From mkakati2805 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 00:12:14 2010
From: mkakati2805 at gmail.com (Madhurya Kakati)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:42:14 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Monitor not going to "power save" mode in suspend
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinzReASgcLFJ5vah4f6ZWBxzhs6W+K=0jodPqFp@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am using pm-utils to suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk. In both the
> suspends my LCD monitor goes black but doesn't go to the "power save
> mode" i.e the light doesn't turn orange. This happens only in
> archlinux though. On Windows when i standby (suspend) the monitor
> properly goes to "power save mode". Also in both the OS I can't wake
> up from suspend-to-ram by pressing any key on the key board or moving
> the mouse. I have to press the power on button on the CPU cabinet. I
> guess theres a BIOS setting to enable that but i can't seem to find
> it. Please tell me how to solve both the problems. My motherboard
> model is Biostar TA785G3 HD and BIOS is AMI BIOS.
> Thanks.
>

Is anyone going to help??? :(

From jan at jgc.homeip.net  Fri Oct  1 03:42:55 2010
From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:42:55 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] xorg 1.9 breaks
In-Reply-To: <4CA53CD4.2030106@gmail.com>
References: <4CA503F2.3060200@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTina2XPL-gz+db0t=y+prX_3s0R2SctSwHK=WfhT@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA53CD4.2030106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285918975.2669.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 04:43 +0300, kurrata wrote:
> Or we could just add conflict in pacman output if person has nvidia 
> driver and stoping the upgrade. Or just write warning message that
> the 
> new xorg doesn't support nvidia 173xx drivers and will result with
> break.
> That way others could upgrade to the new xorg and nvidia users
> wouldn't 
> break their machine 

I removed that from xorg-server 1.9, simply because it's unmaintainable
that way. I can't remember each and every driver that doesn't work with
a new xorg-server version, and I don't have all the hardware to try that
either.
When we dropped catalyst, we added a versioned conflict on the released
driver at that time. That appeared to work fine... until AMD released a
newer version that STILL doesn't support the new Xorg server. The same
thing will happen with Nvidia if we start doing that.


From aspamkiller at yandex.ru  Fri Oct  1 03:54:54 2010
From: aspamkiller at yandex.ru (D.P.)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:54:54 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Xorg 1.9 - This traing is going to hell.
In-Reply-To: <20100930174245.GA10006@laptop>
References: <20100930155123.GA7477@laptop>
	<20100930203221.308a75af.aspamkiller@yandex.ru>
	<20100930174245.GA10006@laptop>
Message-ID: <20101001105454.507a7725.aspamkiller@yandex.ru>

Thank you a lot, Fess, it works well now (-:

//Dima

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:42:45 +0400
Fess <killall_humans at lavabit.com> wrote:

> On 20:32 Thu 30 Sep , D.P. wrote:
> > i686 on MSI laptop, nVidia Corporation C51 [GeForce Go 6100] + AMD chipset Athlon64.
> > 
> > Synaptics works well, but all additional keys don`t work - like Alt, Ctrl, Win etc.
> > 
> > Tryed all variations of xorg.conf found in the net and without xorg.conf, but nothing good is happened.
> > 
> > //Dima
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:51:23 +0400
> > Fess <killall_humans at lavabit.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, i think, i should say some words.
> > > But some of you will say that i'm "out of line".
> > > So, i'll just dicribe details of the update.
> 
> 
> Try /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
> Clean your xorg.conf and add your preferences to this file(for keyboard). 
> You need to copy only options, and this will be something like that:
> 
> Section "InputClass"
>         Identifier "evdev keyboard catchall"
>         MatchIsKeyboard "on"
>         MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
>         Driver    "evdev"
>         Option    "XkbRules"       "xorg"
>         Option    "XkbLayout"      "us,ru"
>         Option    "XkbOptions"     "grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:caps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,compose:menu"
> EndSection
> 
> -- 
> 

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Fri Oct  1 04:36:42 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:36:42 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] [community] package needs rebuilding, bug report?
In-Reply-To: <1285889274.26423.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1285886278.6087.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4CA511C7.4030806@archlinux.org>
	<1285889274.26423.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4CA59D9A.6000900@archlinux.org>

On 10/01/2010 02:27 AM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 01:40 +0300, Ionu? B?ru wrote:
>> On 10/01/2010 01:37 AM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> With the move of [gnome-unstable] stuff to [testing], some [community]
>>> packages (gnome-media-pulse, gnome-settings-daemon-pulse) are
>>> out-of-date, others (xiphos) no longer run due to depending on earlier
>>> versions of libs. Is that bug-report worthy, or can I assume the
>>> maintainers are aware?
>>>
>>
>>
>> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21004
>>
>
> Thanks wonder. So can I assume lib-related-rebuilds should be
> bug-reported?
>

definitely

-- 
Ionu?

From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 06:06:47 2010
From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:06:47 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Booting Arch under Xen via pv-grub. Was: Re:
 [signoff] kernel26 2.6.35.7-1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=69DbqXi5BSzVGt0J4ufVNrxAnXp8ffOo_r3Sz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=odWGTLc0iB1Q8B6z62OWoqJeykRCMizRsG3Q=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikBx-dV_dNDVJtXffkzDdCG5q8uGPBvdZoV68wB@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ce5qE0qDeL2Ns+WS0CMo+bybq1Zsdrb4TyG7j@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=69DbqXi5BSzVGt0J4ufVNrxAnXp8ffOo_r3Sz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-V0QL-caacqGV_RvSVC0cwJ4XXNociyiOv+2t@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 18:16, Liu Yu Fei, Eric
<hoveringnowings at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are you building your own kernel? These files are in the Arch stock
>> kernel package:
> no..I am using the stock kernel i686

There are no Xen modules in i686 package.
Not sure if it is intentional or not.

P.S.: please avoid top posting.

-- 
Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????)

From stefanwilkens at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 07:09:08 2010
From: stefanwilkens at gmail.com (Stefan Erik Wilkens)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:09:08 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] xorg 1.9 breaks
In-Reply-To: <4CA53CD4.2030106@gmail.com>
References: <4CA503F2.3060200@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTina2XPL-gz+db0t=y+prX_3s0R2SctSwHK=WfhT@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA53CD4.2030106@gmail.com>
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2010/10/1 kurrata <kurrata at gmail.com>:
> ?On 10/01/10 01:27, Stefan Erik Wilkens wrote:
>>
>> 2010/9/30 kurrata<kurrata at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> ?latest xorg update (1.9) ?breaks it with nvidia-173xx drivers
>>> (173.14.27-3).
>>> Easy fix, just install previouse xorg
>>>
>> AFAIK, current nvidia xorg support is as such:
>> 96.xx range -> ?up to xserver 1.7, no mention of updating.
>> 173xx range -> ?up to xserver 1.8, 1.9 support is in the pipeline
>> nvidia range -> ?*
>>
>> yesterday, nvidia has confirmed that the 173xx range's support for
>> xserver 1.9x is currently in the testing phase:
>> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2325998
>>
>> so perhaps wait for the 173 range to actually support the new xserver :)
>>
> Or we could just add conflict in pacman output if person has nvidia driver
> and stoping the upgrade. Or just write warning message that the new xorg
> doesn't support nvidia 173xx drivers and will result with break.
> That way others could upgrade to the new xorg and nvidia users wouldn't
> break their machine
>

breakage is expected with arch, we've been lucky that nvidia has been
keeping legacy drivers up to date with xsever over the last few major
changes and we'll simply have to wait for them to catch up now :) As
said on the link I gave previously, the legacy driver is undergoing
testing for 1.9, it can't be too long now.

it seems non-arch to hold the user by the hand while the answer to
possible breakage was literally one google away.

and then there's the obvious issues this will bring when somebody
forgets to properly update the list of excludes.. added man hours,
more breakage due to improper lists and mass confusion about the state
of drivers... though that may sound a little more apocalyptic than
intended.

From vir.found at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 07:21:24 2010
From: vir.found at gmail.com (Evgeny Burmentyev)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:21:24 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Xorg 1.9 - This train is going to hell.
Message-ID: <20101001112124.GA6084@arch>

As for me, I didn't even notice, that something changed with 1.8 -> 1.9
upgrade. Everything was working, works and hopefully will be working as
intended. From performance demanding things I use mplayer (1920x1080
videos through HDMI on my big TV screen), psx emulator and perhaps
something else. No performance decrease detected.
I use Lenovo Thinkpad SL500 with Intel GMA 4500MHD.

From facundo at esdebian.org  Fri Oct  1 07:27:22 2010
From: facundo at esdebian.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Facundo_Andr=C3=A9s_Bianco?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:27:22 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Monitor not going to "power save" mode in suspend
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jLkWcOOWV4b9wAmxnm8vQAdzA7-1XdWVpSQ2K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinzReASgcLFJ5vah4f6ZWBxzhs6W+K=0jodPqFp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=jLkWcOOWV4b9wAmxnm8vQAdzA7-1XdWVpSQ2K@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/10/1 Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805 at gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am using pm-utils to suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk. In both the
>> suspends my LCD monitor goes black but doesn't go to the "power save
>> mode" i.e the light doesn't turn orange. This happens only in
>> archlinux though. On Windows when i standby (suspend) the monitor
>> properly goes to "power save mode". Also in both the OS I can't wake
>> up from suspend-to-ram by pressing any key on the key board or moving
>> the mouse. I have to press the power on button on the CPU cabinet. I
>> guess theres a BIOS setting to enable that but i can't seem to find
>> it. Please tell me how to solve both the problems. My motherboard
>> model is Biostar TA785G3 HD and BIOS is AMI BIOS.
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Is anyone going to help??? :(
>


Arch's wiki is your friend:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pm-utils and
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Shutdown_Pressing_Power_Button


-- 
Facundo Andr?s Bianco (Vando.)
GNUPG ID: 0x89C1B42F
omb: identi.ca/vando

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct  1 09:52:24 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:52:24 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Monitor not going to "power save" mode in suspend
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jLkWcOOWV4b9wAmxnm8vQAdzA7-1XdWVpSQ2K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinzReASgcLFJ5vah4f6ZWBxzhs6W+K=0jodPqFp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=jLkWcOOWV4b9wAmxnm8vQAdzA7-1XdWVpSQ2K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CA5E798.9080703@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 09/30/2010 11:12 PM, Madhurya Kakati wrote:
> Is anyone going to help??? :(

I don't have the answer, but I can confirm that I have seen this behavior
several times over the past 3-4 kernels. The current kernel is OK with the
nvidia, radeon and intel gpus on my boxes. But a couple of kernels ago I was
having to turn off the LCD displays because they would go blank but not black
(unpowered).

Good Luck.

-- 
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Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
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From forum at b1online.de  Fri Oct  1 12:32:50 2010
From: forum at b1online.de (b1)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:32:50 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problems mountig ftp/smb via gvfs
In-Reply-To: <1285824770.3959.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1285793077.2908.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20100930002210.GA12430@Birdhost.jwbirdsong.homelinux.com>
	<1285824770.3959.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1285950770.4285.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 07:32 +0200, b1 wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 18:22 -0600, J. W. Birdsong wrote:
> > On 09/29/10 at 10:44pm, b1 wrote:
> > > Hello altogether
> > > 
> > > Today I ran into the following problem:
> > > When I try to connect to an ftp Server via the "connect to Server
> > > Dialog" in Nautilus, the ftp Server gets mounted. Unfortunatelly there
> > > are no files in the newly created mountpoint. I also looked manually in
> > > the .gvfs/FTPSERVERNAME/ Directory and it is empty. 
> > > 
> > > However trying to access the ftp-Server via filezilla (an ftp programm),
> > > works fine. 
> > > 
> > > The exactly same issue comes up, if I try to connect to a Windows-Share.
> > > A mountpoint is created, but its empty.
> > > 
> > > Nautilus shows no error message and I have no idea of how to solve this.
> > > 
> > > Any help is appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > 
> > > Benedikt
> > 
> > Patch/fix for this bug found https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20724 
> 
> Thanks for your answer. Unfortunatelly this hasn`t solved my problem.
> After downgrading ssh, I still have the same issue. After mounting the
> network share / ftp-Server the mount point is still completly empty. 
> 
> Any ideas of how to troubleshoot this?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Benedikt
> 

Hello again

Now I have also tried downgrading .gvfs but no luck at all. Mounting ftp
or smb shares is still not working. The mountpoint is simply empty. 
I also tried to debug /usr/lib/gvfsd with strace, but couldn`t see
anything suspicious. Therefore my current guess is that gvfs-fuse deamon
is causing the problems. However I cant debug it with strace:

strace /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-fuse-daemon
[...]
write(2, "fuse: missing mountpoint paramet"..., 35fuse: missing
mountpoint parameter
) = 35
[...]

Any ideas of how to debug the fuse daemon? Or of how to fix the problem?

Thanks in advance

Benedikt





From christian08 at runbox.com  Fri Oct  1 18:15:18 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:15:18 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with keyboard in Gnome
Message-ID: <201010020015180046.003D429E@127.0.0.1>

Hi all,
I have got everything up and running, but I am having a problem.
I want to use the swedish keyboard layout in Gnome but what file to specify that in? In the console I have svlatin1 and country is sv_se.
Any tips?
Many thanks,
Christian


From jan.steffens at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 18:24:52 2010
From: jan.steffens at gmail.com (Jan Steffens)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 00:24:52 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with keyboard in Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010020015180046.003D429E@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010020015180046.003D429E@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimnEUVCikOZ2kTqupX5PHF-Rz1x81aqfL1GTaMa@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have got everything up and running, but I am having a problem.
> I want to use the swedish keyboard layout in Gnome but what file to specify that in? In the console I have svlatin1 and country is sv_se.
> Any tips?
> Many thanks,
> Christian

You can set the initial keyboard layout in gdm (at the bottom of the
screen), or (if you're already logged in), using System ? Preferences
? Keyboard.

From ml at sergej.pp.ru  Fri Oct  1 18:33:19 2010
From: ml at sergej.pp.ru (Sergej Pupykin)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 02:33:19 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Xorg 1.9 - This traing is going to hell.
In-Reply-To: <87lj6jryag.wl%sergej.pupykin@dsr-company.com>
References: <20100930155123.GA7477@laptop>
	<4CA4B554.5060303@gmail.com>	<20100930162530.GA14235@laptop>
	<87lj6jryag.wl%sergej.pupykin@dsr-company.com>
Message-ID: <4CA661AF.7080506@sergej.pp.ru>

  On 30.09.2010 20:28, Sergej Pupykin wrote:
> At Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:25:30 +0400,
> Fess<killall_humans at lavabit.com>  wrote:
>> Oh.. strange. Guys on i686 says, that everything is alright.
>> Guys on x86_64 says "oh no, it's crashing".
>> Strange.
> On my x86_64 Xorg exits unexpectedly at random time with "invalid
> framebuffer id" in dmesg. No additional messages in Xorg.0.log.
> (Radeon HD3450)
I downgraded Xorg on my machine to

warning: xf86-input-evdev: ignoring package upgrade (2.4.0-2 => 2.5.0-1)
warning: xf86-input-keyboard: ignoring package upgrade (1.4.0-2 => 1.4.0-3)
warning: xf86-input-mouse: ignoring package upgrade (1.5.0-2 => 1.6.0-1)
warning: xf86-video-fbdev: ignoring package upgrade (0.4.2-1 => 0.4.2-2)
warning: xf86-video-vesa: ignoring package upgrade (2.3.0-2 => 2.3.0-3)
warning: xorg-server: ignoring package upgrade (1.8.1.902-1 => 1.9.0-1)

and upgraded mesa to

warning: ati-dri: local (7.9_rc2-1) is newer than extra (7.8.2-3)
warning: libgl: local (7.9_rc2-1) is newer than extra (7.8.2-3)
warning: mesa: local (7.9_rc2-1) is newer than extra (7.8.2-3)

Now it works well. It seems there are too many problems with Xorg 1.9.

(I use video driver from xf86-video-ati-git package)

From christian08 at runbox.com  Fri Oct  1 18:42:49 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:42:49 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with keyboard in Gnome
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimnEUVCikOZ2kTqupX5PHF-Rz1x81aqfL1GTaMa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201010020015180046.003D429E@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTimnEUVCikOZ2kTqupX5PHF-Rz1x81aqfL1GTaMa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010020042490984.0056777F@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-02 at 00:24 Jan Steffens wrote:

>On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have got everything up and running, but I am having a problem.
>> I want to use the swedish keyboard layout in Gnome but what file to
>specify that in? In the console I have svlatin1 and country is sv_se.
>> Any tips?
>> Many thanks,
>> Christian
>
>You can set the initial keyboard layout in gdm (at the bottom of the
>screen), or (if you're already logged in), using System ??? Preferences
>??? Keyboard.

But that is not saved when I log out and restart the machine if I set it in system preferences.


From ulf at winkelvos.de  Fri Oct  1 18:56:58 2010
From: ulf at winkelvos.de (Ulf Winkelvos)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:56:58 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with keyboard in Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010020042490984.0056777F@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010020015180046.003D429E@127.0.0.1>	<AANLkTimnEUVCikOZ2kTqupX5PHF-Rz1x81aqfL1GTaMa@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010020042490984.0056777F@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <4CA6673A.9040401@winkelvos.de>

On 02.10.2010 00:42, Christian wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 2010-10-02 at 00:24 Jan Steffens wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have got everything up and running, but I am having a problem.
>>> I want to use the swedish keyboard layout in Gnome but what file to
>> specify that in? In the console I have svlatin1 and country is sv_se.
>>> Any tips?
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Christian
>>
>> You can set the initial keyboard layout in gdm (at the bottom of the
>> screen), or (if you're already logged in), using System ??? Preferences
>> ??? Keyboard.
>
> But that is not saved when I log out and restart the machine if I set it in system preferences.
>
>
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg.conf


Setting Keyboard Layout With Hot-Plugging
---
Section "InputClass"
     Identifier             "Keyboard Defaults"
     MatchIsKeyboard	   "yes"
     Option	           "XkbLayout" "de"
     Option	           "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
EndSection

that's working for me.

Cheers, Ulf

From guillaume.brunerie at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 04:52:32 2010
From: guillaume.brunerie at gmail.com (Guillaume Brunerie)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:52:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/2 Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org>

> Hi,
>
> I just pushed a new abs release to [testing].  The "major" changes are:
>  - use the tarball method for initial sync
>  - fix tarball method to work with $arch in mirrorlist
>  - updated prototypes for pacman-3.4
>  - addition of bzr prototype
>
> I will push it to [extra] if I hear about no breakages in the next day or
> two.


Hi,
It seems that the bzr prototype is not there:

$ pacman -Qi abs | grep Version
Version               : 2.4.0-1
$ pacman -Ql abs
abs /etc/
abs /etc/abs.conf
abs /usr/
abs /usr/bin/
abs /usr/bin/abs
abs /usr/bin/makeworld
abs /usr/share/
abs /usr/share/pacman/
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-cvs.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-darcs.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-git.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-gnome.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-haskell.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-hg.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-perl.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-rubygem.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-svn.proto
abs /usr/share/pacman/proto-gnome.install
abs /usr/share/pacman/proto-haskell.install
abs /usr/share/pacman/proto-info.install
abs /usr/share/pacman/rc-script.proto
abs /var/
abs /var/abs/
abs /var/abs/README
abs /var/abs/local/
$


Guillaume Brunerie

From allan at archlinux.org  Sat Oct  2 05:12:56 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:12:56 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>

On 02/10/10 18:52, Guillaume Brunerie wrote:
> 2010/10/2 Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just pushed a new abs release to [testing].  The "major" changes are:
>>   - use the tarball method for initial sync
>>   - fix tarball method to work with $arch in mirrorlist
>>   - updated prototypes for pacman-3.4
>>   - addition of bzr prototype
>>
>> I will push it to [extra] if I hear about no breakages in the next day or
>> two.
>
>
> Hi,
> It seems that the bzr prototype is not there:
>

Ah... crap!  I forgot to add it to the makefile...  I will fix that some 
time.

Allan

From mike at sambodata.com  Sat Oct  2 05:29:31 2010
From: mike at sambodata.com (Mike Sampson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:29:31 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2Qe0JEjf-Qqo8QQcSFv7mEN-it0ctwB4Nji-M@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 02/10/10 18:52, Guillaume Brunerie wrote:
>>
>> 2010/10/2 Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just pushed a new abs release to [testing]. ?The "major" changes are:
>>> ?- use the tarball method for initial sync
>>> ?- fix tarball method to work with $arch in mirrorlist
>>> ?- updated prototypes for pacman-3.4
>>> ?- addition of bzr prototype
>>>
>>> I will push it to [extra] if I hear about no breakages in the next day or
>>> two.
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> It seems that the bzr prototype is not there:
>>
>
> Ah... crap! ?I forgot to add it to the makefile... ?I will fix that some
> time.
>
> Allan
>

Slightly off topic. I always wondered why there wasn't a Python proto
PKGBUILD included in abs. There is one in the wiki[1] which I use when
I need it though it would be handy to have one included with the rest
of the prototypes. I can open a feature request for this unless there
is a reason why it is not included.

Regards,

Mike

From allan at archlinux.org  Sat Oct  2 06:55:52 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 20:55:52 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2Qe0JEjf-Qqo8QQcSFv7mEN-it0ctwB4Nji-M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>	<AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>	<4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTim2Qe0JEjf-Qqo8QQcSFv7mEN-it0ctwB4Nji-M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CA70FB8.1040604@archlinux.org>

On 02/10/10 19:29, Mike Sampson wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org>  wrote:
>> On 02/10/10 18:52, Guillaume Brunerie wrote:
>>>
>>> 2010/10/2 Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I just pushed a new abs release to [testing].  The "major" changes are:
>>>>   - use the tarball method for initial sync
>>>>   - fix tarball method to work with $arch in mirrorlist
>>>>   - updated prototypes for pacman-3.4
>>>>   - addition of bzr prototype
>>>>
>>>> I will push it to [extra] if I hear about no breakages in the next day or
>>>> two.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> It seems that the bzr prototype is not there:
>>>
>>
>> Ah... crap!  I forgot to add it to the makefile...  I will fix that some
>> time.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>
> Slightly off topic. I always wondered why there wasn't a Python proto
> PKGBUILD included in abs. There is one in the wiki[1] which I use when
> I need it though it would be handy to have one included with the rest
> of the prototypes. I can open a feature request for this unless there
> is a reason why it is not included.

It has never been added mainly because no-one ever asked or submitted a 
patch with one.

Allan



From mike at sambodata.com  Sat Oct  2 07:19:16 2010
From: mike at sambodata.com (Mike Sampson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:19:16 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <4CA70FB8.1040604@archlinux.org>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTim2Qe0JEjf-Qqo8QQcSFv7mEN-it0ctwB4Nji-M@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA70FB8.1040604@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6M0q1DgV8oxdV58JswbB_1ttZ=DACUOJnuwK5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 02/10/10 19:29, Mike Sampson wrote:
>>
[snip]
>>
>> Slightly off topic. I always wondered why there wasn't a Python proto
>> PKGBUILD included in abs. There is one in the wiki[1] which I use when
>> I need it though it would be handy to have one included with the rest
>> of the prototypes. I can open a feature request for this unless there
>> is a reason why it is not included.
>
> It has never been added mainly because no-one ever asked or submitted a
> patch with one.
>
> Allan

Should have guessed. :) As PERL is included it makes sense to me to
have Python included as well. I'll submit a feature request with a
patch for consideration.

Mike

From christian08 at runbox.com  Sat Oct  2 17:36:51 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 23:36:51 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Need help with compilation
Message-ID: <201010022336510796.0006282C@127.0.0.1>

Hi all,
I am trying to compile a package from source called BRLTTY. The current version that is in the repository is v4.1 so I looked in the PKGBUILD script and I installed the dependencies, but most of them were already installed when I installed the version that was in the repository.
But I am getting an error 2 when I run make after some time. Would anyone be interested in eventually trying compiling it?
Go to:
www.mielke.cc/brltty and download the new v4.2 release.
Many thanks for any help,
Christian


From lists at baums-on-web.de  Sat Oct  2 17:53:33 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:53:33 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Need help with compilation
In-Reply-To: <201010022336510796.0006282C@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010022336510796.0006282C@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20101002235333.3406ee85@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Sat, 02 Oct 2010 23:36:51 +0200
schrieb "Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:

> Hi all,
> I am trying to compile a package from source called BRLTTY. The
> current version that is in the repository is v4.1 so I looked in the
> PKGBUILD script and I installed the dependencies, but most of them
> were already installed when I installed the version that was in the
> repository. But I am getting an error 2 when I run make after some
> time. Would anyone be interested in eventually trying compiling it?
> Go to: www.mielke.cc/brltty and download the new v4.2 release. Many
> thanks for any help, Christian

You should go to http://www.archlinux.org/packages/ and flag it as
out-of-date.

Heiko

From kaz.rag at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 17:54:09 2010
From: kaz.rag at gmail.com (Kazuo Teramoto)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 18:54:09 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Need help with compilation
In-Reply-To: <201010022336510796.0006282C@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010022336510796.0006282C@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTingjDoA-zvsQO5iX29=W_FeV7HAmybPNpc5Pjjk@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am trying to compile a package from source called BRLTTY. The current version that is in the repository is v4.1 so I looked in the PKGBUILD script and I installed the dependencies, but most of them were already installed when I installed the version that was in the repository.
> But I am getting an error 2 when I run make after some time. Would anyone be interested in eventually trying compiling it?

Post the error. Someone can give you a solution without needing to
download and try to compile it.


-- 
?Dans la vie, rien n'est ? craindre, tout est ? comprendre?
Marie Sklodowska Curie.

From foutrelis at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 19:57:34 2010
From: foutrelis at gmail.com (Evangelos Foutras)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 02:57:34 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] packages are newer in extra
	than in staging
In-Reply-To: <4CA7BF1C.8010905@archlinux.org>
References: <4CA7BF1C.8010905@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-RRnOeBGOZ--=NWMzuCgxT8tHnzMwWLaayc-8@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Ionu? B?ru <ibiru at archlinux.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> some packages have been updated in extra and have been mark as done in the
> python todo list but they weren't rebuilt against staging.
>
> looking quick on the list, django (staging removed on 9 september)
>
> extra 1.2.3-1
> marked as done and nothing in staging.
>
> mercurial
> 1.6.4-1 in extra, 1.6.3-2 in staging
>
> please, check your packages again because i don't intent to fix any of this
> inconsistencies
>
> --
> Ionu?

I wrote a script [1] to check for packages in [staging] and
[community-staging] that are not newer than their [core], [extra] and
[community] counterparts.

So, below are a few more possibly problematic packages. mercurial
isn't included because the ABS tree hasn't been updated with it yet.

==> Checking [staging]
denyhosts          (2.6-4 isn't newer than 2.6-4 in [extra])
python-pip         (0.8-2 isn't newer than 0.8.1-1 in [extra])
python-virtualenv  (1.4.9-2 isn't newer than 1.5.1-1 in [extra])

==> Checking [community-staging]
cdemu-client       (1.2.0-2 isn't newer than 1.3.0-1 in [community])
griffith           (0.11-3 isn't newer than 0.11-3 in [community])
lilypond           (2.12.3-5 isn't newer than 2.12.3-6 in [community])
openshot           (1.2.2-1 isn't newer than 1.2.2-1 in [community])
python-sphinx      (1.0.3-2 isn't newer than 1.0.4-1 in [community])
recoll             (1.13.04-3 isn't newer than 1.14.2-1 in [community])
trac               (0.12-3 isn't newer than 0.12-4 in [community])

----
[1] http://gist.github.com/608121

From wolfgang at sweet-haven.com  Sat Oct  2 20:41:32 2010
From: wolfgang at sweet-haven.com (Lew Wolfgang)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:41:32 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
Message-ID: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>

  Hi Folks,

New Arch user here.   I really like it!  Another Arch user recommended it to me after 
I started noticing quality issues with another of the main distributions.

I'm currently working on a test install to see if Arch will function in a very 
restricted environment.  So far I've successfully installed KDE and configured for a 
true IPv6 network.  Yet to be done is support for Common Access Cards and their USB 
readers.  I've been having issues with pcscd but I'm not ready to ask for help yet.  
I also tried fake-raid but gave up in favor of the much simpler JBOD (two disks) config.

But I ran into a problem installing something called HBSS from McAfee.   This is a 
package for Windows that is nothing more than a root-kit that allows remote 
administrators to set policy, remove/block programs, report versions, etc.  
Unfortunately management mandates that non-Windows systems also run it.  So McAfee 
labored mightily and emitted a Java port of the Windows package that gives minimal 
reporting capabilities for Linux installs.  It works on all the major distros but 
fails to install on Arch due to an RPM dependency.  Their install script just fails 
saying it can't find rpm.  The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee 
proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.

So the question is:  can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?

Thanks for a great distro, and your wiki is amazing!  It's a little light on IPv6 
info, but I might be able to help there later.

Regards,
Lew Wolfgang


From jeremiah.dodds at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 21:04:43 2010
From: jeremiah.dodds at gmail.com (Jeremiah Dodds)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:04:43 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTingny6oxt-Vs4LnNKM70ZA+QoV7eM-RNrdGxzBa@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>wrote:

>
> So the question is:  can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>
>
 If you can get a hold of the rpm spec file, you could feed it to spec2arch
(from pkgtools), run makepkg -s on the resultant PKGBUILD, and modify their
script to use pacman -U /path/to/your/pkg instead of rpm.

From steven at too1337.com  Sat Oct  2 21:10:30 2010
From: steven at too1337.com (Steven Susbauer)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 20:10:30 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
Message-ID: <4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com>

On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>
> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?

Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants 
rpm to be there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no 
different except it is in aur:

aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
     The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.

If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the 
solution. Two package managers at once is not a good thing.

From allan at archlinux.org  Sat Oct  2 23:12:10 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:12:10 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6M0q1DgV8oxdV58JswbB_1ttZ=DACUOJnuwK5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>	<AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>	<4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>	<AANLkTim2Qe0JEjf-Qqo8QQcSFv7mEN-it0ctwB4Nji-M@mail.gmail.com>	<4CA70FB8.1040604@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTim6M0q1DgV8oxdV58JswbB_1ttZ=DACUOJnuwK5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CA7F48A.4000507@archlinux.org>

On 02/10/10 21:19, Mike Sampson wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org>  wrote:
>> On 02/10/10 19:29, Mike Sampson wrote:
>>>
> [snip]
>>>
>>> Slightly off topic. I always wondered why there wasn't a Python proto
>>> PKGBUILD included in abs. There is one in the wiki[1] which I use when
>>> I need it though it would be handy to have one included with the rest
>>> of the prototypes. I can open a feature request for this unless there
>>> is a reason why it is not included.
>>
>> It has never been added mainly because no-one ever asked or submitted a
>> patch with one.
>>
>> Allan
>
> Should have guessed. :) As PERL is included it makes sense to me to
> have Python included as well. I'll submit a feature request with a
> patch for consideration.
>

Here you go:
http://projects.archlinux.org/abs.git/commit/?id=90cbf6fc

Allan

From guillaume at alaux.net  Sun Oct  3 04:43:56 2010
From: guillaume at alaux.net (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:43:56 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <4CA7F48A.4000507@archlinux.org>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTim2Qe0JEjf-Qqo8QQcSFv7mEN-it0ctwB4Nji-M@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA70FB8.1040604@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTim6M0q1DgV8oxdV58JswbB_1ttZ=DACUOJnuwK5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA7F48A.4000507@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfTtUKjx-GxT4-3QwP=UfyDBXBQpNOzTBBxRyu@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 October 2010 05:12, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 02/10/10 21:19, Mike Sampson wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/10/10 19:29, Mike Sampson wrote:
>>>>
>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Slightly off topic. I always wondered why there wasn't a Python proto
>>>> PKGBUILD included in abs. There is one in the wiki[1] which I use when
>>>> I need it though it would be handy to have one included with the rest
>>>> of the prototypes. I can open a feature request for this unless there
>>>> is a reason why it is not included.
>>>
>>> It has never been added mainly because no-one ever asked or submitted a
>>> patch with one.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>
>> Should have guessed. :) As PERL is included it makes sense to me to
>> have Python included as well. I'll submit a feature request with a
>> patch for consideration.
>>
>
> Here you go:
> http://projects.archlinux.org/abs.git/commit/?id=90cbf6fc
>
> Allan
>

I don't know if you're still in the process of signing off:

Sign off x86_64

--
Guillaume

From mike at sambodata.com  Sun Oct  3 06:08:31 2010
From: mike at sambodata.com (Mike Sampson)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:08:31 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] abs-2.4.0-1
In-Reply-To: <4CA7F48A.4000507@archlinux.org>
References: <4CA6E0C4.7030709@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTimy9-62i2BUNa+xiOjSHYAOW8ok4OcJqia9xSHG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA6F798.80601@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTim2Qe0JEjf-Qqo8QQcSFv7mEN-it0ctwB4Nji-M@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA70FB8.1040604@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTim6M0q1DgV8oxdV58JswbB_1ttZ=DACUOJnuwK5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA7F48A.4000507@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikn8dFcuLwcgkjwC2KT_xBzmFG+OK69mqAmJdhL@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 02/10/10 21:19, Mike Sampson wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/10/10 19:29, Mike Sampson wrote:
>>>>
>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Slightly off topic. I always wondered why there wasn't a Python proto
>>>> PKGBUILD included in abs. There is one in the wiki[1] which I use when
>>>> I need it though it would be handy to have one included with the rest
>>>> of the prototypes. I can open a feature request for this unless there
>>>> is a reason why it is not included.
>>>
>>> It has never been added mainly because no-one ever asked or submitted a
>>> patch with one.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>
>> Should have guessed. :) As PERL is included it makes sense to me to
>> have Python included as well. I'll submit a feature request with a
>> patch for consideration.
>>
>
> Here you go:
> http://projects.archlinux.org/abs.git/commit/?id=90cbf6fc

Ahh, too fast. Next time I will just send in the patch. Much appreciated.

Mike

From guillaume at alaux.net  Sun Oct  3 08:12:13 2010
From: guillaume at alaux.net (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:12:13 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Need help with compilation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTingjDoA-zvsQO5iX29=W_FeV7HAmybPNpc5Pjjk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201010022336510796.0006282C@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTingjDoA-zvsQO5iX29=W_FeV7HAmybPNpc5Pjjk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=mspTrCcjMg2UGed1qDtOKo2OHp4ginh9uhvjk@mail.gmail.com>

On 2 October 2010 23:54, Kazuo Teramoto <kaz.rag at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am trying to compile a package from source called BRLTTY. The current version that is in the repository is v4.1 so I looked in the PKGBUILD script and I installed the dependencies, but most of them were already installed when I installed the version that was in the repository.
>> But I am getting an error 2 when I run make after some time. Would anyone be interested in eventually trying compiling it?
>
> Post the error. Someone can give you a solution without needing to
> download and try to compile it.
>
>
> --
> ?Dans la vie, rien n'est ? craindre, tout est ? comprendre?
> Marie Sklodowska Curie.
>

Hi Christian,

We updated the package to 4.2 (we had to add a patch that fixes the
compile error). You can get it from extra.

--
Guillaume

From christian08 at runbox.com  Sun Oct  3 11:57:25 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:57:25 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with keyboard in Gnome
In-Reply-To: <4CA6673A.9040401@winkelvos.de>
References: <201010020015180046.003D429E@127.0.0.1>
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Hi again,


On 2010-10-02 at 00:56 Ulf Winkelvos wrote:

>On 02.10.2010 00:42, Christian wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 2010-10-02 at 00:24 Jan Steffens wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com> 
>wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have got everything up and running, but I am having a problem.
>>>> I want to use the swedish keyboard layout in Gnome but what file to
>>> specify that in? In the console I have svlatin1 and country is sv_se.
>>>> Any tips?
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Christian
>>>
>>> You can set the initial keyboard layout in gdm (at the bottom of the
>>> screen), or (if you're already logged in), using System ????????
>Preferences
>>> ???????? Keyboard.
>>
>> But that is not saved when I log out and restart the machine if I set it
>in system preferences.
>>
>>
>http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg.conf
>
>
>Setting Keyboard Layout With Hot-Plugging
>---
>Section "InputClass"
>     Identifier             "Keyboard Defaults"
>     MatchIsKeyboard	   "yes"
>     Option	           "XkbLayout" "de"
>     Option	           "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
>EndSection
>
>that's working for me.
>
>Cheers, Ulf

Where to find the name for the Swedish keyboard layout?


From christian08 at runbox.com  Sun Oct  3 11:58:13 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:58:13 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Need help with compilation
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Hello,


On 2010-10-03 at 14:12 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:

>On 2 October 2010 23:54, Kazuo Teramoto <kaz.rag at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am trying to compile a package from source called BRLTTY. The current
>version that is in the repository is v4.1 so I looked in the PKGBUILD
>script and I installed the dependencies, but most of them were already
>installed when I installed the version that was in the repository.
>>> But I am getting an error 2 when I run make after some time. Would
>anyone be interested in eventually trying compiling it?
>>
>> Post the error. Someone can give you a solution without needing to
>> download and try to compile it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> ?Dans la vie, rien n'est ? craindre, tout est ? comprendre?
>> Marie Sklodowska Curie.
>>
>
>Hi Christian,
>
>We updated the package to 4.2 (we had to add a patch that fixes the
>compile error). You can get it from extra.
>
>--
>Guillaume

Many thanks, it worked!
Christian


From wolfgang at sweet-haven.com  Sun Oct  3 12:00:08 2010
From: wolfgang at sweet-haven.com (Lew Wolfgang)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com> <4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com>
Message-ID: <4CA8A888.8070008@sweet-haven.com>

  On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>
>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>
> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants rpm to be 
> there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in 
> aur:
>
> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>     The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>
> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the solution. Two 
> package managers at once is not a good thing.

I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a script that unzips a 
binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two 
cryptographic keys and an xml file.  The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm 
files, which contain tons of 32-bit system libraries.  These libraries have the same 
names as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This all 
makes me very nervous!  Arch not using rpm may be a blessing in disguise, I'm going 
to see if I can get a waiver to not install this McAfee root-kit.

Thanks for the help,
Lew


From guillaume at alaux.net  Sun Oct  3 12:08:47 2010
From: guillaume at alaux.net (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:08:47 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with keyboard in Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010031757250437.00051564@127.0.0.1>
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On 3 October 2010 17:57, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
>
> On 2010-10-02 at 00:56 Ulf Winkelvos wrote:
>
>>On 02.10.2010 00:42, Christian wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-10-02 at 00:24 Jan Steffens wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>
>>wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I have got everything up and running, but I am having a problem.
>>>>> I want to use the swedish keyboard layout in Gnome but what file to
>>>> specify that in? In the console I have svlatin1 and country is sv_se.
>>>>> Any tips?
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>> You can set the initial keyboard layout in gdm (at the bottom of the
>>>> screen), or (if you're already logged in), using System ????????
>>Preferences
>>>> ???????? Keyboard.
>>>
>>> But that is not saved when I log out and restart the machine if I set it
>>in system preferences.
>>>
>>>
>>http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg.conf
>>
>>
>>Setting Keyboard Layout With Hot-Plugging
>>---
>>Section "InputClass"
>> ? ? Identifier ? ? ? ? ? ? "Keyboard Defaults"
>> ? ? MatchIsKeyboard ? ? ?"yes"
>> ? ? Option ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "XkbLayout" "de"
>> ? ? Option ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
>>EndSection
>>
>>that's working for me.
>>
>>Cheers, Ulf
>
> Where to find the name for the Swedish keyboard layout?
>
>

Hi,

Correct me if I'm wrong but that should be something like the names of
these files

/usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-fi-ir209.map.gz
/usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-lat6.map.gz
/usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-fi-lat6.map.gz
/usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-ir209.map.gz

Maybe se-fi-ir209, se-lat6, se-fi-lat6 or se-ir209?

--
Guillaume

From gdamjan at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 13:02:04 2010
From: gdamjan at gmail.com (Damjan)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:02:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with keyboard in Gnome
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>> Where to find the name for the Swedish keyboard layout?
>>

> Correct me if I'm wrong but that should be something like the names of
> these files
>
> /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-fi-ir209.map.gz
> /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-lat6.map.gz
> /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-fi-lat6.map.gz
> /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-ir209.map.gz
>
> Maybe se-fi-ir209, se-lat6, se-fi-lat6 or se-ir209?

Those are for the Linux console, for X11 the files are in
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ and there you see a "se" file.

But really KDE and Gnome users have excelent GUI support for configuring 
the keyboard layout. Just use those.



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From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 14:07:20 2010
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:07:20 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
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	<4CA8A888.8070008@sweet-haven.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>wrote:

>  On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>
>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>
>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>
>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>>>
>>
>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants
>> rpm to be there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different
>> except it is in aur:
>>
>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>    The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>>
>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the
>> solution. Two package managers at once is not a good thing.
>>
>
> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a script
> that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one 32-bit ELF
> program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml file.  The script then
> calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which contain tons of 32-bit system
> libraries.  These libraries have the same names as regular system libs, like
> libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This all makes me very nervous!  Arch
> not using rpm may be a blessing in disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a
> waiver to not install this McAfee root-kit.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Lew
>
>
Can't you try to install only the program itself without these libraries ?
The libraries could be installable using pacman.


-- 
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From vratil at progdansoft.com  Sun Oct  3 14:11:49 2010
From: vratil at progdansoft.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Dan_Vr=C3=A1til?=)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:11:49 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA8A888.8070008@sweet-haven.com>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
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On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
<wolfgang at sweet-haven.com> wrote:
> On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>
>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>>
>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants rpm to be > there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in > aur:
>>
>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>     The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>>
>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the solution. Two > package managers at once is not a good thing.
> 
> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a
> script that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one
> 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml file. 
> The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which contain
> tons of 32-bit system libraries.  These libraries have the same names
> as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This
> all makes me very nervous!  Arch not using rpm may be a blessing in
> disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a waiver to not install this
> McAfee root-kit.
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Lew

What about setting up a simple tiny chroot just for this application?


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From wolfgang at sweet-haven.com  Sun Oct  3 14:47:19 2010
From: wolfgang at sweet-haven.com (Lew Wolfgang)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:47:19 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-zm1oa1HLR1k0TLRwHp7pPktMT13qtinRaoB=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
	<4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com>	<4CA8A888.8070008@sweet-haven.com>
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  On 10/03/2010 11:07 AM, C?dric Girard wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Lew Wolfgang<wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>wrote:
>
>>   On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>>
>>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>>
>>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>>>>
>>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants
>>> rpm to be there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different
>>> except it is in aur:
>>>
>>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>>     The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>>>
>>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the
>>> solution. Two package managers at once is not a good thing.
>>>
>> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a script
>> that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one 32-bit ELF
>> program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml file.  The script then
>> calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which contain tons of 32-bit system
>> libraries.  These libraries have the same names as regular system libs, like
>> libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This all makes me very nervous!  Arch
>> not using rpm may be a blessing in disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a
>> waiver to not install this McAfee root-kit.
>>
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Lew
>>
>>
> Can't you try to install only the program itself without these libraries ?
> The libraries could be installable using pacman.
>
>

It installs a whole hierarchy in /opt, which is where its many libraries end up.  It 
also has its own ldconfig, so it looks like it sets up its own insular runtime 
environment.  It installs hooks in /etc/init.d for boot-time starting.  Since this is 
a security package, I wouldn't be surprised if it did some kind of a trip-wire 
process to thwart tampering.  It certainly uses pki keys to communicate with its 
"mother ship".    As you can probably see, I'm trying to talk myself out of working 
on this too much.   I could also try making a tarball of /opt/McAfee on a RPM-ed host 
where the package successfully installed itself, then port the start script to 
/etc/rc.d.  I'm thinking my time might be better spend on getting a waiver for not 
installing the mess.

