[arch-general] Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 00:03 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
> Aaron Griffin wrote:
> > If you have legitimate, actionable fixes for anything you take issue
> > with, please post them to the bug tracker. Until then, this is just
> > hot air.
> 
> I take that as an invite to post packages to the tracker that adhere to 
> the arch way. If this turns out to be another false promise, i will add 
> that to the next iteration.
> 
I'm not sure exactly what 'Arch Way' you're referring to here. I fail to
see any reference in http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way to
"The Arch Way means choosing against anything developed in the last
decade or so which doesn't conform to my idea of minimalism".

As I understand it properly, Arch provides a minimalist Base you can
then build on (or change as necessary). Build it up in a minimalist
manner, fine. Some of us prefer Gnome/KDE, and all the associated
'bloat', and posting up (for example) an xorg-server which would cripple
those packages (and probably necessitate xorg-server-hal to compensate)
is needlessly complicating things.

When I started on here the mantra was "Arch is what you make it".
Packagers strive to make packages which are as vanilla as possible
(without breaking) and provide the utility expected of such packages. Of
course, if you want a system without hal/dbus, there's ABS and AUR. I
don't see why your dislike of particular implementations implies that
every user of Arch should forgo those implementations.