic
Thomas S Hatch