Thanks for the suggestion, C?dric

Regards,
Lew


From wolfgang at sweet-haven.com  Sun Oct  3 15:19:30 2010
From: wolfgang at sweet-haven.com (Lew Wolfgang)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:19:30 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <a1ed38becd86c913887a160464618fbf@localhost>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>	<4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com>
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  On 10/03/2010 11:11 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>  wrote:
>> On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>>
>>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants rpm to be>  there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in>  aur:
>>>
>>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>>      The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>>>
>>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the solution. Two>  package managers at once is not a good thing.
>> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a
>> script that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one
>> 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml file.
>> The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which contain
>> tons of 32-bit system libraries.  These libraries have the same names
>> as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This
>> all makes me very nervous!  Arch not using rpm may be a blessing in
>> disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a waiver to not install this
>> McAfee root-kit.
>>
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Lew
> What about setting up a simple tiny chroot just for this application?
>
>

That's an interesting idea, Dan.  But since this package is supposed to install 
itself like a cancer in the OS, it wouldn't be able to perform its function in a 
chroot.  The Windows version of this thing is intended to remove local administrative 
privileges so that the machine can be completely managed remotely.  It can prevent 
unapproved programs from being loaded, and can disable installed programs that it has 
an issue with.  Indeed, it disabled non-current versions of Adobe Acrobat a couple of 
weeks ago.  It also has an IPS function to monitor and disable network traffic it 
finds threatening.  It can enforce password polices and can report what a user is 
doing and what web sites they're visiting.   It can sniff network configurations and 
report dual-homed hosts, natted subnets are also disallowed.   I'm sure it does much 
more.  I've been told that the Linux/Apple versions only report at this time, the 
more intrusive capabilities aren't yet implemented.

Thanks,
Lew


From vratil at progdansoft.com  Sun Oct  3 16:29:53 2010
From: vratil at progdansoft.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Dan_Vr=C3=A1til?=)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:29:53 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA8D742.8040305@sweet-haven.com>
References: "<4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>"
	<4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com> <4CA8A888.8070008@sweet-haven.com>
	<a1ed38becd86c913887a160464618fbf@localhost>
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On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:19:30 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
<wolfgang at sweet-haven.com> wrote:
> On 10/03/2010 11:11 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
>> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>  wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>>>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>>>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>>>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>>>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants rpm to be>  there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in>  aur:
>>>>
>>>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>>>      The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>>>>
>>>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the solution. Two>  package managers at once is not a good thing.
>>> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a
>>> script that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one
>>> 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml file.
>>> The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which contain
>>> tons of 32-bit system libraries.  These libraries have the same names
>>> as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This
>>> all makes me very nervous!  Arch not using rpm may be a blessing in
>>> disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a waiver to not install this
>>> McAfee root-kit.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>> Lew
>> What about setting up a simple tiny chroot just for this application?
>>
>>
> 
> That's an interesting idea, Dan.  But since this package is supposed
> to install itself like a cancer in the OS, it wouldn't be able to
> perform its function in a chroot.  The Windows version of this thing
> is intended to remove local administrative privileges so that the
> machine can be completely managed remotely.  It can prevent unapproved
> programs from being loaded, and can disable installed programs that it
> has an issue with.  Indeed, it disabled non-current versions of Adobe
> Acrobat a couple of weeks ago.  It also has an IPS function to monitor
> and disable network traffic it finds threatening.  It can enforce
> password polices and can report what a user is doing and what web
> sites they're visiting.   It can sniff network configurations and
> report dual-homed hosts, natted subnets are also disallowed.   I'm
> sure it does much more.  I've been told that the Linux/Apple versions
> only report at this time, the more intrusive capabilities aren't yet
> implemented.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lew

Well it is just an application, not a kernel module or so, so in my
opinion 
it does not matter if it runs in chroot or not, as it can only obtain
datas
from some /proc, /sys and /dev files and these can be made available
in the chroot via mount (e.g. by mounting the real folders to the
chroot). 
What I want to say is, that the application can have access to all the
informations
it wants, but it will just be installed separately from your beloved
Arch.


Dan


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From wolfgang at sweet-haven.com  Sun Oct  3 17:21:28 2010
From: wolfgang at sweet-haven.com (Lew Wolfgang)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:21:28 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <b61f71ed8a74a906d54dbb232ef5cb67@localhost>
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  On 10/03/2010 01:29 PM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:19:30 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>  wrote:
>> On 10/03/2010 11:11 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
>>> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>   wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>>>>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>>>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>>>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>>>>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>>>>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>>>>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants rpm to be>   there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in>   aur:
>>>>>
>>>>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>>>>       The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the solution. Two>   package managers at once is not a good thing.
>>>> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a
>>>> script that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one
>>>> 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml file.
>>>> The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which contain
>>>> tons of 32-bit system libraries.  These libraries have the same names
>>>> as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This
>>>> all makes me very nervous!  Arch not using rpm may be a blessing in
>>>> disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a waiver to not install this
>>>> McAfee root-kit.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help,
>>>> Lew
>>> What about setting up a simple tiny chroot just for this application?
>>>
>>>
>> That's an interesting idea, Dan.  But since this package is supposed
>> to install itself like a cancer in the OS, it wouldn't be able to
>> perform its function in a chroot.  The Windows version of this thing
>> is intended to remove local administrative privileges so that the
>> machine can be completely managed remotely.  It can prevent unapproved
>> programs from being loaded, and can disable installed programs that it
>> has an issue with.  Indeed, it disabled non-current versions of Adobe
>> Acrobat a couple of weeks ago.  It also has an IPS function to monitor
>> and disable network traffic it finds threatening.  It can enforce
>> password polices and can report what a user is doing and what web
>> sites they're visiting.   It can sniff network configurations and
>> report dual-homed hosts, natted subnets are also disallowed.   I'm
>> sure it does much more.  I've been told that the Linux/Apple versions
>> only report at this time, the more intrusive capabilities aren't yet
>> implemented.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lew
> Well it is just an application, not a kernel module or so, so in my
> opinion
> it does not matter if it runs in chroot or not, as it can only obtain
> datas
> from some /proc, /sys and /dev files and these can be made available
> in the chroot via mount (e.g. by mounting the real folders to the
> chroot).
> What I want to say is, that the application can have access to all the
> informations
> it wants, but it will just be installed separately from your beloved
> Arch.
>
>
Hi Dan,

Interesting.  I wonder how one would do this?  Since the package depends on RPM, 
could that be installed in a jail and not interfere with pacman?  Or would most of a 
second OS need to live in the jail?  Can you install a full-up Fedora or openSuSE in 
a jail?  The jail would need access to the main /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files, 
wouldn't that be rather difficult to set up?  A chroot that has full access to /?  
Interesting to contemplate...

Regards,
Lew


From vratil at progdansoft.com  Sun Oct  3 17:59:02 2010
From: vratil at progdansoft.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Dan_Vr=C3=A1til?=)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 23:59:02 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA8F3D8.4080000@sweet-haven.com>
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On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:21:28 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
<wolfgang at sweet-haven.com> wrote:
> On 10/03/2010 01:29 PM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:19:30 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
>> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>  wrote:
>>> On 10/03/2010 11:11 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
>>>> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>   wrote:
>>>>> On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>>>>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>>>>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>>>>>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>>>>>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>>>>>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or just wants rpm to be>   there? Most distros allow you to install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in>   aur:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>>>>>       The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of Arch's 'pacman'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not the solution. Two>   package managers at once is not a good thing.
>>>>> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a
>>>>> script that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB), one
>>>>> 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml file.
>>>>> The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which contain
>>>>> tons of 32-bit system libraries.  These libraries have the same names
>>>>> as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and libcrypt.  This
>>>>> all makes me very nervous!  Arch not using rpm may be a blessing in
>>>>> disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a waiver to not install this
>>>>> McAfee root-kit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the help,
>>>>> Lew
>>>> What about setting up a simple tiny chroot just for this application?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's an interesting idea, Dan.  But since this package is supposed
>>> to install itself like a cancer in the OS, it wouldn't be able to
>>> perform its function in a chroot.  The Windows version of this thing
>>> is intended to remove local administrative privileges so that the
>>> machine can be completely managed remotely.  It can prevent unapproved
>>> programs from being loaded, and can disable installed programs that it
>>> has an issue with.  Indeed, it disabled non-current versions of Adobe
>>> Acrobat a couple of weeks ago.  It also has an IPS function to monitor
>>> and disable network traffic it finds threatening.  It can enforce
>>> password polices and can report what a user is doing and what web
>>> sites they're visiting.   It can sniff network configurations and
>>> report dual-homed hosts, natted subnets are also disallowed.   I'm
>>> sure it does much more.  I've been told that the Linux/Apple versions
>>> only report at this time, the more intrusive capabilities aren't yet
>>> implemented.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lew
>> Well it is just an application, not a kernel module or so, so in my
>> opinion
>> it does not matter if it runs in chroot or not, as it can only obtain
>> datas
>> from some /proc, /sys and /dev files and these can be made available
>> in the chroot via mount (e.g. by mounting the real folders to the
>> chroot).
>> What I want to say is, that the application can have access to all the
>> informations
>> it wants, but it will just be installed separately from your beloved
>> Arch.
>>
>>
> Hi Dan,
> 
> Interesting.  I wonder how one would do this?  Since the package
> depends on RPM, could that be installed in a jail and not interfere
> with pacman?  Or would most of a second OS need to live in the jail? 
> Can you install a full-up Fedora or openSuSE in a jail?  The jail
> would need access to the main /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files,
> wouldn't that be rather difficult to set up?  A chroot that has full
> access to /?  Interesting to contemplate...
> 
> Regards,
> Lew

Actually that should not be so difficult to set up. You can use program
called "schroot". It mounts the real folder (/home, /dev, /proc etc) to
the
chroot using fstab-like file (see /etc/schroot/mount-arch32) and it
also
copies some essential files (like /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd) to the
chroot
(see /etc/schroot/copyfiles-arch32).

Additionally, I think you don't need access to full /, just to /etc,
/dev, /sys 
and /proc since that's all where the program can get any useful info or

where any essential data to be watched over are located. If I'm wrong, 
it's not a problem to mount the folder to the chroot filesystem.
The rest of the chroot's filesystem can contain whatever you want. 
Actually I believe that it should work even when you would have only 
the libs that the program is linked against and some applications that 
the program needs to run, you don't even have to install kernel, udev, 
etc.

I'd recommend not to even use pacman to set up the chroot, but use RPM
to set it all up from the main system, something like:

rpm install base-system --root=/home/chroot
--dbpath=/home/chroot/var/lib/packages
(I don't know how to use rpm, just to show the idea)

and then enter the chroot using

schroot -c my_chroot

and then just start the application from the chroot.

Dan

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From anthony at extof.me  Sun Oct  3 19:57:52 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:57:52 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <1123f78ea17e9843fe8f5bf2172a5dbd@localhost>
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On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "Dan Vr?til" <vratil at progdansoft.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:21:28 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com> wrote:
>> On 10/03/2010 01:29 PM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:19:30 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
>>> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>  wrote:
>>>> On 10/03/2010 11:11 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
>>>>> <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>>>>>>>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>>>>>>>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just
>>>>>>>> fails saying
>>>>>>>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is
>>>>>>>> McAfee
>>>>>>>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an
>>>>>>>> rpm install?
>>>>>>> Does their installer actually require use rpm to install, or
>>>>>>> just wants rpm to be>   there? Most distros allow you to
>>>>>>> install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in>   aur:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
>>>>>>>      The RedHat Package Manager.  Don't use it instead of
>>>>>>> Arch's 'pacman'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably not
>>>>>>> the solution. Two>   package managers at once is not a good
>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart.  It's a
>>>>>> script that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm files (9-MB),
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an xml
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>> The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which
>>>>>> contain
>>>>>> tons of 32-bit system libraries.  These libraries have the same
>>>>>> names
>>>>>> as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and
>>>>>> libcrypt.  This
>>>>>> all makes me very nervous!  Arch not using rpm may be a
>>>>>> blessing in
>>>>>> disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a waiver to not install
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> McAfee root-kit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the help,
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>> What about setting up a simple tiny chroot just for this
>>>>> application?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's an interesting idea, Dan.  But since this package is
>>>> supposed
>>>> to install itself like a cancer in the OS, it wouldn't be able to
>>>> perform its function in a chroot.  The Windows version of this
>>>> thing
>>>> is intended to remove local administrative privileges so that the
>>>> machine can be completely managed remotely.  It can prevent
>>>> unapproved
>>>> programs from being loaded, and can disable installed programs
>>>> that it
>>>> has an issue with.  Indeed, it disabled non-current versions of
>>>> Adobe
>>>> Acrobat a couple of weeks ago.  It also has an IPS function to
>>>> monitor
>>>> and disable network traffic it finds threatening.  It can enforce
>>>> password polices and can report what a user is doing and what web
>>>> sites they're visiting.   It can sniff network configurations and
>>>> report dual-homed hosts, natted subnets are also disallowed.   I'm
>>>> sure it does much more.  I've been told that the Linux/Apple
>>>> versions
>>>> only report at this time, the more intrusive capabilities aren't
>>>> yet
>>>> implemented.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lew
>>> Well it is just an application, not a kernel module or so, so in my
>>> opinion
>>> it does not matter if it runs in chroot or not, as it can only
>>> obtain
>>> datas
>>> from some /proc, /sys and /dev files and these can be made available
>>> in the chroot via mount (e.g. by mounting the real folders to the
>>> chroot).
>>> What I want to say is, that the application can have access to all
>>> the
>>> informations
>>> it wants, but it will just be installed separately from your beloved
>>> Arch.
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> Interesting.  I wonder how one would do this?  Since the package
>> depends on RPM, could that be installed in a jail and not interfere
>> with pacman?  Or would most of a second OS need to live in the jail?
>> Can you install a full-up Fedora or openSuSE in a jail?  The jail
>> would need access to the main /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files,
>> wouldn't that be rather difficult to set up?  A chroot that has full
>> access to /?  Interesting to contemplate...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lew
>
> Actually that should not be so difficult to set up. You can use
> program
> called "schroot". It mounts the real folder (/home, /dev, /proc etc)
> to
> the
> chroot using fstab-like file (see /etc/schroot/mount-arch32) and it
> also
> copies some essential files (like /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd) to the
> chroot
> (see /etc/schroot/copyfiles-arch32).
>
> Additionally, I think you don't need access to full /, just to /etc,
> /dev, /sys
> and /proc since that's all where the program can get any useful info
> or
>
> where any essential data to be watched over are located. If I'm wrong,
> it's not a problem to mount the folder to the chroot filesystem.
> The rest of the chroot's filesystem can contain whatever you want.
> Actually I believe that it should work even when you would have only
> the libs that the program is linked against and some applications that
> the program needs to run, you don't even have to install kernel, udev,
> etc.
>
> I'd recommend not to even use pacman to set up the chroot, but use RPM
> to set it all up from the main system, something like:
>
> rpm install base-system --root=/home/chroot
> --dbpath=/home/chroot/var/lib/packages
> (I don't know how to use rpm, just to show the idea)
>
> and then enter the chroot using
>
> schroot -c my_chroot
>
> and then just start the application from the chroot.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> --
> Dan Vr?til
> vratil at progdansoft.com
> Tel: +4202 732 326 870
> Jabber: progdan at jabber.cz
>
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If you want to be sure it can't escape, you could try using LXC to
contain the fedora system.

It is a recent kernel technology designed specifically for this
purpose, and has tools to build fedora amongst other distributions.

Very easy to set up a containerized system.

C Anthony [mobile]

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Mon Oct  4 00:41:59 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 23:41:59 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com> <4CA7D806.4030409@too1337.com>
Message-ID: <4CA95B17.6080707@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/02/2010 08:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>> It works on all the major distros but fails to install
>> on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script just fails saying
>> it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and is McAfee
>> proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
>>
>> So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>

Lew, good to see you here. I have just created a step-by-step howto and building 
and installing rpm/yum/yum-createrepo/etc... on arch just a few weeks ago. I 
still manage my suse repos on my Arch server.

I'll have to switch drives to grab the notes, but I'll post back if I can't find 
it with a quick google:

Ahah! Found it:

http://www.pubbs.net/201009/archlinux/21794-arch-general-installing-createreporepoview-on-arch-linux.html

This lays out which packages you need to get from AUR and build with 'makepkg 
-s' in the order you need to install them to get rpm and the yum-metadata-parser 
installed on arch. (there is also a patch from the rpm upstream guys to deal 
with the weird tokens suse still uses in packaging.

(for some reason the site messes up the urls to the AUR packages, I'll shoot you 
my saved copy with good links)

This howto will get rpm5 and all the goods installed on your Arch box. I haven't 
tried an 'rpm install' on arch, as the spec2arch script that generates the arch 
PKGBUILD which you then use (while in the same directory) by simply typing 
'makepkg -s' to build the arch package for whatever you are installing.

I left rpm installs with suse and use pacman with Arch. It's simple and (works 
almost identical to zypper from a user standpoint). But I do still maintain my 
11.0 and 11.3 repos on my Arch server which is what got me started down this 
path to begin with.

When I pop my other drive back in the laptop, I'll shoot you a copy with good 
urls. (I think you can use the ones in the link, you just have to changee the  
char to either a '-' or '_' IIRC.

-- 
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Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From vratil at progdansoft.com  Mon Oct  4 01:26:15 2010
From: vratil at progdansoft.com (Dan Vratil)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:26:15 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
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----- Original message -----
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "Dan Vr?til" <vratil at progdansoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:21:28 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
> > <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com> wrote:
> > > On 10/03/2010 01:29 PM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:19:30 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
> > > > <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>?  wrote:
> > > > > On 10/03/2010 11:11 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:00:08 -0700, Lew Wolfgang
> > > > > > <wolfgang at sweet-haven.com>? ?  wrote:
> > > > > > > On 10/02/2010 06:10 PM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 10/2/2010 7:41 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
> > > > > > > > > It works on all the major distros but fails to install
> > > > > > > > > on Arch due to an RPM dependency. Their install script
> > > > > > > > > just fails saying
> > > > > > > > > it can't find rpm. The script contains much ugliness and
> > > > > > > > > is McAfee
> > > > > > > > > proprietary, so I doubt hacking it will be productive.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > So the question is: can Arch be configured/tricked into
> > > > > > > > > an rpm install?
> > > > > > > > Does their installer actually require use rpm to install,
> > > > > > > > or just wants rpm to be>? ?  there? Most distros allow you to
> > > > > > > > install rpm, Arch is no different except it is in>? ?  aur:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > aur/rpm 5.2.1-1 (153)
> > > > > > > > The RedHat Package Manager.?  Don't use it instead of
> > > > > > > > Arch's 'pacman'.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > If it actually uses rpm for the process, this is probably
> > > > > > > > not the solution. Two>? ?  package managers at once is not a
> > > > > > > > good thing.
> > > > > > > I spent some time last night pulling the .sh file apart. 
> > > > > > > It's a script that unzips a binary that unpacks two rpm
> > > > > > > files (9-MB), one
> > > > > > > 32-bit ELF program (8.9-MB), two cryptographic keys and an
> > > > > > > xml file.
> > > > > > > The script then calls rpm to install the two rpm files, which
> > > > > > > contain
> > > > > > > tons of 32-bit system libraries.?  These libraries have the
> > > > > > > same names
> > > > > > > as regular system libs, like libc, libm, libresolv and
> > > > > > > libcrypt.?  This
> > > > > > > all makes me very nervous!?  Arch not using rpm may be a
> > > > > > > blessing in
> > > > > > > disguise, I'm going to see if I can get a waiver to not
> > > > > > > install this
> > > > > > > McAfee root-kit.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > > > > Lew
> > > > > > What about setting up a simple tiny chroot just for this
> > > > > > application?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > That's an interesting idea, Dan.?  But since this package is
> > > > > supposed
> > > > > to install itself like a cancer in the OS, it wouldn't be able to
> > > > > perform its function in a chroot.?  The Windows version of this
> > > > > thing
> > > > > is intended to remove local administrative privileges so that the
> > > > > machine can be completely managed remotely.?  It can prevent
> > > > > unapproved
> > > > > programs from being loaded, and can disable installed programs
> > > > > that it
> > > > > has an issue with.?  Indeed, it disabled non-current versions of
> > > > > Adobe
> > > > > Acrobat a couple of weeks ago.?  It also has an IPS function to
> > > > > monitor
> > > > > and disable network traffic it finds threatening.?  It can enforce
> > > > > password polices and can report what a user is doing and what web
> > > > > sites they're visiting.? ?  It can sniff network configurations and
> > > > > report dual-homed hosts, natted subnets are also disallowed.?  
> > > > > I'm sure it does much more.?  I've been told that the Linux/Apple
> > > > > versions
> > > > > only report at this time, the more intrusive capabilities aren't
> > > > > yet
> > > > > implemented.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Lew
> > > > Well it is just an application, not a kernel module or so, so in my
> > > > opinion
> > > > it does not matter if it runs in chroot or not, as it can only
> > > > obtain
> > > > datas
> > > > from some /proc, /sys and /dev files and these can be made
> > > > available in the chroot via mount (e.g. by mounting the real
> > > > folders to the chroot).
> > > > What I want to say is, that the application can have access to all
> > > > the
> > > > informations
> > > > it wants, but it will just be installed separately from your
> > > > beloved Arch.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > Hi Dan,
> > > 
> > > Interesting.?  I wonder how one would do this??  Since the package
> > > depends on RPM, could that be installed in a jail and not interfere
> > > with pacman??  Or would most of a second OS need to live in the jail?
> > > Can you install a full-up Fedora or openSuSE in a jail??  The jail
> > > would need access to the main /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files,
> > > wouldn't that be rather difficult to set up??  A chroot that has full
> > > access to /??  Interesting to contemplate...
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Lew
> > 
> > Actually that should not be so difficult to set up. You can use
> > program
> > called "schroot". It mounts the real folder (/home, /dev, /proc etc)
> > to
> > the
> > chroot using fstab-like file (see /etc/schroot/mount-arch32) and it
> > also
> > copies some essential files (like /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd) to the
> > chroot
> > (see /etc/schroot/copyfiles-arch32).
> > 
> > Additionally, I think you don't need access to full /, just to /etc,
> > /dev, /sys
> > and /proc since that's all where the program can get any useful info
> > or
> > 
> > where any essential data to be watched over are located. If I'm wrong,
> > it's not a problem to mount the folder to the chroot filesystem.
> > The rest of the chroot's filesystem can contain whatever you want.
> > Actually I believe that it should work even when you would have only
> > the libs that the program is linked against and some applications that
> > the program needs to run, you don't even have to install kernel, udev,
> > etc.
> > 
> > I'd recommend not to even use pacman to set up the chroot, but use RPM
> > to set it all up from the main system, something like:
> > 
> > rpm install base-system --root=/home/chroot
> > --dbpath=/home/chroot/var/lib/packages
> > (I don't know how to use rpm, just to show the idea)
> > 
> > and then enter the chroot using
> > 
> > schroot -c my_chroot
> > 
> > and then just start the application from the chroot.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > --
> > --
> > Dan Vr?til
> > vratil at progdansoft.com
> > Tel: +4202 732 326 870
> > Jabber: progdan at jabber.cz
> > 
> > Tento email neobsahuje ??dn? viry, proto?e odes?latel nepou??
> > v?
> > Windows. /
> > This email does not contain any viruses because the sender does not
> > use
> > Windows.
> 
> If you want to be sure it can't escape, you could try using LXC to
> contain the fedora system.
> 
> It is a recent kernel technology designed specifically for this
> purpose, and has tools to build fedora amongst other distributions.
> 
> Very easy to set up a containerized system.
> 
> C Anthony [mobile]

Hmmm the LXC looks like a pretty cool project, that's exactly what I was looking for some time ago, thanks for bringing it in.

But if I understood correctly, you need to have entire system installed inside the container, which is I think a waste of diskspace for just one program, meanwhile chroot would require just default libs, bash and dependencies of that app.

Dan

From jakob.gruber at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 03:53:35 2010
From: jakob.gruber at gmail.com (Jakob Gruber)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:53:35 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] RPM Question
In-Reply-To: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
References: <4CA7D13C.9030000@sweet-haven.com>
Message-ID: <4CA987FF.1060407@gmail.com>

  On 10/03/2010 02:41 AM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
>  Hi Folks,
>
> New Arch user here.   I really like it!  Another Arch user recommended 
> it to me after I started noticing quality issues with another of the 
> main distributions.
>
> I'm currently working on a test install to see if Arch will function 
> in a very restricted environment.  So far I've successfully installed 
> KDE and configured for a true IPv6 network.  Yet to be done is support 
> for Common Access Cards and their USB readers.  I've been having 
> issues with pcscd but I'm not ready to ask for help yet.  I also tried 
> fake-raid but gave up in favor of the much simpler JBOD (two disks) 
> config.
>
> But I ran into a problem installing something called HBSS from 
> McAfee.   This is a package for Windows that is nothing more than a 
> root-kit that allows remote administrators to set policy, remove/block 
> programs, report versions, etc.  Unfortunately management mandates 
> that non-Windows systems also run it.  So McAfee labored mightily and 
> emitted a Java port of the Windows package that gives minimal 
> reporting capabilities for Linux installs.  It works on all the major 
> distros but fails to install on Arch due to an RPM dependency.  Their 
> install script just fails saying it can't find rpm.  The script 
> contains much ugliness and is McAfee proprietary, so I doubt hacking 
> it will be productive.
>
> So the question is:  can Arch be configured/tricked into an rpm install?
>
> Thanks for a great distro, and your wiki is amazing!  It's a little 
> light on IPv6 info, but I might be able to help there later.
>
> Regards,
> Lew Wolfgang
>

I think nobody has mentioned rpmextract yet? Might be possible to use 
that to create a native arch package.
AFAIK it's the usual solution when an application exists only in rpm form.

From ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz  Mon Oct  4 03:54:01 2010
From: ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?T25kxZllaiBLdcSNZXJh?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:54:01 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] KDE and output to two monitors
Message-ID: <4CA98819.7040207@centrum.cz>

Hello,

from time to time I connect my laptop (1280x800) with another display 
(usually an old 19" at 1280x1024). My preferred configuration is to set 
both displays to their natural resolution with the laptop display being 
set to be "left of VGA1". I do this all via KDE system settings.

It always used to make the KDE panel and all windows stay on my laptop 
display, until I grabbed a window and moved it rightwards. However, 
since a couple of days or weeks ago (unfortunately I'm not sure which 
upgrade changed this) no matter what I do the KDE panel appears on the 
external display, so does my wallpaper and so do some of the windows 
(most, but not all of them). This doesn't really work for me much, does 
anyone know what to do to return to the previous behavior?

Ond?ej


-- 
Cheers,
Ond?ej Ku?era

-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.


From ngoonee at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 11:01:03 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:01:03 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Python rebuild on its way to
	[testing]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikW45zNvDp9NCMFnERt7PKB7f2=2_O_FA0uAoqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA9AEB8.1030407@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikW45zNvDp9NCMFnERt7PKB7f2=2_O_FA0uAoqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1286204463.29281.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Just a question on this topic - does the new [staging] mean that
[testing] should always be complete (ie. not having any
unupdated-for-lib-bump packages)?


From christian08 at runbox.com  Mon Oct  4 11:15:43 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:15:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
Message-ID: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>

Hi all,
I had to do a reinstall of my machine so I did that and for some reason, Gnome doesn't start proprely. I am visually impaired so I can't see the screen until I have logged into Gnome and started Orca, the screen reader for Gnome.
Here is what I do.
pacman -S xorg xf86-video-ati xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse gnome gnome-extra gnome-system-tools
Then I did:
pacman -S gamin
pacman -S gdm
I have however got a protocol error so I had to restart some of the downloads above, but will pacman check the packages so that they are completely downloaded?
Anyway, I then did:
/etc/rc.d/hal start
/etc/rc.d/gdm start and I did all of this as root.
Then I can read that the screen goes into the graphical environment since BRLTTY and Speakup, the console screen readers tell me that.
I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
Have I missed something?
This is like I did before.
I have added my user to the video group as well as the others recommended on the beginners guide.
Any thoughts?
Many thanks,
Christian


From guillaume at alaux.net  Mon Oct  4 11:34:25 2010
From: guillaume at alaux.net (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:34:25 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRhWk6jcGy01ZCBgrUad2q5-7SwwcBVSQjuY3+@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 October 2010 17:15, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I had to do a reinstall of my machine so I did that and for some reason, Gnome doesn't start proprely. I am visually impaired so I can't see the screen until I have logged into Gnome and started Orca, the screen reader for Gnome.
> Here is what I do.
> pacman -S xorg xf86-video-ati xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse gnome gnome-extra gnome-system-tools
> Then I did:
> pacman -S gamin
> pacman -S gdm
> I have however got a protocol error so I had to restart some of the downloads above, but will pacman check the packages so that they are completely downloaded?
> Anyway, I then did:
> /etc/rc.d/hal start
> /etc/rc.d/gdm start and I did all of this as root.
> Then I can read that the screen goes into the graphical environment since BRLTTY and Speakup, the console screen readers tell me that.
> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
> Have I missed something?
> This is like I did before.
> I have added my user to the video group as well as the others recommended on the beginners guide.
> Any thoughts?
> Many thanks,
> Christian
>
>

> will pacman check the packages so that they are completely downloaded?
Yes pacman checks md5sums

I don't know if this is related but I noticed since the last gnome
update that when gdm displays the list of usernames, you can't select
the first one by just pressing enter. That used to work and was very
handy cause you didn't have to grab the mouse : wait for gdm to start
then press enter, the password, enter again and there you were. Maybe
you are just stuck at the user list ?!

--
Guillaume

From paulo.r.santos at sapo.pt  Mon Oct  4 11:44:20 2010
From: paulo.r.santos at sapo.pt (Paulo Santos)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:44:20 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <4CA9F654.1010802@sapo.pt>

Hello,

Christian wrote:
> Hi all,
> I had to do a reinstall of my machine so I did that and for some reason, Gnome doesn't start proprely. I am visually impaired so I can't see the screen until I have logged into Gnome and started Orca, the screen reader for Gnome.
> Here is what I do.
> pacman -S xorg xf86-video-ati xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse gnome gnome-extra gnome-system-tools
> Then I did:
> pacman -S gamin
> pacman -S gdm
> I have however got a protocol error so I had to restart some of the downloads above, but will pacman check the packages so that they are completely downloaded?
> Anyway, I then did:
> /etc/rc.d/hal start
> /etc/rc.d/gdm start and I did all of this as root.
> Then I can read that the screen goes into the graphical environment since BRLTTY and Speakup, the console screen readers tell me that.
> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
> Have I missed something?
> This is like I did before.
> I have added my user to the video group as well as the others recommended on the beginners guide.
> Any thoughts?
> Many thanks,
> Christian

You can try auto-login by editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf and, under
[daemon] put:

	AutomaticLoginEnable=true
	AutomaticLogin=your_username

Maybe something changed in the latest gnome update and you can't login
the same way you did.

Best regards,
Paulo Santos

From jan at jgc.homeip.net  Mon Oct  4 12:29:24 2010
From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:29:24 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 17:15 +0200, Christian wrote:
> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
> happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.

gdm has this annoying change since 2.32 where it requires a mouse click
on the username to select it for login. With previous versions you could
just hit enter to select the one and only user in the list and enter
your password after that.


From christian08 at runbox.com  Mon Oct  4 12:35:17 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:35:17 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing  Gnome
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRhWk6jcGy01ZCBgrUad2q5-7SwwcBVSQjuY3+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTimRhWk6jcGy01ZCBgrUad2q5-7SwwcBVSQjuY3+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010041835170031.0008E44E@127.0.0.1>

Hello,


On 2010-10-04 at 17:34 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:

>On 4 October 2010 17:15, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I had to do a reinstall of my machine so I did that and for some reason,
>Gnome doesn't start proprely. I am visually impaired so I can't see the
>screen until I have logged into Gnome and started Orca, the screen reader
>for Gnome.
>> Here is what I do.
>> pacman -S xorg xf86-video-ati xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse gnome
>gnome-extra gnome-system-tools
>> Then I did:
>> pacman -S gamin
>> pacman -S gdm
>> I have however got a protocol error so I had to restart some of the
>downloads above, but will pacman check the packages so that they are
>completely downloaded?
>> Anyway, I then did:
>> /etc/rc.d/hal start
>> /etc/rc.d/gdm start and I did all of this as root.
>> Then I can read that the screen goes into the graphical environment
>since BRLTTY and Speakup, the console screen readers tell me that.
>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>> Have I missed something?
>> This is like I did before.
>> I have added my user to the video group as well as the others
>recommended on the beginners guide.
>> Any thoughts?
>> Many thanks,
>> Christian
>>
>>
>
>> will pacman check the packages so that they are completely downloaded?
>Yes pacman checks md5sums
>
>I don't know if this is related but I noticed since the last gnome
>update that when gdm displays the list of usernames, you can't select
>the first one by just pressing enter. That used to work and was very
>handy cause you didn't have to grab the mouse : wait for gdm to start
>then press enter, the password, enter again and there you were. Maybe
>you are just stuck at the user list ?!
>
>--
>Guillaume

Yes, that's maybe correct. Since I am th eonly user how do I select the only user, I can't just press enter twice and then enter my password?
I will try also the auto logon thing.
Many thanks,
Christian


From christian08 at runbox.com  Mon Oct  4 12:37:01 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:37:01 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing  Gnome
In-Reply-To: <1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
	<1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <201010041837010125.000A7AEC@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-04 at 18:29 Jan de Groot wrote:

>On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 17:15 +0200, Christian wrote:
>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>> happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>
>gdm has this annoying change since 2.32 where it requires a mouse click
>on the username to select it for login. With previous versions you could
>just hit enter to select the one and only user in the list and enter
>your password after that.

And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?


From guillaume at alaux.net  Mon Oct  4 12:41:20 2010
From: guillaume at alaux.net (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:41:20 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010041835170031.0008E44E@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTimRhWk6jcGy01ZCBgrUad2q5-7SwwcBVSQjuY3+@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010041835170031.0008E44E@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Z2Xi2_1MBM5Z14-aouYraOdJhJUAjTGPJqPXu@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 October 2010 18:35, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> On 2010-10-04 at 17:34 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
>
>>On 4 October 2010 17:15, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I had to do a reinstall of my machine so I did that and for some reason,
>>Gnome doesn't start proprely. I am visually impaired so I can't see the
>>screen until I have logged into Gnome and started Orca, the screen reader
>>for Gnome.
>>> Here is what I do.
>>> pacman -S xorg xf86-video-ati xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse gnome
>>gnome-extra gnome-system-tools
>>> Then I did:
>>> pacman -S gamin
>>> pacman -S gdm
>>> I have however got a protocol error so I had to restart some of the
>>downloads above, but will pacman check the packages so that they are
>>completely downloaded?
>>> Anyway, I then did:
>>> /etc/rc.d/hal start
>>> /etc/rc.d/gdm start and I did all of this as root.
>>> Then I can read that the screen goes into the graphical environment
>>since BRLTTY and Speakup, the console screen readers tell me that.
>>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>>happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>>> Have I missed something?
>>> This is like I did before.
>>> I have added my user to the video group as well as the others
>>recommended on the beginners guide.
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> will pacman check the packages so that they are completely downloaded?
>>Yes pacman checks md5sums
>>
>>I don't know if this is related but I noticed since the last gnome
>>update that when gdm displays the list of usernames, you can't select
>>the first one by just pressing enter. That used to work and was very
>>handy cause you didn't have to grab the mouse : wait for gdm to start
>>then press enter, the password, enter again and there you were. Maybe
>>you are just stuck at the user list ?!
>>
>>--
>>Guillaume
>
> Yes, that's maybe correct. Since I am th eonly user how do I select the only user, I can't just press enter twice and then enter my password?
> I will try also the auto logon thing.
> Many thanks,
> Christian
>
>

On my other Arch I have a GDM panel configuration that I can get
through the gnome-control-center and that enables you to automatically
login with a user (I can't figure out where I got it and it's not
installed on this one here). Maybe it can select a login name to. I
think that is pretty much what Paulo explained on a previous email but
the "CLI way".

From guillaume at alaux.net  Mon Oct  4 12:42:52 2010
From: guillaume at alaux.net (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:42:52 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010041837010125.000A7AEC@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
	<1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<201010041837010125.000A7AEC@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iLDUOw2TX3w1safi+FPv-DJKN9-Fep_JS+8f0@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 October 2010 18:37, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 2010-10-04 at 18:29 Jan de Groot wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 17:15 +0200, Christian wrote:
>>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>>> happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>>
>>gdm has this annoying change since 2.32 where it requires a mouse click
>>on the username to select it for login. With previous versions you could
>>just hit enter to select the one and only user in the list and enter
>>your password after that.
>
> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>
>

> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
Yes ! It seems TAB + ENTER does the trick.

From christian08 at runbox.com  Mon Oct  4 12:47:26 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:47:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing  Gnome
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=iLDUOw2TX3w1safi+FPv-DJKN9-Fep_JS+8f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
	<1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<201010041837010125.000A7AEC@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTi=iLDUOw2TX3w1safi+FPv-DJKN9-Fep_JS+8f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010041847260812.00140703@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-04 at 18:42 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:

>On 4 October 2010 18:37, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 2010-10-04 at 18:29 Jan de Groot wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 17:15 +0200, Christian wrote:
>>>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>>>> happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>>>
>>>gdm has this annoying change since 2.32 where it requires a mouse click
>>>on the username to select it for login. With previous versions you could
>>>just hit enter to select the one and only user in the list and enter
>>>your password after that.
>>
>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>>
>>
>
>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>Yes ! It seems TAB + ENTER does the trick.

OK, so then you just enter your password after you have hit enter that time and then you are logged in?


From guillaume at alaux.net  Mon Oct  4 12:51:13 2010
From: guillaume at alaux.net (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:51:13 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
In-Reply-To: <201010041847260812.00140703@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
	<1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<201010041837010125.000A7AEC@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTi=iLDUOw2TX3w1safi+FPv-DJKN9-Fep_JS+8f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010041847260812.00140703@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim4f5fSdt7BYHgeLEMwf5fT5VVzNsqhsy90sL4y@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 October 2010 18:47, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 2010-10-04 at 18:42 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
>
>>On 4 October 2010 18:37, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-10-04 at 18:29 Jan de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 17:15 +0200, Christian wrote:
>>>>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>>>>> happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>>>>
>>>>gdm has this annoying change since 2.32 where it requires a mouse click
>>>>on the username to select it for login. With previous versions you could
>>>>just hit enter to select the one and only user in the list and enter
>>>>your password after that.
>>>
>>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>>Yes ! It seems TAB + ENTER does the trick.
>
> OK, so then you just enter your password after you have hit enter that time and then you are logged in?
>
>

When gdm is up, press TAB, ENTER. If you have only one user then it is
selected and waits for your password. So then password + ENTER and you
should be done.

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Mon Oct  4 12:54:38 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:54:38 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing Gnome
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim4f5fSdt7BYHgeLEMwf5fT5VVzNsqhsy90sL4y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>	<1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<201010041837010125.000A7AEC@127.0.0.1>	<AANLkTi=iLDUOw2TX3w1safi+FPv-DJKN9-Fep_JS+8f0@mail.gmail.com>	<201010041847260812.00140703@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTim4f5fSdt7BYHgeLEMwf5fT5VVzNsqhsy90sL4y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAA06CE.5010905@archlinux.org>

On 10/04/2010 07:51 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
> On 4 October 2010 18:47, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 2010-10-04 at 18:42 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
>>
>>> On 4 October 2010 18:37, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2010-10-04 at 18:29 Jan de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 17:15 +0200, Christian wrote:
>>>>>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>>>>>> happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>>>>>
>>>>> gdm has this annoying change since 2.32 where it requires a mouse click
>>>>> on the username to select it for login. With previous versions you could
>>>>> just hit enter to select the one and only user in the list and enter
>>>>> your password after that.
>>>>
>>>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>>> Yes ! It seems TAB + ENTER does the trick.
>>
>> OK, so then you just enter your password after you have hit enter that time and then you are logged in?
>>
>>
>
> When gdm is up, press TAB, ENTER. If you have only one user then it is
> selected and waits for your password. So then password + ENTER and you
> should be done.

note that you need to install additionally packages for orca:

espeak, festival

-- 
Ionu?

From christian08 at runbox.com  Mon Oct  4 12:59:56 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:59:56 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about pacman and installing  Gnome
In-Reply-To: <4CAA06CE.5010905@archlinux.org>
References: <201010041715430625.000BE828@127.0.0.1>
	<1286209764.2691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<201010041837010125.000A7AEC@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTi=iLDUOw2TX3w1safi+FPv-DJKN9-Fep_JS+8f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010041847260812.00140703@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTim4f5fSdt7BYHgeLEMwf5fT5VVzNsqhsy90sL4y@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAA06CE.5010905@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <201010041859560828.001F78C3@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-04 at 19:54 Ionu?? B??ru wrote:

>On 10/04/2010 07:51 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
>> On 4 October 2010 18:47, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-10-04 at 18:42 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4 October 2010 18:37, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-10-04 at 18:29 Jan de Groot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 17:15 +0200, Christian wrote:
>>>>>>> I wait for about 30 seconds before I login as my user but nothing
>>>>>>> happens when I press enter after I have entered my password.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gdm has this annoying change since 2.32 where it requires a mouse
>click
>>>>>> on the username to select it for login. With previous versions you
>could
>>>>>> just hit enter to select the one and only user in the list and enter
>>>>>> your password after that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And you cannot press tab or anything else to select?
>>>> Yes ! It seems TAB + ENTER does the trick.
>>>
>>> OK, so then you just enter your password after you have hit enter that
>time and then you are logged in?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> When gdm is up, press TAB, ENTER. If you have only one user then it is
>> selected and waits for your password. So then password + ENTER and you
>> should be done.
>
>note that you need to install additionally packages for orca:
>
>espeak, festival
>
>-- 
>Ionu??

