On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:49 AM, Xyne<xyne@archlinux.ca> wrote:

On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:20:03 +0200 Xavier <shiningxc@gmail.com> wrote:

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I have a preliminary patch for this. I am not really happy with the C code I wrote for doing the substitutions, but it works.

Does it make any sense to have this for -R and -U operations ? I implemented that but I don't really see any utility so I wanted to drop it.

I think it makes sense for -R at the moment. It would also make sense for -U if -U could handle dependency resolution. If you have working code then I think you should just leave it in for now as it will be good to have later.

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Final concern : do you think this feature is useful when pacman asks questions and prints a lot of stuff before the actual output ? For many operations, the output is quite crap, and I don't know how to fix this.

$ pacman -Rc --print gtk2

Remove (14): tango-icon-theme-0.8.1-1  midori-0.1.9-1  firefox-3.5.2-1  xulrunner-1.9.1.2-1  wireshark-1.2.1-1  mtr-0.75-4 libwebkit-1.1.10-2  libsoup-2.26.3-1  libunique-1.0.8-1 gconf-2.26.2-2  emacs-23.1-3  librsvg-2.26.0-1  audacious-2.1-1 gtk2-2.16.5-1

Total Removed Size:   279.73 MB

Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] tango-icon-theme 0.8.1-1 midori 0.1.9-1 firefox 3.5.2-1 xulrunner 1.9.1.2-1

$ pacman -S --print base base package not found, searching for group... :: group base (including ignored packages):     acl  attr  bash  binutils  bzip2  coreutils  cpio  cracklib cryptsetup  dash  db  dbus-core  dcron  device-mapper  dhcpcd  dialog diffutils  e2fsprogs  file  filesystem  findutils  gawk  gcc-libs gdbm  gen-init-cpio  gettext  glibc  grep  groff  grub  gzip  hdparm initscripts  iputils  jfsutils  kbd  kernel-headers  kernel26 kernel26-firmware  klibc  klibc-extras  klibc-kbd klibc-module-init-tools  klibc-udev  less  libarchive  libfetch libgcrypt  libgpg-error  libpcap  libusb  licenses  logrotate  lvm2 lzo2  mailx  man-db  man-pages  mdadm  mkinitcpio  mlocate module-init-tools  nano  ncurses  net-tools  pacman  pacman-mirrorlist  pam  pciutils  pcmciautils  pcre  perl  popt  ppp  procinfo  procps psmisc  readline  reiserfsprogs  rp-pppoe  sdparm  sed  shadow sysfsutils  syslog-ng  sysvinit  tar  tcp_wrappers  texinfo  tzdata udev  usbutils  util-linux-ng  vi  wget  which  wpa_supplicant xfsprogs  zlib :: Install whole content? [Y/n] kernel-headers 2.6.30.5-1 tzdata 2009l-1 glibc 2.10.1-4 attr 2.4.43-1 acl 2.2.47-2 ncurses 5.7-2

Hmmmm... that's a good point. It might seem superfluous but I think it's good to keep that. It would enable scripts to handle the dialogue through a pipe and then easily parse the output so I see a utility in it. It would probably be less useful for the user directly though, but even then it would be interesting for some dialogues to see which dependencies some of the group members will pull in (or cascadingly remove). Consider the DE groups for example. They should pull in other packages that are not part of the group dialogue.

That does not go well with my idea that print operations should imply noconfirm though (see attached patch and commit log). I guess this requires further thinking and discussion. I also forgot to mention that I don't like the group interactivity , but that is another problem.