[arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?

pyther pyther at pyther.net
Fri May 7 12:08:39 EDT 2010

On 05/07/2010 11:54 AM, Nathan Wayde wrote:
> On 07/05/10 15:48, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote:
>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held<mail at hehejo.de>  wrote:
>>> http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/
>>> * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim 
>>> conflicts
>>>   with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and 
>>> gvim
>>>   separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs 
>>> vim as
>>> well.
>>> -- 
>>> Gruß, Johannes
>>> http://hehejo.de
>> This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be 
>> updating
>> regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are
>> worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML,
>> forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update
>> regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper 
>> arch
>> maintenance would ensure that they never come up.
> Really dude? you complain about him wasting time when you could find 
> the time to dig up some old mail that was answered ages ago to attack 
> the guy for asking questions?
He didn't have to lookup anything. This is likely the 2-3rd time that he 
has asked about stuff that has been covered in the news or extensively 
on the forums and what not. David Rankin posts the most new topics on 
this list, many of which, are elementary and/or off-topic and belong to 
the forums.
> I'm sure we can all agree that it's important for an Arch user to be 
> more independent and put more effort into solving our own problem but 
> did you know you can simply ignore any of these questions?
Post on the forum, that is why it exists. Arch-general is generally 
aimed for more advance issues that haven't been covered else where. The 
mailing list should have a much higher technical level than the forums.
> It doesn't take any effort since the bulk of the issue was already in 
> the title.
It wastes my bandwidth and results in more crap to filter out.
> To be honest I simply cannot take this kind of negativity. I would 
> really like for this kind of attitude to stay away from Arch because 
> it's not nice and it's the very thing I hate about the Linux community 
> in general.
This is the attitude that has made arch the way it is. It's all these 
new comers from "soft" distros that are trying to change it. Back in 05 
and 06 it was common place to receive a google link for a question like 
this. Is their a limit, of course, but arch is not the distro to sugar 
coat and hold peoples hands! Don't like it start a fork! If start 
letting arch become a easy entry distro then we'll end up with another 
ubuntu, fedora, suse, etc...

@David Rankin
1. Update regularly - at least one time a week
2.1. Subscribe to arch-announce
2.2. http://www.archlinux.org/feeds/news/
2.3. Set http;//home.archlinux.ca as you homepage
3. Google whenever you have a problem
4. For stuff not directly related to arch, aka a problem with a package, 
cool themes, etc... post in the forums. It is a much more open environment.

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