Orca is included in gnome-extra


From pierre at archlinux.de  Mon Oct  4 14:14:29 2010
From: pierre at archlinux.de (Pierre Schmitz)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:14:29 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Python rebuild on its way to
 [testing]
In-Reply-To: <1286204463.29281.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4CA9AEB8.1030407@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikW45zNvDp9NCMFnERt7PKB7f2=2_O_FA0uAoqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286204463.29281.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e893c66f8967ab121c07d5849970de3b@archlinux.de>

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:01:03 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Just a question on this topic - does the new [staging] mean that
> [testing] should always be complete (ie. not having any
> unupdated-for-lib-bump packages)?

Yes, that was the whole idea; to not break or freeze testing
intentionally.

-- 
Pierre Schmitz, https://users.archlinux.de/~pierre

From christian08 at runbox.com  Mon Oct  4 14:39:10 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:39:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Extracting deb packages
Message-ID: <201010042039100250.000468C8@127.0.0.1>

Hi,
what is the most easiest and convenient way in the console to extract a .deb package?
Many thanks,
Christian


From andrea at archlinux.org  Mon Oct  4 14:40:48 2010
From: andrea at archlinux.org (Andrea Scarpino)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:40:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Extracting deb packages
In-Reply-To: <201010042039100250.000468C8@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010042039100250.000468C8@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZVhcG7wMwhuZvqZdqTyerQCV+5LmL=+G7JRzV@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 October 2010 20:39, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> what is the most easiest and convenient way in the console to extract a .deb package?
> Many thanks,
> Christian
pacman -S deb2targz
$ deb2targz archive.deb

-- 
andreascarpino.it
Arch Linux Developer

From marlo at dermarlo.de  Mon Oct  4 14:43:20 2010
From: marlo at dermarlo.de (Marlo Ehrlich)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:43:20 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Extracting deb packages
In-Reply-To: <201010042039100250.000468C8@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010042039100250.000468C8@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5c8ed3cea83d540041a8d77785e9854e@dermarlo.de>

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:39:10 +0200, "Christian"
<christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> what is the most easiest and convenient way in the console to extract
> a .deb package?

You should be able to extract a deb. package with ar:
ar xv package.deb


-- 
Marlo Ehrlich

From stefan-husmann at t-online.de  Mon Oct  4 14:49:04 2010
From: stefan-husmann at t-online.de (Stefan Husmann)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:49:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Extracting deb packages
In-Reply-To: <201010042039100250.000468C8@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010042039100250.000468C8@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <4CAA21A0.2020503@t-online.de>

Am 04.10.2010 20:39, schrieb Christian:
> Hi,
> what is the most easiest and convenient way in the console to extract a .deb package?
> Many thanks,
> Christian
> 
> 

deb2targz

From ngoonee at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 19:02:59 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:02:59 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Python rebuild on its way to
 [testing]
In-Reply-To: <e893c66f8967ab121c07d5849970de3b@archlinux.de>
References: <4CA9AEB8.1030407@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikW45zNvDp9NCMFnERt7PKB7f2=2_O_FA0uAoqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286204463.29281.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e893c66f8967ab121c07d5849970de3b@archlinux.de>
Message-ID: <1286233379.13215.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 20:14 +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:01:03 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Just a question on this topic - does the new [staging] mean that
> > [testing] should always be complete (ie. not having any
> > unupdated-for-lib-bump packages)?
> 
> Yes, that was the whole idea; to not break or freeze testing
> intentionally.
> 
Thanks =). Now that the python rebuild is complete, how do I find out
(besides parsing pacman -Qi python) which of my AUR (-Qm) packages are
affected? Just realized jack_control from jack-audio-connection-kit-mp
doesn't work, neither does python_waf.


From allan at archlinux.org  Mon Oct  4 19:26:02 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:26:02 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Python rebuild on its way to
 [testing]
In-Reply-To: <1286233379.13215.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4CA9AEB8.1030407@archlinux.org>	<AANLkTikW45zNvDp9NCMFnERt7PKB7f2=2_O_FA0uAoqQ@mail.gmail.com>	<1286204463.29281.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<e893c66f8967ab121c07d5849970de3b@archlinux.de>
	<1286233379.13215.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4CAA628A.7040802@archlinux.org>

On 05/10/10 09:02, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 20:14 +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:01:03 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee<ngoonee at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Just a question on this topic - does the new [staging] mean that
>>> [testing] should always be complete (ie. not having any
>>> unupdated-for-lib-bump packages)?
>>
>> Yes, that was the whole idea; to not break or freeze testing
>> intentionally.
>>
> Thanks =). Now that the python rebuild is complete, how do I find out
> (besides parsing pacman -Qi python) which of my AUR (-Qm) packages are
> affected? Just realized jack_control from jack-audio-connection-kit-mp
> doesn't work, neither does python_waf.
>

Any package that links to libpython2.6.so, or has files pointing at 
/usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/env python needs fixed.

something like  (untested...)

for pkg in ....; do
   readelf -d $(pacman -Qql $pkg) 2>/dev/null | grep libpython2.6
   grep "usr/bin/python" $(pacman -Qql $pkg) | grep -v python2
   grep "usr/bin/env python" $(pacman -Qql $pkg) | grep -v python2
done


Allan

From snowmaniscool at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 19:42:57 2010
From: snowmaniscool at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eric_B=E9langer?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:42:57 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] lvm2/device-mapper 2.02.74-1
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=3510+NyH-UB8ab3d4g94d9B9E2V6hm9r6d4O+@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

 lvm2/device-mapper 2.02.74-1 are now in testing for an upstream
update. Please test and signoff.  I couldn't test much the i686
package except in a chroot so 2 signoffs for i686 would be nice.
Signoff from users are welcome.

Eric


Version 2.02.74 - 24th September 2010
=====================================
  Allow : and @ to be escaped with \ in device names of PVs.
  Replace alloca with dm_malloc in _aligned_io to avoid stack corruption.
  Fix partial mode operations for lvm1 metadata format.
  Track recursive filter iteration to avoid refreshing while in use. (2.02.56)
  Revert to old glibc vsnprintf behaviour in emit_to_buffer() to catch overflow.
  Allocate buffer for metadata tags dynamically to remove 4k limit.
  Add random suffix to archive file names to prevent races when being created.
  Reinitialize archive and backup handling on toolcontext refresh.
  Make poll_mirror_progress report PROGRESS_CHECK_FAILED if LV is not a mirror.
  Like mirrors, don't scan origins if ignore_suspended_devices() is set.
  Fix return type qualifier to avoid compiler warning. (2.02.69)
  Automatically generate LSB Requires-Start for clvmd init script.
  Fix return code of pvmove --abort PV.
  Fix pvmove --abort to remove even for empty pvmove LV.
  Add configure --with-default-data-alignment.
  Update heuristic used for default and detected data alignment.
  Add "devices/default_data_alignment" to lvm.conf.
  Add implmentation for simple numeric 'get' property functions.
  Define GET_NUM_PROPERTY_FN macro to simplify numeric property 'get' function
  Add properties.[ch] to lib/report using columns.h.
  Add macro definitions to report infrastructure for character array length.
  Remove explicit double quotes from columns.h 'id' entries.
  Add 'flags' field to columns.h and define FIELD_MODIFIABLE.
  Add vg_mda_size and vg_mda_free functions.
  Simplify MD/swap signature detection in pvcreate and allow aborting.
  Allow --yes to be used without --force mode.
  Fix file descriptor leak in swap signature detection error path.
  Detect and allow abort in pvcreate if LUKS signature is detected.
  Always mask lock flags correctly when checking for LCK_WRITE.

Version 1.02.55 - 24th September 2010
=====================================
  Fix the way regions are marked complete to avoid slow --nosync cmirror I/O.
  Add DM_REPORT_FIELD_TYPE_ID_LEN to libdevmapper.h.

From jwbirdsong at jwbirdsong.homelinux.com  Tue Oct  5 01:03:43 2010
From: jwbirdsong at jwbirdsong.homelinux.com (J. W. Birdsong)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:03:43 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] lvm2/device-mapper
	2.02.74-1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=3510+NyH-UB8ab3d4g94d9B9E2V6hm9r6d4O+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=3510+NyH-UB8ab3d4g94d9B9E2V6hm9r6d4O+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101005050343.GA7551@Birdhost.jwbirdsong.homelinux.com>

On 10/04/10 at 07:42pm, Eric B?langer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  lvm2/device-mapper 2.02.74-1 are now in testing for an upstream
> update. Please test and signoff.  I couldn't test much the i686
> package except in a chroot so 2 signoffs for i686 would be nice.
> Signoff from users are welcome.
> 
> Eric
> 
>
Signoff  x86_64 
Running fine here encrypt LVM 
Yes I rebuilt  initramfs/rebooted snowman  :) 


From stavallo at unina.it  Tue Oct  5 14:24:36 2010
From: stavallo at unina.it (Stefano Avallone)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:24:36 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
Message-ID: <201010051823.o95INr16024696@smtp1.unina.it>

Hi,

just if anyone is interested... I compiled mesa 7.9 and tried the radeon 
gallium driver on a X300 ati card. It works pretty good. For instance, now I 
can use the blur effect of kwin 4.5, while I couldn't with classic mesa 7.9 
driver. I don't play games, so I cannot tell what is different with games...

Maybe we might have an ati-dri package in [testing] that ships r300g instead 
of r300c...

Stefano


From a.chidlow at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 14:27:26 2010
From: a.chidlow at gmail.com (Adam Chidlow)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:27:26 +0000
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
Message-ID: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>

Hey Stefano,

What instructions did you follow? I'm interested on testing this (HD 4850 here).

Cheers,
Adam
------Original Message------
From: Stefano Avallone
Sender: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org
To: General Discusson about Arch Linux
ReplyTo: stavallo at unina.it
ReplyTo: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
Sent: Oct 6, 2010 2:24 AM

Hi,

just if anyone is interested... I compiled mesa 7.9 and tried the radeon 
gallium driver on a X300 ati card. It works pretty good. For instance, now I 
can use the blur effect of kwin 4.5, while I couldn't with classic mesa 7.9 
driver. I don't play games, so I cannot tell what is different with games...

Maybe we might have an ati-dri package in [testing] that ships r300g instead 
of r300c...

Stefano




From sh at lutzhaase.com  Tue Oct  5 14:35:24 2010
From: sh at lutzhaase.com (Sven-Hendrik Haase)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:35:24 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>

 On 05.10.2010 20:27, Adam Chidlow wrote:
> Hey Stefano,
>
> What instructions did you follow? I'm interested on testing this (HD 4850 here).
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
> ------Original Message------
> From: Stefano Avallone
> Sender: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org
> To: General Discusson about Arch Linux
> ReplyTo: stavallo at unina.it
> ReplyTo: General Discussion about Arch Linux
> Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
> Sent: Oct 6, 2010 2:24 AM
>
> Hi,
>
> just if anyone is interested... I compiled mesa 7.9 and tried the radeon 
> gallium driver on a X300 ati card. It works pretty good. For instance, now I 
> can use the blur effect of kwin 4.5, while I couldn't with classic mesa 7.9 
> driver. I don't play games, so I cannot tell what is different with games...
>
> Maybe we might have an ati-dri package in [testing] that ships r300g instead 
> of r300c...
>
> Stefano
>
>
>
>
You can use my -gallium AUR packages. I use them on my r500 and it works
very well for games and the like.

From lordheavym at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 14:43:44 2010
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:43:44 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
Message-ID: <201010052043.44515.lordheavym@gmail.com>

Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 20:35:24, Sven-Hendrik Haase a ?crit :
>  On 05.10.2010 20:27, Adam Chidlow wrote:
> > Hey Stefano,
> > 
> > What instructions did you follow? I'm interested on testing this (HD 4850
> > here).
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Adam
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Stefano Avallone
> > Sender: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org
> > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux
> > ReplyTo: stavallo at unina.it
> > ReplyTo: General Discussion about Arch Linux
> > Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
> > Sent: Oct 6, 2010 2:24 AM
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > just if anyone is interested... I compiled mesa 7.9 and tried the radeon
> > gallium driver on a X300 ati card. It works pretty good. For instance,
> > now I can use the blur effect of kwin 4.5, while I couldn't with classic
> > mesa 7.9 driver. I don't play games, so I cannot tell what is different
> > with games...
> > 
> > Maybe we might have an ati-dri package in [testing] that ships r300g
> > instead of r300c...
> > 
> > Stefano
> 
> You can use my -gallium AUR packages. I use them on my r500 and it works
> very well for games and the like.

With the move to python2/python3 you need to add these lines to properly built 
if testing is enabled:

    sed -i -e 's#/bin/env python#/bin/env python2#g' \
        src/gallium/auxiliary/indices/*.py src/mesa/main/*.py
    sed -i -e 's#PYTHON2 = python#PYTHON2 = python2#g' \
        configs/current
    sed -i -e 's#python#python2#g' \
        src/gallium/auxiliary/Makefile

Works for me with r600g

++


From csgeek at esamir.com  Tue Oct  5 14:57:05 2010
From: csgeek at esamir.com (Samir)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:57:05 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] UbuntuOne
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6c51QewEJM9Sy55Hf+MrzPi6iktrqoLKH0Esb@mail.gmail.com>

I've noticed that there are some UbuntuOne related packages in aur,
but many of them are very out of date.

In theory, I'm told that we should be able to get UbuntuOne working
under any Linux distro..I was wondering if there was any reason for
the
current state of the aur packages.  Is there a technicaly issue that
prevents us from having more updated packages?

--
Samir

From stefanwilkens at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 15:06:56 2010
From: stefanwilkens at gmail.com (Stefan Erik Wilkens)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:06:56 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] UbuntuOne
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6c51QewEJM9Sy55Hf+MrzPi6iktrqoLKH0Esb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6c51QewEJM9Sy55Hf+MrzPi6iktrqoLKH0Esb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimV1Av6Jy9BRWha645CTmaeTDQ=9DA+LTueFfao@mail.gmail.com>

> I was wondering if there was any reason for
> the
> current state of the aur packages. ?Is there a technicaly issue that
> prevents us from having more updated packages?
>

As I'm sure you're aware, the AUR packages depend on their maintainers
updating them. I see the packages have been flagged out of date fairly
recently, around the 28th of september. Perhaps the maintainer hasn't
gotten around to updating them yet. Your next stop should be e-mailing
the maintainer, or attempting to upgrade the PKGBUILDS yourself (the
do not seem to require complicated adjustments).

Concerning the question of support for this on *any* distro: I have no
experience with UbuntuOne, sorry.

From atsutane at freethoughts.de  Tue Oct  5 15:13:33 2010
From: atsutane at freethoughts.de (Thorsten =?ISO-8859-1?B?VPZwcGVy?=)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:13:33 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] UbuntuOne
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6c51QewEJM9Sy55Hf+MrzPi6iktrqoLKH0Esb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6c51QewEJM9Sy55Hf+MrzPi6iktrqoLKH0Esb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101005211333.75dc4a5d@hell>

On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:57:05 -0500
Samir <csgeek at esamir.com> wrote:
> I've noticed that there are some UbuntuOne related packages in aur,
> but many of them are very out of date.
> 
> In theory, I'm told that we should be able to get UbuntuOne working
> under any Linux distro..I was wondering if there was any reason for
> the
> current state of the aur packages.  Is there a technicaly issue that
> prevents us from having more updated packages?

As packages in AUR are maintained by common users this has not really
to do with Arch itself. from a quick view it seems the Maintainer is
inactive. If you want to take care of the package write him a mail
asking what's the matter and if he can orphan the package if he is no
longer interested in them, if there was no reaction after two weeks,
write an orphan request to the [aur-general] mailing list. And one of
us TUs will orphan it for you.
 
-- 
Jabber: atsutane at freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/
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From csgeek at esamir.com  Tue Oct  5 15:21:57 2010
From: csgeek at esamir.com (Samir)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:21:57 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] UbuntuOne
In-Reply-To: <20101005211333.75dc4a5d@hell>
References: <AANLkTin6c51QewEJM9Sy55Hf+MrzPi6iktrqoLKH0Esb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101005211333.75dc4a5d@hell>
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Thanks for info.  I was mainly inquiring about the procedure more then
anything else.



On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Thorsten T?pper
<atsutane at freethoughts.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:57:05 -0500
> Samir <csgeek at esamir.com> wrote:
>> I've noticed that there are some UbuntuOne related packages in aur,
>> but many of them are very out of date.
>>
>> In theory, I'm told that we should be able to get UbuntuOne working
>> under any Linux distro..I was wondering if there was any reason for
>> the
>> current state of the aur packages. ?Is there a technicaly issue that
>> prevents us from having more updated packages?
>
> As packages in AUR are maintained by common users this has not really
> to do with Arch itself. from a quick view it seems the Maintainer is
> inactive. If you want to take care of the package write him a mail
> asking what's the matter and if he can orphan the package if he is no
> longer interested in them, if there was no reaction after two weeks,
> write an orphan request to the [aur-general] mailing list. And one of
> us TUs will orphan it for you.
>
> --
> Jabber: atsutane at freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/
> Key: 295AFBF4 ? ? FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4
>

From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 16:32:11 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:32:11 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] PostgreSQL 9.0.0 PKGBUILD
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZm0ANvou8_=__+64=Ng1Pv6FDC=yVzswLkb11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinKXWBOQjjWSc+7fW6wjtu_YPvFWTcaZB4USRp5@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin4zuPp0OuJh_zc71489x-R56Weeh1k9hQQddTo@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikZm0ANvou8_=__+64=Ng1Pv6FDC=yVzswLkb11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimtQCN=e-vCd-pyE=iK+ANhkqJPvBuBbwbV-EON@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Jan Steffens <jan.steffens at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Andrea Scarpino <andrea at archlinux.org> wrote:
>> Ditt fo 8.4.4-5 IS NOT attached.
>>
>> :)
>
> My outgoing email definitely had it attached. Maybe it got filtered?
>
> Anyway, here's a link:
> http://pkgbuild.com/~heftig/pg.diff

So you nixed the contrib and src/include directories because make
world covers all of that?

-Dan

From christian08 at runbox.com  Tue Oct  5 16:55:02 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:55:02 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
Message-ID: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>

Hi all,
I am learning more and more about Linux, but I would like to learn how to create startup scripts for my programs, any good resource? Where should I start?
Many thanks,
Christian


From ryrowi at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 16:58:56 2010
From: ryrowi at gmail.com (Ryan Williams)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:58:56 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6i9XjVu1JUWa0VQ-c7UdX1bEeoDrbSqffJefD@mail.gmail.com>

If you mean bash scripting, this is a good beginner's guide:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide

Otherwise you will have to provide some more information on exactly what you
want to do.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am learning more and more about Linux, but I would like to learn how to
> create startup scripts for my programs, any good resource? Where should I
> start?
> Many thanks,
> Christian
>
>

From mail at hehejo.de  Tue Oct  5 17:00:32 2010
From: mail at hehejo.de (Johannes Held)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:00:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>

"Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:
> Hi all,
> I am learning more and more about Linux, but I would like to learn how to
> create startup scripts for my programs, any good resource? Where should I
> start? Many thanks, Christian
> 
Take some initscript from /etc/rc.d, copy and adjust it to your needs.

-- 
Gru?, Johannes
http://hehejo.de
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From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 17:02:49 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:02:49 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am learning more and more about Linux, but I would like to learn how to create startup scripts for my programs, any good resource? Where should I start?
> Many thanks,
> Christian

Startup scripts are pretty specific to each distro.
* http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Writing_rc.d_scripts
* http://www.justinbritten.com/work/2009/05/god-initd-script-for-centos/

-Dan

From christian08 at runbox.com  Tue Oct  5 17:25:06 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:25:06 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
Message-ID: <201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-05 at 23:00 Johannes Held wrote:

>"Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:
>> Hi all,
>> I am learning more and more about Linux, but I would like to learn how to
>> create startup scripts for my programs, any good resource? Where should I
>> start? Many thanks, Christian
>> 
>Take some initscript from /etc/rc.d, copy and adjust it to your needs.
>
>-- 
>Gru?, Johannes
>http://hehejo.de

I have already done that, but it would be nice to know if some things should be included or not in the scripts. I would also like to get started in creating aur packages.
But this is bash scripts?


From christian08 at runbox.com  Tue Oct  5 17:26:57 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:26:57 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimKbPyh4EvTxB-uASeYa4qmfMVSgytErCg89wDr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTimKbPyh4EvTxB-uASeYa4qmfMVSgytErCg89wDr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010052326570859.002302A5@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-05 at 16:02 Dan McGee wrote:

>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am learning more and more about Linux, but I would like to learn how
>to create startup scripts for my programs, any good resource? Where should
>I start?
>> Many thanks,
>> Christian
>
>Startup scripts are pretty specific to each distro.
>* http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Writing_rc.d_scripts
>* http://www.justinbritten.com/work/2009/05/god-initd-script-for-centos/
>
>-Dan

Yes, it's rc.d scripts I would like to write.
Christian


From mail at hehejo.de  Tue Oct  5 17:38:04 2010
From: mail at hehejo.de (Johannes Held)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:38:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
	<201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20101005233804.6b8be1e8@hehejo.de>

"Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:
> I would also like to get started in creating aur packages.
> But this is bash scripts?
Jep, nearly everything on ArchLinux is made via bash (exceptions are pacman and
friends).

Whether you want to crreate aur packages or alter provided packages you need to
learn about PKGBUILD and the ABS (ArchBuildSystem).
Go read the wiki about them - it's really easy and fast forward!

-- 
Gru?, Johannes
http://hehejo.de
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From stavallo at unina.it  Tue Oct  5 17:41:26 2010
From: stavallo at unina.it (Stefano Avallone)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:41:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
Message-ID: <201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>

On Tuesday 05 October 2010 20:35:24 Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:
>  On 05.10.2010 20:27, Adam Chidlow wrote:
> > Hey Stefano,
> > 
> > What instructions did you follow? I'm interested on testing this (HD 4850
> > here).
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Adam
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Stefano Avallone
> > Sender: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org
> > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux
> > ReplyTo: stavallo at unina.it
> > ReplyTo: General Discussion about Arch Linux
> > Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
> > Sent: Oct 6, 2010 2:24 AM
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > just if anyone is interested... I compiled mesa 7.9 and tried the radeon
> > gallium driver on a X300 ati card. It works pretty good. For instance,
> > now I can use the blur effect of kwin 4.5, while I couldn't with classic
> > mesa 7.9 driver. I don't play games, so I cannot tell what is different
> > with games...
> > 
> > Maybe we might have an ati-dri package in [testing] that ships r300g
> > instead of r300c...
> > 
> > Stefano
> 
> You can use my -gallium AUR packages. I use them on my r500 and it works
> very well for games and the like.

Of course you can use the AUR packages, which download the current mesa 
git master. What I did was to adapt the PKGBUILD for mesa found in [extra] to 
build mesa 7.9 and then copying ${srcdir}/Mesa-7.9/lib/gallium/r300_dri.so to 
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/

Stefano



From christian08 at runbox.com  Tue Oct  5 18:00:52 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 00:00:52 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <20101005233804.6b8be1e8@hehejo.de>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
	<201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005233804.6b8be1e8@hehejo.de>
Message-ID: <201010060000520031.00420CA1@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-05 at 23:38 Johannes Held wrote:

>"Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:
>> I would also like to get started in creating aur packages.
>> But this is bash scripts?
>Jep, nearly everything on ArchLinux is made via bash (exceptions are
>pacman and
>friends).
>
>Whether you want to crreate aur packages or alter provided packages you
>need to
>learn about PKGBUILD and the ABS (ArchBuildSystem).
>Go read the wiki about them - it's really easy and fast forward!
>
>-- 
>Gru?, Johannes
>http://hehejo.de

OK, just want to be sure if I want to create rc scripts I should read up on bash scripting?


From mail at hehejo.de  Tue Oct  5 18:22:30 2010
From: mail at hehejo.de (Johannes Held)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:22:30 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <201010060000520031.00420CA1@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
	<201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005233804.6b8be1e8@hehejo.de>
	<201010060000520031.00420CA1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20101006002230.20bb53cd@hehejo.de>

"Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:
> OK, just want to be sure if I want to create rc scripts I should read up on
> bash scripting?
Hehe, that depends! If you need to do really complicated things - yes!
If you simply want to start some program like you would from shell - no!

-- 
Gru?, Johannes
http://hehejo.de
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From ngoonee at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 18:29:20 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:29:20 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
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	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
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Message-ID: <1286317760.30445.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 00:22 +0200, Johannes Held wrote:
> "Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:
> > OK, just want to be sure if I want to create rc scripts I should read up on
> > bash scripting?
> Hehe, that depends! If you need to do really complicated things - yes!
> If you simply want to start some program like you would from shell - no!
> 
The shell is bash, anyway....


From christian08 at runbox.com  Tue Oct  5 18:59:41 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 00:59:41 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <20101006002230.20bb53cd@hehejo.de>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
	<201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005233804.6b8be1e8@hehejo.de>
	<201010060000520031.00420CA1@127.0.0.1>
	<20101006002230.20bb53cd@hehejo.de>
Message-ID: <201010060059410406.0003F425@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-06 at 00:22 Johannes Held wrote:

>"Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com>:
>> OK, just want to be sure if I want to create rc scripts I should read up
>on
>> bash scripting?
>Hehe, that depends! If you need to do really complicated things - yes!
>If you simply want to start some program like you would from shell - no!
>
>-- 
>Gru?, Johannes
>http://hehejo.de

I want to start my programs at boot time from /etc/rc.d
OK i will read up on bash scripting then and see what I can come up with!
I just want to understand what certain things mean and if I can leave them out or not when I copy and use other scripts to stat programs.
Christian


From ngoonee at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 23:21:04 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:21:04 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] meld in [testing] lower version than meld in [extra]
Message-ID: <1286335264.9558.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21100

Bug submitted.


From jeff at deserettechnology.com  Wed Oct  6 06:18:05 2010
From: jeff at deserettechnology.com (Jeff Cook)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:18:05 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
	<201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhCLQ34s_AL4JWa+jEbi1Wk--g80q4a-85sULW@mail.gmail.com>

My understanding is that r300g is the new default in Mesa 7.9. See
http://www.mail-archive.com/mesa-commit at lists.freedesktop.org/msg23390.html
. Does this mean that Arch will automatically switch to it on release
of Mesa or will extra steps be required?

From jeremiah.dodds at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 08:59:36 2010
From: jeremiah.dodds at gmail.com (Jeremiah Dodds)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:59:36 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <201010060059410406.0003F425@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>
	<201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>
	<20101005233804.6b8be1e8@hehejo.de>
	<201010060000520031.00420CA1@127.0.0.1>
	<20101006002230.20bb53cd@hehejo.de>
	<201010060059410406.0003F425@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=m2LDH7EWbHjURh-F3RicCU=V5Pc1L6ypVtRg2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:

> I want to start my programs at boot time from /etc/rc.d
> OK i will read up on bash scripting then and see what I can come up with!
> I just want to understand what certain things mean and if I can leave them
> out or not when I copy and use other scripts to stat programs.
> Christian
>
>
man bash, and read the existing init scripts. the stuff in arch is, as far
as i've seen, clean and well commented. bash scripting has a lot of quirky
little edge areas though, so it can be hard to ease into. Chapters 7-9 of
http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz and the whole of
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ helped me out when I was starting to get into
bash scripting. that was back in 2002 or so, so there may be better
resources available.

oh, and don't expect to read all of the bash man page at once. it's huge,
and filled with all kinds of treasure.

tinker, and don't be afraid to break things! (you may want to make sure you
won't be losing anything hugely important before not fearing breakage ... ).
you'll wake up one day and realize you're the master of your machine, and a
glorious day it will be.

From baker.stephen.e at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 09:05:16 2010
From: baker.stephen.e at gmail.com (Stephen E. Baker)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:05:16 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikhCLQ34s_AL4JWa+jEbi1Wk--g80q4a-85sULW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
	<201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>
	<AANLkTikhCLQ34s_AL4JWa+jEbi1Wk--g80q4a-85sULW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=7MoT70k290fMErZmLRw=Y0m93PkCJ-c7dYhUU@mail.gmail.com>

> My understanding is that r300g is the new default in Mesa 7.9. See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mesa-commit at lists.freedesktop.org/msg23390.html
> . Does this mean that Arch will automatically switch to it on release
> of Mesa or will extra steps be required?

As I understand it the PKGBUILD will also have to be altered.  The
driver will be built by default but not installed to
"/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/" as mentioned by Stafano.  The purpose of
having both drivers built is so that one could experiment with the
gallium driver with export LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH = ... before executing
particular opengl programs without switching outright.

I've been doing this for a couple weeks now with the git version of
just the r300g driver running with Arch's packaged mesa 7.8 and have
found that it has fixed all the bugs I was having in Neverwinter
Nights and eduke32 with no new problems besides the occasional
stuttering when fps drops too low.  I would vote for making it the
default in Arch with mesa 7.9.

From sh at lutzhaase.com  Wed Oct  6 09:14:00 2010
From: sh at lutzhaase.com (Sven-Hendrik Haase)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:14:00 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=7MoT70k290fMErZmLRw=Y0m93PkCJ-c7dYhUU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>	<201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>	<AANLkTikhCLQ34s_AL4JWa+jEbi1Wk--g80q4a-85sULW@mail.gmail.com>
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 On 06.10.2010 15:05, Stephen E. Baker wrote:
>> My understanding is that r300g is the new default in Mesa 7.9. See
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mesa-commit at lists.freedesktop.org/msg23390.html
>> . Does this mean that Arch will automatically switch to it on release
>> of Mesa or will extra steps be required?
> As I understand it the PKGBUILD will also have to be altered.  The
> driver will be built by default but not installed to
> "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/" as mentioned by Stafano.  The purpose of
> having both drivers built is so that one could experiment with the
> gallium driver with export LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH = ... before executing
> particular opengl programs without switching outright.
>
> I've been doing this for a couple weeks now with the git version of
> just the r300g driver running with Arch's packaged mesa 7.8 and have
> found that it has fixed all the bugs I was having in Neverwinter
> Nights and eduke32 with no new problems besides the occasional
> stuttering when fps drops too low.  I would vote for making it the
> default in Arch with mesa 7.9.
>
I'm seconding this. r300g is working exceptionally well compared to r300
and it is very stable even with lots of 3D stuff and wine games. I'd
definitely want this to be the default in Arch. Perhaps we should file a
bug report. In fact, I will file one if we  can get a few more opinions
on this.

I think it would be a very beneficial idea for Arch users.

-- Sven-Hendrik

From uebershark at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  6 10:41:34 2010
From: uebershark at googlemail.com (Tom)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:41:34 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <4CAC7618.40107@lutzhaase.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
	<201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>
	<AANLkTikhCLQ34s_AL4JWa+jEbi1Wk--g80q4a-85sULW@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=7MoT70k290fMErZmLRw=Y0m93PkCJ-c7dYhUU@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAC7618.40107@lutzhaase.com>
Message-ID: <20101006164134.3bad9c11@googlemail.com>

> I'm seconding this. r300g is working exceptionally well compared to
> r300 and it is very stable even with lots of 3D stuff and wine games.
> I'd definitely want this to be the default in Arch. Perhaps we should
> file a bug report. In fact, I will file one if we  can get a few more
> opinions on this.
> 
> I think it would be a very beneficial idea for Arch users.
> 
> -- Sven-Hendrik

Well is there any reason this should NOT be made default once Arch
updates to Mesa 7.9 if it IS the default in new mesa??
Why would/should arch differ?

Sidenote: been running r300g for ages, no worries...

Tom

From anthony at extof.me  Wed Oct  6 13:39:33 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:39:33 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <20101006164134.3bad9c11@googlemail.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
	<201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Tom <uebershark at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I'm seconding this. r300g is working exceptionally well compared to
>> r300 and it is very stable even with lots of 3D stuff and wine games.
>> I'd definitely want this to be the default in Arch. Perhaps we should
>> file a bug report. In fact, I will file one if we ?can get a few more
>> opinions on this.
>>
>> I think it would be a very beneficial idea for Arch users.
>>
>> -- Sven-Hendrik
>
> Well is there any reason this should NOT be made default once Arch
> updates to Mesa 7.9 if it IS the default in new mesa??
> Why would/should arch differ?

i wouldn't think so.

> Sidenote: been running r300g for ages, no worries...

that's great news, along with other positive feedback.  this whole
message is rather devoid of new content, but it's really wonderful to
see Gallium reaching fruition; it's been a long wait and it seems to
really be living up to it's promises.

haven't tried the Gallium driver for my 4850 (if one is ready-ish?),
but this thread is very encouraging.  especially interesting is the
recent port of the Direct3D API to a native state tracker (i think
that's the right terms)... Linux gaming may just force it's way into
existence, vs. the perpetual wait for vendor support :-)

C Anthony

From sh at lutzhaase.com  Wed Oct  6 15:06:56 2010
From: sh at lutzhaase.com (Sven-Hendrik Haase)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:06:56 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=12ZCdjJXij5Upk8hFAk8jkWe_QSVhQyy0ZFy0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>	<201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>	<AANLkTikhCLQ34s_AL4JWa+jEbi1Wk--g80q4a-85sULW@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=7MoT70k290fMErZmLRw=Y0m93PkCJ-c7dYhUU@mail.gmail.com>	<4CAC7618.40107@lutzhaase.com>	<20101006164134.3bad9c11@googlemail.com>
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Message-ID: <4CACC8D0.1060506@lutzhaase.com>

 On 06.10.2010 19:39, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Tom <uebershark at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm seconding this. r300g is working exceptionally well compared to
>>> r300 and it is very stable even with lots of 3D stuff and wine games.
>>> I'd definitely want this to be the default in Arch. Perhaps we should
>>> file a bug report. In fact, I will file one if we  can get a few more
>>> opinions on this.
>>>
>>> I think it would be a very beneficial idea for Arch users.
>>>
>>> -- Sven-Hendrik
>> Well is there any reason this should NOT be made default once Arch
>> updates to Mesa 7.9 if it IS the default in new mesa??
>> Why would/should arch differ?
> i wouldn't think so.
>
>> Sidenote: been running r300g for ages, no worries...
> that's great news, along with other positive feedback.  this whole
> message is rather devoid of new content, but it's really wonderful to
> see Gallium reaching fruition; it's been a long wait and it seems to
> really be living up to it's promises.
>
> haven't tried the Gallium driver for my 4850 (if one is ready-ish?),
> but this thread is very encouraging.  especially interesting is the
> recent port of the Direct3D API to a native state tracker (i think
> that's the right terms)... Linux gaming may just force it's way into
> existence, vs. the perpetual wait for vendor support :-)
>
> C Anthony
>
Careful, r600g (for your mighty fine 4850) does not currently do what
you think. In fact, upstream currently and openly discourages its usage
for anything but shy testing. It might eat your babies if used for
production.

Double careful with the hopes for D3D used in Linux gaming. It is
effectively useless for Wine since their current implementation
integrates better with the other needs of a Windows game (Windows API !=
Direct3D). Even if a perfect, full-blown D3D 13 implementation went into
Mesa, you couldn't run a single Windows game because of that. D3D on
Linux is primarily meant for close-to-metal 3D virtualization (which in
return would enable you gaming, though, but in a VM). Wine isn't going
to switch to Mesa's implementation anytime soon.

So for now: r300g with wine (works awesome here).

-- Sven-Hendrik

From tschertel at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 16:02:41 2010
From: tschertel at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_Acauan_Schertel?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:02:41 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Rope as a anjuta dependency
Message-ID: <AANLkTimj8Of35rayzopzX2P3wERfLGFwO98XyRSSLrqs@mail.gmail.com>

Now that Anjuta IDE supports python, and to have full integration with
python, rope [1] is needed, isn't a good idea bring rope do extra repo
instead of having it in AUR?

Thanks.

[1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=13702


--
Tom?s A. Schertel
----------------------------------------------
Linux Registered User #304838
Arch Linux User
http://www.archlinux-br.org/
----------------------------------------------

From anthony at extof.me  Wed Oct  6 18:04:12 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:04:12 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] some notes on the radeon gallium driver
In-Reply-To: <4CACC8D0.1060506@lutzhaase.com>
References: <870585236-1286303248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1878505880-@bda096.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry>
	<4CAB6FEC.5050003@lutzhaase.com>
	<201010052341.26349.stavallo@unina.it>
	<AANLkTikhCLQ34s_AL4JWa+jEbi1Wk--g80q4a-85sULW@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh at lutzhaase.com> wrote:
> ?On 06.10.2010 19:39, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Tom <uebershark at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm seconding this. r300g is working exceptionally well compared to
>>>> r300 and it is very stable even with lots of 3D stuff and wine games.
>>>> I'd definitely want this to be the default in Arch. Perhaps we should
>>>> file a bug report. In fact, I will file one if we ?can get a few more
>>>> opinions on this.
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be a very beneficial idea for Arch users.
>>>>
>>>> -- Sven-Hendrik
>>> Well is there any reason this should NOT be made default once Arch
>>> updates to Mesa 7.9 if it IS the default in new mesa??
>>> Why would/should arch differ?
>> i wouldn't think so.
>>
>>> Sidenote: been running r300g for ages, no worries...
>> that's great news, along with other positive feedback. ?this whole
>> message is rather devoid of new content, but it's really wonderful to
>> see Gallium reaching fruition; it's been a long wait and it seems to
>> really be living up to it's promises.
>>
>> haven't tried the Gallium driver for my 4850 (if one is ready-ish?),
>> but this thread is very encouraging. ?especially interesting is the
>> recent port of the Direct3D API to a native state tracker (i think
>> that's the right terms)... Linux gaming may just force it's way into
>> existence, vs. the perpetual wait for vendor support :-)
>>
>> C Anthony
>>
> Careful, r600g (for your mighty fine 4850) does not currently do what
> you think. In fact, upstream currently and openly discourages its usage
> for anything but shy testing. It might eat your babies if used for
> production.

luckily he's almost a toddler and can probably fight it off :-)

well that sucks; i'll just keep waiting i suppose, thanks.

> Double careful with the hopes for D3D used in Linux gaming. It is
> effectively useless for Wine since their current implementation
> integrates better with the other needs of a Windows game (Windows API !=
> Direct3D). Even if a perfect, full-blown D3D 13 implementation went into
> Mesa, you couldn't run a single Windows game because of that. D3D on
> Linux is primarily meant for close-to-metal 3D virtualization (which in
> return would enable you gaming, though, but in a VM). Wine isn't going
> to switch to Mesa's implementation anytime soon.

i dont want to stray too off-topic; i know there is much more to a
game than D3D, but in the brief research i did, it seemed much closer
than you've hinted.  the guy even threw up a patch for wine to use the
tracker shortly after IIRC.  all in all, wine was still required of
course; i didn't see any indication of a VM/etc. but i see how it
could be used for that as well.

will have to look into it further i suppose; i just know several
people who do not bother with Linux for this exact reason, so it
appeared a solid move.

C Anthony

From angvp at archlinux.org  Wed Oct  6 19:21:41 2010
From: angvp at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1ngel_Vel=E1squez?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:21:41 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Rope as a anjuta dependency
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimj8Of35rayzopzX2P3wERfLGFwO98XyRSSLrqs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimj8Of35rayzopzX2P3wERfLGFwO98XyRSSLrqs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=n1sCSrogtPCDVG9GZSnmmkB5eOXymX=9Rk92q@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/6 Tom?s Acauan Schertel <tschertel at gmail.com>:
> Now that Anjuta IDE supports python, and to have full integration with
> python, rope [1] is needed, isn't a good idea bring rope do extra repo
> instead of having it in AUR?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=13702
>
>

Good idea, also package name can be renamed to python-rope. If nobody
can maintain it, I can move it and maintain it after "the big python
rebuild", anyone?

Cheers

-- 
Angel Vel?squez
angvp @ irc.freenode.net
Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User
Linux Counter: #359909
http://www.angvp.com

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Wed Oct  6 23:05:05 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:05:05 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] update to kde 4.5.2 - no sound - tries to remove my
	devices??
Message-ID: <4CAD38E1.1040803@suddenlinkmail.com>

Guys,

	I updated to 4.5.2 today and on start, kde4 asked to remove all my sound
devices. So I chose - 'manage devices'. All of my sound devices are grayed out
and the 'default' doesn't work. (screenshot of devices dialog here):

[81k]
http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/Archlinux/bugs/kde4-nosound.png

	The sound is "HDA Nvidia (ALC888 Analog)" and the same for digital and HDMI. I
looked through dmesg to see if there was anything glaring, but there wasn't.
(dmesg output here):

[44k]
http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/Archlinux/bugs/dmesg-20101006.txt

	Has anyone else seen this with the new kde4? If so any ideas how best to
troubleshoot? Thanks for any help you can provide.


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From charmender at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 00:40:27 2010
From: charmender at gmail.com (Angus)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:40:27 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
Message-ID: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad Arch did the python3 transition and I agree with python3
being the default version (i.e. having 'python' symlink to
'python3.x').

But what's the reason for no longer having a package named 'python3'
with a symlink to 'python3.x'? It would make (/have made) the
transition a little easier, no? Any harm done in providing it?

From allan at archlinux.org  Thu Oct  7 00:49:07 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:49:07 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>

On 07/10/10 14:40, Angus wrote:
> I'm glad Arch did the python3 transition and I agree with python3
> being the default version (i.e. having 'python' symlink to
> 'python3.x').
>
> But what's the reason for no longer having a package named 'python3'
> with a symlink to 'python3.x'? It would make (/have made) the
> transition a little easier, no? Any harm done in providing it?
>

I have no idea what you are talking about...

 > pacman -Ss python3
testing/python 3.1.2-2 [installed]
     Next generation of the python high-level scripting language
community/python3 3.1.2-4
     Next generation of the python high-level scripting language

Note that testing/python will replace the community/python3 once it 
moves to [extra].

Allan


From charmender at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 00:59:14 2010
From: charmender at gmail.com (Angus)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:59:14 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 07/10/10 14:40, Angus wrote:
>>
>> I'm glad Arch did the python3 transition and I agree with python3
>> being the default version (i.e. having 'python' symlink to
>> 'python3.x').
>>
>> But what's the reason for no longer having a package named 'python3'
>> with a symlink to 'python3.x'? It would make (/have made) the
>> transition a little easier, no? Any harm done in providing it?
>>
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about...
>
>> pacman -Ss python3
> testing/python 3.1.2-2 [installed]
> ? ?Next generation of the python high-level scripting language
> community/python3 3.1.2-4
> ? ?Next generation of the python high-level scripting language
>
> Note that testing/python will replace the community/python3 once it moves to
> [extra].
>
> Allan
>
>

Argh... sorry for not checking things properly first...

It's just that when I tried to update my packages (includer AUR) I saw this:

:: Replace python3 with testing/python? [Y/n]
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: pyqt-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1
:: sip-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1

...and just assumed that meant 'python3' was set to disappear.

