On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 10:16:19PM +0100, Michael Towers wrote:

Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Dec 8, 2007 11:04 AM, Michael Towers wrote:

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Since the addition of xf86-video-intel it has become impossible to install the xorg-video-drivers group via the group name (because of the conflict with xf86-video-i810).

I guess there is no guideline outlawing this - I suppose something like this could, theoretically, happen more often. But it is a bit annoying when doing installations which are supposed to run on various machines.

I don't want to make a request or anything here - I don't know what I could ask for. I just thought I'd point it out.

Hmmm, I'd say in cases like this we pick one that we prefer, and keep that in the group. /me shrugs

Maybe FR that regarding these two drivers and we can see how Alex feels about it?

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8874

Why can't we do pacman -S xorg-video-drivers --ignore xf86-video-i810 ? Though, it's probably a bad idea to put conflicting packages in the same group in the first place, but still.. Suppose "target" is part of "group", and target is in IgnorePkg, it might make sense that : * pacman -S group doesn't install target * pacman -S target installs target (because explictly asked) Anyway, here is a sample session, how I like them (it may have been mentioned already, but I don't remember where) :

sudo pacman -S xorg-video-drivers :: group xorg-video-drivers: xf86-video-intel :: Install whole content? [Y/n] :: group xorg-video-drivers: xf86-video-amd xf86-video-apm xf86-video-ark xf86-video-ati xf86-video-chips xf86-video-cirrus xf86-video-dummy xf86-video-fbdev xf86-video-glint xf86-video-i128 xf86-video-i740 xf86-video-i810 xf86-video-imstt xf86-video-intel xf86-video-mga xf86-video-neomagic xf86-video-nv xf86-video-radeonhd xf86-video-rendition xf86-video-s3 xf86-video-s3virge xf86-video-savage xf86-video-siliconmotion xf86-video-sis xf86-video-sisusb xf86-video-tdfx xf86-video-trident xf86-video-tseng xf86-video-unichrome xf86-video-v4l xf86-video-vesa xf86-video-vga xf86-video-via xf86-video-vmware xf86-video-voodoo :: Install whole content? [Y/n] warning: xf86-video-intel-2.1.1-3 is up to date -- reinstalling warning: xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0-5 is up to date -- reinstalling resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... error: unresolvable package conflicts detected error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies) :: xf86-video-intel: conflicts with xf86-video-i810

Ok, xf86-video-i810 is not a conflict, so we won't ask the whole content next time.

sudo pacman -S xorg-video-drivers :: group xorg-video-drivers: xf86-video-intel :: Install whole content? [Y/n] :: group xorg-video-drivers: xf86-video-amd xf86-video-apm xf86-video-ark xf86-video-ati xf86-video-chips xf86-video-cirrus xf86-video-dummy xf86-video-fbdev xf86-video-glint xf86-video-i128 xf86-video-i740 xf86-video-i810 xf86-video-imstt xf86-video-intel xf86-video-mga xf86-video-neomagic xf86-video-nv xf86-video-radeonhd xf86-video-rendition xf86-video-s3 xf86-video-s3virge xf86-video-savage xf86-video-siliconmotion xf86-video-sis xf86-video-sisusb xf86-video-tdfx xf86-video-trident xf86-video-tseng xf86-video-unichrome xf86-video-v4l xf86-video-vesa xf86-video-vga xf86-video-via xf86-video-vmware xf86-video-voodoo :: Install whole content? [Y/n] n :: Install xf86-video-amd from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-apm from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-ark from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-ati from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-chips from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-cirrus from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-dummy from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-fbdev from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-glint from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-i128 from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-i740 from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-i810 from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] n :: Install xf86-video-imstt from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-intel from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-mga from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-neomagic from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-nv from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-radeonhd from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-rendition from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-s3 from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-s3virge from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-savage from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-siliconmotion from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-sis from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-sisusb from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-tdfx from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-trident from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-tseng from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-unichrome from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-v4l from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-vesa from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-vga from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-via from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-vmware from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n] :: Install xf86-video-voodoo from group xorg-video-drivers? [Y/n]

warning: xf86-video-intel-2.1.1-3 is up to date -- reinstalling warning: xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0-5 is up to date -- reinstalling resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... error: unresolvable package conflicts detected error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies) :: xf86-video-unichrome: conflicts with xf86-video-via Oh no, I have to start everything again. Seriously, how practical is that? Personally, I never used it, and I don't see the point of this interactivity. I just do pacman -S group, I have a look at all the targets it wants to pull. And then, either I accept, or I refuse, and I run pacman -S again by picking the few targets I want manually. But if instead of only picking a few targets, you just want to exclude a few ones, then IgnorePkg should probably apply here. What do you think? There might be some important and common use cases I'm forgetting, which is why I bring this up here for discussion.