[arch-dev-public] Inetutils cleanup

Eric Bélanger snowmaniscool at gmail.com
Mon Apr 23 20:06:49 EDT 2012

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Eric Bélanger <snowmaniscool at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Jan de Groot <jan at jgc.homeip.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:25 +0200, Florian Pritz wrote:
>>> On 19.04.2012 10:56, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>>>> On Apr 19, 2012 10:37 AM, "Thomas Bächler" <thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>> Am 18.04.2012 21:20, schrieb Eric Bélanger:
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Currently, the inetutils packages provide the old unsecure r* family
>>>>> > of tools. There is currently a bug report [1] asking for the removal
>>>>> > of rexec as it it particularly unsecure. As these things are old and I
>>>>> > suppose everyone has moved to more secure apps like ssh/sftp, I'm
>>>>> > thinking about removing all these r* tools.
>>>>> Just because they're insecure doesn't mean we shouldn't provide them.
>>>>> There are probably enough people that use this, and it is their choice.
>>>> There's always the AUR...
>>> So we should put shadow and sshd into the AUR because the user could
>>> enable sshd with simple password authentication (our default), create an
>>> account called "test", set it's password to "test" and forget about it?
>>> Most systems are behind a NAT router or hopefully at least a simple
>>> stateful firewall so even if someone enables rexec you can't connect to
>>> it from the outside. If you don't trust your LAN you are likely already
>>> screwed anyway.
>> The problem with rexec is that it contains a remote root exploit because you
>> can just login with any password. This has been known for a long while and
>> nobody upstream cares about it. If nobody cares about a serious security bug
>> like this, then this software should not be in core.
> Exactly. That's the main motive behing the bug report. If removing all
> the r* tools is too drastic, I could instead only remove rexec/rexecd
> and keep the others in the package. Would that be a better solution?

I'll wait a couple of days and if there's no more input, I'll remove
rexec/rexecd and domainname and keep the rest of the binaries in the
package as it seem to be a good compromise.

>> As for telnet/telnetd: if you don't care about encryption you should be able
>> to set that up. AFAIK telnetd doesn't allow you to login with any password,
>> so there's no reason to remove telnetd from inetutils.
> Yes, I didn't want to got too far in the cleanup.  That's why I kept
> things like telnet, ftp and talk even though most people probably use
> ssh/sftp and IRC/Jabber.
> Eric

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