Ang

From allan at archlinux.org  Thu Oct  7 01:22:37 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:22:37 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>	<4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAD591D.8030005@archlinux.org>

On 07/10/10 14:59, Angus wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Allan McRae<allan at archlinux.org>  wrote:
>> On 07/10/10 14:40, Angus wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm glad Arch did the python3 transition and I agree with python3
>>> being the default version (i.e. having 'python' symlink to
>>> 'python3.x').
>>>
>>> But what's the reason for no longer having a package named 'python3'
>>> with a symlink to 'python3.x'? It would make (/have made) the
>>> transition a little easier, no? Any harm done in providing it?
>>>
>>
>> I have no idea what you are talking about...
>>
>>> pacman -Ss python3
>> testing/python 3.1.2-2 [installed]
>>     Next generation of the python high-level scripting language
>> community/python3 3.1.2-4
>>     Next generation of the python high-level scripting language
>>
>> Note that testing/python will replace the community/python3 once it moves to
>> [extra].
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>
> Argh... sorry for not checking things properly first...
>
> It's just that when I tried to update my packages (includer AUR) I saw this:
>
> :: Replace python3 with testing/python? [Y/n]
> resolving dependencies...
> looking for inter-conflicts...
> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
> :: pyqt-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1
> :: sip-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1
>
> ...and just assumed that meant 'python3' was set to disappear.

Hmm...  I probably should have added a version to the provides line in 
the python package.   Currently it only provides "python3" and not a 
version so the versioned deps in those AUR packages are causing issues. 
  I'll get around to that before this exits [testing]....

Allan

From charmender at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 01:32:19 2010
From: charmender at gmail.com (Angus)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:32:19 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <4CAD591D.8030005@archlinux.org>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD591D.8030005@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=nxTj+BJ2MnTbA8=jMu21YHAhN8uAwwmP9puZQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Hmm... ?I probably should have added a version to the provides line in the
> python package. ? Currently it only provides "python3" and not a version so
> the versioned deps in those AUR packages are causing issues. ?I'll get
> around to that before this exits [testing]....
>
> Allan
>

Yes, that makes sense. Thank you for your quick responses and solution.

Ang

From pyther at pyther.net  Thu Oct  7 07:48:16 2010
From: pyther at pyther.net (Matthew Gyurgyik)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:48:16 -0400
Subject: [arch-general]
 =?utf-8?q?update_to_kde_4=2E5=2E2_-_no_sound_-_tri?=
 =?utf-8?q?es_to_remove_my_devices=3F=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <4CAD38E1.1040803@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CAD38E1.1040803@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <82173b64871371fa5792c2dd05ffb3a3@localhost>

On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:05:05 -0500, "David C. Rankin"
<drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> 	I updated to 4.5.2 today and on start, kde4 asked to remove all my
sound
> devices. So I chose - 'manage devices'. All of my sound devices are
grayed
> out
> and the 'default' doesn't work. (screenshot of devices dialog here):
> 
> [81k]
> http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/Archlinux/bugs/kde4-nosound.png
> 
> 	The sound is "HDA Nvidia (ALC888 Analog)" and the same for digital and
> 	HDMI. I
> looked through dmesg to see if there was anything glaring, but there
> wasn't.
> (dmesg output here):
> 
> [44k]
> http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/Archlinux/bugs/dmesg-20101006.txt
> 
> 	Has anyone else seen this with the new kde4? If so any ideas how best
to
> troubleshoot? Thanks for any help you can provide.

I am not a kde user, but....

I did a google search for "phonon sound device grayed out"
http://www.google.com/search?q=phonon+sound+device+grayed+out&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

I found the following two links which may be helpful:
http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=88436
http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2008-09/msg01853.html

From bsambale at gmx.de  Thu Oct  7 11:18:02 2010
From: bsambale at gmx.de (Benjamin Sambale)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:18:02 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] umount usb stick via udev
Message-ID: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de>

  Dear arch users,

I managed to mount my usb stick automatically via udev rules (hal isn't 
running). However, if I unplug the stick while thunar is open, the 
umount command hangs. After that I can't even reboot. But if I close 
thunar before unplugging the stick umount works fine.
Here is my udev rule:

SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*", 
SYMLINK+="unistick%n"
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*", 
ACTION=="add", RUN+="/usr/bin/sudo -u benjamin /bin/mount /media/unistick"
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*", 
ACTION=="remove", RUN+="umount /media/unistick"

And here is the corresponding line of fstab:

/dev/unistick1          /media/unistick vfat rw,noauto,user,utf8,noatime 
   0      0

Thanks for any help,
Benjamin


From thomas at archlinux.org  Thu Oct  7 11:32:41 2010
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:32:41 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] umount usb stick via udev
In-Reply-To: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de>
References: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4CADE819.7010605@archlinux.org>

Am 07.10.2010 17:18, schrieb Benjamin Sambale:
> I managed to mount my usb stick automatically via udev rules (hal isn't
> running). However, if I unplug the stick while thunar is open, the
> umount command hangs. After that I can't even reboot. But if I close
> thunar before unplugging the stick umount works fine.

Automatic umounting is neither intended nor safe. The reason is obvious:
To guarantee data consistency and proper functionality of the operating
system, the file system has to be removed _before_ the underlying device
is. This obviously cannot happen automatically.

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From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct  7 12:16:07 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:16:07 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Dovecot: bug or user error?
Message-ID: <20101007161607.GB10034@cs.dal.ca>

Hi archers,

I've just made one of my machines an arch box, and one thing that gave
me headaches no end was setting up dovecot on it.  In my setup I'm using
PAM authentication with a passwd userdb.  So no reliance on mysql or
postgreql.  When installing dovecot, pacman informs me that I may want
to install some mysql or postgresql libraries as *optional* dependencies
if I want to use those backends.  Since I don't, I didn't install these
libraries at first.  After some long debugging sessions, I realized that
my failure to connect to my freshly setup dovecot server was because
dovecot-auth failed.  It was looking for the mysql and postgreql shared
libraries that were not installed.  After installing these libraries,
all was fine.

So now I'm wondering whether there may be something wrong with my setup
that forces dovecot to at least try the mysql/postgresql backends, which
it would need those libraries for.  The other option is that I did
everything right, and dovecot-auth is simply linked against those
libraries and cannot run without them, no matter what the configuration
file says.

In the former case, I'd appreciate some enlightenment as to what I
should be looking for in my configuration to remove dovecot's dependency
on these libraries.

In the latter case, I'd say a bug report is in order because if
dovecot-auth relies on these libraries, they should be pulled in as
dependencies instead of being declared optional.

Cheers,
Norbert


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From scott.olsen at countrystone.com  Thu Oct  7 12:25:16 2010
From: scott.olsen at countrystone.com (Scott Olsen)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:25:16 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] AWN applets crashing
Message-ID: <4CADF46C.1070905@countrystone.com>

Hello,
For the past week or so, most of my awn applets have been failing to 
load (with the exception of the cairo menu, task manager, clock, and 
notification area).

The modules that is is failing to load (pygtk, awn, etc.) are present in 
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages. However 
/usr/lib/python3.1/site-packages is empty (aside from README). My guess 
is that awn is running using python3, since /usr/bin/python is symlinked 
to python3. Is there a way I can confirm this? If this is the case, how 
would I go about fixing it?


Relative packages installed:
python 3.1.2-2 (python testing)
python 2.7-2 (python2 testing)
avant-window-navigator 0.4.0-8 (community-testing)
awn-extras-applets 0.4.0-6 (community-testing)

Here is the stdout:
---
scott at ahab% avant-window-navigator
Screen is composited
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Updating dialog colours
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20516] for 
"cairo-menu.desktop", UID: 1279819072, XID: 35651638
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20518] for 
"stacks.desktop", UID: 1281624089, XID: 35651639
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20519] for 
"taskmanager.desktop", UID: 3, XID: 35651640
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20520] for 
"notification-area.desktop", UID: 1279819179, XID: 35651641
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20521] for 
"battery.desktop", UID: 1279818918, XID: 35651642
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20522] for 
"bandwidth-monitor.desktop", UID: 1279827763, XID: 35651643
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20523] for 
"weather.desktop", UID: 1279819372, XID: 35651644
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20524] for 
"digital-clock.desktop", UID: 1279822483, XID: 35651645
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20525] for 
"slickswitcher.desktop", UID: 1279910614, XID: 35651646
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20526] for 
"cpufreq.desktop", UID: 1283547769, XID: 35651647
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20527] for 
"thinkhdaps.desktop", UID: 1283549629, XID: 35651648
   File 
"/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/stacks/stacks_applet.py", 
line 314
     self.emit("stacks-item-created", self.backend.get_store(), iter)
                                                                    ^
TabError: inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in indentation
   File "/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/battery/battery.py", 
line 373
     except dbus.DBusException, e:
                              ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
   File 
"/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/bandwidth-monitor/awn-bwm.py", line 
666
     step = 1L
             ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
   File "/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/weather/weather.py", 
line 187
     except IOError, e:
                   ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File 
"/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/slickswitcher/slickswitcher.py", 
line 21, in <module>
     import awn, sys
ImportError: No module named awn

** (awn-applet:20519): CRITICAL **: File not found: 
'/usr/share/applications/amdcccle.desktop'
** (awn-applet:20519): DEBUG: task_manager_refresh_launcher_paths: Bad 
desktop file '/usr/share/applications/amdcccle.desktop'
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/cpufreq/cpufreq.py", 
line 21, in <module>
     import pygtk
ImportError: No module named pygtk
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File 
"/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/thinkhdaps/thinkhdaps.py", 
line 20, in <module>
     import pygtk
ImportError: No module named pygtk

** (awn-applet:20519): CRITICAL **: File not found: 
'/usr/share/applications/amdcccle.desktop'
** (awn-applet:20519): DEBUG: task_manager_refresh_launcher_paths: Bad 
desktop file '/usr/share/applications/amdcccle.desktop'
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named gconf
** (avant-window-navigator:20514): DEBUG: Spawned awn-applet[20565] for 
"thinkhdaps.desktop", UID: 1283549629, XID: 35651648
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File 
"/usr/share/avant-window-navigator/applets/thinkhdaps/thinkhdaps.py", 
line 20, in <module>
     import pygtk
ImportError: No module named pygtk
---

-- 
Scott Olsen

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Thu Oct  7 12:37:00 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:37:00 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] AWN applets crashing
In-Reply-To: <4CADF46C.1070905@countrystone.com>
References: <4CADF46C.1070905@countrystone.com>
Message-ID: <4CADF72C.3080303@archlinux.org>

On 10/07/2010 07:25 PM, Scott Olsen wrote:
> Hello,
> For the past week or so, most of my awn applets have been failing to
> load (with the exception of the cairo menu, task manager, clock, and
> notification area).
>
> The modules that is is failing to load (pygtk, awn, etc.) are present in
> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages. However
> /usr/lib/python3.1/site-packages is empty (aside from README). My guess
> is that awn is running using python3, since /usr/bin/python is symlinked
> to python3. Is there a way I can confirm this? If this is the case, how
> would I go about fixing it?
>
>
> Relative packages installed:
> python 3.1.2-2 (python testing)
> python 2.7-2 (python2 testing)
> avant-window-navigator 0.4.0-8 (community-testing)
> awn-extras-applets 0.4.0-6 (community-testing)
>

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21130

-- 
Ionu?

From bsambale at gmx.de  Thu Oct  7 13:08:26 2010
From: bsambale at gmx.de (Benjamin Sambale)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:08:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] umount usb stick via udev
In-Reply-To: <4CADE819.7010605@archlinux.org>
References: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de> <4CADE819.7010605@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <4CADFE8A.7030608@gmx.de>

  Am 07.10.2010 17:32, schrieb Thomas B?chler:
> Am 07.10.2010 17:18, schrieb Benjamin Sambale:
>> I managed to mount my usb stick automatically via udev rules (hal isn't
>> running). However, if I unplug the stick while thunar is open, the
>> umount command hangs. After that I can't even reboot. But if I close
>> thunar before unplugging the stick umount works fine.
> Automatic umounting is neither intended nor safe. The reason is obvious:
> To guarantee data consistency and proper functionality of the operating
> system, the file system has to be removed _before_ the underlying device
> is. This obviously cannot happen automatically.
>

Thanks for the reply. I know that unplugging the stick before umounting 
is kind of "unsafe". However, I never had problems with this and of 
course I do not unplug while files are get written. By the way the udev 
page on archwiki also suggests umounting in a udev rule. Finally, as I 
wrote before everything works if I close thunar before. And using hal it 
works in all cases anyway.
So, I'm still grateful for further hints.

From jan at jgc.homeip.net  Thu Oct  7 13:26:57 2010
From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:26:57 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Dovecot: bug or user error?
In-Reply-To: <20101007161607.GB10034@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101007161607.GB10034@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <1286472417.2653.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 13:16 -0300, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> After some long debugging sessions, I realized that
> my failure to connect to my freshly setup dovecot server was because
> dovecot-auth failed.  It was looking for the mysql and postgreql
> shared
> libraries that were not installed. 

If dovecot-auth links to the mysql and/or postgresql libraries, those
libraries should not be in optdepends, but in depends.
The problem with adding link-level dependencies for optional components
to optdepends is that namcap doesn't know why you added the optdepend,
and doesn't report any warning about link-level dependencies for
optdepends. We've seen these bugs in several applications, so
maintainers should really pay attention to this.


From ingeniware at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 14:00:07 2010
From: ingeniware at gmail.com (Sergey Manucharian)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:00:07 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] umount usb stick via udev
In-Reply-To: <4CADFE8A.7030608@gmx.de>
References: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de> <4CADE819.7010605@archlinux.org>
	<4CADFE8A.7030608@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20101007120007.7f585bc7@laser-sm.laser>

Hi Benjamin,

Excerpts from Benjamin Sambale's message of Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:08
+0200:

>   Am 07.10.2010 17:32, schrieb Thomas B?chler:
> > Am 07.10.2010 17:18, schrieb Benjamin Sambale:
> >> I managed to mount my usb stick automatically via udev rules (hal
> >> isn't running). However, if I unplug the stick while thunar is
> >> open, the umount command hangs. After that I can't even reboot.
> >> But if I close thunar before unplugging the stick umount works
> >> fine.
> > Automatic umounting is neither intended nor safe. The reason is
> > obvious: To guarantee data consistency and proper functionality of
> > the operating system, the file system has to be removed _before_
> > the underlying device is. This obviously cannot happen
> > automatically.
> >
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I know that unplugging the stick before
> umounting is kind of "unsafe". However, I never had problems with
> this and of course I do not unplug while files are get written. By
> the way the udev page on archwiki also suggests umounting in a udev
> rule. Finally, as I wrote before everything works if I close thunar
> before. And using hal it works in all cases anyway.
> So, I'm still grateful for further hints.

Thunar depends on HAL, so probably it is not correct to use it without
HAL, and the following is from http://thunar.xfce.org "Use the correct HAL property to determine
whether a given volume or device requires eject"

Cheers,
Sergey

From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct  7 14:18:50 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:18:50 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Dovecot: bug or user error?
In-Reply-To: <1286472417.2653.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20101007161607.GB10034@cs.dal.ca>
	<1286472417.2653.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20101007181850.GD10034@cs.dal.ca>

Jan de Groot [2010.10.07 1926 +0200]:
> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 13:16 -0300, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> > After some long debugging sessions, I realized that
> > my failure to connect to my freshly setup dovecot server was because
> > dovecot-auth failed.  It was looking for the mysql and postgreql
> > shared
> > libraries that were not installed. 
> 
> If dovecot-auth links to the mysql and/or postgresql libraries, those
> libraries should not be in optdepends, but in depends.
> The problem with adding link-level dependencies for optional components
> to optdepends is that namcap doesn't know why you added the optdepend,
> and doesn't report any warning about link-level dependencies for
> optdepends. We've seen these bugs in several applications, so
> maintainers should really pay attention to this.
> 

Thanks for the reply Jan.  ldd does say dovecot-auth is linked against
these two libraries.  I'll file a bug report then.

Cheers,
Norbert


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From jan at jgc.homeip.net  Thu Oct  7 14:52:29 2010
From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:52:29 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] umount usb stick via udev
In-Reply-To: <20101007120007.7f585bc7@laser-sm.laser>
References: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de> <4CADE819.7010605@archlinux.org>
	<4CADFE8A.7030608@gmx.de>  <20101007120007.7f585bc7@laser-sm.laser>
Message-ID: <1286477549.2653.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 12:00 -0600, Sergey Manucharian wrote:
> Thunar depends on HAL, so probably it is not correct to use it without
> HAL, and the following is from http://thunar.xfce.org "Use the correct
> HAL property to determine
> whether a given volume or device requires eject" 

It can be used without hal, but not in the way that you can unplug a
device without unmounting it. There's some technological difference
between unplugging with and without hal.

With hal:
- device mounted
- thunar open
- device ejected without unmount
- hal receives uevents and knows the device is dead
- hal tells thunar that device is dead
- thunar (and other hal or udisks-enabled programs) tries to close all
references to the mountpoint
- hal unmounts the dead device

Now if you do that without hal, the point where hal detects that the
device is dead and thunar getting to know that has to be done by
yourself. If you forget that, you're screwed.


From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Thu Oct  7 15:35:52 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (Fess)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:35:52 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] umount usb stick via udev
In-Reply-To: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de>
References: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20101007193552.GA5727@laptop>

On 17:18 Thu 07 Oct , Benjamin Sambale wrote:
>  Dear arch users,
>
> I managed to mount my usb stick automatically via udev rules (hal isn't  
> running). However, if I unplug the stick while thunar is open, the  
> umount command hangs. After that I can't even reboot. But if I close  
> thunar before unplugging the stick umount works fine.
> Here is my udev rule:
>
> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*",  
> SYMLINK+="unistick%n"
> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*",  
> ACTION=="add", RUN+="/usr/bin/sudo -u benjamin /bin/mount 
> /media/unistick"
> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*",  
> ACTION=="remove", RUN+="umount /media/unistick"
>
> And here is the corresponding line of fstab:
>
> /dev/unistick1          /media/unistick vfat rw,noauto,user,utf8,noatime  
>   0      0
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Benjamin


use -l(lazy) option to umount
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From anthony at extof.me  Thu Oct  7 15:48:45 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:48:45 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] umount usb stick via udev
In-Reply-To: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de>
References: <4CADE4AA.20900@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=A-h=mbpQC4hD44zWqfgi+tRb+kU1gkydKFPtq@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Benjamin Sambale <bsambale at gmx.de> wrote:
>
> ?Dear arch users,
>
> I managed to mount my usb stick automatically via udev rules (hal isn't running). However, if > I unplug the stick while thunar is open, the umount command hangs. After that I can't
> even reboot. But if I close thunar before unplugging the stick umount works fine.
> Here is my udev rule:
>
> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*", SYMLINK+="unistick%n"
> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*", ACTION=="add", RUN+="/usr/bin/sudo -u benjamin /bin/mount /media/unistick"
> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="07A10809D5B952B9", KERNEL=="sd*", ACTION=="remove", RUN+="umount /media/unistick"
>
> And here is the corresponding line of fstab:
>
> /dev/unistick1 ? ? ? ? ?/media/unistick vfat rw,noauto,user,utf8,noatime ? 0 ? ? ?0
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Benjamin

you could maybe look into autofs, since it can automatically unmount
the device after a period of inactivity, and automatically remount
when activity starts again.

C Anthony

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Thu Oct  7 18:12:15 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:12:15 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Creation of startup scripts
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=m2LDH7EWbHjURh-F3RicCU=V5Pc1L6ypVtRg2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201010052255020906.0005CA5C@127.0.0.1>	<20101005230032.37a0211a@hehejo.de>	<201010052325060000.00214DB2@127.0.0.1>	<20101005233804.6b8be1e8@hehejo.de>	<201010060000520031.00420CA1@127.0.0.1>	<20101006002230.20bb53cd@hehejo.de>	<201010060059410406.0003F425@127.0.0.1>
	<AANLkTi=m2LDH7EWbHjURh-F3RicCU=V5Pc1L6ypVtRg2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAE45BF.6060909@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/06/2010 07:59 AM, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:

> man bash, and read the existing init scripts. the stuff in arch is, as far
> as i've seen, clean and well commented. bash scripting has a lot of quirky
> little edge areas though, so it can be hard to ease into. Chapters 7-9 of
> http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz and the whole of
> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ helped me out when I was starting to get into
> bash scripting. that was back in 2002 or so, so there may be better
> resources available.
> 
> oh, and don't expect to read all of the bash man page at once. it's huge,
> and filled with all kinds of treasure.
> 
> tinker, and don't be afraid to break things! (you may want to make sure you
> won't be losing anything hugely important before not fearing breakage ... ).
> you'll wake up one day and realize you're the master of your machine, and a
> glorious day it will be.
> 

100% agree.

	http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html with its list of examples is probably the finest
BASH reference available.

	In the Advanced BASH Scripting-Guide (abs) you will find examples listed at the
end of each section like this:

-----
  10.1.2. Further Reference

  For more on string manipulation in scripts, refer to Section 10.2 and the
relevant section of the expr command listing.

  Script examples:

     1.      Example 16-9
     2.      Example 10-9
  <snip>
-----

** don't skip the examples :p

	Additionally, another great resource I found was looking/working through
scripts that did something close to what I needed to do. Especially if they are
well commented. (try to comment your scripts for those that will read them to
learn in the future)

	BASH has so many amazing tools and tricks, that it is hard to pick a few of the
favorites. Test constructs, loops and arrays for sure, but probably the most
helpful was taking the time to learn parameter substitution and string
manipulation. (how to get what you need out of a long string of text, string
length, index, etc..) BASH is particularly good at being a swiss-army knife on
strings. You will always be faced with variables that hold a sting that contains
lots of information that you only need 1 part of. The BASH parameter and
sub-string capabilities will save you untold grief if you learn them up front. I
particularly like:

  http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/parameter-substitution.html

and

  http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html

as pages to bookmark, get familiar with, and then go back and learn (I haven't
used the 'expr ..' functions much, but everything else is a must). Also, keep
the quick reference handy:

  http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/refcards.html


	Good luck!

-- 
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Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From dgbaley27 at verizon.net  Thu Oct  7 20:32:47 2010
From: dgbaley27 at verizon.net (Matthew Monaco)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:32:47 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia and xorg-server 1.9
Message-ID: <4CAE66AF.2070507@verizon.net>

I was following the discussion about holding back xorg 1.9 because of the nvidia 
driver, but I either missed the end of it, or it was left open.

Do the nvidia and nvidia-173xx drivers in [extra] work with 1.9?

If they do work, either or both, are they still plagued by this performance 
regression (stuff like rendering fonts as far as I can remember).

If either does have this performance hit, does anyone know of a target version 
that resolves the regression?

Thanks

From Thomas-Bahn at gmx.net  Fri Oct  8 01:36:04 2010
From: Thomas-Bahn at gmx.net (Thomas Bahn)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 07:36:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia and xorg-server 1.9
In-Reply-To: <4CAE66AF.2070507@verizon.net>
References: <4CAE66AF.2070507@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <201010080736.23841.Thomas-Bahn@gmx.net>

Am Freitag 08 Oktober 2010, 02:32:47 schrieb Matthew Monaco:
> I was following the discussion about holding back xorg 1.9 because of the
> nvidia driver, but I either missed the end of it, or it was left open.
> 
> Do the nvidia and nvidia-173xx drivers in [extra] work with 1.9?
> 
> If they do work, either or both, are they still plagued by this performance
> regression (stuff like rendering fonts as far as I can remember).
> 
> If either does have this performance hit, does anyone know of a target
> version that resolves the regression?
> 
> Thanks

I'm using the nvidia driver and it works with xorg 1.9
But in heavy 3D-games there are some performance issues (often normal ~130fps 
but sometimes 7-10fps until a scene change).
In AUR there is nvidia-beta available, its the beta driver from nvidia and 
works perfectly for me.

My graphics card is a Nvidia GeForce 9600M GT.

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Fri Oct  8 04:14:50 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:14:50 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia and xorg-server 1.9
In-Reply-To: <4CAE66AF.2070507@verizon.net>
References: <4CAE66AF.2070507@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4CAED2FA.2090101@archlinux.org>

On 10/08/2010 03:32 AM, Matthew Monaco wrote:
> I was following the discussion about holding back xorg 1.9 because of
> the nvidia driver, but I either missed the end of it, or it was left open.
>
> Do the nvidia and nvidia-173xx drivers in [extra] work with 1.9?
>

yes


> If they do work, either or both, are they still plagued by this
> performance regression (stuff like rendering fonts as far as I can
> remember).
>
> If either does have this performance hit, does anyone know of a target
> version that resolves the regression?
>

are you still talking about nvidia legacy?

if not, the current nvidia has performance regression which are fixed in 
the beta.

-- 
Ionu?

From elmargol at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  8 04:22:28 2010
From: elmargol at googlemail.com (Markus Golser)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:22:28 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia and xorg-server 1.9
In-Reply-To: <4CAED2FA.2090101@archlinux.org>
References: <4CAE66AF.2070507@verizon.net> <4CAED2FA.2090101@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+==MyCbmy_CF0y67xKT9qF7T5sEUAirooxQ1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm wondering if there are any known regressions for h264 playback
(vdpau) 64bit nvidia stable

From dgbaley27 at verizon.net  Fri Oct  8 06:24:21 2010
From: dgbaley27 at verizon.net (Matthew Monaco)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:24:21 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia and xorg-server 1.9
In-Reply-To: <4CAED2FA.2090101@archlinux.org>
References: <4CAE66AF.2070507@verizon.net> <4CAED2FA.2090101@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <4CAEF155.5080602@verizon.net>

On 10/08/2010 04:14 AM, Ionu? B?ru wrote:
> On 10/08/2010 03:32 AM, Matthew Monaco wrote:
>> I was following the discussion about holding back xorg 1.9 because of
>> the nvidia driver, but I either missed the end of it, or it was left open.
>>
>> Do the nvidia and nvidia-173xx drivers in [extra] work with 1.9?
>>
>
> yes
>
>
>> If they do work, either or both, are they still plagued by this
>> performance regression (stuff like rendering fonts as far as I can
>> remember).
>>
>> If either does have this performance hit, does anyone know of a target
>> version that resolves the regression?
>>
>
> are you still talking about nvidia legacy?
>
> if not, the current nvidia has performance regression which are fixed in the beta.
>

I don't think it was mentioned earlier, so I was asking if nvidia legacy 
(specifically 173) was affected by the same performance regression as the 
current nvidia driver.

From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Fri Oct  8 08:42:04 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:42:04 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Xterm urgency hint
Message-ID: <20101008124204.GA27893@cs.dal.ca>

Hi folks,

I've just run into a strange problem.  In order to highlight terminal
windows that require my attention, I make the application running in the
window beep, and I have set xterm*bellIsUrgent:true.  The problem: xterm
seems to simply ignore this setting.  I can also go into the xterm menu
and activate/deactivate bell urgency, but it makes no difference.  I
always hear a beep instead of the window's urgency WM hint being set.

I'm almost certain that's an upstream bug introduced fairly recently
because I had the same problem on my Debian machine.  Does anybody have
a clue where to report this bug?  I simply can't find a decent project
web page for xterm.

Thanks,
Norbert

-- 

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/\  www.asciiribbon.org    -  against proprietary attachments

From nick at dischord.org  Fri Oct  8 08:59:38 2010
From: nick at dischord.org (Nick Jones)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:59:38 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Xterm urgency hint
In-Reply-To: <20101008124204.GA27893@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101008124204.GA27893@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <20101008125938.GA13361@dischord.org>

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 at 09:42:04 -0300, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> I've just run into a strange problem.  In order to highlight terminal
> windows that require my attention, I make the application running in the
> window beep, and I have set xterm*bellIsUrgent:true.  The problem: xterm
> seems to simply ignore this setting.  I can also go into the xterm menu
> and activate/deactivate bell urgency, but it makes no difference.  I
> always hear a beep instead of the window's urgency WM hint being set.

Maybe an obvious suggestion, but check that:

$ xset b on

Perhaps?

-- 

-Nick


From mannemerak at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:32:26 2010
From: mannemerak at gmail.com (Manne Merak)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:32:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
Message-ID: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>

  Anyone know of some reliable benchmark utilities I can use to evaluate 
display cards? and different drivers (mostly Nvidia on KDE 4.5).
I know I can install some 3D game or demo and compare FPS, but I need 
something more focused on basic desktop experience; and must be 
repeatable with some form of formatted results.
I know KDE had a benchmarking suite way back, can't seem to find it?

Manne


From da.mi.spirit at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:34:36 2010
From: da.mi.spirit at gmail.com (Ian-Xue Li)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:34:36 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>

On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 04:32:26PM +0200, Manne Merak wrote:
>  Anyone know of some reliable benchmark utilities I can use to
> evaluate display cards? and different drivers (mostly Nvidia on KDE
> 4.5).
You can try glxgears for a start. Or Phoronix Test Suite.

-- 
Li Ian-Xue
http://b4283.ath.cx

From l.jirkovsky at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:35:15 2010
From: l.jirkovsky at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?THVrw6HFoSBKaXJrb3Zza8O9?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:35:15 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmtgcnQnTyJFDVe9h9H2TL4fE_N3LnSQPU-fsM@mail.gmail.com>

On 8 October 2010 16:32, Manne Merak <mannemerak at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Anyone know of some reliable benchmark utilities I can use to evaluate
> display cards? and different drivers (mostly Nvidia on KDE 4.5).
> I know I can install some 3D game or demo and compare FPS, but I need
> something more focused on basic desktop experience; and must be repeatable
> with some form of formatted results.
> I know KDE had a benchmarking suite way back, can't seem to find it?
>
> Manne
>
>

Phoronix Test Suite.

From rjh0507 at ecu.edu  Fri Oct  8 10:36:01 2010
From: rjh0507 at ecu.edu (Robert Howard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:36:01 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknTsgdwsdFJwA7ttZutGk6KynR-YXuYYHCTU81@mail.gmail.com>

Phoronix Suite perhaps? Don't know what it uses for graphics test or if it
even works on Arch. Benchmarks are lacking for Linux.
On Oct 8, 2010 10:29 AM, "Manne Merak" <mannemerak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know of some reliable benchmark utilities I can use to evaluate
> display cards? and different drivers (mostly Nvidia on KDE 4.5).
> I know I can install some 3D game or demo and compare FPS, but I need
> something more focused on basic desktop experience; and must be
> repeatable with some form of formatted results.
> I know KDE had a benchmarking suite way back, can't seem to find it?
>
> Manne
>

From mannemerak at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:51:36 2010
From: mannemerak at gmail.com (Manne Merak)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:51:36 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmtgcnQnTyJFDVe9h9H2TL4fE_N3LnSQPU-fsM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimmtgcnQnTyJFDVe9h9H2TL4fE_N3LnSQPU-fsM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAF2FF8.7080809@gmail.com>

  On 10/08/2010 04:35 PM, Luk?? Jirkovsk? wrote:
> On 8 October 2010 16:32, Manne Merak<mannemerak at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>   Anyone know of some reliable benchmark utilities I can use to evaluate
>> display cards? and different drivers (mostly Nvidia on KDE 4.5).
>> I know I can install some 3D game or demo and compare FPS, but I need
>> something more focused on basic desktop experience; and must be repeatable
>> with some form of formatted results.
>> I know KDE had a benchmarking suite way back, can't seem to find it?
>>
>> Manne
>>
>>
> Phoronix Test Suite.
>

Thanks, I tried getting it to work a while back.
Will try again.



From mannemerak at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 11:02:04 2010
From: mannemerak at gmail.com (Manne Merak)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:02:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmtgcnQnTyJFDVe9h9H2TL4fE_N3LnSQPU-fsM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimmtgcnQnTyJFDVe9h9H2TL4fE_N3LnSQPU-fsM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAF326C.3000600@gmail.com>

  On 10/08/2010 04:35 PM, Luk?? Jirkovsk? wrote:
> On 8 October 2010 16:32, Manne Merak<mannemerak at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>   Anyone know of some reliable benchmark utilities I can use to evaluate
>> display cards? and different drivers (mostly Nvidia on KDE 4.5).
>> I know I can install some 3D game or demo and compare FPS, but I need
>> something more focused on basic desktop experience; and must be repeatable
>> with some form of formatted results.
>> I know KDE had a benchmarking suite way back, can't seem to find it?
>>
>> Manne
>>
>>
> Phoronix Test Suite.
>
Ok, sorry, should have searched the Arch site first.
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Benchmarking
  Phoronix Test Suite is available in [community]


From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Fri Oct  8 13:42:24 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:42:24 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Xterm urgency hint
In-Reply-To: <20101008125938.GA13361@dischord.org>
References: <20101008124204.GA27893@cs.dal.ca>
	<20101008125938.GA13361@dischord.org>
Message-ID: <20101008174224.GQ27893@cs.dal.ca>

Nick Jones [2010.10.08 1359 +0100]:
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 at 09:42:04 -0300, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> > I've just run into a strange problem.  In order to highlight terminal
> > windows that require my attention, I make the application running in the
> > window beep, and I have set xterm*bellIsUrgent:true.  The problem: xterm
> > seems to simply ignore this setting.  I can also go into the xterm menu
> > and activate/deactivate bell urgency, but it makes no difference.  I
> > always hear a beep instead of the window's urgency WM hint being set.
> 
> Maybe an obvious suggestion, but check that:
> 
> $ xset b on
> 
> Perhaps?

Thanks for the suggestion, but this seems to control only bell
volume/pitch, which is not the issue here.  The issue is that the bell
is not supposed to make any sound but instead set the urgency window
manager hint.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to answer.

N.

From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Fri Oct  8 14:57:52 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:57:52 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Xterm urgency hint
In-Reply-To: <20101008124204.GA27893@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101008124204.GA27893@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <20101008185751.GW27893@cs.dal.ca>

Norbert Zeh [2010.10.08 0942 -0300]:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I've just run into a strange problem.  In order to highlight terminal
> windows that require my attention, I make the application running in the
> window beep, and I have set xterm*bellIsUrgent:true.  The problem: xterm
> seems to simply ignore this setting.  I can also go into the xterm menu
> and activate/deactivate bell urgency, but it makes no difference.  I
> always hear a beep instead of the window's urgency WM hint being set.
> 
> I'm almost certain that's an upstream bug introduced fairly recently
> because I had the same problem on my Debian machine.  Does anybody have
> a clue where to report this bug?  I simply can't find a decent project
> web page for xterm.

Actually, it's not an upstream bug, but a bug as far downstream as you
can go: the user.  I made a really silly mistake in setting up my window
manager.  So, xterm works, my brain doesn't.

Cheers,
Norbert

From jan at jgc.homeip.net  Fri Oct  8 15:39:48 2010
From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:39:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>  <20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>
Message-ID: <1286566788.5594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 22:34 +0800, Ian-Xue Li wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 04:32:26PM +0200, Manne Merak wrote:
> >  Anyone know of some reliable benchmark utilities I can use to
> > evaluate display cards? and different drivers (mostly Nvidia on KDE
> > 4.5).
> You can try glxgears for a start. Or Phoronix Test Suite.
> 

glxgears is not a benchmark and shouldn't be used for that purpose at
all.


From a.radke at arcor.de  Fri Oct  8 16:47:39 2010
From: a.radke at arcor.de (Andreas Radke)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:47:39 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
Message-ID: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>

It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
pdfviewer will be broken.

Please test it.

-Andy

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct  8 18:55:43 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:55:43 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
In-Reply-To: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>
References: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>
Message-ID: <4CAFA16F.3070207@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/08/2010 03:47 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:
> It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
> pdfviewer will be broken.
> 
> Please test it.
> 
> -Andy
> 

Good to hear, Ghostscript 8.71 changed the default "strip" size of MMR tiff
which broke hylafax (caused it to send blank pages). That is fixed in 9.0
evidently. Right now my test server is down, but I'll give it a test once it is
back up....

-- 
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Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Sat Oct  9 00:57:58 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 23:57:58 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] pacman -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca
 warnings. Bug or coincidence?
Message-ID: <4CAFF656.6030709@suddenlinkmail.com>

Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:

23:39 nirvana:/srv/http/dl/bugs/kde4> pmsu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
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[#####################################] 100%
 archlinuxfr is up to date
 kdemod-legacy is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: python-fuse: local (20090921-1) is newer than community (0.2.1-1)
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets (14): glibc-2.12.1-2  binutils-2.20.1-4  blas-3.2.2-2  feh-1.10-1
lapack-3.2.2-2
              libmysqlclient-5.1.51-1  libva-1.0.5-1  logrotate-3.7.9-1
mysql-clients-5.1.51-1
              mysql-5.1.51-1  qt-4.7.0-3  rasqal-0.9.20-1  redland-1.0.11-1
vdpau-video-0.7.2-1

Total Download Size:    52.43 MB
Total Installed Size:   279.04 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
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X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[##################-------------------]  50%
X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
kbuildsycoca running...
Reusing existing ksycoca
kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_features.desktop
kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_notes.desktop
kio (KService*): WARNING: The desktop entry file .hidden/kdiff3plugin.desktop
has Type=Service but is located under "apps" instead of "services"
kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : .hidden/kdiff3plugin.desktop
kio (KService*): WARNING: The desktop entry file .hidden/dirfilterplugin.desktop
has Type=Service but is located under "apps" instead of "services"
kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : .hidden/dirfilterplugin.desktop
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/emerald-theme-manager.desktop'
specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-emerald-theme'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/kde4/kompare.desktop' specifies
undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-patch'
kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/kde4/kolourpaint.desktop'
specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'image/bmp'

<snip 100's of lines>

	Did something in the update trigger this or is this just a coincidental kde4
explosion? Full update terminal history here:

[125k txt]

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/Archlinux/bugs/update-explodes.txt

strange. Any ideas?


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From steven at too1337.com  Sat Oct  9 03:55:20 2010
From: steven at too1337.com (Steven Susbauer)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:55:20 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] pacman -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca
 warnings. Bug or coincidence?
In-Reply-To: <4CAFF656.6030709@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CAFF656.6030709@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB01FE8.5040407@too1337.com>

On 10/8/2010 11:57 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
 > Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:

<snip>

 > 	Did something in the update trigger this or is this just a 
coincidental kde4
 > explosion? Full update terminal history here:
 >

It looks like kde4 exploded... but it's possibly related to qt being 
updated at that moment, if that's what invoked kbuildsycoca (which is 
what really exploded).

From a.radke at arcor.de  Sat Oct  9 09:45:11 2010
From: a.radke at arcor.de (Andreas Radke)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:45:11 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Warning: MESA 7.9 going to
	testing
In-Reply-To: <20101009095543.35207063@workstation64.home>
References: <20101009095543.35207063@workstation64.home>
Message-ID: <20101009154511.6473429b@workstation64.home>

Am Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:55:43 +0200
schrieb Andreas Radke <a.radke at arcor.de>:

> I'm working on the new MESA release today. Please don't -Syu until all
> 3D drivers have been rebuild properly. If you have trouble with your
> card catch me in out IRC channels.
> 
> -Andy
> 

So far no ddx driver rebuild seems required. 

I'm running the new MESA on my Ati X200m(R300) notebook with the new
gallium driver. It renders well (was broken since KMS+classic mesa
useage) but very slowly. Maybe we can imrove this.

My desktop is running Nouveau and Supertuxkart is fast and really
usable now. A big step forward.

Please test the all driver. Usually even a minor libdrm bump breaks the
drivers. Give feedback.

-Andy

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Sun Oct 10 01:17:02 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:17:02 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] pacman -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca
 warnings. Bug or coincidence?
In-Reply-To: <4CB01FE8.5040407@too1337.com>
References: <4CAFF656.6030709@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<4CB01FE8.5040407@too1337.com>
Message-ID: <4CB14C4E.80108@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/09/2010 02:55 AM, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> On 10/8/2010 11:57 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>     Did something in the update trigger this or is this just a coincidental kde4
>> explosion? Full update terminal history here:
>>
> 
> It looks like kde4 exploded... but it's possibly related to qt being updated at
> that moment, if that's what invoked kbuildsycoca (which is what really exploded).
> 

Thanks. That's what it looks like. No long term harm... just really chatty
during the upgrade.

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From jakob.gruber at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 05:10:48 2010
From: jakob.gruber at gmail.com (Jakob Gruber)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:10:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
In-Reply-To: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>
References: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>
Message-ID: <4CB18318.6060501@gmail.com>

  On 10/08/2010 10:47 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:
> It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
> pdfviewer will be broken.
>
> Please test it.
>
> -Andy

Okular 4.5.2-1 fails to load .ps files:

okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library 
"/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer a 
qt_plugin_instance function.
okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde3Factory: The library 
"/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer an 
"init_okularGenerator_ghostview" function.
okular(15248)/okular (app) 
Okular::DocumentPrivate::loadGeneratorLibrary: Invalid plugin factory 
for "okularGenerator_ghostview"!

From a.radke at arcor.de  Sun Oct 10 05:18:04 2010
From: a.radke at arcor.de (Andreas Radke)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:18:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
In-Reply-To: <4CB18318.6060501@gmail.com>
References: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>
	<4CB18318.6060501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101010111804.4eb63a5f@workstation64.home>

Am Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:10:48 +0200
schrieb Jakob Gruber <jakob.gruber at gmail.com>:

>   On 10/08/2010 10:47 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:
> > It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
> > pdfviewer will be broken.
> >
> > Please test it.
> >
> > -Andy
> 
> Okular 4.5.2-1 fails to load .ps files:
> 
> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library 
> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer a 
> qt_plugin_instance function.
> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde3Factory: The library 
> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer an 
> "init_okularGenerator_ghostview" function.
> okular(15248)/okular (app) 
> Okular::DocumentPrivate::loadGeneratorLibrary: Invalid plugin factory 
> for "okularGenerator_ghostview"!
> 

ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8
ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8.71

please check if it links against the old libs. then we would probably
need to recompile it:

ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9
ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9.00

-Andy

From jakob.gruber at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 05:25:53 2010
From: jakob.gruber at gmail.com (Jakob Gruber)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:25:53 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
In-Reply-To: <20101010111804.4eb63a5f@workstation64.home>
References: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>	<4CB18318.6060501@gmail.com>
	<20101010111804.4eb63a5f@workstation64.home>
Message-ID: <4CB186A1.3080504@gmail.com>

  On 10/10/2010 11:18 AM, Andreas Radke wrote:
> Am Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:10:48 +0200
> schrieb Jakob Gruber<jakob.gruber at gmail.com>:
>
>>    On 10/08/2010 10:47 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:
>>> It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
>>> pdfviewer will be broken.
>>>
>>> Please test it.
>>>
>>> -Andy
>> Okular 4.5.2-1 fails to load .ps files:
>>
>> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library
>> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer a
>> qt_plugin_instance function.
>> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde3Factory: The library
>> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer an
>> "init_okularGenerator_ghostview" function.
>> okular(15248)/okular (app)
>> Okular::DocumentPrivate::loadGeneratorLibrary: Invalid plugin factory
>> for "okularGenerator_ghostview"!
>>
> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8
> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8.71
>
> please check if it links against the old libs. then we would probably
> need to recompile it:
>
> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9
> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9.00
>
> -Andy

$ ldd /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so | grep gs
         libgs.so.8 => not found

Yep looks like it does.

