jnbek [1] filed a deletion request for firefox-dev [2]:
This package has been a hostile attempt at taking control of the formerly my firefox-developer PKGBUILD, which is built by strict standards for Mozilla software. This PKGBUILD autoupdates willy nilly without any hands on checks to ensure everything went well.
[1] https://aur.archlinux.org/account/jnbek/ [2] https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/firefox-dev/
On 8/28/17 13:54, notify@aur.archlinux.org wrote:
jnbek [1] filed a deletion request for firefox-dev [2]:
This package has been a hostile attempt at taking control of the formerly my firefox-developer PKGBUILD, which is built by strict standards for Mozilla software. This PKGBUILD autoupdates willy nilly without any hands on checks to ensure everything went well.
[1] https://aur.archlinux.org/account/jnbek/ [2] https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/firefox-dev/
It's also worth noting that the firefox-dev PKGBUILD was already deleted from the AUR and denvit readded it anyways.
If the package needs to be deleted, go on. Do it. If we have to fill up a mailing list just for this, it would be better to just delete the package.
The package was reuploaded automatically, because I dindn't turn off the auto-maintainer once the first package deletion happened. I then stopped once the package was deleted for the second time.
I proceeded to add the package again when I noticed that jnbek https://aur.archlinux.org/account/jnbek was one version behind, despite the numerous complains about the package not being updated.
Look, if you guys don't want an automatically updated package, it's okay. I'm not getting paid from nobody to keep it up and running. My only goal was to provide a reliable AUR package for the Firefox Developer Edition - I never intended to break any rule, nor to turn the whole AUR community against me.
It is up to you, the sources for the auto-maintainer are here https://github.com/denysvitali/aur-firefox-dev-automaintainer, the package itself is reliable.
Sure, in the an "hands on check to ensure everything went well" before publishing it is not performed (because yeah, it is automaintained), but in 36 releases I never really needed to do anything, and there was no problem at all.
I guess the choice now is the following:
1) Keep firefox-dev and merge it into firefox-developer 2) Delete firefox-dev, keep firefox-developer and hope the new maintainer provides a release as soon as it comes out 3) Delete firefox-developer and change the way the releases are rolled out 4) Keep everything as is, and let the user choose if they want rolling out releases, or a more "stable" approach 5) ???
Please note that `firefox-dev-ru` follows my same principle, and also note that by searching for firefox-dev* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=firefox-dev half of the results are packages that aren't updated.
Keep also in mind that now the firefox-developer package has got a new maintainer, but has been updated to the newest 57.0a1.20170830-1 version, which isn't officially rolled out yet.
I hope this message explains my reasons behind the choices of the firefox-dev package - I was (and still am) just trying to improve the Firefox Developer AUR experience.
On 30. 08. 17 19:31, John D Jones III wrote:
On 8/28/17 13:54, notify@aur.archlinux.org wrote:
jnbek [1] filed a deletion request for firefox-dev [2]:
This package has been a hostile attempt at taking control of the formerly my firefox-developer PKGBUILD, which is built by strict standards for Mozilla software. This PKGBUILD autoupdates willy nilly without any hands on checks to ensure everything went well.
[1] https://aur.archlinux.org/account/jnbek/ [2] https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/firefox-dev/
It's also worth noting that the firefox-dev PKGBUILD was already deleted from the AUR and denvit readded it anyways.
On 8/30/17 14:32, Denys Vitali wrote:
If the package needs to be deleted, go on. Do it. If we have to fill up a mailing list just for this, it would be better to just delete the package.
The package was reuploaded automatically, because I dindn't turn off the auto-maintainer once the first package deletion happened. I then stopped once the package was deleted for the second time.
I proceeded to add the package again when I noticed that jnbek https://aur.archlinux.org/account/jnbek was one version behind, despite the numerous complains about the package not being updated.
Look, if you guys don't want an automatically updated package, it's okay. I'm not getting paid from nobody to keep it up and running. My only goal was to provide a reliable AUR package for the Firefox Developer Edition - I never intended to break any rule, nor to turn the whole AUR community against me.
It is up to you, the sources for the auto-maintainer are here https://github.com/denysvitali/aur-firefox-dev-automaintainer, the package itself is reliable.
Sure, in the an "hands on check to ensure everything went well" before publishing it is not performed (because yeah, it is automaintained), but in 36 releases I never really needed to do anything, and there was no problem at all.
I guess the choice now is the following:
- Keep firefox-dev and merge it into firefox-developer
- Delete firefox-dev, keep firefox-developer and hope the new
maintainer provides a release as soon as it comes out 3) Delete firefox-developer and change the way the releases are rolled out 4) Keep everything as is, and let the user choose if they want rolling out releases, or a more "stable" approach 5) ???
Please note that `firefox-dev-ru` follows my same principle, and also note that by searching for firefox-dev* https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=firefox-dev half of the results are packages that aren't updated.
Keep also in mind that now the firefox-developer package has got a new maintainer, but has been updated to the newest 57.0a1.20170830-1 version, which isn't officially rolled out yet.
I hope this message explains my reasons behind the choices of the firefox-dev package - I was (and still am) just trying to improve the Firefox Developer AUR experience.
On 30. 08. 17 19:31, John D Jones III wrote:
Thank you for the clarification Denys. I respect and appreciate your passion for wanting the firefox-developer PKGBUILD to be the best it can be. As for my abrupt cessation of daily updates to the package, between the two major spinal surgeries then the failure of not one, not two, but three build servers in a 3 week period ( old hardware/drives collected from my day job's out of warranty pile ) made maintaining firefox-developer no longer feasible, which is why I went ahead and orphaned the pkg so someone with more time and a nice working system could resume updates.
That said, what I propose is, since firefox-developer is closest to the correct naming convention set by both AUR and Mozilla, I propose we merge denvit's firefox-dev into firefox-developer and see how the new maintainer does with it.
Lastly, as for the rest of my pkgbuilds, I'm building my AUR server on a dedicated hosting platform, let them screw with worrying about drives, hardware, yadda yadda and I hope to have it working this weekend. I've grown tired of hosting as many services at home as I currently do... (cross y'all's fingers yo )
I meant to send the below message using this account as to get this onto the list, but I sent it from my personal account, not my mailing list account. AUR TU's please find my message and suggestions below:
On 8/30/17 14:46, John D Jones III wrote:
Thank you for the clarification Denys. I respect and appreciate your passion for wanting the firefox-developer PKGBUILD to be the best it can be. As for my abrupt cessation of daily updates to the package, between the two major spinal surgeries then the failure of not one, not two, but three build servers in a 3 week period ( old hardware/drives collected from my day job's out of warranty pile ) made maintaining firefox-developer no longer feasible, which is why I went ahead and orphaned the pkg so someone with more time and a nice working system could resume updates.
That said, what I propose is, since firefox-developer is closest to the correct naming convention set by both AUR and Mozilla, I propose we merge denvit's firefox-dev into firefox-developer and see how the new maintainer does with it.
Lastly, as for the rest of my pkgbuilds, I'm building my AUR server on a dedicated hosting platform, let them screw with worrying about drives, hardware, yadda yadda and I hope to have it working this weekend. I've grown tired of hosting as many services at home as I currently do... (cross y'all's fingers yo )
Request #8874 has been accepted by Alad [1].
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