[arch-general] [*] Re: conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

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On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 11:34 +0530, Piyush P Kurur wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote:
> > One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B should
> > not have feature X. If you don't want that, ABS is for that. There are
> > plenty of packages which have additional dependencies like that mplayer(like
> > smbclient) or vlc(hal :) or lua).
> >
> 	I don't think it is about not having a feature X. For example
> I think PnP is a worthwhile feature to have. But many do not like
> hal/dbus. Again the counter argument is that disabling hal/dbus is
> just an additional line in xorg.conf. Point well taken but if we can
> compile xorg-server package without hal/dbus enabled and then
> whomsoever wants to use hal/dbus make a small change in xorg.conf to
> facilitate it (I dont know whether this is possible) I would prefer
> such an xorg-server. Again it is purely my preference. Such an
> xorg-server, I think will be both ``minimalist'' and ``featurefull''
> whatever those terms mean.

It is not possible to turn on features which aren't compiled in. I
presume you meant compiling it in but with it defaulting to not being
used. This would both not satisfy those who don't want dbus/hal in the
first place while also breaking those apps which DO need dbus/hal.

> > 
> > Finally, true anti-desktop is using lynx  or watching mplayer with ascii
> > renderer :) , all in virtual terminal(with directfb if required)
> > 
> 
>   Yes many prefer lynx/w3m/elinks/edbrowse over other webbrowsers. But
> saying that anti-desktop means mplayer with ascii is just streatching
> it a bit too much. If you use screen + xterm + xmonad then you will, I
> hope, see the advantage of not using gnome/kde.
> 
Anti-desktop, as a movement, is well and good. Linux is about choice,
after all. Not restraining choice. Hence why its counter-productive for
'anti-desktop' followers to insist that those who don't agree with them
be disadvantaged.