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Sun Oct 10 05:27:58 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:27:58 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
In-Reply-To: <4CB186A1.3080504@gmail.com>
References: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>	<4CB18318.6060501@gmail.com>	<20101010111804.4eb63a5f@workstation64.home>
	<4CB186A1.3080504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB1871E.6070903@archlinux.org>

On 10/10/2010 12:25 PM, Jakob Gruber wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 11:18 AM, Andreas Radke wrote:
>> Am Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:10:48 +0200
>> schrieb Jakob Gruber<jakob.gruber at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On 10/08/2010 10:47 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:
>>>> It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
>>>> pdfviewer will be broken.
>>>>
>>>> Please test it.
>>>>
>>>> -Andy
>>> Okular 4.5.2-1 fails to load .ps files:
>>>
>>> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library
>>> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer a
>>> qt_plugin_instance function.
>>> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde3Factory: The library
>>> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer an
>>> "init_okularGenerator_ghostview" function.
>>> okular(15248)/okular (app)
>>> Okular::DocumentPrivate::loadGeneratorLibrary: Invalid plugin factory
>>> for "okularGenerator_ghostview"!
>>>
>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8
>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8.71
>>
>> please check if it links against the old libs. then we would probably
>> need to recompile it:
>>
>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9
>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9.00
>>
>> -Andy
>
> $ ldd /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so | grep gs
> libgs.so.8 => not found
>
> Yep looks like it does.

don't use ldd. use readelf -d /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so

ldd would include sonames from other soname

-- 
Ionu?

From jakob.gruber at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 05:31:20 2010
From: jakob.gruber at gmail.com (Jakob Gruber)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:31:20 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
In-Reply-To: <4CB1871E.6070903@archlinux.org>
References: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>	<4CB18318.6060501@gmail.com>	<20101010111804.4eb63a5f@workstation64.home>	<4CB186A1.3080504@gmail.com>
	<4CB1871E.6070903@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <4CB187E8.40009@gmail.com>

  On 10/10/2010 11:27 AM, Ionu? B?ru wrote:
> On 10/10/2010 12:25 PM, Jakob Gruber wrote:
>> On 10/10/2010 11:18 AM, Andreas Radke wrote:
>>> Am Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:10:48 +0200
>>> schrieb Jakob Gruber<jakob.gruber at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 10/08/2010 10:47 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:
>>>>> It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
>>>>> pdfviewer will be broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please test it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Andy
>>>> Okular 4.5.2-1 fails to load .ps files:
>>>>
>>>> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library
>>>> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer a
>>>> qt_plugin_instance function.
>>>> okular(15248)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde3Factory: The library
>>>> "/usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so" does not offer an
>>>> "init_okularGenerator_ghostview" function.
>>>> okular(15248)/okular (app)
>>>> Okular::DocumentPrivate::loadGeneratorLibrary: Invalid plugin factory
>>>> for "okularGenerator_ghostview"!
>>>>
>>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
>>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8
>>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.8.71
>>>
>>> please check if it links against the old libs. then we would probably
>>> need to recompile it:
>>>
>>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so
>>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9
>>> ghostscript /usr/lib/libgs.so.9.00
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>
>> $ ldd /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so | grep gs
>> libgs.so.8 => not found
>>
>> Yep looks like it does.
>
> don't use ldd. use readelf -d /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so
>
> ldd would include sonames from other soname
>

$ readelf -d /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_ghostview.so | grep libgs
$ readelf -d /usr/lib/libspectre.so | grep libgs
  0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libgs.so.8]

From t.powa at gmx.de  Sun Oct 10 11:09:48 2010
From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:09:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] hdparm-9.33-1
Message-ID: <201010101709.54673.t.powa@gmx.de>

Hi guys,
please signoff both arches
hdparm-9.33
        - fix AHCI issues in sg16(): don't ask for sense_data on DATA-xfer     
          commands
        - fix compiler warnings on old systems
        - fixed compilation on old systems lacking __be16

greetings
tpowa
-- 
Tobias Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
tpowa at archlinux.org
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From t.powa at gmx.de  Sun Oct 10 11:11:10 2010
From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:11:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] udev-163-1
Message-ID: <201010101711.11352.t.powa@gmx.de>

Hi guys,
udev 163
========
Bugfixes.

greetings
tpowa
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Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
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From stavallo at unina.it  Mon Oct 11 04:58:34 2010
From: stavallo at unina.it (Stefano Avallone)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:58:34 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [testing] Missing glx{info,gears} in mesa 7.9
Message-ID: <201010110857.o9B8vkt2009656@smtp2.unina.it>

Hi,

the latest mesa package (7.9) in testing is missing utilities such as glxinfo 
and glxgears. Since I built mesa 7.9-rc2 myself I noticed that those utilities 
are not built with the current PKGBUILD. As a workaround, I added 

cd "${srcdir}/Mesa-${pkgver}/progs/xdemos"
make

to the build() function. Don't know if there is a better solution.

Cheers,
Stefano


From andrea at archlinux.org  Mon Oct 11 04:59:23 2010
From: andrea at archlinux.org (Andrea Scarpino)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:59:23 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [testing] Missing glx{info,gears} in mesa 7.9
In-Reply-To: <201010110857.o9B8vkt2009656@smtp2.unina.it>
References: <201010110857.o9B8vkt2009656@smtp2.unina.it>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimSYbDxkkUrKr2bN1rAOhEFAz1o19xdN0h2pVQY@mail.gmail.com>

On 11 October 2010 10:58, Stefano Avallone <stavallo at unina.it> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the latest mesa package (7.9) in testing is missing utilities such as glxinfo
> and glxgears. Since I built mesa 7.9-rc2 myself I noticed that those utilities
> are not built with the current PKGBUILD. As a workaround, I added
>
> cd "${srcdir}/Mesa-${pkgver}/progs/xdemos"
> make
>
> to the build() function. Don't know if there is a better solution.
You have to install the package mesa-demos

-- 
andreascarpino.it
Arch Linux Developer

From jeff at deserettechnology.com  Mon Oct 11 07:04:28 2010
From: jeff at deserettechnology.com (Jeff Cook)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:04:28 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <1286566788.5594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com> <20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>
	<1286566788.5594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikawXbtPAsjPQBMb=oLqHyQs7nVo5vgv9ZsT+PD@mail.gmail.com>

I usually just run gtkperf. I haven't tried PTS yet but it's hard for
me to trust anything that comes out of Phoronix.

From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 07:38:58 2010
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:38:58 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikawXbtPAsjPQBMb=oLqHyQs7nVo5vgv9ZsT+PD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com> <20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>
	<1286566788.5594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<AANLkTikawXbtPAsjPQBMb=oLqHyQs7nVo5vgv9ZsT+PD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLz7vuYKdVeOUJukZSy3EHwrkKq0eeXn+nzdjh@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jeff Cook <jeff at deserettechnology.com>wrote:

> I usually just run gtkperf. I haven't tried PTS yet but it's hard for
> me to trust anything that comes out of Phoronix.
>


Please explain ?

-- 
C?dric Girard

From jeff at deserettechnology.com  Mon Oct 11 07:50:06 2010
From: jeff at deserettechnology.com (Jeff Cook)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:50:06 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLz7vuYKdVeOUJukZSy3EHwrkKq0eeXn+nzdjh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com> <20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>
	<1286566788.5594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<AANLkTikawXbtPAsjPQBMb=oLqHyQs7nVo5vgv9ZsT+PD@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLz7vuYKdVeOUJukZSy3EHwrkKq0eeXn+nzdjh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimfWkzdLMEKC+SuYGiPcYAXD989yV1w8GNfJgM2@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/11 C?dric Girard <girard.cedric at gmail.com>:
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jeff Cook <jeff at deserettechnology.com>wrote:
>
>> I usually just run gtkperf. I haven't tried PTS yet but it's hard for
>> me to trust anything that comes out of Phoronix.
>>
>
>
> Please explain ?

Phoronix is just really unprofessional and unreliable as a media
outlet. They constantly post information that is first of all,
absolutely atrociously, sometimes incomprehensibly written, and
secondly often inaccurate and misrepresentative. They also use amateur
reporting practices and lack standards, as we see with their Steam
reporting and sending lots of traffic to Valve FTP servers not
intended for public usage (for one example).

Obviously this does not necessarily reflect directly on their
software, but I think it's wise to take anything from Phoronix with a
grain of salt.

From
Jeff

>
> --
> C?dric Girard
>

From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 08:03:39 2010
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:03:39 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimfWkzdLMEKC+SuYGiPcYAXD989yV1w8GNfJgM2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com> <20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>
	<1286566788.5594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<AANLkTikawXbtPAsjPQBMb=oLqHyQs7nVo5vgv9ZsT+PD@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLz7vuYKdVeOUJukZSy3EHwrkKq0eeXn+nzdjh@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimfWkzdLMEKC+SuYGiPcYAXD989yV1w8GNfJgM2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinyyu0-vi2K4BFF_eOsPnVjMMTKDd52chwcqj_+@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Jeff Cook <jeff at deserettechnology.com>wrote:

> 2010/10/11 C?dric Girard <girard.cedric at gmail.com>:
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jeff Cook <jeff at deserettechnology.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I usually just run gtkperf. I haven't tried PTS yet but it's hard for
> >> me to trust anything that comes out of Phoronix.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Please explain ?
>
> Phoronix is just really unprofessional and unreliable as a media
> outlet. They constantly post information that is first of all,
> absolutely atrociously, sometimes incomprehensibly written, and
> secondly often inaccurate and misrepresentative. They also use amateur
> reporting practices and lack standards, as we see with their Steam
> reporting and sending lots of traffic to Valve FTP servers not
> intended for public usage (for one example).
>
> Obviously this does not necessarily reflect directly on their
> software, but I think it's wise to take anything from Phoronix with a
> grain of salt.
>
> From
> Jeff
>
> >
> > --
> > C?dric Girard
> >
>

Thanks for the clarification.

-- 
C?dric Girard

From mannemerak at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 08:36:32 2010
From: mannemerak at gmail.com (Manne Merak)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:36:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Benchmarks (GUI)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinyyu0-vi2K4BFF_eOsPnVjMMTKDd52chwcqj_+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CAF2B7A.5010701@gmail.com>
	<20101008143436.GA24552@localhost>	<1286566788.5594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<AANLkTikawXbtPAsjPQBMb=oLqHyQs7nVo5vgv9ZsT+PD@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimLz7vuYKdVeOUJukZSy3EHwrkKq0eeXn+nzdjh@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimfWkzdLMEKC+SuYGiPcYAXD989yV1w8GNfJgM2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinyyu0-vi2K4BFF_eOsPnVjMMTKDd52chwcqj_+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB304D0.9080207@gmail.com>

  On 10/11/2010 02:03 PM, C?dric Girard wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Jeff Cook<jeff at deserettechnology.com>wrote:
>
>> 2010/10/11 C?dric Girard<girard.cedric at gmail.com>:
>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jeff Cook<jeff at deserettechnology.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I usually just run gtkperf. I haven't tried PTS yet but it's hard for
>>>> me to trust anything that comes out of Phoronix.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please explain ?
>> Phoronix is just really unprofessional and unreliable as a media
>> outlet. They constantly post information that is first of all,
>> absolutely atrociously, sometimes incomprehensibly written, and
>> secondly often inaccurate and misrepresentative. They also use amateur
>> reporting practices and lack standards, as we see with their Steam
>> reporting and sending lots of traffic to Valve FTP servers not
>> intended for public usage (for one example).
>>
>> Obviously this does not necessarily reflect directly on their
>> software, but I think it's wise to take anything from Phoronix with a
>> grain of salt.
>>
>> From
>> Jeff
>>
>>> --
>>> C?dric Girard
>>>
> Thanks for the clarification.
>

I have no opinion towards them, but just want to add that the their test 
suite mostly just run other tests (as x11perf or gtkperf) and report the 
results in a structured way.  So I do not think they have actually 
written any benchmarks (I think?)

On gtkperf, anything similar for Qt?

Manne


From robsonpeixoto at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 20:18:30 2010
From: robsonpeixoto at gmail.com (Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:18:30 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] [patch] Eclipse 3.6.1
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xOpZ=MjopD9okAqHB36oc=qRZZE2y1W2b8x-K@mail.gmail.com>

Patch for Eclipse 3.6.1

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Robinho
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From angvp at archlinux.org  Mon Oct 11 21:18:37 2010
From: angvp at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1ngel_Vel=E1squez?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:18:37 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] [patch] Eclipse 3.6.1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xOpZ=MjopD9okAqHB36oc=qRZZE2y1W2b8x-K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=xOpZ=MjopD9okAqHB36oc=qRZZE2y1W2b8x-K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hQYnufR=DzXn4WqtopD9EBPUNk-q5LveejGp4@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/11 Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto <robsonpeixoto at gmail.com>:
> Patch for Eclipse 3.6.1
>
> --
> Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto
> Robinho
> robsonpeixoto at gmail.com
> Computer Science Master's degree student, University of Campinas
> Linux Counter #395633
> IRC: robsonpeixoto
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/rrspba
> github: https://github.com/robsonpeixoto
>

Good, but the patch wasn't attached :/

-- 
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Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User
Linux Counter: #359909
http://www.angvp.com

From robsonpeixoto at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 21:25:19 2010
From: robsonpeixoto at gmail.com (Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:25:19 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] [patch] Eclipse 3.6.1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=hQYnufR=DzXn4WqtopD9EBPUNk-q5LveejGp4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=xOpZ=MjopD9okAqHB36oc=qRZZE2y1W2b8x-K@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=hQYnufR=DzXn4WqtopD9EBPUNk-q5LveejGp4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8CsDDdhbtveObmNi1s2b9kFz2AiBH8zo7UKvU@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/11 ?ngel Vel?squez <angvp at archlinux.org>:
> 2010/10/11 Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto <robsonpeixoto at gmail.com>:
>> Patch for Eclipse 3.6.1
>>
>> --
>> Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto
>> Robinho
>> robsonpeixoto at gmail.com
>> Computer Science Master's degree student, University of Campinas
>> Linux Counter #395633
>> IRC: robsonpeixoto
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/rrspba
>> github: https://github.com/robsonpeixoto
>>
>
> Good, but the patch wasn't attached :/

Trying again. :D

I put on the body, too


diff --git a/eclipse/PKGBUILD b/eclipse/PKGBUILD
index e02b1e0..1445692 100644
--- a/eclipse/PKGBUILD
+++ b/eclipse/PKGBUILD
@@ -4,10 +4,10 @@
 # Maintainer: Paul Mattal <paul at archlinux.org>

 pkgname=eclipse
-pkgver=3.6
-_internal_pkgver=3.6
+pkgver=3.6.1
+_internal_pkgver=3.6.1
 pkgrel=1
-_date=201006080911
+_date=201009090800
 pkgdesc="An IDE for Java and other languages"
 arch=('i686' 'x86_64')
 url="http://eclipse.org"
@@ -20,13 +20,13 @@
source=("ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/eclipse/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-${pkgver}-${
 	'eclipse.sh'
 	'eclipse.desktop'
 	'eclipse.ini.patch')
-md5sums=('5f14c2de0dd9d9af614a0be53121a326'
-	'77cff7543ccf7e177cb6667f5a20ce19'
-	'7ea99a30fbaf06ec29261541b8eb1e23'
-	'ba8a37e30a7ebd69774cec87c69e8c44'
-	'017b2a68edc48a752a7e27c7aceef797')
+md5sums=('2bc114d4d3b513ef68a175654e5f44f3'
+         '77cff7543ccf7e177cb6667f5a20ce19'
+         '7ea99a30fbaf06ec29261541b8eb1e23'
+         'ba8a37e30a7ebd69774cec87c69e8c44'
+         '017b2a68edc48a752a7e27c7aceef797')
 [ "$CARCH" = "x86_64" ] &&
source[0]="ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/eclipse/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-${pkgver}-${_date}/eclipse-SDK-$pkgver-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz"
-[ "$CARCH" = "x86_64" ] && md5sums[0]='8cefbf42bb8f08b814e32726bb207f25'
+[ "$CARCH" = "x86_64" ] && md5sums[0]='7215b722ad397c5680f80fb2493453e2'

 package() {
   cd "${srcdir}/eclipse"





>
> --
> Angel Vel?squez
> angvp @ irc.freenode.net
> Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User
> Linux Counter: #359909
> http://www.angvp.com
>



-- 
Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto
Robinho
robsonpeixoto at gmail.com
Computer Science Master's degree student, University of Campinas
Linux Counter #395633
IRC: robsonpeixoto
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rrspba
github: https://github.com/robsonpeixoto

From snowmaniscool at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 00:28:30 2010
From: snowmaniscool at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eric_B=E9langer?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:28:30 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] lvm2/device-mapper
	2.02.74-1
In-Reply-To: <20101005050343.GA7551@Birdhost.jwbirdsong.homelinux.com>
References: <AANLkTi=3510+NyH-UB8ab3d4g94d9B9E2V6hm9r6d4O+@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101005050343.GA7551@Birdhost.jwbirdsong.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimfuBkqyi-P4DqO6omKHFyKQA70pMoPjxBgA0mZ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:03 AM, J. W. Birdsong
<jwbirdsong at jwbirdsong.homelinux.com> wrote:
> On 10/04/10 at 07:42pm, Eric B?langer wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> ?lvm2/device-mapper 2.02.74-1 are now in testing for an upstream
>> update. Please test and signoff. ?I couldn't test much the i686
>> package except in a chroot so 2 signoffs for i686 would be nice.
>> Signoff from users are welcome.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
> Signoff ?x86_64
> Running fine here encrypt LVM
> Yes I rebuilt ?initramfs/rebooted snowman ?:)
>
>

Bump. Anyone for i686?

Eric

From stefan-husmann at t-online.de  Tue Oct 12 12:30:48 2010
From: stefan-husmann at t-online.de (Stefan Husmann)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:30:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Ghostscript 9.00 hits testing
In-Reply-To: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>
References: <20101008224739.493176a8@laptop64.home>
Message-ID: <4CB48D38.3090404@t-online.de>

Am 08.10.2010 22:47, schrieb Andreas Radke:
> It's a major update and probably something with printing and/or
> pdfviewer will be broken.
> 
> Please test it.
> 
> -Andy
> 
Hello,

preview-latex (part of auctex, a very widespread emacs-mode for 
TeX-ing) does not work with ghostscript 9.00. There is a bug report on the
bug-auctex mailing list about that.

A very simple confirming minimal example is the following laTeX-File:

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
$\mu$
\end{document}

Regards Stefan

From andrea at archlinux.org  Tue Oct 12 14:24:54 2010
From: andrea at archlinux.org (Andrea Scarpino)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:24:54 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [patch] Eclipse 3.6.1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xOpZ=MjopD9okAqHB36oc=qRZZE2y1W2b8x-K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=xOpZ=MjopD9okAqHB36oc=qRZZE2y1W2b8x-K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikg5pua94Tee9k5DQbzv17O4bdEF7v6brJRMEAa@mail.gmail.com>

On 12 October 2010 02:18, Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto
<robsonpeixoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Patch for Eclipse 3.6.1
I updated it, but upload needs time. It will be in [extra] in some hours...

-- 
andreascarpino.it
Arch Linux Developer

From robsonpeixoto at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 21:18:08 2010
From: robsonpeixoto at gmail.com (Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:18:08 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] python-numpy 1.5.0
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPJngO2xTWcKM=8k9KRTJQDbhjhQRKLn3AzmeL@mail.gmail.com>

PKGBUILD to version 1.5.0
http://pastie.org/private/fgdzkqkdn0tvragmq4zjg

The test work very well.

>>> import numpy
>>> numpy.test()
Running unit tests for numpy
NumPy version 1.5.0
NumPy is installed in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/numpy
Python version 2.6.5 (r265:79063, Apr  1 2010, 05:28:39) [GCC 4.4.3
20100316 (prerelease)]
nose version 0.11.3
.................................................................................................................................................S...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................SSS........................K..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................K............................................................................................K......................K......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 2966 tests in 21.739s

OK (KNOWNFAIL=4, SKIP=4)
<nose.result.TextTestResult run=2966 errors=0 failures=0>

Thanks

-- 
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Robinho
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Computer Science Master's degree student, University of Campinas
Linux Counter #395633
IRC: robsonpeixoto
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rrspba
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From darose at darose.net  Wed Oct 13 17:03:45 2010
From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:03:45 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] pacman -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca
 warnings. Bug or coincidence?
In-Reply-To: <4CAFF656.6030709@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CAFF656.6030709@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB61EB1.5060004@darose.net>

On 10/09/2010 12:57 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:

> Targets (14): glibc-2.12.1-2  binutils-2.20.1-4  blas-3.2.2-2  feh-1.10-1
> lapack-3.2.2-2
>                libmysqlclient-5.1.51-1  libva-1.0.5-1  logrotate-3.7.9-1
> mysql-clients-5.1.51-1
>                mysql-5.1.51-1  qt-4.7.0-3  rasqal-0.9.20-1  redland-1.0.11-1
> vdpau-video-0.7.2-1

> (10/14) upgrading mysql
> [#####################################] 100%
> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
> [##################-------------------]  50%
> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
> kbuildsycoca running...
> Reusing existing ksycoca
> kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_features.desktop
> kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_notes.desktop
> kio (KService*): WARNING: The desktop entry file .hidden/kdiff3plugin.desktop
> has Type=Service but is located under "apps" instead of "services"
> kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : .hidden/kdiff3plugin.desktop
> kio (KService*): WARNING: The desktop entry file .hidden/dirfilterplugin.desktop
> has Type=Service but is located under "apps" instead of "services"
> kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : .hidden/dirfilterplugin.desktop
> kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/emerald-theme-manager.desktop'
> specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-emerald-theme'
> kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/kde4/kompare.desktop' specifies
> undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-patch'
> kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/kde4/kolourpaint.desktop'
> specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'image/bmp'
>
> <snip 100's of lines>
>
> 	Did something in the update trigger this or is this just a coincidental kde4
> explosion? Full update terminal history here:
>
> [125k txt]
>
> http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/Archlinux/bugs/update-explodes.txt
>
> strange. Any ideas?

Nothing strange to me at all:  you're upgrading qt while you're in KDE 
(which uses qt).  It's never a good idea to upgrade a package while it's 
being used.  If you're upgrading a daemon, shut down the daemon first; 
if you're upgrading qt, exit KDE first; if you're upgrading the kernel, 
udev, etc., drop to single user mode first.

DR

From schivmeister at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 19:16:03 2010
From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:16:03 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Inclusion of wvdial in the ISO
In-Reply-To: <4C2B30FA.7040209@itech7.com>
References: <4C259613.9020507@itech7.com> <4C2B30FA.7040209@itech7.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=cj4DY7oigX8c_5r5nfY2-zcYvJoirE7RV6Yi7@mail.gmail.com>

On 30 June 2010 19:56, Nilesh Govindarajan <lists at itech7.com> wrote:
> What's the position ? Its included or not ?

I see this hasn't received any attention over the months. Could you try:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/SetUpDialer#Alternative
Way 2 (using pppconfig & pon/poff)


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From ngoonee at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 23:19:07 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:19:07 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] bugs.archlinux.org search feature - different
	defaults?
Message-ID: <1287026347.23133.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all,

I just got a bug closed as dup (concerning the python rebuild) because
the python rebuild bug did not show up when I searched the package name.
Of course, now I realize that I should search with 'search details' on.

Would it be difficult to default to having that switch turned on? Would
it stress the backend too much (no idea about such things) or require
patching which would break on updates?

I've also added a sentence to the dup-search section of the
bug-reporting guidelines which will hopefully prevent other noobs from
making my mistake =).


From diederick at diederickdevries.net  Thu Oct 14 02:40:44 2010
From: diederick at diederickdevries.net (diederick)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:40:44 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] =?utf-8?q?Upgrading_while_using_a_package_=28WAS?=
 =?utf-8?q?=3A_Re=3A__pacman_-Syu_--_then_tons_of_kio_and_kbuildsycoca_war?=
 =?utf-8?q?nings=2E_Bug_or_coincidence=3F=29?=
Message-ID: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>

On 10/13/2010 11:03 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:

> On 10/09/2010 12:57 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:

> Nothing strange to me at all:  you're upgrading qt while you're in KDE
> (which uses qt).  It's never a good idea to upgrade a package while it's
> being used.  If you're upgrading a daemon, shut down the daemon first;
> if you're upgrading qt, exit KDE first; if you're upgrading the kernel,
> udev, etc., drop to single user mode first.

I didn't know that, nor did I read that somewhere on the wiki. Why is
this? Aren't programs copied to memory (i.e. loaded) before being 
used?
In that case, isn't the upgraded version left alone until it is loaded
the next time the program is started? Where can I find more on this?

Thanks,
Diederick

--
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From stefan-husmann at t-online.de  Thu Oct 14 03:09:27 2010
From: stefan-husmann at t-online.de (Stefan Husmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:27 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Upgrading while using a package (WAS: Re: pacman
 -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca warnings. Bug or coincidence?)
In-Reply-To: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>
References: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>
Message-ID: <4CB6ACA7.6090905@t-online.de>

Am 14.10.2010 08:40, schrieb diederick:
> On 10/13/2010 11:03 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
> 
>> On 10/09/2010 12:57 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>>> Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:
> 
>> Nothing strange to me at all:  you're upgrading qt while you're in KDE
>> (which uses qt).  It's never a good idea to upgrade a package while it's
>> being used.  If you're upgrading a daemon, shut down the daemon first;
>> if you're upgrading qt, exit KDE first; if you're upgrading the kernel,
>> udev, etc., drop to single user mode first.
> 
> I didn't know that, nor did I read that somewhere on the wiki. Why is
> this? Aren't programs copied to memory (i.e. loaded) before being used?
> In that case, isn't the upgraded version left alone until it is loaded
> the next time the program is started? Where can I find more on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Diederick
> 
> -- 
> http://www.diederickdevries.net/
> 
> 

Hello,

in general you are right, but you never know. Programs are doing something. 
Some may reload data files even or program code at runtime. 

Regards Stefan

From ngoonee at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 03:48:47 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:48:47 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] preparing LibreOffice
In-Reply-To: <4CA2594B.1010403@archlinux.org>
References: <20100928210442.5a0c7c3d@workstation64.home>
	<20100928212741.2e01d1ba@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<4CA2594B.1010403@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <1287042527.16895.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 07:08 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 29/09/10 05:27, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > Am Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:04:42 +0200
> > schrieb Andreas Radke<a.radke at arcor.de>:
> >
> >> I'm going to prepare Arch builds for libreoffice in our svn but won't
> >> upload any binary packages until the new way gets more clear.
> >
> > Why not uploading binary packages? Wouldn't be the worst idea to have
> > both packages in the repo, so that users have the choice.
> >
> 
> It is still unclear whether the openoffice name will be donated and so 
> the final package name is not known...
> 
> Allan

Just decided to try this out, from a user's perspective dark GTK themes
are no longer useable, libreoffice does not seem to respect the
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP environment variable as used in the AUR package
openoffice-dark-gtk-fix. A pity, because everything else I use regularly
seems to work spiffily


From ngoonee at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 03:51:57 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:51:57 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] preparing LibreOffice
In-Reply-To: <1287042527.16895.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20100928210442.5a0c7c3d@workstation64.home>
	<20100928212741.2e01d1ba@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<4CA2594B.1010403@archlinux.org>
	<1287042527.16895.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1287042717.20378.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 15:48 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 07:08 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> > On 29/09/10 05:27, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > > Am Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:04:42 +0200
> > > schrieb Andreas Radke<a.radke at arcor.de>:
> > >
> > >> I'm going to prepare Arch builds for libreoffice in our svn but won't
> > >> upload any binary packages until the new way gets more clear.
> > >
> > > Why not uploading binary packages? Wouldn't be the worst idea to have
> > > both packages in the repo, so that users have the choice.
> > >
> > 
> > It is still unclear whether the openoffice name will be donated and so 
> > the final package name is not known...
> > 
> > Allan
> 
> Just decided to try this out, from a user's perspective dark GTK themes
> are no longer useable, libreoffice does not seem to respect the
> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP environment variable as used in the AUR package
> openoffice-dark-gtk-fix. A pity, because everything else I use regularly
> seems to work spiffily
> 
Scratch that, it does work after all. Didn't realize that I neglected to
kill the OOO launcher in the taskbar before testing...


From diederick at diederickdevries.net  Thu Oct 14 05:37:43 2010
From: diederick at diederickdevries.net (diederick)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:37:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general]
 =?utf-8?q?Upgrading_while_using_a_package_=28WAS?=
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:27 +0200, Stefan Husmann
<stefan-husmann at t-online.de> wrote:
> Am 14.10.2010 08:40, schrieb diederick:
>> On 10/13/2010 11:03 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/09/2010 12:57 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>>>> Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:
>>
>>> Nothing strange to me at all:  you're upgrading qt while you're in KDE
>>> (which uses qt).  It's never a good idea to upgrade a package while it's
>>> being used.  If you're upgrading a daemon, shut down the daemon first;
>>> if you're upgrading qt, exit KDE first; if you're upgrading the kernel,
>>> udev, etc., drop to single user mode first.
>>
>> I didn't know that, nor did I read that somewhere on the wiki. Why is
>> this? Aren't programs copied to memory (i.e. loaded) before being used?
>> In that case, isn't the upgraded version left alone until it is loaded
>> the next time the program is started? Where can I find more on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Diederick
>>
>> --
>> http://www.diederickdevries.net/
>>
>>
> 
> Hello,
> 
> in general you are right, but you never know. Programs are doing something. 
> Some may reload data files even or program code at runtime. 

Right. In your earlier post, you specifically mention the kernel. Would
you say that it is safe to install a new kernel in multi user mode if I
reboot right after installation, while not using modprobe et al. between
the installation and the reboot? And if not, why is single user mode
safer?

Thanks for your quick response,
Diederick

-- 
http://www.diederickdevries.net/

From diederick at diederickdevries.net  Thu Oct 14 05:40:56 2010
From: diederick at diederickdevries.net (diederick)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:40:56 +0200
Subject: [arch-general]
 =?utf-8?q?Upgrading_while_using_a_package_=28WAS?=
 =?utf-8?q?=3A_Re=3A_pacman_-Syu_--_then_tons_of_kio_and_kbuildsycoca_warn?=
 =?utf-8?q?ings=2E_Bug_or_coincidence=3F=29?=
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:37:43 +0200, diederick
<diederick at diederickdevries.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:27 +0200, Stefan Husmann
> <stefan-husmann at t-online.de> wrote:
>> Am 14.10.2010 08:40, schrieb diederick:
>>> On 10/13/2010 11:03 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/09/2010 12:57 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>>>>> Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:
>>>
>>>> Nothing strange to me at all:  you're upgrading qt while you're in KDE
>>>> (which uses qt).  It's never a good idea to upgrade a package while it's
>>>> being used.  If you're upgrading a daemon, shut down the daemon first;
>>>> if you're upgrading qt, exit KDE first; if you're upgrading the kernel,
>>>> udev, etc., drop to single user mode first.
>>>
>>> I didn't know that, nor did I read that somewhere on the wiki. Why is
>>> this? Aren't programs copied to memory (i.e. loaded) before being used?
>>> In that case, isn't the upgraded version left alone until it is loaded
>>> the next time the program is started? Where can I find more on this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Diederick
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.diederickdevries.net/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> in general you are right, but you never know. Programs are doing something.
>> Some may reload data files even or program code at runtime.
> 
> Right. In your earlier post, you specifically mention the kernel. Would
> you say that it is safe to install a new kernel in multi user mode if I
> reboot right after installation, while not using modprobe et al. between
> the installation and the reboot? And if not, why is single user mode
> safer?
> 
> Thanks for your quick response,
> Diederick

Oops, that should have been: "In the earlier post, the kernel was
mentioned specifically..." Sorry for that.

Diederick
-- 
http://www.diederickdevries.net/

From thomas at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 14 06:09:38 2010
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:09:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Upgrading while using a package (WAS: Re: pacman
 -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca warnings. Bug or coincidence?)
In-Reply-To: <45d80ca78e7e5eb3a5aaa5d829a2afee@localhost>
References: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>	<4CB6ACA7.6090905@t-online.de>
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Message-ID: <4CB6D6E2.4030808@archlinux.org>

Am 14.10.2010 11:37, schrieb diederick:
>> Hello,
>>
>> in general you are right, but you never know. Programs are doing something. 
>> Some may reload data files even or program code at runtime. 
> 
> Right. In your earlier post, you specifically mention the kernel. Would
> you say that it is safe to install a new kernel in multi user mode if I
> reboot right after installation, while not using modprobe et al. between
> the installation and the reboot? And if not, why is single user mode
> safer?
> 
> Thanks for your quick response,
> Diederick

There's no "one case fits all" answer here. You always have to consider
files that are in memory vs. files that will be loaded from the hard drive.

Any application binary and shared library that this binary uses are kept
in memory - regardless if the files are deleted or overwritten while
they are running (same holds for _open_ data files). However,
applications can dynamically load and unload libraries (man dlopen) and
data files. If you replace an existing library or data file with a new
one that is incompatible with the currently running version of the
application, you will have failures.
Qt and KDE are known to fail if you perform a major upgrade while
applications are still running, while minor upgrades usually work.

The same holds for the kernel: The kernel and the currently used modules
are kept in memory. However, modules may be loaded at any time (for
example if you plug in a new device that hasn't been used before). If
you perform a minor kernel update, the modules are likely to still be
compatible and you won't notice it. If you perform a major update, the
modules will not even be in the right path, leading to failure (popular
example: pacman -Syu and try to use a USB flash drive afterwards, then
come to #archlinux and rant about why Arch does not support flash drives).

My recommendations:
1) If you are upgrading your desktop environment, exit your session,
quit your login manager and upgrade from the text console. I advise to
run pacman -Sywu from the desktop and when the download finishes, run
pacman -Su from the text console.
2) Put all kernel-related packages on --ignore until you are planning to
reboot. If you are not going to reboot, a kernel update will have no
effect anyway.

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From diederick at diederickdevries.net  Thu Oct 14 08:06:36 2010
From: diederick at diederickdevries.net (diederick)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:06:36 +0200
Subject: [arch-general]
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:09:38 +0200, Thomas B?chler
<thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
> Am 14.10.2010 11:37, schrieb diederick:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> in general you are right, but you never know. Programs are doing something.
>>> Some may reload data files even or program code at runtime.
>>
>> Right. In your earlier post, you specifically mention the kernel. Would
>> you say that it is safe to install a new kernel in multi user mode if I
>> reboot right after installation, while not using modprobe et al. between
>> the installation and the reboot? And if not, why is single user mode
>> safer?
>>
>> Thanks for your quick response,
>> Diederick
> 
> There's no "one case fits all" answer here. You always have to consider
> files that are in memory vs. files that will be loaded from the hard drive.
> 
> Any application binary and shared library that this binary uses are kept
> in memory - regardless if the files are deleted or overwritten while
> they are running (same holds for _open_ data files). However,
> applications can dynamically load and unload libraries (man dlopen) and
> data files. If you replace an existing library or data file with a new
> one that is incompatible with the currently running version of the
> application, you will have failures.
> Qt and KDE are known to fail if you perform a major upgrade while
> applications are still running, while minor upgrades usually work.
> 
> The same holds for the kernel: The kernel and the currently used modules
> are kept in memory. However, modules may be loaded at any time (for
> example if you plug in a new device that hasn't been used before). If
> you perform a minor kernel update, the modules are likely to still be
> compatible and you won't notice it. If you perform a major update, the
> modules will not even be in the right path, leading to failure (popular
> example: pacman -Syu and try to use a USB flash drive afterwards, then
> come to #archlinux and rant about why Arch does not support flash drives).
> 
> My recommendations:
> 1) If you are upgrading your desktop environment, exit your session,
> quit your login manager and upgrade from the text console. I advise to
> run pacman -Sywu from the desktop and when the download finishes, run
> pacman -Su from the text console.
> 2) Put all kernel-related packages on --ignore until you are planning to
> reboot. If you are not going to reboot, a kernel update will have no
> effect anyway.

Very clear. Thanks!

Diederick

-- 
http://www.diederickdevries.net/

From anthony at extof.me  Thu Oct 14 11:57:15 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:57:15 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Method to redirect hidden config files in ~
Message-ID: <AANLkTikG4i3LBwfFyuArMs3dG4PdQmW=nnBfqbnB=BMi@mail.gmail.com>

awhile back, i believe it was on this list, there was some messages
about cleaning up the .<files> in your HOME folder...

can someone point me in the right direction here?  i swear all i
needed to do was export the proper VARS but i cannot seem to find the
info now.

thanks,

C Anthony

From seschwar at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 14 12:51:19 2010
From: seschwar at googlemail.com (Sebastian Schwarz)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:51:19 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Method to redirect hidden config files in ~
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikG4i3LBwfFyuArMs3dG4PdQmW=nnBfqbnB=BMi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikG4i3LBwfFyuArMs3dG4PdQmW=nnBfqbnB=BMi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101014165119.GD3723@pineapple.q.wohnheim-jahnplatz.de>

On 2010-10-14 at 10:57 -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> awhile back, i believe it was on this list, there was some
> amessages bout cleaning up the .<files> in your HOME folder...

It can be achieved by preloading this library:
http://ordiluc.net/fs/libetc/

Since I am not using it I can't tell how well it works.  Maybe
someone else can.

> can someone point me in the right direction here? i swear all
> i needed to do was export the proper VARS but i cannot seem to
> find the info now.

Or do you mean this approach for certain directories:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs

From anthony at extof.me  Thu Oct 14 14:10:10 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:10:10 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Method to redirect hidden config files in ~
In-Reply-To: <20101014165119.GD3723@pineapple.q.wohnheim-jahnplatz.de>
References: <AANLkTikG4i3LBwfFyuArMs3dG4PdQmW=nnBfqbnB=BMi@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Sebastian Schwarz
<seschwar at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 2010-10-14 at 10:57 -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>> awhile back, i believe it was on this list, there was some
>> amessages bout cleaning up the .<files> in your HOME folder...
>
> It can be achieved by preloading this library:
> http://ordiluc.net/fs/libetc/
>
> Since I am not using it I can't tell how well it works. ?Maybe
> someone else can.
>
>> can someone point me in the right direction here? i swear all
>> i needed to do was export the proper VARS but i cannot seem to
>> find the info now.
>
> Or do you mean this approach for certain directories:
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs

ah nice, i think both actually came up in the thread.  i'll check this
out and see if they do what i want.

thanks,

C Anthony

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Thu Oct 14 16:51:41 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:51:41 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Upgrading while using a package (WAS: Re: pacman
 -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca warnings. Bug or coincidence?)
In-Reply-To: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>
References: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>
Message-ID: <4CB76D5D.1020804@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/14/2010 01:40 AM, diederick wrote:
>> On 10/09/2010 12:57 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>>> Guys, just updated and got a slew of warning dumped back to konsole:
> 
>> Nothing strange to me at all:  you're upgrading qt while you're in KDE
>> (which uses qt).  It's never a good idea to upgrade a package while it's
>> being used.  If you're upgrading a daemon, shut down the daemon first;
>> if you're upgrading qt, exit KDE first; if you're upgrading the kernel,
>> udev, etc., drop to single user mode first. 

Just to add a little food for thought to the issue. In my original post, the
host being updated is 'nirvana' which is my primary home server. All updates are
done via ssh from another laptop.

What occurred was -- kde4.5.2 was evidently left running on the server. What
makes the kio and kbuildsycoca output remarkable at all is that this is the
first time since Apr. '09 with Arch in the 50-100 updates I've done, and the
first time since 1999 with Mandrake and then SuSE that I have ever had any
spurious kio or kbuildsycoca output during an update (pacman -Syu, YaST, zypper,
rpmdrake, etc.) regardless of which desktop was running. I have updated Qt from
withing kde/kde4 many times, so it was a real curiosity to me. I may have just
been lucky all these times.

I'll add DR's advise to my list of 'oops - can't do that with kde4' -- tips. I'm
sure the issue isn't a pacman or Arch issue, the issue is most likely that kde4
still has the debug flag set in everything so it writes everything to stderr on
any change, update, rebuild whatever where stable desktops just write errors to
stderr.


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From magnus at therning.org  Fri Oct 15 06:37:17 2010
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:37:17 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Building packages, and their dependencies
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvpM-yADvmq3+pXC+L6ePbf3SjzR5NBq14q1MS@mail.gmail.com>

I have a tree of packages, organised similarly to ABS, i.e. directory
names match package name, and in each directory is a PKGBUILD (and
what else is needed).  Something like this:

my-packages/
  foo/
    PKGBUILD
  bar/
    PKGBUILD
    bar.install
  baz/
    PKGBUILD
  ...

Is there some tool that would allow me to move into one of these
directories, build the package including any dependencies?  (Basically
an ABS helper that handles dependencies.)

/M

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From schiv at archlinux.org  Fri Oct 15 07:06:51 2010
From: schiv at archlinux.org (Ray Rashif)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:06:51 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Building packages, and their dependencies
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvpM-yADvmq3+pXC+L6ePbf3SjzR5NBq14q1MS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvpM-yADvmq3+pXC+L6ePbf3SjzR5NBq14q1MS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=R+S8rGsMC5=JaTmo9pEsZQ40q6bzLLN7AgtQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 October 2010 18:37, Magnus Therning <magnus at therning.org> wrote:
> I have a tree of packages, organised similarly to ABS, i.e. directory
> names match package name, and in each directory is a PKGBUILD (and
> what else is needed). ?Something like this:
>
> my-packages/
> ?foo/
> ? ?PKGBUILD
> ?bar/
> ? ?PKGBUILD
> ? ?bar.install
> ?baz/
> ? ?PKGBUILD
> ?...
>
> Is there some tool that would allow me to move into one of these
> directories, build the package including any dependencies? ?(Basically
> an ABS helper that handles dependencies.)

makeworld

From picogeyer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 08:08:45 2010
From: picogeyer at gmail.com (Pico Geyer)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:08:45 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox after
	upgrade
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
longer start my VirtualBox vms

I get the following error: Failed to open a session for the virtual
machine My_VM
Callee RC: NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG (0x80070057)
Virtualbox then crashes (segmentation fault).

I had the testing repo enabled, so I thought that one of the packages
from testing might have broken it.
So I disabled the testing repo in pacman.conf and removed all testing
packages with:
pacman -Syy
pacamn -Suu

I then recompiled my virtualbox drivers and rebooted.
But that did not help at all.

