[arch-general] [arch-dev-public] pkgstats: first results

[Hubert Grzeskowiak]

Dieter Plaetinck schrieb:
> Hubert Grzeskowiak wrote:
>> Charly Ghislain wrote:
>>   
>>> On Monday 10 November 2008 08:21:38 RedShift wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Just a warning, generalizing based on these numbers (and on any numbers in
>>>> fact) is very dangerous.
>>>>       
>>> I agree.
>>> The fact that data comes from users who volontary installed the pkgstat 
>>> package make the results biased.
>>> The best 'statistical' way should be including this in pacman, whithout asking 
>>> user for permission to submit. 
>>> The best etical way shoud be the same, but asking user for permission before 
>>> submitting anything.
>>>
>>> Anyway, those results are really interesting !
>>>
>>> Charly
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> a pacman which sends informations home - unasked?! are you serious? that
>> would be a data privacy horror! i don't want to have to observe pacman's
>> traffic the whole time fearing leaks. a feature/bug like that would
>> rather raise a huge scandal than appreciation. i have no doubt on this.
>>
>> an effort on trying to collect helpful data from users (or at least
>> those who want to do so) was pkgstat, which is currently heavy
>> discussed, as you surely have noticed.
>>
>> regards
>> Hubert Grzeskowiak
>>   
> Uhm... he said not asking for permission would be _purely statisticly_ 
> most valuable but he explicitly mentioned it would be more ethically
> correct to ask for permission.
> Dieter

already the idea of statistics made on top of users' unawareness is
unreasonable. and i think the best way is to not ask people, but offer
it to interested users, so that they can contribute if they feel the
wish, not if they don't care but feel forced.

critique or/and ideas are always welcome.

regards
Hubert Grzeskowiak