I created a core dump file by following these instructions:
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Core_dump

So the stack trace is 41000 lines long :-|
I'll paste just the first and last few lines:
#0  0xb5cad825 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#1  0xb5ca7b27 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#2  0xb5ca9760 in QTextEngine::itemize() const () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#3  0xb5caeca8 in QTextLayout::beginLayout() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#4  0xb5b9b550 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#5  0xb5b9c1b1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
[snip]
#41537 0xb5a36407 in QApplication::exec() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#41538 0xb6b5405b in TrustedMain () from /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so
#41539 0x08048d9f in ?? ()
#41540 0xb76ccc76 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
#41541 0x08048c81 in ?? ()


Any advice?
Should I file a bug in the arch bug tracker?
Thanks in advance.
Pico

From magnus at therning.org  Fri Oct 15 09:24:27 2010
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:24:27 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Building packages, and their dependencies
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=R+S8rGsMC5=JaTmo9pEsZQ40q6bzLLN7AgtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvpM-yADvmq3+pXC+L6ePbf3SjzR5NBq14q1MS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik=R+S8rGsMC5=JaTmo9pEsZQ40q6bzLLN7AgtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxw3pnOLaXi6R-xMnmx+M6tMvc0uXOVE9zD_d_@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:06, Ray Rashif <schiv at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 15 October 2010 18:37, Magnus Therning <magnus at therning.org> wrote:
>> I have a tree of packages, organised similarly to ABS, i.e. directory
>> names match package name, and in each directory is a PKGBUILD (and
>> what else is needed). ?Something like this:
>>
>> my-packages/
>> ?foo/
>> ? ?PKGBUILD
>> ?bar/
>> ? ?PKGBUILD
>> ? ?bar.install
>> ?baz/
>> ? ?PKGBUILD
>> ?...
>>
>> Is there some tool that would allow me to move into one of these
>> directories, build the package including any dependencies? ?(Basically
>> an ABS helper that handles dependencies.)
>
> makeworld

Excellent, but is it possible to pass it a specific package that I
want to build, and only build its dependencies?

/M

-- 
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From lists at itech7.com  Fri Oct 15 09:56:57 2010
From: lists at itech7.com (Nilesh Govindarajan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:26:57 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox
	after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer <picogeyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>
> I get the following error: Failed to open a session for the virtual
> machine My_VM
> Callee RC: NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG (0x80070057)
> Virtualbox then crashes (segmentation fault).
>
> I had the testing repo enabled, so I thought that one of the packages
> from testing might have broken it.
> So I disabled the testing repo in pacman.conf and removed all testing
> packages with:
> pacman -Syy
> pacamn -Suu
>
> I then recompiled my virtualbox drivers and rebooted.
> But that did not help at all.
>
> I created a core dump file by following these instructions:
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Core_dump
>
> So the stack trace is 41000 lines long :-|
> I'll paste just the first and last few lines:
> #0 ?0xb5cad825 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
> #1 ?0xb5ca7b27 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
> #2 ?0xb5ca9760 in QTextEngine::itemize() const () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
> #3 ?0xb5caeca8 in QTextLayout::beginLayout() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
> #4 ?0xb5b9b550 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
> #5 ?0xb5b9c1b1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
> [snip]
> #41537 0xb5a36407 in QApplication::exec() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
> #41538 0xb6b5405b in TrustedMain () from /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so
> #41539 0x08048d9f in ?? ()
> #41540 0xb76ccc76 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
> #41541 0x08048c81 in ?? ()
>
>
> Any advice?
> Should I file a bug in the arch bug tracker?
> Thanks in advance.
> Pico
>

Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?

-- 
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From picogeyer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 10:20:46 2010
From: picogeyer at gmail.com (Pico Geyer)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:20:46 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox
	after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan <lists at itech7.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer <picogeyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
>> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
>> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>>
>> I get the following error: Failed to open a session for the virtual
>> machine My_VM
>> Callee RC: NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG (0x80070057)
>> Virtualbox then crashes (segmentation fault).
>>
>> I had the testing repo enabled, so I thought that one of the packages
>> from testing might have broken it.
>> So I disabled the testing repo in pacman.conf and removed all testing
>> packages with:
>> pacman -Syy
>> pacamn -Suu
>>
>> I then recompiled my virtualbox drivers and rebooted.
>> But that did not help at all.
>>
>> I created a core dump file by following these instructions:
>> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Core_dump
>>
>> So the stack trace is 41000 lines long :-|
>> I'll paste just the first and last few lines:
>> #0 ?0xb5cad825 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>> #1 ?0xb5ca7b27 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>> #2 ?0xb5ca9760 in QTextEngine::itemize() const () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>> #3 ?0xb5caeca8 in QTextLayout::beginLayout() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>> #4 ?0xb5b9b550 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>> #5 ?0xb5b9c1b1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>> [snip]
>> #41537 0xb5a36407 in QApplication::exec() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>> #41538 0xb6b5405b in TrustedMain () from /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so
>> #41539 0x08048d9f in ?? ()
>> #41540 0xb76ccc76 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
>> #41541 0x08048c81 in ?? ()
>>
>>
>> Any advice?
>> Should I file a bug in the arch bug tracker?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Pico
>>
>
> Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?
>

Yeah, that's the first thing I tried.

Pico

From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Fri Oct 15 10:28:02 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (Fess)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:28:02 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Udisks, uuid and very stange mount
Message-ID: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop>

Have a nice day guys,

If anyone use udisks and mount filesystems with it - please tell me, if there is any way t:o specify mounting point? Because if fs have no label(eg - ext2) udisks
mounts it to /media/<uuid>. Bad idea. Really bad. Any suggestions, how to make /media/sdb1(example?
-- 


From lists at itech7.com  Fri Oct 15 11:31:03 2010
From: lists at itech7.com (Nilesh Govindarajan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:01:03 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox
	after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTintQ6gkWdZRo_LpYR1TcREOMWRj7Swj3z59c9or@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Pico Geyer <picogeyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan <lists at itech7.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer <picogeyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
>>> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
>>> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?
>>
>
> Yeah, that's the first thing I tried.

Try reinstalling it, because its working here [arch64, dual core 2
ghz]. I'm using VirtualBox OSE.
Also, reinstall the dependencies too.

-- 
Regards,
Nilesh Govindarajan
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From ngoonee at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 12:05:26 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 00:05:26 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Building packages, and their dependencies
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxw3pnOLaXi6R-xMnmx+M6tMvc0uXOVE9zD_d_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvpM-yADvmq3+pXC+L6ePbf3SjzR5NBq14q1MS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik=R+S8rGsMC5=JaTmo9pEsZQ40q6bzLLN7AgtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimxw3pnOLaXi6R-xMnmx+M6tMvc0uXOVE9zD_d_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287158726.32565.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 14:24 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:06, Ray Rashif <schiv at archlinux.org> wrote:
> > On 15 October 2010 18:37, Magnus Therning <magnus at therning.org> wrote:
> >> I have a tree of packages, organised similarly to ABS, i.e. directory
> >> names match package name, and in each directory is a PKGBUILD (and
> >> what else is needed).  Something like this:
> >>
> >> my-packages/
> >>  foo/
> >>    PKGBUILD
> >>  bar/
> >>    PKGBUILD
> >>    bar.install
> >>  baz/
> >>    PKGBUILD
> >>  ...
> >>
> >> Is there some tool that would allow me to move into one of these
> >> directories, build the package including any dependencies?  (Basically
> >> an ABS helper that handles dependencies.)
> >
> > makeworld
> 
> Excellent, but is it possible to pass it a specific package that I
> want to build, and only build its dependencies?
> 
> /M
> 
Try bauerbill out. It can be set to 'build all from abs'. Not sure about
including the dependencies though, but a bit of sed-magic may help
there.


From picogeyer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 12:08:17 2010
From: picogeyer at gmail.com (Pico Geyer)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:08:17 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox
	after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintQ6gkWdZRo_LpYR1TcREOMWRj7Swj3z59c9or@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTintQ6gkWdZRo_LpYR1TcREOMWRj7Swj3z59c9or@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmXuZ1cwOZ_oViRKRAObALqtrphP_M=PusG2tq@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan <lists at itech7.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Pico Geyer <picogeyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan <lists at itech7.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer <picogeyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
>>>> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
>>>> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, that's the first thing I tried.
>
> Try reinstalling it, because its working here [arch64, dual core 2
> ghz]. I'm using VirtualBox OSE.
> Also, reinstall the dependencies too.

So I did:
sudo pacman -S libxml2  libxcursor  libidl2  libxinerama  sdl  libxmu
curl  libvncserver  kernel26-headers qt virtualbox-ose
warning: libxml2-2.7.7-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: libxcursor-1.1.10-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: libidl2-0.8.14-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: libxinerama-1.1-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: sdl-1.2.14-5 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: libxmu-1.0.5-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: curl-7.21.2-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: libvncserver-0.9.7-3 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: kernel26-headers-2.6.35.7-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: qt-4.7.0-4 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: virtualbox-ose-3.2.10-1 is up to date -- reinstalling

>sudo /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup
>sudo rmmod vboxnetflt vboxdrv
>sudo modprobe -v vboxnetflt
>VirtualBox

Still the same problem.

Do you think you could compare your package version to those listed above.

Thanks Nilesh

Regards,
Pico

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Fri Oct 15 12:16:00 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:16:00 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox
 after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmXuZ1cwOZ_oViRKRAObALqtrphP_M=PusG2tq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTintQ6gkWdZRo_LpYR1TcREOMWRj7Swj3z59c9or@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimmXuZ1cwOZ_oViRKRAObALqtrphP_M=PusG2tq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB87E40.1010402@archlinux.org>

On 10/15/2010 07:08 PM, Pico Geyer wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan<lists at itech7.com>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Pico Geyer<picogeyer at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan<lists at itech7.com>  wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer<picogeyer at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
>>>>> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
>>>>> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, that's the first thing I tried.
>>
>> Try reinstalling it, because its working here [arch64, dual core 2
>> ghz]. I'm using VirtualBox OSE.
>> Also, reinstall the dependencies too.
>
> So I did:
> sudo pacman -S libxml2  libxcursor  libidl2  libxinerama  sdl  libxmu
> curl  libvncserver  kernel26-headers qt virtualbox-ose
> warning: libxml2-2.7.7-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: libxcursor-1.1.10-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: libidl2-0.8.14-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: libxinerama-1.1-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: sdl-1.2.14-5 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: libxmu-1.0.5-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: curl-7.21.2-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: libvncserver-0.9.7-3 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: kernel26-headers-2.6.35.7-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: qt-4.7.0-4 is up to date -- reinstalling
> warning: virtualbox-ose-3.2.10-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>
>> sudo /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup
>> sudo rmmod vboxnetflt vboxdrv
>> sudo modprobe -v vboxnetflt
>> VirtualBox
>
> Still the same problem.
>
> Do you think you could compare your package version to those listed above.
>
> Thanks Nilesh
>
> Regards,
> Pico

you didn't said if you are on i686 or x86_64. is kinda important for me. 
also do a cat /proc/cpuinfo.

next you can get rid of virtualbox-ose and install virtualbox_bin and 
see if is crashing there too, mostly to find out if is our problem or their.

-- 
Ionu?

From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Fri Oct 15 12:22:21 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (Fess)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:22:21 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Udisks, uuid and very stange mount
In-Reply-To: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop>
References: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop>
Message-ID: <20101015162221.GA14929@laptop>

On 18:28 Fri 15 Oct , Fess wrote:
> Have a nice day guys,
> 
> If anyone use udisks and mount filesystems with it - please tell me, if there is any way t:o specify mounting point? Because if fs have no label(eg - ext2) udisks
> mounts it to /media/<uuid>. Bad idea. Really bad. Any suggestions, how to make /media/sdb1(example?
> -- 

Force alarm, as i can see it's hardcoded. Damn it.
-- 


From ibiru at archlinux.org  Fri Oct 15 12:31:06 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:31:06 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Udisks, uuid and very stange mount
In-Reply-To: <20101015162221.GA14929@laptop>
References: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop> <20101015162221.GA14929@laptop>
Message-ID: <4CB881CA.4080709@archlinux.org>

On 10/15/2010 07:22 PM, Fess wrote:
> On 18:28 Fri 15 Oct , Fess wrote:
>> Have a nice day guys,
>>
>> If anyone use udisks and mount filesystems with it - please tell me, if there is any way t:o specify mounting point? Because if fs have no label(eg - ext2) udisks
>> mounts it to /media/<uuid>. Bad idea. Really bad. Any suggestions, how to make /media/sdb1(example?
>> --
>
> Force alarm, as i can see it's hardcoded. Damn it.

you can set up a label for your filesystem and udisks would use that

-- 
Ionu?

From picogeyer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 13:03:52 2010
From: picogeyer at gmail.com (Pico Geyer)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:03:52 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox
	after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4CB87E40.1010402@archlinux.org>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTintQ6gkWdZRo_LpYR1TcREOMWRj7Swj3z59c9or@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimmXuZ1cwOZ_oViRKRAObALqtrphP_M=PusG2tq@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Ionu? B?ru <ibiru at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 10/15/2010 07:08 PM, Pico Geyer wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan<lists at itech7.com>
>> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Pico Geyer<picogeyer at gmail.com> ?wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan<lists at itech7.com>
>>>> ?wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer<picogeyer at gmail.com>
>>>>> ?wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
>>>>>> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
>>>>>> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that's the first thing I tried.
>>>
>>> Try reinstalling it, because its working here [arch64, dual core 2
>>> ghz]. I'm using VirtualBox OSE.
>>> Also, reinstall the dependencies too.
>>
>> So I did:
>> sudo pacman -S libxml2 ?libxcursor ?libidl2 ?libxinerama ?sdl ?libxmu
>> curl ?libvncserver ?kernel26-headers qt virtualbox-ose
>> warning: libxml2-2.7.7-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: libxcursor-1.1.10-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: libidl2-0.8.14-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: libxinerama-1.1-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: sdl-1.2.14-5 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: libxmu-1.0.5-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: curl-7.21.2-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: libvncserver-0.9.7-3 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: kernel26-headers-2.6.35.7-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: qt-4.7.0-4 is up to date -- reinstalling
>> warning: virtualbox-ose-3.2.10-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
>>
>>> sudo /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup
>>> sudo rmmod vboxnetflt vboxdrv
>>> sudo modprobe -v vboxnetflt
>>> VirtualBox
>>
>> Still the same problem.
>>
>> Do you think you could compare your package version to those listed above.
>>
>> Thanks Nilesh
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pico
>
> you didn't said if you are on i686 or x86_64. is kinda important for me.
> also do a cat /proc/cpuinfo.
>
> next you can get rid of virtualbox-ose and install virtualbox_bin and see if
> is crashing there too, mostly to find out if is our problem or their.

Hi Ionut

Sorry about that.
I'm on i686.

cat /proc/cpuinfo:
processor	: 0
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 37
model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU         650  @ 3.20GHz
stepping	: 2
cpu MHz		: 3197.717
cache size	: 4096 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 4
core id		: 0
cpu cores	: 2
apicid		: 0
initial apicid	: 0
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 11
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov
pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx rdtscp lm
constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf
pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr
pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes lahf_lm ida arat tpr_shadow vnmi
flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips	: 6397.91
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 64
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor	: 1
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 37
model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU         650  @ 3.20GHz
stepping	: 2
cpu MHz		: 3197.717
cache size	: 4096 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 4
core id		: 2
cpu cores	: 2
apicid		: 4
initial apicid	: 4
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 11
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov
pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx rdtscp lm
constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf
pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr
pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes lahf_lm ida arat tpr_shadow vnmi
flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips	: 6397.71
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 64
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor	: 2
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 37
model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU         650  @ 3.20GHz
stepping	: 2
cpu MHz		: 3197.717
cache size	: 4096 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 4
core id		: 0
cpu cores	: 2
apicid		: 1
initial apicid	: 1
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 11
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov
pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx rdtscp lm
constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf
pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr
pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes lahf_lm ida arat tpr_shadow vnmi
flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips	: 6397.70
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 64
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor	: 3
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 37
model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU         650  @ 3.20GHz
stepping	: 2
cpu MHz		: 3197.717
cache size	: 4096 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 4
core id		: 2
cpu cores	: 2
apicid		: 5
initial apicid	: 5
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 11
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov
pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx rdtscp lm
constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf
pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr
pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes lahf_lm ida arat tpr_shadow vnmi
flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips	: 6397.71
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 64
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

virtualbox_bin (3.2.10-1) from the Aur package works correctly.

Regards,
Pico

From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Fri Oct 15 13:05:01 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (Fess)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:05:01 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Udisks, uuid and very stange mount
In-Reply-To: <4CB881CA.4080709@archlinux.org>
References: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop> <20101015162221.GA14929@laptop>
	<4CB881CA.4080709@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20101015170501.GA9298@laptop>

On 19:31 Fri 15 Oct , Ionu? B?ru wrote:
> On 10/15/2010 07:22 PM, Fess wrote:
> >On 18:28 Fri 15 Oct , Fess wrote:
> >>Have a nice day guys,
> >>
> >>If anyone use udisks and mount filesystems with it - please tell me, if there is any way t:o specify mounting point? Because if fs have no label(eg - ext2) udisks
> >>mounts it to /media/<uuid>. Bad idea. Really bad. Any suggestions, how to make /media/sdb1(example?
> >>--
> >
> >Force alarm, as i can see it's hardcoded. Damn it.
> 
> you can set up a label for your filesystem and udisks would use that
> 
> -- 
> Ionu?

And for every person, that gives me his flash drive, yeah.
-- 


From uluyol0 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 15:32:49 2010
From: uluyol0 at gmail.com (Muhammed Uluyol)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:32:49 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Udisks, uuid and very stange mount
In-Reply-To: <20101015170501.GA9298@laptop>
References: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop> <20101015162221.GA14929@laptop>
	<4CB881CA.4080709@archlinux.org> <20101015170501.GA9298@laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinfpqJw9yutMYTTq3EMVOgi67H_qX_xLB95SaZZ@mail.gmail.com>

What's wrong with using uuids?
If it's really bugging you you could use something like
#!/bin/bash
while true; do
    for dev in /media/*; do
        sdname=$(blkid -U ${dev##*/}
        [[ ! -e /media/$sdname ]] && ln -s "$dev" "/media/$sdname"
    done
done

Something that used inotify would work better though.

From uluyol0 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 15:33:55 2010
From: uluyol0 at gmail.com (Muhammed Uluyol)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:33:55 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Udisks, uuid and very stange mount
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfpqJw9yutMYTTq3EMVOgi67H_qX_xLB95SaZZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop> <20101015162221.GA14929@laptop>
	<4CB881CA.4080709@archlinux.org> <20101015170501.GA9298@laptop>
	<AANLkTinfpqJw9yutMYTTq3EMVOgi67H_qX_xLB95SaZZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+W9DHkg=p=5PRb=tFsQ1ULcRG2zrndEjxTZTN@mail.gmail.com>

Forgot, you'd probably want a 'sleep 1' or 'sleep 2' in there.

From schiv at archlinux.org  Fri Oct 15 16:33:22 2010
From: schiv at archlinux.org (Ray Rashif)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 04:33:22 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Building packages, and their dependencies
In-Reply-To: <1287158726.32565.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <AANLkTikvpM-yADvmq3+pXC+L6ePbf3SjzR5NBq14q1MS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik=R+S8rGsMC5=JaTmo9pEsZQ40q6bzLLN7AgtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimxw3pnOLaXi6R-xMnmx+M6tMvc0uXOVE9zD_d_@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287158726.32565.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZu=+gmFmyShKbL05_7QOYGv5_pp+dp36tsN7h@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/16 Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee at gmail.com>:
> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 14:24 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:06, Ray Rashif <schiv at archlinux.org> wrote:
>> > On 15 October 2010 18:37, Magnus Therning <magnus at therning.org> wrote:
>> >> I have a tree of packages, organised similarly to ABS, i.e. directory
>> >> names match package name, and in each directory is a PKGBUILD (and
>> >> what else is needed). ?Something like this:
>> >>
>> >> my-packages/
>> >> ?foo/
>> >> ? ?PKGBUILD
>> >> ?bar/
>> >> ? ?PKGBUILD
>> >> ? ?bar.install
>> >> ?baz/
>> >> ? ?PKGBUILD
>> >> ?...
>> >>
>> >> Is there some tool that would allow me to move into one of these
>> >> directories, build the package including any dependencies? ?(Basically
>> >> an ABS helper that handles dependencies.)
>> >
>> > makeworld
>>
>> Excellent, but is it possible to pass it a specific package that I
>> want to build, and only build its dependencies?
>>
>> /M
>>
> Try bauerbill out. It can be set to 'build all from abs'. Not sure about
> including the dependencies though, but a bit of sed-magic may help
> there.

Oh right, sorry, then makeworld is not the right tool. It builds what
is passed to it in an ABS-like hierarchy - it does not know about
dependencies. Looks like I misread the subject.

Anyway, Bauerbill looks like it can do that. Take a look at the examples:

http://www.xyne.archlinux.ca/projects/bauerbill/#quick-feature-overview

From magnus at therning.org  Fri Oct 15 17:05:26 2010
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:05:26 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Building packages, and their dependencies
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZu=+gmFmyShKbL05_7QOYGv5_pp+dp36tsN7h@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvpM-yADvmq3+pXC+L6ePbf3SjzR5NBq14q1MS@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik=R+S8rGsMC5=JaTmo9pEsZQ40q6bzLLN7AgtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimxw3pnOLaXi6R-xMnmx+M6tMvc0uXOVE9zD_d_@mail.gmail.com>	<1287158726.32565.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<AANLkTinZu=+gmFmyShKbL05_7QOYGv5_pp+dp36tsN7h@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB8C216.908@therning.org>

On 15/10/10 21:33, Ray Rashif wrote:
> 2010/10/16 Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee at gmail.com>:
>> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 14:24 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:06, Ray Rashif <schiv at archlinux.org> wrote:
>>>> On 15 October 2010 18:37, Magnus Therning <magnus at therning.org> wrote:
>>>>> I have a tree of packages, organised similarly to ABS, i.e. directory
>>>>> names match package name, and in each directory is a PKGBUILD (and
>>>>> what else is needed).  Something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> my-packages/
>>>>>  foo/
>>>>>    PKGBUILD
>>>>>  bar/
>>>>>    PKGBUILD
>>>>>    bar.install
>>>>>  baz/
>>>>>    PKGBUILD
>>>>>  ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there some tool that would allow me to move into one of these
>>>>> directories, build the package including any dependencies?  (Basically
>>>>> an ABS helper that handles dependencies.)
>>>>
>>>> makeworld
>>>
>>> Excellent, but is it possible to pass it a specific package that I
>>> want to build, and only build its dependencies?
>>>
>>> /M
>>>
>> Try bauerbill out. It can be set to 'build all from abs'. Not sure about
>> including the dependencies though, but a bit of sed-magic may help
>> there.
>
> Oh right, sorry, then makeworld is not the right tool. It builds what
> is passed to it in an ABS-like hierarchy - it does not know about
> dependencies. Looks like I misread the subject.
>
> Anyway, Bauerbill looks like it can do that. Take a look at the examples:
>
> http://www.xyne.archlinux.ca/projects/bauerbill/#quick-feature-overview

Ah yes, that looks like it'd fit.  Just one more question, I've never
heard of
a $repo.abs.tar.gz, how do I build one?

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                        (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus?therning?org           Jabber: magnus?therning?org
http://therning.org/magnus         identi.ca|twitter: magthe

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From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Fri Oct 15 23:05:51 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (Fess)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 07:05:51 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Udisks, uuid and very stange mount
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+W9DHkg=p=5PRb=tFsQ1ULcRG2zrndEjxTZTN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101015142802.GA13482@laptop> <20101015162221.GA14929@laptop>
	<4CB881CA.4080709@archlinux.org> <20101015170501.GA9298@laptop>
	<AANLkTinfpqJw9yutMYTTq3EMVOgi67H_qX_xLB95SaZZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin+W9DHkg=p=5PRb=tFsQ1ULcRG2zrndEjxTZTN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101016030551.GA24502@laptop>

On 14:33 Fri 15 Oct , Muhammed Uluyol wrote:
> Forgot, you'd probably want a 'sleep 1' or 'sleep 2' in there.

Of course i can use symlinks. But what WHY should i do it >_<
Already written a patch, this evening will send to them.
Hardcoded mount options - it's really bad very bad idea.
-- 


From kaz.rag at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 00:27:41 2010
From: kaz.rag at gmail.com (Kazuo Teramoto)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 01:27:41 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] hdparm-9.33-1
In-Reply-To: <201010150851.02807.t.powa@gmx.de>
References: <201010101709.54673.t.powa@gmx.de>
	<201010150851.02807.t.powa@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=yaS4L1NdkHMRTV+w3QU24FyRBfXx7XS1ribti@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Tobias Powalowski <t.powa at gmx.de> wrote:
> Am Sonntag 10 Oktober 2010 schrieb Tobias Powalowski:
>> Hi guys,
>> please signoff both arches
[...]
> bump

If an user signoff help something...

signoff x86_64

Regards,
Kazuo

-- 
?Dans la vie, rien n'est ? craindre, tout est ? comprendre?
Marie Sklodowska Curie.

From partha at gmx.us  Sat Oct 16 03:46:57 2010
From: partha at gmx.us (Partha Chowdhury)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:16:57 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it going
	to fail ?
Message-ID: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs>

I have a Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 family harddisk of 160gb capacity
which is more than 3 years old. recently I installed gsmartcontrol and
after running it, it showed number of current pending sector count and
offline uncorrectable sectors as -- 4294967295.Fearing the disk going
bad, i backed up data and started monitoring it. This is the latest
gsmartcontrol shows - 
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5707/201010161300051280x1024.png

After two weeks, the no. of bad sectors is the same and the disk shows
no sign of failure (at the least there is no problem to read or write
files from or to the disk).hence I am confused .is the disk going bad ?
if it is fine why can't it remap all those bad sectors ?

From registo.mailling at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 08:48:06 2010
From: registo.mailling at gmail.com (Mauro Santos)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:48:06 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it
 going	to fail ?
In-Reply-To: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs>
References: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs>
Message-ID: <4CB99F06.3040101@gmail.com>

On 10/16/2010 08:46 AM, Partha Chowdhury wrote:
> I have a Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 family harddisk of 160gb capacity
> which is more than 3 years old. recently I installed gsmartcontrol and
> after running it, it showed number of current pending sector count and
> offline uncorrectable sectors as -- 4294967295.Fearing the disk going
> bad, i backed up data and started monitoring it. This is the latest
> gsmartcontrol shows - 
> http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5707/201010161300051280x1024.png
> 
> After two weeks, the no. of bad sectors is the same and the disk shows
> no sign of failure (at the least there is no problem to read or write
> files from or to the disk).hence I am confused .is the disk going bad ?
> if it is fine why can't it remap all those bad sectors ?
> 

That looks a little odd, however the drive does not seem to report that
those attributes are failing (value is above threshold). If I'm not
mistaken, some drives report strange information in some of the smart
fields, it might be your case.

I have an HD that once reported non zero pending sector count and
offline uncorrectable sectors. In my case I believe the sectors were not
damaged, just contained erroneous data for some reason, because writing
over them solved the problem, the reallocated sector count didn't
increase while doing so and the pending sector count and
offline uncorrectable sectors went back to zero after that.

If you can, try overwriting the whole disk with dd, or test it with
badblocks using the write and readback test and see if anything changes.
The not so worst case is that you caught an impending disk faillure
before it caused trouble and you already have a backup, the best case is
that you find out those values are bogus and should not be taken into
account.

-- 
Mauro Santos

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Sat Oct 16 13:17:50 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:17:50 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it
 going	to fail ?
In-Reply-To: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs>
References: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs>
Message-ID: <4CB9DE3E.5060906@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/16/2010 02:46 AM, Partha Chowdhury wrote:
> I have a Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 family harddisk of 160gb capacity
> which is more than 3 years old. recently I installed gsmartcontrol and
> after running it, it showed number of current pending sector count and
> offline uncorrectable sectors as -- 4294967295.Fearing the disk going
> bad, i backed up data and started monitoring it. This is the latest
> gsmartcontrol shows - 
> http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5707/201010161300051280x1024.png
> 
> After two weeks, the no. of bad sectors is the same and the disk shows
> no sign of failure (at the least there is no problem to read or write
> files from or to the disk).hence I am confused .is the disk going bad ?
> if it is fine why can't it remap all those bad sectors ?
> 

I have found the smart reporting of seagate barracuda drives to be flaky at
best. (but I always back up and monitor as well) I have 4 spinning in 2 dmraid
arrays on a backup server, and sometimes it just throws errors. (it has done
that for years) Drive info is:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 family
Device Model:     ST3750330AS
Serial Number:    5QK0Q09G
Firmware Version: SD1A
User Capacity:    750,156,374,016 bytes
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is:    Sat Oct 16 11:59:51 2010 CDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

There have been a number of firmware changes/updates for seagate drives over the
past 3 years and several "bad runs" of disks. Check the seagate support site and
make sure you have the latest firmware for your drive. I have had the bad sector
errors - sometimes a true failure, sometimes not. Just backup, monitor and if
you continue to get the errors, drop of $50 on a new 1T drive.


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From partha at gmx.us  Sun Oct 17 10:55:05 2010
From: partha at gmx.us (Partha Chowdhury)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:25:05 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it
 going	to fail ?
In-Reply-To: <4CB9DE3E.5060906@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs> <4CB9DE3E.5060906@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101017145505.GA1318@lfs>

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 01:48:06PM +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
> If you can, try overwriting the whole disk with dd, or test it with
> badblocks using the write and readback test and see if anything
> changes.
> The not so worst case is that you caught an impending disk faillure
> before it caused trouble and you already have a backup, the best case
> is
> that you find out those values are bogus and should not be taken into
> account.

i overwrote the whole disk with ddrescue -f /dev/zero /dev/sdb.After one
and a half hours later it stopped with the message "no space left on
device" - i guess it indicates no problem ?

i also tried the badblocks program with -w option. It took a long time
5+ hours but did not report a bad sector.

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:17:50PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> There have been a number of firmware changes/updates for seagate
> drives over the
> past 3 years and several "bad runs" of disks. Check the seagate
> support site and
> make sure you have the latest firmware for your drive. I have had the
> bad sector
> errors - sometimes a true failure, sometimes not. Just backup, monitor
> and if
> you continue to get the errors, drop of $50 on a new 1T drive.
> 
I checked the seagate site and there is no firmware upgrade for this
model. On further googling, i found that seagate is only offering
firmware upgrades for 7200.12 model onwards.

Now to be absolutely sure, i downloaded the seatools program and it ran
a short and long test which both said PASSED.

Inspite of all these, gsmartcontrol shows the same.

What are the indications before a disk is going bad which a normal user
can catch with bare eyes and ears ?

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Sun Oct 17 11:00:30 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:00:30 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] preparing LibreOffice
In-Reply-To: <1287042717.20378.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20100928210442.5a0c7c3d@workstation64.home>	<20100928212741.2e01d1ba@darkstar.galaxy.all>	<4CA2594B.1010403@archlinux.org>	<1287042527.16895.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1287042717.20378.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4CBB0F8E.1020608@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/14/2010 02:51 AM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> Scratch that, it does work after all. Didn't realize that I neglected to
> kill the OOO launcher in the taskbar before testing...
> 

Now that's the best news I heard all week. All of my gtk themes are dark and it
would have been a real sore spot if LibreOffice wouldn't respect them. Thanks.

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From stefanwilkens at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 12:15:23 2010
From: stefanwilkens at gmail.com (Stefan Erik Wilkens)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:15:23 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it
 going to fail ?
In-Reply-To: <20101017145505.GA1318@lfs>
References: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs> <4CB9DE3E.5060906@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101017145505.GA1318@lfs>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsXMENdC-L2QctA6WuffkF6-wKGozNYJ07mmX2@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/17 Partha Chowdhury <partha at gmx.us>:
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 01:48:06PM +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
>
> What are the indications before a disk is going bad which a normal user
> can catch with bare eyes and ears ?
>

Drive clicking is usually a very strong indicator, also called the
click of death. A very strong *click* heard in repetition, meaning the
drive is constantly trying to read a sector that is somehow not
readable. Once this starts happening, replacing the drive is wise.

From joschi.papsch at yahoo.de  Sun Oct 17 12:28:50 2010
From: joschi.papsch at yahoo.de (Aljosha Papsch)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:28:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it
	going to fail ?
Message-ID: <582424.6168.qm@web28302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

The hard disk makes some funny noises (clicking, dangling, ...) and you wonder why some files are missing, though the disk is still "useable". Linux should throw a bunch of errors at boot time, but Windows (98) continues with its work until something crashes.

Partha Chowdhury schrieb am So 17. Okt, 2010 16:55 CEST:

>On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 01:48:06PM +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
>> If you can, try overwriting the whole disk with dd, or test it with
>> badblocks using the write and readback test and see if anything
>> changes.
>> The not so worst case is that you caught an impending disk faillure
>> before it caused trouble and you already have a backup, the best case
>> is
>> that you find out those values are bogus and should not be taken into
>> account.
>
>i overwrote the whole disk with ddrescue -f /dev/zero /dev/sdb.After one
>and a half hours later it stopped with the message "no space left on
>device" - i guess it indicates no problem ?
>
>i also tried the badblocks program with -w option. It took a long time
>5+ hours but did not report a bad sector.
>
>On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:17:50PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> There have been a number of firmware changes/updates for seagate
>> drives over the
>> past 3 years and several "bad runs" of disks. Check the seagate
>> support site and
>> make sure you have the latest firmware for your drive. I have had the
>> bad sector
>> errors - sometimes a true failure, sometimes not. Just backup, monitor
>> and if
>> you continue to get the errors, drop of $50 on a new 1T drive.
>> 
>I checked the seagate site and there is no firmware upgrade for this
>model. On further googling, i found that seagate is only offering
>firmware upgrades for 7200.12 model onwards.
>
>Now to be absolutely sure, i downloaded the seatools program and it ran
>a short and long test which both said PASSED.
>
>Inspite of all these, gsmartcontrol shows the same.
>
>What are the indications before a disk is going bad which a normal user
>can catch with bare eyes and ears ?




From joschi.papsch at yahoo.de  Sun Oct 17 12:29:01 2010
From: joschi.papsch at yahoo.de (Aljosha Papsch)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:29:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it
	going to fail ?
Message-ID: <228865.52424.qm@web28312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

The hard disk makes some funny noises (clicking, dangling, ...) and you wonder why some files are missing, though the disk is still "useable". Linux should throw a bunch of errors at boot time, but Windows (98) continues with its work until something crashes.

Partha Chowdhury schrieb am So 17. Okt, 2010 16:55 CEST:

>On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 01:48:06PM +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
>> If you can, try overwriting the whole disk with dd, or test it with
>> badblocks using the write and readback test and see if anything
>> changes.
>> The not so worst case is that you caught an impending disk faillure
>> before it caused trouble and you already have a backup, the best case
>> is
>> that you find out those values are bogus and should not be taken into
>> account.
>
>i overwrote the whole disk with ddrescue -f /dev/zero /dev/sdb.After one
>and a half hours later it stopped with the message "no space left on
>device" - i guess it indicates no problem ?
>
>i also tried the badblocks program with -w option. It took a long time
>5+ hours but did not report a bad sector.
>
>On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:17:50PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> There have been a number of firmware changes/updates for seagate
>> drives over the
>> past 3 years and several "bad runs" of disks. Check the seagate
>> support site and
>> make sure you have the latest firmware for your drive. I have had the
>> bad sector
>> errors - sometimes a true failure, sometimes not. Just backup, monitor
>> and if
>> you continue to get the errors, drop of $50 on a new 1T drive.
>> 
>I checked the seagate site and there is no firmware upgrade for this
>model. On further googling, i found that seagate is only offering
>firmware upgrades for 7200.12 model onwards.
>
>Now to be absolutely sure, i downloaded the seatools program and it ran
>a short and long test which both said PASSED.
>
>Inspite of all these, gsmartcontrol shows the same.
>
>What are the indications before a disk is going bad which a normal user
>can catch with bare eyes and ears ?




From registo.mailling at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 12:46:07 2010
From: registo.mailling at gmail.com (Mauro Santos)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:46:07 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] [OT]Disk showing too many bad sectors - is it
 going	to fail ?
In-Reply-To: <20101017145505.GA1318@lfs>
References: <20101016074657.GA13427@lfs> <4CB9DE3E.5060906@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101017145505.GA1318@lfs>
Message-ID: <4CBB284F.2010703@gmail.com>

On 17-10-2010 15:55, Partha Chowdhury wrote:
> i overwrote the whole disk with ddrescue -f /dev/zero /dev/sdb.After one
> and a half hours later it stopped with the message "no space left on
> device" - i guess it indicates no problem ?

> i also tried the badblocks program with -w option. It took a long time
> 5+ hours but did not report a bad sector.

It seems to indicate that everything is ok

> I checked the seagate site and there is no firmware upgrade for this
> model. On further googling, i found that seagate is only offering
> firmware upgrades for 7200.12 model onwards.
> 
> Now to be absolutely sure, i downloaded the seatools program and it ran
> a short and long test which both said PASSED.

This reinforces the conclusion taken after the previous tests. If I'm
not wrong the test seatools performs is just issue a smart long test,
which you can also do with smartctl (and also check the test log), this
is a read only test as far as I know. In the smart test log you can also
see the addresses of the current pending sector count and offline
uncorrectable sectors if they are not too many and if the drive returns
sane data (which doesn't seem to be the case).

> Inspite of all these, gsmartcontrol shows the same.
> 
> What are the indications before a disk is going bad which a normal user
> can catch with bare eyes and ears ?

The first indication would be frequent hangups or trouble reading some
files and errors on dmesg about not being able to read sector xyz and
some (s)ata code error. However like I said before, I've experienced a
case where a write to the affected sectors solved the problem, but if
the problem is serious then at best the sector will be marked as damaged
and reallocated if there is still spare space for reallocation.

If you start to see the reallocated sector count (and reallocation event
count on some drives) increase then better backup everything.

Also keep an eye on all pre-failure attributes, if any of those says
failing or failed in the past I think it's bad news.

You may also hear some abnormal clicking, however if you hear this the
drive is probably already way past any possibility of data recovery at home.

Mind you that the sometimes drives fail without warning or without any
change in the smart attributes. This [1] is an interesting read.

[1] http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

-- 
Mauro Santos

From ngoonee at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 13:20:52 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:20:52 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] preparing LibreOffice
In-Reply-To: <4CBB0F8E.1020608@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <20100928210442.5a0c7c3d@workstation64.home>
	<20100928212741.2e01d1ba@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<4CA2594B.1010403@archlinux.org>
	<1287042527.16895.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1287042717.20378.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4CBB0F8E.1020608@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287336052.15482.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 10:00 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 10/14/2010 02:51 AM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Scratch that, it does work after all. Didn't realize that I neglected to
> > kill the OOO launcher in the taskbar before testing...
> > 
> 
> Now that's the best news I heard all week. All of my gtk themes are dark and it
> would have been a real sore spot if LibreOffice wouldn't respect them. Thanks.
> 
Well, since your gtk themes are dark I'd assume you do know of the 'fix'
I used. I wasn't implying that libreoffice does something so reasonable
as actually function properly OOTB with dark themes =).

Come to think of it, perhaps I should file a bug report on that....


From magnus at therning.org  Mon Oct 18 02:48:34 2010
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:48:34 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Gnome question (that is unanswered on the gnome
	mailinglist)
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I'd try my luck on here, even though this is a rather
Gnome-specific question:

In the past I've been using seahorse to provide both a gpg agent and
an ssh agent.  Recently I noticed that gnome-keyring-daemon provides
both of those agents.  I must say though that it seems to be very
flaky.

I'll switch back to using seahorse for now, but I'm still wondering
why it is that there are two Gnome components with so much overlapping
functionality.
Will one replace the other?

/M

-- 
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From plewis at aur.archlinux.org  Mon Oct 18 05:37:29 2010
From: plewis at aur.archlinux.org (Peter Lewis)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:37:29 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Gnome question (that is unanswered on the gnome
	mailinglist)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>

On Monday 18 October 2010 at 07:48 Magnus Therning wrote:
> I thought I'd try my luck on here, even though this is a rather
> Gnome-specific question:
> 
> In the past I've been using seahorse to provide both a gpg agent and
> an ssh agent.  Recently I noticed that gnome-keyring-daemon provides
> both of those agents.  I must say though that it seems to be very
> flaky.
> 
> I'll switch back to using seahorse for now, but I'm still wondering
> why it is that there are two Gnome components with so much overlapping
> functionality.
> Will one replace the other?

I don't use GNOME and my info might be out of date, but my understanding was 
that seahorse is replacing gnome-keyring for everything.

Cheers,

Peter.

From gleira at gleira.com  Mon Oct 18 06:30:24 2010
From: gleira at gleira.com (Guillermo Leira)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:30:24 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] GDM Locked
In-Reply-To: <201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <000701cb6eaf$7a1fd5f0$6e5f81d0$@com>

Hi!

After the last Pacman -Syu, I can't login with gdm. As soon as I clikc on my username, the system seems to freeze... Although not completely: I can ping from other computer, but I can't ssh.

Before I click on the username, the "switch off" icon at the right down corner works. Once I click on the username, nothing else works, and I neither can ctrl-alt-F1 to the console...

Any suggestions/questions?

Best Regards,

Guillermo



From magnus at therning.org  Mon Oct 18 06:56:15 2010
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:56:15 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Gnome question (that is unanswered on the gnome
	mailinglist)
In-Reply-To: <201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik56+jRiNj8dvZnVj+Lo0ELdjkLay3eGgSH7FxX@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:37, Peter Lewis <plewis at aur.archlinux.org> wrote:
> On Monday 18 October 2010 at 07:48 Magnus Therning wrote:
>> I thought I'd try my luck on here, even though this is a rather
>> Gnome-specific question:
>>
>> In the past I've been using seahorse to provide both a gpg agent and
>> an ssh agent. ?Recently I noticed that gnome-keyring-daemon provides
>> both of those agents. ?I must say though that it seems to be very
>> flaky.
>>
>> I'll switch back to using seahorse for now, but I'm still wondering
>> why it is that there are two Gnome components with so much overlapping
>> functionality.
>> Will one replace the other?
>
> I don't use GNOME and my info might be out of date, but my understanding was
> that seahorse is replacing gnome-keyring for everything.

That's what I thought as well, but gnome-keyring-daemon can still be
configured to provide both types of agents, and it does so by default
after the latest upgrade.  The bad bit is that it is crap at it!

Anyway, for now I'll disable the agents from gnome-keyring and make
sure seahorse is started on login instead.

/M

-- 
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magnus?therning?org? ? ? ? ? Jabber: magnus?therning?org
http://therning.org/magnus? ? ? ?? identi.ca|twitter: magthe

From magnus at therning.org  Mon Oct 18 10:03:07 2010
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:03:07 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] The new Arch Haskell
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZRhgROktZ+j0_Md-QORrFihg-tB1x3+DS6v-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for x-posting this announcement, but I hope I won't be beaten up
too much for it.  Please send any replies to the Arch Haskell mailing
list: http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-haskell

There is a new Arch Haskell team and we've made some changes.  You can
find more details at
http://archhaskell.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/arch-haskell-under-new-management/

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus?therning?org? ? ? ? ? Jabber: magnus?therning?org
http://therning.org/magnus? ? ? ?? identi.ca|twitter: magthe

From ppk at cse.iitk.ac.in  Mon Oct 18 16:01:01 2010
From: ppk at cse.iitk.ac.in (Piyush P Kurur)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:31:01 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] ssh mutt etc problem
Message-ID: <20101018200101.GA11775@login.cse.iitk.ac.in.cse.iitk.ac.in>

Dear Archers,


	With the latest pacman -Syu I am getting segfaults with ssh and mutt.
I think the two are related for the following reason

(1) Mutt works alright till it tries to make SSL/TLS connection and then it
    seg faults

(2) ssh directly seg faults


I think this has got to do with an update in openssl (both mutt and openssh
depends on this) although the openssl comman itself does not seem to have a problem

Regards

ppk



From ghost1227 at archlinux.us  Mon Oct 18 11:05:51 2010
From: ghost1227 at archlinux.us (Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227))
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:05:51 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] ssh mutt etc problem
In-Reply-To: <20101018200101.GA11775@login.cse.iitk.ac.in.cse.iitk.ac.in>
References: <20101018200101.GA11775@login.cse.iitk.ac.in.cse.iitk.ac.in>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim+EQ5UyBKvOSF_GuTE=0GPGQxi+vCrZ7Q=mgP3@mail.gmail.com>

I'd have to check, but if there was a soname bump on the last update, things
might not be linked correctly. Does recompiling the affected programs help?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Piyush P Kurur <ppk at cse.iitk.ac.in> wrote:

> Dear Archers,
>
>
>        With the latest pacman -Syu I am getting segfaults with ssh and
> mutt.
> I think the two are related for the following reason
>
> (1) Mutt works alright till it tries to make SSL/TLS connection and then it
>    seg faults
>
> (2) ssh directly seg faults
>
>
> I think this has got to do with an update in openssl (both mutt and openssh
> depends on this) although the openssl comman itself does not seem to have a
> problem
>
> Regards
>
> ppk
>
>
>

From ppk at cse.iitk.ac.in  Mon Oct 18 16:52:55 2010
From: ppk at cse.iitk.ac.in (Piyush P Kurur)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:22:55 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] [*]  Re:  ssh mutt etc problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim+EQ5UyBKvOSF_GuTE=0GPGQxi+vCrZ7Q=mgP3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101018200101.GA11775@login.cse.iitk.ac.in.cse.iitk.ac.in>
	<AANLkTim+EQ5UyBKvOSF_GuTE=0GPGQxi+vCrZ7Q=mgP3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101018205255.GA11926@login.cse.iitk.ac.in.cse.iitk.ac.in>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:05:51AM -0500, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:
> I'd have to check, but if there was a soname bump on the last update, things
> might not be linked correctly. Does recompiling the affected programs help?


My problem. Everythign seems to be working now. I really dont know what changed
I removed mutt ssh and installed again and it started working.


Regards

ppk

From christian08 at runbox.com  Mon Oct 18 12:19:03 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:19:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about arch packages
Message-ID: <201010181819030078.0003181D@127.0.0.1>

Hi,
In the PKBUILD script there is some times install followed by a couple of numbers, what are they for?
Many thanks,
Christian


From pyther at pyther.net  Mon Oct 18 12:19:43 2010
From: pyther at pyther.net (Matthew Gyurgyik)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:19:43 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with
 Virtualbox	after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBC739F.1000603@pyther.net>

  On 10/15/2010 10:20 AM, Pico Geyer wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan<lists at itech7.com>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer<picogeyer at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
>>> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
>>> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>>>
>>> I get the following error: Failed to open a session for the virtual
>>> machine My_VM
>>> Callee RC: NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG (0x80070057)
>>> Virtualbox then crashes (segmentation fault).
>>>
>>> I had the testing repo enabled, so I thought that one of the packages
>>> from testing might have broken it.
>>> So I disabled the testing repo in pacman.conf and removed all testing
>>> packages with:
>>> pacman -Syy
>>> pacamn -Suu
>>>
>>> I then recompiled my virtualbox drivers and rebooted.
>>> But that did not help at all.
>>>
>>> I created a core dump file by following these instructions:
>>> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Core_dump
>>>
>>> So the stack trace is 41000 lines long :-|
>>> I'll paste just the first and last few lines:
>>> #0  0xb5cad825 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>> #1  0xb5ca7b27 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>> #2  0xb5ca9760 in QTextEngine::itemize() const () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>> #3  0xb5caeca8 in QTextLayout::beginLayout() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>> #4  0xb5b9b550 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>> #5  0xb5b9c1b1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>> [snip]
>>> #41537 0xb5a36407 in QApplication::exec() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>> #41538 0xb6b5405b in TrustedMain () from /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so
>>> #41539 0x08048d9f in ?? ()
>>> #41540 0xb76ccc76 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
>>> #41541 0x08048c81 in ?? ()
>>>
>>>
>>> Any advice?
>>> Should I file a bug in the arch bug tracker?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Pico
>>>
>> Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?
>>
> Yeah, that's the first thing I tried.
>
> Pico
Did you reload the modules after rebuilding them?
rmmod vboxdrv; rmmod vboxnetflt; modprobe vboxdrv; modprobe vboxnetflt; 
etc...

From daenyth+arch at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 12:24:24 2010
From: daenyth+arch at gmail.com (Daenyth Blank)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:24:24 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Question about arch packages
In-Reply-To: <201010181819030078.0003181D@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010181819030078.0003181D@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinAnE2zkOTvwHL1KJMzhcEHiHw_QSzJGfXHARdj@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:19, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> In the PKBUILD script there is some times install followed by a couple of numbers, what are they for?
> Many thanks,
> Christian
>
>

Can you be more specific?

From foutrelis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 12:40:04 2010
From: foutrelis at gmail.com (Evangelos Foutras)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:40:04 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Question about arch packages
In-Reply-To: <201010181819030078.0003181D@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010181819030078.0003181D@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7keybpGLowN1Y607mJpsKvfS6EbA+nGTqmE=O@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> In the PKBUILD script there is some times install followed by a couple of numbers, what are they for?

It's a command that copies files and sets the specified permissions on
them. See `man install' for more information.

From byron at theclarkfamily.name  Mon Oct 18 12:39:39 2010
From: byron at theclarkfamily.name (Byron Clark)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:39:39 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] Question about arch packages
In-Reply-To: <201010181819030078.0003181D@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010181819030078.0003181D@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20101018163939.GB9952@bclarkjive.lan>

On 10/18/10 at 06:19pm, Christian wrote:
> In the PKBUILD script there is some times install followed by a couple of numbers, what are they for?

man 1 install, specifically the -m option.

-- 
Byron Clark

From hollunder at lavabit.com  Mon Oct 18 15:24:05 2010
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:24:05 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Network troubles
Message-ID: <1287427794-sup-8457@eris>

Hi,
I recently dealt a lot with my laptops network configuration because I
needed wlan for uni. Sadly the free driver for my chip still doesn't
work, however, with the proprietary broadcom it works. While
troubleshooting the wlan issues I ditched wicd (because it's buggy,
even the dev doesn't use it anymore) and went a level lower.

As stated before, wlan works at uni and at home as it should, using just
wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd, however, I also need wired network at home,
and whatever I try it just doesn't work.

I suspect the problem might have existed with wicd already, as it worked
with static IP, but not using dhcp.
Now I try to use /etc/rc.d/network but without success so far.

Here's some typical output:
$ sudo /etc/rc.d/network restart
Password: 
:: Stopping Network                                                         [DONE]
:: Starting Network                                                         [BUSY]
up: error fetching interface information: Device not found
wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:22:69:73:3C:68  
          inet addr:192.168.1.6  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::222:69ff:fe73:3c68/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:12682 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:7068
          TX packets:7825 errors:9 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:16755594 (15.9 Mb)  TX bytes:652987 (637.6 Kb)
          Interrupt:17 
                                                                            [FAIL]

The network fails to start most of the time, but manual ifconfig eth0 up
and manual starting of dhcpcd works just fine.
The probably relevant config parts are:
/etc/rc.conf

eth0="dhcp"
INTERFACES=(lo eth0)

DAEMONS=(syslog-ng sensors network @alsa @ntpd @crond @cups @laptop-mode)


/etc/dhcpcd.conf

# A sample configuration for dhcpcd.
# See dhcpcd.conf(5) for details.

# Inform the DHCP server of our hostname for DDNS.
hostname
# To share the DHCP lease across OSX and Windows a ClientID is needed.
# Enabling this may get a different lease than the kernel DHCP client.
# Some upstream DHCP servers may also require a ClientID, such as FRITZ!Box.
#clientid

# A list of options to request from the DHCP server.
option domain_name_servers, domain_name, domain_search, host_name
option classless_static_routes
# Most distributions have NTP support.
option ntp_servers
# Respect the network MTU.
option interface_mtu
# A ServerID is required by RFC2131.
require dhcp_server_identifier

# A hook script is provided to lookup the hostname if not set by the DHCP
# server, but it should not be run by default.
nohook lookup-hostname
noipv4ll


I'm not sure what else is relevant. I especially have no idea where the
error output comes from and what's wrong. I also assume dhcpcd is
supposed to be running automatically by the network daemon/script, but
that doesn't seem to happen in my case.

Philipp


From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Mon Oct 18 22:43:54 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:43:54 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] pacman -Syu ==> NOT included depencies (with
	reasons): ...
Message-ID: <4CBD05EA.3000807@suddenlinkmail.com>

Here is a new one for me

	A system update tonight provided the following note:

==> NOT included depencies(with reasons):
- sidplay - we do not have sidplay 2 series in repos; also it's
  somehow connected with resid i guess(not in repos also)

this is the first time I've seen this and it looks like pacman got confused
looking for the sidplay 2 series package. What I don't understand is:

"also it's somehow connected with resid i guess(not in repos also)"

What the heck is 'resid' and who is 'i' that is guessing?? (what?)


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From allan at archlinux.org  Mon Oct 18 22:50:19 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:50:19 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] pacman -Syu ==> NOT included depencies
	(with	reasons): ...
In-Reply-To: <4CBD05EA.3000807@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CBD05EA.3000807@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBD076B.4080306@archlinux.org>

On 19/10/10 12:43, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Here is a new one for me
>
> 	A system update tonight provided the following note:
>
> ==>  NOT included depencies(with reasons):
> - sidplay - we do not have sidplay 2 series in repos; also it's
>    somehow connected with resid i guess(not in repos also)
>
> this is the first time I've seen this and it looks like pacman got confused
> looking for the sidplay 2 series package. What I don't understand is:
>
> "also it's somehow connected with resid i guess(not in repos also)"
>
> What the heck is 'resid' and who is 'i' that is guessing?? (what?)

That is a post_install message as a result of shitty packaging.  File a 
bug report.

Allan

From picogeyer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 00:37:22 2010
From: picogeyer at gmail.com (Pico Geyer)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 06:37:22 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Anybody else having trouble with Virtualbox
	after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4CBC739F.1000603@pyther.net>
References: <AANLkTikjN-yw8ZUQEn+Xjgz840aMvEVMwHki9KhuO3=u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=wdCCVsgH9R0QBq4Z6jxTrGZSr91Vjj5FORe8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin-367xPsfXR8SC1WQRFfzNNsWe_EROgL2kZ=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CBC739F.1000603@pyther.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksDekFyxM1uE5Q_zuOHbHyQBPed7TsmsCBwn+i@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik <pyther at pyther.net> wrote:
> ?On 10/15/2010 10:20 AM, Pico Geyer wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan<lists at itech7.com>
>> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Pico Geyer<picogeyer at gmail.com> ?wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is the right place for me to raise my issue.
>>>> After doing a pacman -Syu and then rebooting I noticed that I could no
>>>> longer start my VirtualBox vms
>>>>
>>>> I get the following error: Failed to open a session for the virtual
>>>> machine My_VM
>>>> Callee RC: NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG (0x80070057)
>>>> Virtualbox then crashes (segmentation fault).
>>>>
>>>> I had the testing repo enabled, so I thought that one of the packages
>>>> from testing might have broken it.
>>>> So I disabled the testing repo in pacman.conf and removed all testing
>>>> packages with:
>>>> pacman -Syy
>>>> pacamn -Suu
>>>>
>>>> I then recompiled my virtualbox drivers and rebooted.
>>>> But that did not help at all.
>>>>
>>>> I created a core dump file by following these instructions:
>>>> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Core_dump
>>>>
>>>> So the stack trace is 41000 lines long :-|
>>>> I'll paste just the first and last few lines:
>>>> #0 ?0xb5cad825 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>>> #1 ?0xb5ca7b27 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>>> #2 ?0xb5ca9760 in QTextEngine::itemize() const () from
>>>> /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>>> #3 ?0xb5caeca8 in QTextLayout::beginLayout() () from
>>>> /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>>> #4 ?0xb5b9b550 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>>> #5 ?0xb5b9c1b1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>>> [snip]
>>>> #41537 0xb5a36407 in QApplication::exec() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
>>>> #41538 0xb6b5405b in TrustedMain () from
>>>> /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so
>>>> #41539 0x08048d9f in ?? ()
>>>> #41540 0xb76ccc76 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
>>>> #41541 0x08048c81 in ?? ()
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any advice?
>>>> Should I file a bug in the arch bug tracker?
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> Pico
>>>>
>>> Did you rebuild the module using /etc/rc.d/vboxdrv setup?
>>>
>> Yeah, that's the first thing I tried.
>>
>> Pico
>
> Did you reload the modules after rebuilding them?
> rmmod vboxdrv; rmmod vboxnetflt; modprobe vboxdrv; modprobe vboxnetflt;
> etc...
>

Hi Matthew,

Yes I did. I've also rebooted just in case. I'm pretty sure it's not
the modules that are causing the problem.

Regards,
Pico

From charmender at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 00:38:42 2010
From: charmender at gmail.com (Angus)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:38:42 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <4CAD591D.8030005@archlinux.org>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD591D.8030005@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHSqr4MY7U_-9w7hrLWw1OiBRqnofkqy05dtLp@mail.gmail.com>

> Hmm... ?I probably should have added a version to the provides line in the
> python package. ? Currently it only provides "python3" and not a version so
> the versioned deps in those AUR packages are causing issues. ?I'll get
> around to that before this exits [testing]....

Um... did you perhaps not get around to it?

:: Replace python3 with extra/python? [Y/n]
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: pyqt-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1
:: sip-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1

From gleira at gleira.com  Tue Oct 19 02:51:15 2010
From: gleira at gleira.com (Guillermo Leira)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:51:15 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] GDM Locked
In-Reply-To: <000701cb6eaf$7a1fd5f0$6e5f81d0$@com>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>	<201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
	<000701cb6eaf$7a1fd5f0$6e5f81d0$@com>
Message-ID: <000901cb6f5a$06dd3050$149790f0$@com>

> After the last Pacman -Syu, I can't login with gdm. As soon as I clikc on my
> username, the system seems to freeze... Although not completely: I can ping
> from other computer, but I can't ssh.
> 
> Before I click on the username, the "switch off" icon at the right down corner
> works. Once I click on the username, nothing else works, and I neither can
> ctrl-alt-F1 to the console...
> 
> Any suggestions/questions?

I have removed GDM and installed SLIM. Now I can login, but the screen shows nothing... And if I try to CTRL-ALT-F1 to the console, the system locks again. It is not a GDM problem.

If I run startx from the command line, X starts.

Any advice?

Best regards,

Guillermo



From captainhaggy at i2pmail.org  Tue Oct 19 04:56:59 2010
From: captainhaggy at i2pmail.org (karl)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:56:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [arch-general] GDM Locked
In-Reply-To: <20101019065134.715253EF82@smtp.postman.i2p>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
	<000701cb6eaf$7a1fd5f0$6e5f81d0$@com>
	<20101019065134.715253EF82@smtp.postman.i2p>
Message-ID: <20101019085659.2F2823EFB8@smtp.postman.i2p>

On 06:51 Tue 19 Oct     , Guillermo Leira wrote:
> > After the last Pacman -Syu, I can't login with gdm. As soon as I clikc on my
> > username, the system seems to freeze... Although not completely: I can ping
> > from other computer, but I can't ssh.
> > 
> > Before I click on the username, the "switch off" icon at the right down corner
> > works. Once I click on the username, nothing else works, and I neither can
> > ctrl-alt-F1 to the console...
> > 
> > Any suggestions/questions?
> 
> I have removed GDM and installed SLIM. Now I can login, but the screen shows nothing... And if I try to CTRL-ALT-F1 to the console, the system locks again. It is not a GDM problem.
> 
> If I run startx from the command line, X starts.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Guillermo
> 

Hi Guillermo,

try and make yourself a new user. If that one can work with the X-part of your system - then some rights in your local $HOME directory are broken (.xinitrc 
would be a candidate for this kind of weird behaviour, but also .ICEauthority or .Xauthority).
If of cause the new user account does have the same problems, your /etx/X11 or worse might have wrong user rights.
Have also a look i a file called .xerrors, .xsession-errors  - or something like that (can't remember the correct name anymore), there could be some hints in 
it, if it does exist, what your problem is.

Best regards,

Karl


From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 05:11:54 2010
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:11:54 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] GDM Locked
In-Reply-To: <20101019085659.2F2823EFB8@smtp.postman.i2p>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
	<000701cb6eaf$7a1fd5f0$6e5f81d0$@com>
	<20101019065134.715253EF82@smtp.postman.i2p>
	<20101019085659.2F2823EFB8@smtp.postman.i2p>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikP1mXfiUsRFPCqR3gXOhFbR6_pHGJFQKAXM0V0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:56 AM, karl <captainhaggy at i2pmail.org> wrote:

> On 06:51 Tue 19 Oct     , Guillermo Leira wrote:
> > > After the last Pacman -Syu, I can't login with gdm. As soon as I clikc
> on my
> > > username, the system seems to freeze... Although not completely: I can
> ping
> > > from other computer, but I can't ssh.
> > >
> > > Before I click on the username, the "switch off" icon at the right down
> corner
> > > works. Once I click on the username, nothing else works, and I neither
> can
> > > ctrl-alt-F1 to the console...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions/questions?
> >
> > I have removed GDM and installed SLIM. Now I can login, but the screen
> shows nothing... And if I try to CTRL-ALT-F1 to the console, the system
> locks again. It is not a GDM problem.
> >
> > If I run startx from the command line, X starts.
> >
> > Any advice?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Guillermo
> >
>
> Hi Guillermo,
>
> try and make yourself a new user. If that one can work with the X-part of
> your system - then some rights in your local $HOME directory are broken
> (.xinitrc
> would be a candidate for this kind of weird behaviour, but also
> .ICEauthority or .Xauthority).
> If of cause the new user account does have the same problems, your /etx/X11
> or worse might have wrong user rights.
> Have also a look i a file called .xerrors, .xsession-errors  - or something
> like that (can't remember the correct name anymore), there could be some
> hints in
> it, if it does exist, what your problem is.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Karl
>
>
When you run Slim, you also get a /var/log/slim.log to look at.


-- 
C?dric Girard

From captainhaggy at i2pmail.org  Tue Oct 19 05:15:29 2010
From: captainhaggy at i2pmail.org (karl)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:15:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [arch-general] GDM Locked
In-Reply-To: <20101019065134.715253EF82@smtp.postman.i2p>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>
	<201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>
	<000701cb6eaf$7a1fd5f0$6e5f81d0$@com>
	<20101019065134.715253EF82@smtp.postman.i2p>
Message-ID: <20101019091529.81A103EFC8@smtp.postman.i2p>

On 06:51 Tue 19 Oct     , Guillermo Leira wrote:
> > After the last Pacman -Syu, I can't login with gdm. As soon as I clikc on my
> > username, the system seems to freeze... Although not completely: I can ping
> > from other computer, but I can't ssh.
> > 
> > Before I click on the username, the "switch off" icon at the right down corner
> > works. Once I click on the username, nothing else works, and I neither can
> > ctrl-alt-F1 to the console...
> > 
> > Any suggestions/questions?
> 
> I have removed GDM and installed SLIM. Now I can login, but the screen shows nothing... And if I try to CTRL-ALT-F1 to the console, the system locks again. It is not a GDM problem.
> 
> If I run startx from the command line, X starts.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Guillermo
> 

The behaviour that switching to the console freezes the output happens normaly, when kernel mode settings aren't activated / functioning / vesa instead of 
the nouveau-driver (radeon, intel, whatever) is used.
Have a look ...

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KMS
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau

Kind regards,

Karl


From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Oct 19 08:35:26 2010
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:35:26 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Upgrading while using a package (WAS: Re: pacman
 -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca warnings. Bug or coincidence?)
In-Reply-To: <4CB6D6E2.4030808@archlinux.org>
References: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>
	<4CB6ACA7.6090905@t-online.de>
	<45d80ca78e7e5eb3a5aaa5d829a2afee@localhost>
	<4CB6D6E2.4030808@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LMD.2.00.1010190814190.2557@localhost.localdomain>


It would appear that on Oct 14, Thomas B?chler did say:

> My recommendations:
> 1) If you are upgrading your desktop environment, exit your session,
> quit your login manager and upgrade from the text console. I advise to
> run pacman -Sywu from the desktop and when the download finishes, run
> pacman -Su from the text console.

OK, pardon my intrusion, but NOW I'm curious...

I can understand the advantage of running "pacman -Su" from a text console (By
which I don't mean using <ctrl>+<alt>+<F[1-6]> while the gui is still running.).
It just makes sense, especially when pacman is expressly not a gui app. I can
also understand that it might be better to run "pacman -Sywu" first as a
separate operation. But why run the latter from the gui???


> 2) Put all kernel-related packages on --ignore until you are planning to
> reboot. If you are not going to reboot, a kernel update will have no
> effect anyway.

As a general rule I always reboot after any "pacman -Su" operation. If I
wasn't prepared to reboot, I wouldn't upgrade my system. 

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <->     Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|       ^              J(tWdy)P
|    ~\___/~      <<jtwdyp at ttlc.net>>

From snowmaniscool at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 09:15:02 2010
From: snowmaniscool at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eric_B=E9langer?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:15:02 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Upgrading while using a package (WAS: Re: pacman
 -Syu -- then tons of kio and kbuildsycoca warnings. Bug or coincidence?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LMD.2.00.1010190814190.2557@localhost.localdomain>
References: <931be0c4cf6de792e7f49ea7eec81da7@localhost>
	<4CB6ACA7.6090905@t-online.de>
	<45d80ca78e7e5eb3a5aaa5d829a2afee@localhost>
	<4CB6D6E2.4030808@archlinux.org>
	<alpine.LMD.2.00.1010190814190.2557@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VcOZLkwf6oNb0bCtUzPDULKD5PVTbsoOX-HHq@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:
>
> It would appear that on Oct 14, Thomas B?chler did say:
>
>> My recommendations:
>> 1) If you are upgrading your desktop environment, exit your session,
>> quit your login manager and upgrade from the text console. I advise to
>> run pacman -Sywu from the desktop and when the download finishes, run
>> pacman -Su from the text console.
>
> OK, pardon my intrusion, but NOW I'm curious...
>
> I can understand the advantage of running "pacman -Su" from a text console (By
> which I don't mean using <ctrl>+<alt>+<F[1-6]> while the gui is still running.).
> It just makes sense, especially when pacman is expressly not a gui app. I can
> also understand that it might be better to run "pacman -Sywu" first as a
> separate operation. But why run the latter from the gui???
>

The idea behind doing the upgrade in 2 operations and doing "pacman
-Sywu" in the GUI is that it allows you to continue working in the GUI
while the packages are being downloaded. So you don't waste time in
the console waiting for pacman  to  download the packages.  Of course,
if you are not using the GUI or don't mind waiting, then you can just
run "pacman -Syu" in the console.

>
>> 2) Put all kernel-related packages on --ignore until you are planning to
>> reboot. If you are not going to reboot, a kernel update will have no
>> effect anyway.
>
> As a general rule I always reboot after any "pacman -Su" operation. If I
> wasn't prepared to reboot, I wouldn't upgrade my system.
>
> --
> | ? --- ? ___
> | ? <0> ? <-> ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
> | ? ? ? ^ ? ? ? ? ? ? ?J(tWdy)P
> | ? ?~\___/~ ? ? ?<<jtwdyp at ttlc.net>>

From jan.steffens at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 10:20:34 2010
From: jan.steffens at gmail.com (Jan Steffens)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:20:34 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] PostgreSQL 9.0.1 in [testing]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinPXzZDFugzhRxkpPOQRRLemERfu7dhyp90kiH+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinPXzZDFugzhRxkpPOQRRLemERfu7dhyp90kiH+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPqOAb3OeXE0P-USKLbc3U3oaBHooY4BCRbAK6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Community feedback welcome as well, but this is now in testing now
> that the Python rebuild has moved on. Please let me know (good and
> bad) how things are going with it so I can move it along to [extra].

Lots of stuff seems to be missing from the package (e.g. adminpack.so).

From jan.steffens at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 10:32:38 2010
From: jan.steffens at gmail.com (Jan Steffens)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:32:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] PostgreSQL 9.0.1 in [testing]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPqOAb3OeXE0P-USKLbc3U3oaBHooY4BCRbAK6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinPXzZDFugzhRxkpPOQRRLemERfu7dhyp90kiH+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikPqOAb3OeXE0P-USKLbc3U3oaBHooY4BCRbAK6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimKpVL_VqaTvgQ0KZSN_JJX_OSHZUPrBQWtu7vz@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jan Steffens <jan.steffens at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Community feedback welcome as well, but this is now in testing now
>> that the Python rebuild has moved on. Please let me know (good and
>> bad) how things are going with it so I can move it along to [extra].
>
> Lots of stuff seems to be missing from the package (e.g. adminpack.so).
>

It seems that the PKGBUILD is doing a "make -C contrib uninstall"
instead of the required "make -C contrib install".

From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 10:35:19 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:35:19 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] PostgreSQL 9.0.1 in [testing]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPqOAb3OeXE0P-USKLbc3U3oaBHooY4BCRbAK6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinPXzZDFugzhRxkpPOQRRLemERfu7dhyp90kiH+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikPqOAb3OeXE0P-USKLbc3U3oaBHooY4BCRbAK6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinacV_Y+S_j6SJo06bbKZ7ZYT1gyE=9DeTTNpHX@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jan Steffens <jan.steffens at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Community feedback welcome as well, but this is now in testing now
>> that the Python rebuild has moved on. Please let me know (good and
>> bad) how things are going with it so I can move it along to [extra].
>
> Lots of stuff seems to be missing from the package (e.g. adminpack.so).

I'm not sure why I had that `make -C contrib uninstall` line in there;
I'll take a look.

-Dan

From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 10:49:39 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:49:39 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] PostgreSQL 9.0.1 in [testing]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinacV_Y+S_j6SJo06bbKZ7ZYT1gyE=9DeTTNpHX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinPXzZDFugzhRxkpPOQRRLemERfu7dhyp90kiH+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikPqOAb3OeXE0P-USKLbc3U3oaBHooY4BCRbAK6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinacV_Y+S_j6SJo06bbKZ7ZYT1gyE=9DeTTNpHX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKembZQ4rFtVo1DxcsVH=SRXmQqRPcmrKOGU8M@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jan Steffens <jan.steffens at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Community feedback welcome as well, but this is now in testing now
>>> that the Python rebuild has moved on. Please let me know (good and
>>> bad) how things are going with it so I can move it along to [extra].
>>
>> Lots of stuff seems to be missing from the package (e.g. adminpack.so).
>
> I'm not sure why I had that `make -C contrib uninstall` line in there;
> I'll take a look.

OK, stupidity should be fixed in 9.0.1-2.

-Dan

From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Tue Oct 19 10:50:14 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (Fess)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:50:14 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] python3 update
Message-ID: <20101019145014.GA28660@laptop>

I think this is useful information: all soft installed from aur need to be reinstalled with changing line like "python setup.py blah-blah" to line "python2 setup.py blah-blah". Because some packages still aren't touched(e.g. charm).
So, something like that.
-- 


From clement at archivel.fr  Tue Oct 19 12:54:16 2010
From: clement at archivel.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment_D=E9moulins?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:54:16 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] python3 update
In-Reply-To: <20101019145014.GA28660@laptop>
References: <20101019145014.GA28660@laptop>
Message-ID: <4CBDCD38.5010902@archivel.fr>

Le 19/10/2010 16:50, Fess a ?crit :
> I think this is useful information: all soft installed from aur need to be reinstalled with changing line like "python setup.py blah-blah" to line "python2 setup.py blah-blah". Because some packages still aren't touched(e.g. charm).
> So, something like that.

And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2.

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From anthony at extof.me  Tue Oct 19 13:00:05 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:00:05 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] python3 update
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2010/10/19 Cl?ment D?moulins <clement at archivel.fr>:
> Le 19/10/2010 16:50, Fess a ?crit :
>> I think this is useful information: all soft installed from aur need to be reinstalled with changing line like "python setup.py blah-blah" to line "python2 setup.py blah-blah". Because some packages still aren't touched(e.g. charm).
>> So, something like that.
>
> And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2.

ugh, the impending doom, why didn't i prepare!!!

all my development with pyjamas has halted until i get pyjamas itself
working under py3k (or 2.7 even...)

:-(

oh well, most things seemed to have gone smooth; thanks guys.  hakuna
matata, it means no worries :-), i should have been working on py3k
compliance awhile back, no one to blame but me!

/whips self and hopes it's not too much work

C Anthony

From lists at baums-on-web.de  Tue Oct 19 13:13:19 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:13:19 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] python3 update
In-Reply-To: <4CBDCD38.5010902@archivel.fr>
References: <20101019145014.GA28660@laptop>
	<4CBDCD38.5010902@archivel.fr>
Message-ID: <20101019191319.3636001b@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:54:16 +0200
schrieb Cl?ment D?moulins <clement at archivel.fr>:

> Le 19/10/2010 16:50, Fess a ?crit :
> > I think this is useful information: all soft installed from aur
> > need to be reinstalled with changing line like "python setup.py
> > blah-blah" to line "python2 setup.py blah-blah". Because some
> > packages still aren't touched(e.g. charm). So, something like that.
> 
> And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2.

It would probably make sense to discuss this on aur-general instead of
arch-general.

And for the affected packages you should probably write comments in the
AUR in case a maintainer doesn't read the mailing list or has forgotten
to updating a package.

Heiko

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Oct 19 15:12:02 2010
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:12:02 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] python3 update
In-Reply-To: <20101019191319.3636001b@darkstar.galaxy.all>
References: <20101019145014.GA28660@laptop> <4CBDCD38.5010902@archivel.fr>
	<20101019191319.3636001b@darkstar.galaxy.all>
Message-ID: <20101019191202.GM12920@ponape>

El 19/10/10 07:13, Heiko Baums dijo:
> Am Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:54:16 +0200
> schrieb Cl?ment D?moulins <clement at archivel.fr>:
> 
> > Le 19/10/2010 16:50, Fess a ?crit :
> > > I think this is useful information: all soft installed from aur
> > > need to be reinstalled with changing line like "python setup.py
> > > blah-blah" to line "python2 setup.py blah-blah". Because some
> > > packages still aren't touched(e.g. charm). So, something like that.
> > 
> > And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2.
> 
> It would probably make sense to discuss this on aur-general instead of
> arch-general.
> 
> And for the affected packages you should probably write comments in the
> AUR in case a maintainer doesn't read the mailing list or has forgotten
> to updating a package.

maybe making a query to post a new comment on every AUR package that
depends on python?

-- 
Salud!
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From baho-utot at columbus.rr.com  Tue Oct 19 16:53:41 2010
From: baho-utot at columbus.rr.com (Baho Utot)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:53:41 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] PostgreSQL 9.0.1 in [testing]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinacV_Y+S_j6SJo06bbKZ7ZYT1gyE=9DeTTNpHX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinPXzZDFugzhRxkpPOQRRLemERfu7dhyp90kiH+@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikPqOAb3OeXE0P-USKLbc3U3oaBHooY4BCRbAK6@mail.gmail.com>
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  On 10/19/10 10:35, Dan McGee wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jan Steffens<jan.steffens at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Dan McGee<dpmcgee at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Community feedback welcome as well, but this is now in testing now
>>> that the Python rebuild has moved on. Please let me know (good and
>>> bad) how things are going with it so I can move it along to [extra].
>> Lots of stuff seems to be missing from the package (e.g. adminpack.so).
> I'm not sure why I had that `make -C contrib uninstall` line in there;
> I'll take a look.
>
> -Dan

Allan broke it!


From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Tue Oct 19 17:18:18 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:18:18 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] pacman -Syu ==> NOT included
 depencies	(with	reasons): ...
In-Reply-To: <4CBD076B.4080306@archlinux.org>
References: <4CBD05EA.3000807@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<4CBD076B.4080306@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <4CBE0B1A.2010801@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/18/2010 09:50 PM, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 19/10/10 12:43, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> Here is a new one for me
>>
>>     A system update tonight provided the following note:
>>
>> ==>  NOT included depencies(with reasons):
>> - sidplay - we do not have sidplay 2 series in repos; also it's
>>    somehow connected with resid i guess(not in repos also)
>>
>> this is the first time I've seen this and it looks like pacman got confused
>> looking for the sidplay 2 series package. What I don't understand is:
>>
>> "also it's somehow connected with resid i guess(not in repos also)"
>>
>> What the heck is 'resid' and who is 'i' that is guessing?? (what?)
> 
> That is a post_install message as a result of shitty packaging.  File a bug report.
> 
> Allan
> 

Done:

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21354

-- 
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Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
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From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Tue Oct 19 19:25:42 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:25:42 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Setuptools broken?
Message-ID: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>

Hi folks,

With the python upgrade from 2.7 to 3.1, I ran into the following snag.
gitosis from AUR depends on python and setuptools.  Now, python =
python3.1 now and setuptools installs in the python2.7 library tree.
This was easy enough to fix, by simply replacing python with python2 in
the gitosis PKGBUILD.  However, I would expect that python2 will
disappear completely somewhere down the road.  What then?  Moreover,
being a purist, I would like to avoid having two python versions
installed on my machine.  So what's the deal with python3.1 and
setuptools?  Is the procedure for installing python packages different
under 3.1 than under the old 2.x series, and there simply are no
setuptools any more?  If that's the case, I guess it's the
responsibility of package maintainers to migrate to the setup used in
python3.1.  If setuptools is still what is needed in python3.1,
shouldn't there now be two packages setuptools and setuptools2 that
install in the library trees of python3.1 and python2.7, respectively?
(I'm happy to file a bug report if this is indeed a bug.)

Cheers,
Norbert

-- 

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From schiv at archlinux.org  Tue Oct 19 19:37:23 2010
From: schiv at archlinux.org (Ray Rashif)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:37:23 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Setuptools broken?
In-Reply-To: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 October 2010 07:25, Norbert Zeh <nzeh at cs.dal.ca> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> With the python upgrade from 2.7 to 3.1, I ran into the following snag.
> gitosis from AUR depends on python and setuptools. ?Now, python =
> python3.1 now and setuptools installs in the python2.7 library tree.
> This was easy enough to fix, by simply replacing python with python2 in
> the gitosis PKGBUILD. ?However, I would expect that python2 will
> disappear completely somewhere down the road. ?What then? ?Moreover,
> being a purist, I would like to avoid having two python versions
> installed on my machine. ?So what's the deal with python3.1 and
> setuptools? ?Is the procedure for installing python packages different
> under 3.1 than under the old 2.x series, and there simply are no
> setuptools any more? ?If that's the case, I guess it's the
> responsibility of package maintainers to migrate to the setup used in
> python3.1. ?If setuptools is still what is needed in python3.1,
> shouldn't there now be two packages setuptools and setuptools2 that
> install in the library trees of python3.1 and python2.7, respectively?
> (I'm happy to file a bug report if this is indeed a bug.)

Python 3 should be using distribute [1] instead of setuptools. Either
way, you don't need to worry. Most software still require Python 2,
and by the time we do drop python2, everything should be working.

You can avoid installing python for now if you don't have anything
that can depend on it ("Required by"):

http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/python/

[1] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute

From maxc at me.com  Tue Oct 19 19:47:20 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:47:20 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>

I'm curious what the rationale is behind changing the default to Python 3? 

My understanding is that many libraries are not yet available on Python 3. As a developer, this could make life difficult.

Regards,


Max Countryman

From andrea at archlinux.org  Tue Oct 19 20:01:27 2010
From: andrea at archlinux.org (Andrea Scarpino)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:01:27 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
Message-ID: <201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>

On Wednesday 20 October 2010 01:47:20 Max Countryman wrote:
> I'm curious what the rationale is behind changing the default to Python 3?
> 
> My understanding is that many libraries are not yet available on Python 3.
> As a developer, this could make life difficult.

You should read Allan's post[1]

[1] http://allanmcrae.com/2010/10/big-python-transition-in-arch-linux/

-- 
Andrea Scarpino
Arch Linux Developer

From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 20:22:14 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:22:14 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Setuptools broken?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=N4=4DDext3bKh6H94yT_zk6R6VtSq7zjGv4-n@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Ray Rashif <schiv at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 20 October 2010 07:25, Norbert Zeh <nzeh at cs.dal.ca> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> With the python upgrade from 2.7 to 3.1, I ran into the following snag.
>> gitosis from AUR depends on python and setuptools. ?Now, python =
>> python3.1 now and setuptools installs in the python2.7 library tree.
>> This was easy enough to fix, by simply replacing python with python2 in
>> the gitosis PKGBUILD. ?However, I would expect that python2 will
>> disappear completely somewhere down the road. ?What then? ?Moreover,
>> being a purist, I would like to avoid having two python versions
>> installed on my machine. ?So what's the deal with python3.1 and
>> setuptools? ?Is the procedure for installing python packages different
>> under 3.1 than under the old 2.x series, and there simply are no
>> setuptools any more? ?If that's the case, I guess it's the
>> responsibility of package maintainers to migrate to the setup used in
>> python3.1. ?If setuptools is still what is needed in python3.1,
>> shouldn't there now be two packages setuptools and setuptools2 that
>> install in the library trees of python3.1 and python2.7, respectively?
>> (I'm happy to file a bug report if this is indeed a bug.)
>
> Python 3 should be using distribute [1] instead of setuptools. Either
> way, you don't need to worry. Most software still require Python 2,
> and by the time we do drop python2, everything should be working.

Well if you're still around in like 2019 when python2 disappears, we
might have problems, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

-Dan

From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Tue Oct 19 20:18:49 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:18:49 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20101020001849.GC19445@cs.dal.ca>

Andrea Scarpino [2010.10.20 0201 +0200]:
> On Wednesday 20 October 2010 01:47:20 Max Countryman wrote:
> > I'm curious what the rationale is behind changing the default to Python 3?
> > 
> > My understanding is that many libraries are not yet available on Python 3.
> > As a developer, this could make life difficult.
> 
> You should read Allan's post[1]
> 
> [1] http://allanmcrae.com/2010/10/big-python-transition-in-arch-linux/

Thanks, Andrea and Ray.  So it seems that everybody involved in this is
aware that this is a long process with some glitches like the one I
observed along the way, and I agree with Allan that the rationale behind
the move is consistent with arch's focus on bleeding edge.

Cheers,
Norbert

From maxc at me.com  Tue Oct 19 20:25:23 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:25:23 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>

First, thank you for the link, it's good to read a more fleshed out perspective.

> Of course, your own python scripts will need to point at /usr/bin/python2. However, by doing this you may run into portability issues across distros. There does not appear to be an easy solution for that at the moment. It seems that while most (all?) distributions include a /usr/bin/python3 link to their python3.xbinary, none do the same thing for python2.x. Either create your own symlink in your path for those distros or even better file a bug with them asking for such a symlink. They are going to need one in the future?

This definitely complicates development. While I appreciate being on the bleeding edge, in some cases it may not always be desirable.

Is Python 3 truly ready for primetime? I have read that some libraries are not yet ported and that Python 3 is not yet recommended for development purposes.

I'm still not really clear on the rationale for the timing; to put it in testing makes complete sense. The migration from testing is my only concern

Lastly, let me also add that the rebuild is very impressive. Congratulations and thank you for your wonderful efforts!

On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote:

> On Wednesday 20 October 2010 01:47:20 Max Countryman wrote:
>> I'm curious what the rationale is behind changing the default to Python 3?
>> 
>> My understanding is that many libraries are not yet available on Python 3.
>> As a developer, this could make life difficult.
> 
> You should read Allan's post[1]
> 
> [1] http://allanmcrae.com/2010/10/big-python-transition-in-arch-linux/
> 
> -- 
> Andrea Scarpino
> Arch Linux Developer


From maxc at me.com  Tue Oct 19 20:36:16 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:36:16 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
Message-ID: <543DDE0F-180E-48CA-8DC9-88C7D998C240@me.com>


> It seems that while most (all?) distributions include a /usr/bin/python3 link to their python3.xbinary, none do the same thing for python2.x. Either create your own symlink in your path for those distros or even better file a bug with them asking for such a symlink. They are going to need one in the future?


I wanted to also clarify something or ask if someone could possibly clarify for me: where has it been established that Python 3 will become the replacement for the default Python binary? Is there a possibility that the standard convention might become python and python3 as binaries, where python is 2.7.x and python3 is the latest release of 3? I'm sure that this has already been discussed elsewhere or within the Python community itself, so if anyone could just point me in the direction I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!

From daenyth+arch at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 20:40:20 2010
From: daenyth+arch at gmail.com (Daenyth Blank)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:40:20 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <543DDE0F-180E-48CA-8DC9-88C7D998C240@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
	<543DDE0F-180E-48CA-8DC9-88C7D998C240@me.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinShh5S=foAQxCUPDrVkYwQAnK8E4ys=L4tT4iY@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 20:36, Max Countryman <maxc at me.com> wrote:
>
>> It seems that while most (all?) distributions include a /usr/bin/python3 link to their python3.xbinary, none do the same thing for python2.x. Either create your own symlink in your path for those distros or even better file a bug with them asking for such a symlink. They are going to need one in the future?
>
>
> I wanted to also clarify something or ask if someone could possibly clarify for me: where has it been established that Python 3 will become the replacement for the default Python binary? Is there a possibility that the standard convention might become python and python3 as binaries, where python is 2.7.x and python3 is the latest release of 3? I'm sure that this has already been discussed elsewhere or within the Python community itself, so if anyone could just point me in the direction I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3
"At the time of writing (July 4, 2010), the final 2.7 release is out,
with a statement of extended support for this end-of-life release. The
2.x branch will see no new major releases after that. 3.x is under
active and continued development, with 3.1 already available and 3.2
due for release around the turn of the year.

3.x is the newest branch of Python and the intended future of the language."

From anthony at extof.me  Tue Oct 19 20:40:53 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:40:53 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
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	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxWYQo+iJKOKgd5DZL0Luna_uTMjPeTr8xTHh0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Max Countryman <maxc at me.com> wrote:
> First, thank you for the link, it's good to read a more fleshed out perspective.
>
>> Of course, your own python scripts will need to point at /usr/bin/python2. However, by doing this you may run into portability issues across distros. There does not appear to be an easy solution for that at the moment. It seems that while most (all?) distributions include a /usr/bin/python3 link to their python3.xbinary, none do the same thing for python2.x. Either create your own symlink in your path for those distros or even better file a bug with them asking for such a symlink. They are going to need one in the future?
>
> This definitely complicates development. While I appreciate being on the bleeding edge, in some cases it may not always be desirable.

in most cases you can probably do whats needed to get <insert here> to
just use python2 instead.  i'm a developer by profession... and this
whole thing is pretty disruptive to meh w3rk flow... but hey, we
wouldn't be here if we didn't expect these things, right? :-)

> Is Python 3 truly ready for primetime? I have read that some libraries are not yet ported and that Python 3 is not yet recommended for development purposes.

AFAIK, py3k is the _only_ thing recommended for new development.  the
2.x series is frozen; 3.x is the clear path forward... we've all known
this for some time, and some of us procrastinated :-) [me].  the
current version is 3.1.2... i think it's past the .0 bugs; sluggish
libraries have little to do with the interpreter itself.

> I'm still not really clear on the rationale for the timing; to put it in testing makes complete sense. The migration from testing is my only concern
>
> Lastly, let me also add that the rebuild is very impressive. Congratulations and thank you for your wonderful efforts!

as annoying as this whole thing is to my projects, i understand and
support the decision 100%.  sooner is always better than later... when
our stuff is solid again, other distro's will be dealing with the same
thing.  it's inevitable, Smith.

C Anthony

From allan at archlinux.org  Tue Oct 19 20:48:05 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:48:05 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
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On 20/10/10 10:25, Max Countryman wrote:
> First, thank you for the link, it's good to read a more fleshed out perspective.
>
>> Of course, your own python scripts will need to point at /usr/bin/python2. However, by doing this you may run into portability issues across distros. There does not appear to be an easy solution for that at the moment. It seems that while most (all?) distributions include a /usr/bin/python3 link to their python3.xbinary, none do the same thing for python2.x. Either create your own symlink in your path for those distros or even better file a bug with them asking for such a symlink. They are going to need one in the future?
>
> This definitely complicates development. While I appreciate being on the bleeding edge, in some cases it may not always be desirable.

I turns out that only Debian does not provide a /usr/bin/python2 symlink 
(out of major distro), so portability issues are a lot less than I 
thought anyway.  Besides, if you are using /usr/bin/python you have no 
idea whether you are getting python 2.4, 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, and now 3.1... 
So if you really need portability you are going to have to deal with 
that anyway.

> Is Python 3 truly ready for primetime? I have read that some libraries are not yet ported and that Python 3 is not yet recommended for development purposes.

Python-3.x is what upstream is developing.  python-2.7 is only bug 
fixes.  So the switch makes sense given that is the future of python. 
Note we still have a python-2.7 package and will for a very long time...

> I'm still not really clear on the rationale for the timing; to put it in testing makes complete sense. The migration from testing is my only concern

In Arch the [testing] repo is only for testing what intends to 
immediately go to the main repo.  Leavin stuff in there is a right pain 
in the arse as you have to build everything twice to update a package 
(once for [extra], once for [testing]).

Arch is bleeding edge.  We do things first.  We experience the pain 
before others.  That what makes us full of awesome.

Allan

From maxc at me.com  Tue Oct 19 21:58:08 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:58:08 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <4CBE3C45.7070600@archlinux.org>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
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> I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python team deciding at some point that they intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries perpetually, and require Python 3.X to be invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in making this change, and inconsistent with other Python distributions.
> EDIT: I can't find a conclusive decision but here is one discussion on the subject: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/0...

There is any interesting conversation taking place over at Hacker News: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1808840

From maxc at me.com  Tue Oct 19 22:00:29 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:00:29 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
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Apologies, link cut in original quote: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html

On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Max Countryman wrote:

>> I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python team deciding at some point that they intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries perpetually, and require Python 3.X to be invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in making this change, and inconsistent with other Python distributions.
>> EDIT: I can't find a conclusive decision but here is one discussion on the subject: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/0...
> 
> There is any interesting conversation taking place over at Hacker News: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1808840


From charmender at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 00:35:22 2010
From: charmender at gmail.com (Angus)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:35:22 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHSqr4MY7U_-9w7hrLWw1OiBRqnofkqy05dtLp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>
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>> Hmm... ?I probably should have added a version to the provides line in the
>> python package. ? Currently it only provides "python3" and not a version so
>> the versioned deps in those AUR packages are causing issues. ?I'll get
>> around to that before this exits [testing]....
>
> Um... did you perhaps not get around to it?
>
> :: Replace python3 with extra/python? [Y/n]
> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
> :: pyqt-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1
> :: sip-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1

...anybody?

From mie.iscrizioni at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 03:24:30 2010
From: mie.iscrizioni at gmail.com (Stefano Z.)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:24:30 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <939F9B24-DE09-406F-9337-FD21F6D68496@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
	<4CBE3C45.7070600@archlinux.org>
	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
	<939F9B24-DE09-406F-9337-FD21F6D68496@me.com>
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anyone know if reportlab does work with python3 ?

From mithrandiragain at lavabit.com  Wed Oct 20 00:31:17 2010
From: mithrandiragain at lavabit.com (Mithrandir)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:31:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
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	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20101020T063001-954@post.gmane.org>

Max Countryman <maxc <at> me.com> writes:

> 
> > I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python team
deciding at some point that they
> intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries perpetually,
and require Python 3.X to be
> invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in making this change, and
inconsistent with other Python distributions.
> > EDIT: I can't find a conclusive decision but here is one discussion on the
subject: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/0...
> 
> There is any interesting conversation taking place over at Hacker News:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1808840
> 
> 


Ha ha! We posted at virtually the same time! (Or not...) :D


From registo.mailling at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 07:07:33 2010
From: registo.mailling at gmail.com (Mauro Santos)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:07:33 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcPYdrt6u_GGMt7ycvF7qwo+NeS1fm=QvrKzs5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>	<4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>	<AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>	<4CAD591D.8030005@archlinux.org>	<AANLkTikHSqr4MY7U_-9w7hrLWw1OiBRqnofkqy05dtLp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimcPYdrt6u_GGMt7ycvF7qwo+NeS1fm=QvrKzs5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBECD75.2010806@gmail.com>

On 20-10-2010 05:35, Angus wrote:
>>> Hmm...  I probably should have added a version to the provides line in the
>>> python package.   Currently it only provides "python3" and not a version so
>>> the versioned deps in those AUR packages are causing issues.  I'll get
>>> around to that before this exits [testing]....
>>
>> Um... did you perhaps not get around to it?
>>
>> :: Replace python3 with extra/python? [Y/n]
>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>> :: pyqt-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1
>> :: sip-py3and2: requires python3>=3.1
> 
> ...anybody?
> 

Those are AUR packages, you need to ask their maintainers in the AUR to
make the necessary changes.

-- 
Mauro Santos

From maxc at me.com  Wed Oct 20 07:14:43 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:14:43 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20101020T063001-954@post.gmane.org>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
	<4CBE3C45.7070600@archlinux.org>
	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
	<loom.20101020T063001-954@post.gmane.org>
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Oh is there another thread on this list? My apologies if so! I just joined earlier yesterday. :)

On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Mithrandir wrote:

> Ha ha! We posted at virtually the same time! (Or not...) :D


From charmender at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 07:32:48 2010
From: charmender at gmail.com (Angus)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:32:48 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] no python3 package?
In-Reply-To: <4CBECD75.2010806@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTindtm-rwf5q=wRZeXq-V23F-oSL5n0bcKxcAnsN@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD5143.9030200@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTin6j21gx1H6SkPkwsaUb_E+t7g6v0e7F7oZB_Kz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CAD591D.8030005@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikHSqr4MY7U_-9w7hrLWw1OiBRqnofkqy05dtLp@mail.gmail.com>
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> Those are AUR packages, you need to ask their maintainers in the AUR to
> make the necessary changes.

Learn2read, please. I was given the impression that this was going to
be solved with the python package:

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
>Hmm...  I probably should have added a version to the provides line in the
>python package.   Currently it only provides "python3" and not a version so
>the versioned deps in those AUR packages are causing issues.  I'll get
>around to that before this exits [testing]....

Note the part: "I'll get around to that before this exits [testing]"...

From lists at baums-on-web.de  Wed Oct 20 09:47:18 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:47:18 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [aur-general] Libreoffice in AUR
In-Reply-To: <4CB6E73E.2030501@archlinux.org>
References: <1287038567.27346.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4CB6ADEF.8050008@t-online.de>
	<1287041266.996.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4CB6B2F4.6050602@t-online.de>
	<E1P6Iay-0006EH-HP@web08.mi6.kiev.ua>
	<4CB6BCCF.2080401@t-online.de> <E1P6J7R-00061B-JC@st10.mi6.kiev.ua>
	<4CB6E528.4080507@t-online.de> <4CB6E73E.2030501@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20101020154718.0a04ff38@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:19:26 +0300
schrieb Ionu? B?ru <ibiru at archlinux.org>:

> somebody already uploaded a new build, libreoffice-new. the name is 
> kinda stupid and it makes me want to delete it.

I'd second this. It also seems to be a duplicate to libreoffice-bin.
And libreoffice-build should be deleted, too, renamed to libreoffice
and updated to the latest beta.

Btw., libreoffice-new is missing the "-beta" in $pkgver.

Why I'm crossposting this to aur-general and arch-general is this
article:
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/OpenOffice-Council-asks-LibreOffice-makers-to-resign-1110236.html

It's conceivable that OpenOffice and LibreOffice won't cooperate and
will be developed independently from each other. So they most likely
will differ and provide different features rather soon.

So I'd like to see LibreOffice in [extra] besides OpenOffice. I think
LibreOffice is or will soon be too important to just have it in AUR or
[community].

Nevertheless regardless whether LibreOffice is in AUR, [community] or
[extra] there should be clean packages and naming schemes which comply
with the packaging and naming schemes for OpenOffice. Ensuring this is
another reason to put it officially to [extra].

Heiko

From medeiros.hilton at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 09:52:41 2010
From: medeiros.hilton at gmail.com (Hilton Medeiros)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:52:41 -0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20101020T063001-954@post.gmane.org>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:31:17 +0000 (UTC)
Mithrandir <mithrandiragain at lavabit.com> wrote:

> Max Countryman <maxc <at> me.com> writes:
> 
> > 
> > > I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python
> > > team
> deciding at some point that they
> > intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries
> > perpetually,
> and require Python 3.X to be
> > invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in making this change, and
> inconsistent with other Python distributions.
> > > EDIT: I can't find a conclusive decision but here is one
> > > discussion on the
> subject:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/0...
> > 
> > There is any interesting conversation taking place over at Hacker
> > News:
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1808840
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Ha ha! We posted at virtually the same time! (Or not...) :D
> 

HackerNews, Slashdot, ...:
- Someone post an announcement with 10 lines;
- They read it (or not) and think that that is all the information
  behind the story;
- They furiously start typing the first thing that pops in their mind;
- By the time you (Mithrandir, in this case) posted a more in-depth
  post, the majority had already run to the next news.

Also, the... bitching there is completely nonsense. I can't believe
they know Linux or even python well enough judging by what they say
about developing _difficulties_ because of this move.

AFAIK, with python is easy as hell to build a local/virtual environment
for any python version... I don't get it. Anyway, nothing to see there
for this post, sadly.

Congratulations to Allan, devs and tus for the move!

Cheers,
Hilton

From maxc at me.com  Wed Oct 20 09:59:34 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:59:34 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <20101020115241.6b6e8ddd@gmail.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
	<4CBE3C45.7070600@archlinux.org>
	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
	<loom.20101020T063001-954@post.gmane.org>
	<20101020115241.6b6e8ddd@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A01C4925-ED66-4D79-B51E-DEFF51F71AAE@me.com>

I think that my only concern at this point is how the Python development team sees the future of the binary: if the python and python3 convention is kept I worry about the ease of portability apropos to development under Arch.

For further in-depth discussion of the overall move the comments of the post on HN are excellent and illustrate clearly both sides. 

On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:52, Hilton Medeiros <medeiros.hilton at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:31:17 +0000 (UTC)
> Mithrandir <mithrandiragain at lavabit.com> wrote:
> 
>> Max Countryman <maxc <at> me.com> writes:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python
>>>> team
>> deciding at some point that they
>>> intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries
>>> perpetually,
>> and require Python 3.X to be
>>> invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in making this change, and
>> inconsistent with other Python distributions.
>>>> EDIT: I can't find a conclusive decision but here is one
>>>> discussion on the
>> subject:
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/0...
>>> 
>>> There is any interesting conversation taking place over at Hacker
>>> News:
>> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1808840
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ha ha! We posted at virtually the same time! (Or not...) :D
>> 
> 
> HackerNews, Slashdot, ...:
> - Someone post an announcement with 10 lines;
> - They read it (or not) and think that that is all the information
>  behind the story;
> - They furiously start typing the first thing that pops in their mind;
> - By the time you (Mithrandir, in this case) posted a more in-depth
>  post, the majority had already run to the next news.
> 
> Also, the... bitching there is completely nonsense. I can't believe
> they know Linux or even python well enough judging by what they say
> about developing _difficulties_ because of this move.
> 
> AFAIK, with python is easy as hell to build a local/virtual environment
> for any python version... I don't get it. Anyway, nothing to see there
> for this post, sadly.
> 
> Congratulations to Allan, devs and tus for the move!
> 
> Cheers,
> Hilton

From anthony at extof.me  Wed Oct 20 10:03:51 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:03:51 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <20101020115241.6b6e8ddd@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Hilton Medeiros
<medeiros.hilton at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:31:17 +0000 (UTC)
> Mithrandir <mithrandiragain at lavabit.com> wrote:
>
>> Max Countryman <maxc <at> me.com> writes:
>>
>> >
>> > > I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python
>> > > team
>> deciding at some point that they
>> > intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries
>> > perpetually,
>> and require Python 3.X to be
>> > invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in making this change, and
>> inconsistent with other Python distributions.
>> > > EDIT: I can't find a conclusive decision but here is one
>> > > discussion on the
>> subject:
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/0...
>> >
>> > There is any interesting conversation taking place over at Hacker
>> > News:
>> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1808840
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Ha ha! We posted at virtually the same time! (Or not...) :D
>>
>
> HackerNews, Slashdot, ...:
> - Someone post an announcement with 10 lines;
> - They read it (or not) and think that that is all the information
> ?behind the story;
> - They furiously start typing the first thing that pops in their mind;
> - By the time you (Mithrandir, in this case) posted a more in-depth
> ?post, the majority had already run to the next news.
>
> Also, the... bitching there is completely nonsense. I can't believe
> they know Linux or even python well enough judging by what they say
> about developing _difficulties_ because of this move.
>
> AFAIK, with python is easy as hell to build a local/virtual environment
> for any python version... I don't get it. Anyway, nothing to see there
> for this post, sadly.
>
> Congratulations to Allan, devs and tus for the move!

yeah, concur... ultimately i've had few problems; the couple i did
have with pyjamas/pyjs i was able to fix pretty quickly.

it's amusing sensing the hostility of some comments around the net;
personally it just seems like the same old same old... following
upstream.

i like the python2.7, python2, python3.1, python3, etc, scheme... i
think this makes it very easy for developers to select the specific
interpreter they need, if any.  i hope this trend becomes/is defacto.
if you are just running `python`, you should be prepared for the
environment ambiguity it entails.

C Anthony

From anthony at extof.me  Wed Oct 20 10:05:22 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:05:22 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony at extof.me> wrote:
>
> i like the python2.7, python2, python3.1, python3, etc, scheme... i
> think this makes it very easy for developers to select the specific
> interpreter they need, if any. ?i hope this trend becomes/is defacto.
> if you are just running `python`, you should be prepared for the
> environment ambiguity it entails.

beh, i meant to add that the `python` name should always link to the
latest release; i don't believe in catering to 'the way it is now'.

C Anthony

From maxc at me.com  Wed Oct 20 10:14:10 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:14:10 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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But is that what Python development has decided?

On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:05, C Anthony Risinger <anthony at extof.me> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony at extof.me> wrote:
>> 
>> i like the python2.7, python2, python3.1, python3, etc, scheme... i
>> think this makes it very easy for developers to select the specific
>> interpreter they need, if any.  i hope this trend becomes/is defacto.
>> if you are just running `python`, you should be prepared for the
>> environment ambiguity it entails.
> 
> beh, i meant to add that the `python` name should always link to the
> latest release; i don't believe in catering to 'the way it is now'.
> 
> C Anthony

From anthony at extof.me  Wed Oct 20 10:32:05 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:32:05 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Max Countryman <maxc at me.com> wrote:
>
> But is that what Python development has decided?

I'm not sure what they have recommended.  Ultimately it's up to the
distros to decide such things; I have seen that written more then once
by BFDL and friends.

I think what Arch is doing is perfectly reasonable; if you, as a
developer, or even a user, run the `python` binary, you should not
expect any assurances, as you are making assumptions about the target
environment.  If your app requires a particular major or minor version
to operate correctly, then make this clear in the shebang, throw an
exception, etc... imo, catering to sluggish apps that are not py3k
compatible and not active enough to even acknowledge the onset of
py3k, is a waste of time.

C Anthony

From maxc at me.com  Wed Oct 20 10:58:42 2010
From: maxc at me.com (Max Countryman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:58:42 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that python3 will not become python. 

Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no indication that the python3 binary is intended to become the python binary.

The link I posted earlier to the thread on the Python mailing list seems to indicate the opposite. 

On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:32, C Anthony Risinger <anthony at extof.me> wrote:

> I think what Arch is doing is perfectly reasonable; if you, as a
> developer, or even a user, run the `python` binary, you should not
> expect any assurances, as you are making assumptions about the target
> environment.  If your app requires a particular major or minor version
> to operate correctly, then make this clear in the shebang, throw an
> exception, etc... imo, catering to sluggish apps that are not py3k
> compatible and not active enough to even acknowledge the onset of
> py3k, is a waste of time.

From pyther at pyther.net  Wed Oct 20 11:07:12 2010
From: pyther at pyther.net (Matthew Gyurgyik)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:07:12 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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  On 10/20/2010 10:58 AM, Max Countryman wrote:
> That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that python3 will not become python.
>
> Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no indication that the python3 binary is intended to become the python binary.
>
> The link I posted earlier to the thread on the Python mailing list seems to indicate the opposite.
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:32, C Anthony Risinger<anthony at extof.me>  wrote:
>
>> I think what Arch is doing is perfectly reasonable; if you, as a
>> developer, or even a user, run the `python` binary, you should not
>> expect any assurances, as you are making assumptions about the target
>> environment.  If your app requires a particular major or minor version
>> to operate correctly, then make this clear in the shebang, throw an
>> exception, etc... imo, catering to sluggish apps that are not py3k
>> compatible and not active enough to even acknowledge the onset of
>> py3k, is a waste of time.
Please don't top post. http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/

From ambaratti.listas at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 11:16:52 2010
From: ambaratti.listas at gmail.com (Armando M. Baratti)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:52 -0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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Em 20-10-2010 05:24, Stefano Z. escreveu:
> anyone know if reportlab does work with python3 ?
>

No, reportlab doesn't work with python3.
Neither Django, nor Twisted.

As well the modules below are incompatible with python3 (to mention a few):
- PyGTK2
- Pyjamas
- Kiwi
- Beaker
- Cheetah
- CherryPy
- nose
- Paste
- numpy
- PyChecker
- pycrypto
- egenix utilities (used by many db connectors)
- psycopg
- couchdbkit
- Elixir
- MySQL-python
- PyMySQL
- PyDB2

And many, many more.
It'll be a long time for many of these modules be converted (rewritten 
in some cases) to python3.

It was a smart move from the standpoint of package management, but from 
the point of view of a developer...

Armando

From daenyth+arch at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 11:21:58 2010
From: daenyth+arch at gmail.com (Daenyth Blank)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:21:58 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:16, Armando M. Baratti
<ambaratti.listas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Em 20-10-2010 05:24, Stefano Z. escreveu:
>>
>> anyone know if reportlab does work with python3 ?
>>
>
> No, reportlab doesn't work with python3.
> Neither Django, nor Twisted.
>
> As well the modules below are incompatible with python3 (to mention a few):
> - PyGTK2
> - Pyjamas
> - Kiwi
> - Beaker
> - Cheetah
> - CherryPy
> - nose
> - Paste
> - numpy
> - PyChecker
> - pycrypto
> - egenix utilities (used by many db connectors)
> - psycopg
> - couchdbkit
> - Elixir
> - MySQL-python
> - PyMySQL
> - PyDB2
>
> And many, many more.
> It'll be a long time for many of these modules be converted (rewritten in
> some cases) to python3.
>
> It was a smart move from the standpoint of package management, but from the
> point of view of a developer...
>
> Armando
>

You do realize that python 2 is not being taken away, right?

From medeiros.hilton at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 11:26:07 2010
From: medeiros.hilton at gmail.com (Hilton Medeiros)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:26:07 -0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:58:42 -0400
Max Countryman <maxc at me.com> wrote:

> That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that
> python3 will not become python. 
> 
> Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of
> four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no
> indication that the python3 binary is intended to become the python
> binary.
> 
> The link I posted earlier to the thread on the Python mailing list
> seems to indicate the opposite. 

A 'python' binary doesn't and won't ever exist, it is only a
symlink, Max.

From maxc at me.com  Wed Oct 20 11:45:05 2010
From: maxc at me.com (maxc)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:45:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <20101020132607.05006c4d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>

There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html

Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective versions of Python.

'Perhaps we should only install "python3.0" and not "python".'?

We're not here to discussion semantics ofc. :) There is a much broader concern which I hope we can address through friendly discourse.

On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Hilton Medeiros <medeiros.hilton at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:58:42 -0400
> Max Countryman <maxc at me.com> wrote:
>
> > That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that
> > python3 will not become python.
> >
> > Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of
> > four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no
> > indication that the python3 binary is intended to become the python
> > binary.
> >
> > The link I posted earlier to the thread on the Python mailing list
> > seems to indicate the opposite.
>
> A 'python' binary doesn't and won't ever exist, it is only a
> symlink, Max.

From darose at darose.net  Wed Oct 20 11:45:23 2010
From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:45:23 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Odd message on boot
Message-ID: <4CBF0E93.3070608@darose.net>

Been seeing a strange message recently on boot.  Seems to have only 
appeared in the last few weeks.

'Unknown group "netdev" in message bus configuration file'

Anyone know what's causing it and/or how to get rid of it?

Thanks,

DR

From pyther at pyther.net  Wed Oct 20 12:02:27 2010
From: pyther at pyther.net (Matthew Gyurgyik)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:02:27 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
References: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
Message-ID: <4CBF1293.60107@pyther.net>

  On 10/20/2010 11:45 AM, maxc wrote:
> There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html
>
> Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and 
> /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective versions of Python.
>
> 'Perhaps we should only install "python3.0" and not "python".'?
>
> We're not here to discussion semantics ofc. :) There is a much broader 
> concern which I hope we can address through friendly discourse.
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Hilton Medeiros 
> <medeiros.hilton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:58:42 -0400
>> Max Countryman <maxc at me.com> wrote:
>>
>> > That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that
>> > python3 will not become python.
>> >
>> > Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of
>> > four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no
>> > indication that the python3 binary is intended to become the python
>> > binary.
>> >
>> > The link I posted earlier to the thread on the Python mailing list
>> > seems to indicate the opposite.
>>
>> A 'python' binary doesn't and won't ever exist, it is only a
>> symlink, Max.
Since you have seemed to miss my previous post. I'll post again!

Really please, please don't top post. 
http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/

From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 12:17:26 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:17:26 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <4CBF1293.60107@pyther.net>
References: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
	<4CBF1293.60107@pyther.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2stXf_NcBFEDRvz0pAtWXK2Urig39UeGxicTC@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Matthew Gyurgyik <pyther at pyther.net> wrote:
> ?On 10/20/2010 11:45 AM, maxc wrote:
>>
>> There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton:
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html
>>
>> Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and
>> /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective versions of Python.
>>
>> 'Perhaps we should only install "python3.0" and not "python".'?
>>
>> We're not here to discussion semantics ofc. :) There is a much broader
>> concern which I hope we can address through friendly discourse.
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Hilton Medeiros <medeiros.hilton at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:58:42 -0400
>>> Max Countryman <maxc at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that
>>> > python3 will not become python.
>>> >
>>> > Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of
>>> > four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no
>>> > indication that the python3 binary is intended to become the python
>>> > binary.
>>> >
>>> > The link I posted earlier to the thread on the Python mailing list
>>> > seems to indicate the opposite.
>>>
>>> A 'python' binary doesn't and won't ever exist, it is only a
>>> symlink, Max.
>
> Since you have seemed to miss my previous post. I'll post again!
>
> Really please, please don't top post.
> http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/

Fucking hell! Can we stop with this constant nagging on the list? It
doesn't help (as you can see), you waste 1926 people's time with the
message (yes, this list has this many subscribers, and it is soon to
be one less), and it just doesn't need to be said. I'm sure you made
it through the message content just fine, even with the top post.

Things that piss list subscribers (or at least me) off:
* Bitching about top posting
* Repeated posts containing no new information
* More than two emails without either party doing anything except
having a public argument
* Not understanding the subject of an email and still responding
(several emails in this thread have done so...)
* Changing the topic without changing the subject
* Voting on something that is not a vote

So you don't piss other subscribers off, if you want to bitch at/about
me, please do it off-list.

Getting off my soapbox now,

-Dan (the Arch Developer)

From lists at baums-on-web.de  Wed Oct 20 12:28:39 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:28:39 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <4CBF1293.60107@pyther.net>
References: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
	<4CBF1293.60107@pyther.net>
Message-ID: <20101020182839.7b9745d5@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:02:27 -0400
schrieb Matthew Gyurgyik <pyther at pyther.net>:

> Really please, please don't top post. 
> http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/

And, really please, only quote the relevant parts to which the answer
refers.

Heiko

From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Wed Oct 20 12:38:09 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (Fess)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:38:09 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2stXf_NcBFEDRvz0pAtWXK2Urig39UeGxicTC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
	<4CBF1293.60107@pyther.net>
	<AANLkTik2stXf_NcBFEDRvz0pAtWXK2Urig39UeGxicTC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101020163809.GA10216@laptop>

On 11:17 Wed 20 Oct , Dan McGee wrote:
> Fucking hell! Can we stop with this constant nagging on the list? It
> doesn't help (as you can see), you waste 1926 people's time with the
> message (yes, this list has this many subscribers, and it is soon to
> be one less), and it just doesn't need to be said. I'm sure you made
> it through the message content just fine, even with the top post.
> 
> Things that piss list subscribers (or at least me) off:
> * Bitching about top posting
> * Repeated posts containing no new information
> * More than two emails without either party doing anything except
> having a public argument
> * Not understanding the subject of an email and still responding
> (several emails in this thread have done so...)
> * Changing the topic without changing the subject
> * Voting on something that is not a vote
> 
> So you don't piss other subscribers off, if you want to bitch at/about
> me, please do it off-list.
> 
> Getting off my soapbox now,
> 
> -Dan (the Arch Developer)

For the fucking sake! If you have not enough brains for choosing right place for quotes - DO NOT FUCKING TYPE MESSAGES.
-- 


From joschi.papsch at yahoo.de  Wed Oct 20 13:08:29 2010
From: joschi.papsch at yahoo.de (Aljosha Papsch)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:08:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [arch-general] Odd message on boot
Message-ID: <157910.87009.qm@web28302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

It means, D-BUS (or any message bus) is missing a group specified in its configuration file. A solution might be to just create the group.



From anthony at extof.me  Wed Oct 20 13:10:03 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:10:03 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
References: <20101020132607.05006c4d@gmail.com>
	<7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=9pwJt5KqE8bT5TprJpANago-ur=P4+vuc6Uun@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM, maxc <maxc at me.com> wrote:
>
> There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html
>
> Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and
> /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective versions of Python.
>
> 'Perhaps we should only install "python3.0" and not "python".'?
>
> We're not here to discussion semantics ofc. :) There is a much broader
> concern which I hope we can address through friendly discourse.

I think you're agreeing with Arch's decision, but it's not clear to
me, so disregard some of the following if that's the case :-)

the link provided clearly demonstrates the symlink/ambiguity of the
`python` name.  I think he just means maybe they shouldn't
create/include the symlink by default.

so, my last attempt to reason with this circular discussion... :-)

ultimately, py3k is here, and is the path forward, regardless of how
long python2.x will be around (many years i'm certain, it works just
fine [maybe some yummy pypy to come too]).  They are both available
simultaneously, and will be for a very long time.  however, if you use
the bare `python` name, expect to adapt/detect the version/etc at
runtime, because you are leaving the environment up to the system.
factor out the various compatibility bits, so they can be selectively
imported based on the version, thus avoiding syntax errors, etc.

the point is that it really, really, really... doesn't matter what
`python` is symlinked to.  developers need to have the competence to
instruct the system appropriately, and construct the environment they
need to function properly.  if you rely on a particular behavior from
a moving target, then your app is already broken.

C Anthony

From darose at darose.net  Wed Oct 20 13:26:26 2010
From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:26:26 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Odd message on boot
In-Reply-To: <157910.87009.qm@web28302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <157910.87009.qm@web28302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CBF2642.4030201@darose.net>

On 10/20/2010 01:08 PM, Aljosha Papsch wrote:
> It means, D-BUS (or any message bus) is missing a group specified in its configuration file. A solution might be to just create the group.

No, I'm not going to go and blindly create the group.  I want to 
understand what in my configuration is expecting that group, as it's 
entirely possible (and maybe even likely) that my configuration is wrong 
and that the right course of action would be correcting the config.

So, it's helpful to know that one of the message buses is the source of 
the issue.  Do you know if there's any way to narrow it down more than 
that?  i.e., find out which config file is causing this?

Thanks,

DR

From archlinux at cryptocrack.de  Wed Oct 20 13:57:27 2010
From: archlinux at cryptocrack.de (Lukas Fleischer)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:57:27 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Odd message on boot
In-Reply-To: <4CBF2642.4030201@darose.net>
References: <157910.87009.qm@web28302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4CBF2642.4030201@darose.net>
Message-ID: <20101020175727.GA3894@blizzard>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 01:26:26PM -0400, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
> So, it's helpful to know that one of the message buses is the source
> of the issue.  Do you know if there's any way to narrow it down more
> than that?  i.e., find out which config file is causing this?

It's caused by the avahi-daemon, check [1]. And if you're not sure which
configuration file contains a reference to this group, you can always do
something like `grep -R 'netdev' /etc/` to find out.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385495

From solstice.dhiver at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:00:03 2010
From: solstice.dhiver at gmail.com (solsTiCe d'Hiver)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:00:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] python3 update
In-Reply-To: <4CBDCD38.5010902@archivel.fr>
References: <20101019145014.GA28660@laptop>  <4CBDCD38.5010902@archivel.fr>
Message-ID: <1287597603.22762.1.camel@soho.example.org>

Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 ? 18:54 +0200, Cl?ment D?moulins a ?crit :
> 
> And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2.
> 
also I guess something like python>2.6.5 should become python2>2.6.5
which does not make any sense since python2 in archlinux is >= 2.7
and then could be shortened into python2 , no ?


From maxc at me.com  Wed Oct 20 14:05:01 2010
From: maxc at me.com (maxc)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:05:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=9pwJt5KqE8bT5TprJpANago-ur=P4+vuc6Uun@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72d4a610-8b48-69d8-b7b2-ecec0232b8ac@me.com>



On Oct 20, 2010, at 01:10 PM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony at extof.me> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM, maxc <maxc at me.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton:
> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html
> >
> > Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and
> > /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective versions of Python.
> >
> > 'Perhaps we should only install "python3.0" and not "python".'?
> >
> > We're not here to discussion semantics ofc. :) There is a much broader
> > concern which I hope we can address through friendly discourse.
>
> I think you're agreeing with Arch's decision, but it's not clear to
> me, so disregard some of the following if that's the case :-)
>
> the link provided clearly demonstrates the symlink/ambiguity of the
> `python` name. I think he just means maybe they shouldn't
> create/include the symlink by default.
>
> so, my last attempt to reason with this circular discussion... :-)
>
> ultimately, py3k is here, and is the path forward, regardless of how
> long python2.x will be around (many years i'm certain, it works just
> fine [maybe some yummy pypy to come too]). They are both available
> simultaneously, and will be for a very long time. however, if you use
> the bare `python` name, expect to adapt/detect the version/etc at
> runtime, because you are leaving the environment up to the system.
> factor out the various compatibility bits, so they can be selectively
> imported based on the version, thus avoiding syntax errors, etc.
>
> the point is that it really, really, really... doesn't matter what
> `python` is symlinked to. developers need to have the competence to
> instruct the system appropriately, and construct the environment they
> need to function properly. if you rely on a particular behavior from
> a moving target, then your app is already broken
>
> C Anthony
 

Yes, I do support the decision. :)

My final concern has been the convention of how Python is linked.

I agree, devs can't rely on that. But is there anything to be gained by going against what the Python devs are suggesting? Couldn't we have python and python3 and still be bleeding edge? (Assuming that what I've suggested is still how Guido and others feel, that may have since changed.)

Lastly, your reply is refreshing! Thank you so much, I really appreciate being able to discuss things like this. :)?

From cantabile.desu at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:13:28 2010
From: cantabile.desu at gmail.com (cantabile)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:13:28 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] python3 update
In-Reply-To: <1287597603.22762.1.camel@soho.example.org>
References: <20101019145014.GA28660@laptop> <4CBDCD38.5010902@archivel.fr>
	<1287597603.22762.1.camel@soho.example.org>
Message-ID: <4CBF3148.2040401@gmail.com>

Le 20/10/2010 21:00, solsTiCe d'Hiver a ?crit :
> Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 ? 18:54 +0200, Cl?ment D?moulins a ?crit :
>>
>> And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2.
>>
> also I guess something like python>2.6.5 should become python2>2.6.5
> which does not make any sense since python2 in archlinux is>= 2.7
> and then could be shortened into python2 , no ?
>

Actually the last 2.6 version we had in extra provided 'python2', so you 
could still end up with a python2 dependency satisfied by 2.6.x on an 
outdated system :)

From foutrelis at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:43:14 2010
From: foutrelis at gmail.com (Evangelos Foutras)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:43:14 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild
In-Reply-To: <4CBD255C.60901@archlinux.org>
References: <4CBD255C.60901@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwdq1_xy1YLnzczgMx-aqUdDhhEP2vLzM_B78D@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Time to move on to the next rebuild! ?This time it is for db-5.1.
>
> There are the following soname changes:
> ?libdb-4.8.so -> libdb-5.1.so
> ?libdb-4.so -> libdb-5.so
> ?libdb_cxx-4.8.so -> libdb_cxx-5.1.so
> ?libdb_cxx-4.so -> libdb_cxx-5.so
>
> It is a relatively small rebuild of 39 packages.
>
> I never got around to the db-5.0 update but that is a good thing as many
> pieces of software check for a db major version >= 4 and minor version >= 1
> when they just want db>=4.1... ?Now we have db-5.1 we do not have to fix
> that stupidness. ? As always, more evidence that laziness pays off.
>
> I have pushed the db update to [staging] and will work on the rest of [core]
> later tonight (unless someone beats me to it...)
>
> Allan

What do we do for stuff like PHP which will get linked to PostgreSQL
9.0.1 which is in [testing] right now? Or will PostgreSQL be moved out
of [testing] at the same time as the db rebuilds?

From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:52:14 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:52:14 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinwdq1_xy1YLnzczgMx-aqUdDhhEP2vLzM_B78D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CBD255C.60901@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTinwdq1_xy1YLnzczgMx-aqUdDhhEP2vLzM_B78D@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinAn0JFeYDGgN3opmdsanS78KxOE7FyhorUbPKS@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Evangelos Foutras <foutrelis at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Time to move on to the next rebuild! ?This time it is for db-5.1.
>>
>> There are the following soname changes:
>> ?libdb-4.8.so -> libdb-5.1.so
>> ?libdb-4.so -> libdb-5.so
>> ?libdb_cxx-4.8.so -> libdb_cxx-5.1.so
>> ?libdb_cxx-4.so -> libdb_cxx-5.so
>>
>> It is a relatively small rebuild of 39 packages.
>>
>> I never got around to the db-5.0 update but that is a good thing as many
>> pieces of software check for a db major version >= 4 and minor version >= 1
>> when they just want db>=4.1... ?Now we have db-5.1 we do not have to fix
>> that stupidness. ? As always, more evidence that laziness pays off.
>>
>> I have pushed the db update to [staging] and will work on the rest of [core]
>> later tonight (unless someone beats me to it...)
>>
>> Allan
>
> What do we do for stuff like PHP which will get linked to PostgreSQL
> 9.0.1 which is in [testing] right now? Or will PostgreSQL be moved out
> of [testing] at the same time as the db rebuilds?

There was no .so bump, so it shouldn't matter.

-Dan

From foutrelis at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:54:39 2010
From: foutrelis at gmail.com (Evangelos Foutras)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:54:39 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinAn0JFeYDGgN3opmdsanS78KxOE7FyhorUbPKS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CBD255C.60901@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTinwdq1_xy1YLnzczgMx-aqUdDhhEP2vLzM_B78D@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinAn0JFeYDGgN3opmdsanS78KxOE7FyhorUbPKS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRKKRNOXGsouvnoa+iwhjy3hJFynTZ4eeDjLcg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Evangelos Foutras <foutrelis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What do we do for stuff like PHP which will get linked to PostgreSQL
>> 9.0.1 which is in [testing] right now? Or will PostgreSQL be moved out
>> of [testing] at the same time as the db rebuilds?
>
> There was no .so bump, so it shouldn't matter.

Oh, awesome. Sorry for the noise. :)

From fons at kokkinizita.net  Wed Oct 20 16:00:59 2010
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:00:59 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=9pwJt5KqE8bT5TprJpANago-ur=P4+vuc6Uun@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101020132607.05006c4d@gmail.com>
	<7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
	<AANLkTi=9pwJt5KqE8bT5TprJpANago-ur=P4+vuc6Uun@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101020200059.GC4092@zita2>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:10:03PM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote:

> the point is that it really, really, really... doesn't matter what
> `python` is symlinked to.  developers need to have the competence to
> instruct the system appropriately, and construct the environment they
> need to function properly.  if you rely on a particular behavior from
> a moving target, then your app is already broken.

Problem is that some packages for the time being *have* to be Python 2,
most notably anything numpy or related to it. Adapting numpy to P3 is
not just a matter of changing some details. Up to now numpy has had its
own multidimensional array classes. The new buffer interface in P3 is
superior to these, so numpy should (and probably will) migrate to this.
But this is not a simple operation, it involves a lot more than the 
normal P2 or P3 transition supported by the existing tools.

At the same time other packages (from Arch) expect python to link to
python3. Things would be *much* easier if *all* would refer explicitly
to either 2 or 3, instead of assuming some default. In that sense the
Arch decision seems unfortunate.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

There are three of them, and Alleline.


From anthony at extof.me  Wed Oct 20 17:01:15 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:01:15 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <20101020200059.GC4092@zita2>
References: <20101020132607.05006c4d@gmail.com>
	<7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
	<AANLkTi=9pwJt5KqE8bT5TprJpANago-ur=P4+vuc6Uun@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101020200059.GC4092@zita2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikn8fFctvN3ub30K0y=f6yBcOxn=czgXNhF0UcT@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:00 PM,  <fons at kokkinizita.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:10:03PM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>
>> the point is that it really, really, really... doesn't matter what
>> `python` is symlinked to. ?developers need to have the competence to
>> instruct the system appropriately, and construct the environment they
>> need to function properly. ?if you rely on a particular behavior from
>> a moving target, then your app is already broken.
>
> Problem is that some packages for the time being *have* to be Python 2,
> most notably anything numpy or related to it. Adapting numpy to P3 is
> not just a matter of changing some details. Up to now numpy has had its
> own multidimensional array classes. The new buffer interface in P3 is
> superior to these, so numpy should (and probably will) migrate to this.
> But this is not a simple operation, it involves a lot more than the
> normal P2 or P3 transition supported by the existing tools.

slightly nit picky :-), but numpy supports py3k AFAIK.  i am also on
the vpython (visual) list, and they were talking about how vpython now
works on py3k because numpy supports py3k.

wikipedia/official site seems to confirm this as well.

and alas, if a package *must* be python2, it should enforce this
itself by blowing up :-).  it mainly needs to make it easy to manually
run under python2.x... this is actually all i had to do to fix pyjamas
(python -> javascript translator); pyjamas was spawning subprocesses
during the translation phase, but it was simply calling `python`
(assumption)... sooo, all i had to do was make it check sys.executable
for a valid entry, and use that instead, thus passing on the current
interpreter (python2/whatever), instead of inadvertently running py3k.

> At the same time other packages (from Arch) expect python to link to
> python3. Things would be *much* easier if *all* would refer explicitly
> to either 2 or 3, instead of assuming some default. In that sense the
> Arch decision seems unfortunate.

and therein lies the problem: expectation is the root of all disappointment.

really though, i agree with you 100%; this is why i previously said i
hope the python2/python3 naming becomes defacto, so apps that *must*
use the 2.x series can reasonably do so, cross-distro, simply by
invoking `python2`.

as for `python`... i just don't see any reason why it shouldn't link
to the latest release; 'to not break unprepared apps that have known
about this transition for years' just isn't a good enough reason in my
opinion.

C Anthony

From mithrandiragain at lavabit.com  Wed Oct 20 17:08:56 2010
From: mithrandiragain at lavabit.com (Mithrandir)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:08:56 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <20101020115241.6b6e8ddd@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <i9nlp9$j3j$1@dough.gmane.org>

On 10/20/2010 06:52 AM, Hilton Medeiros wrote:
>
> HackerNews, Slashdot, ...:
> - Someone post an announcement with 10 lines;
> - They read it (or not) and think that that is all the information
>    behind the story;
> - They furiously start typing the first thing that pops in their mind;

Often preceded by tl;dr.

> - By the time you (Mithrandir, in this case) posted a more in-depth
>    post, the majority had already run to the next news.
>
> Also, the... bitching there is completely nonsense. I can't believe
> they know Linux or even python well enough judging by what they say
> about developing _difficulties_ because of this move.
>

Amen to that. It's almost worse than comp.os.linux.advocacy, which gets 
mostly spam from Wintrolls and Mac fanboys. Very few GNU/Linux users try 
and take them on there (and with good reason.)

Only reason I go there (HackerNews, Slashdot) is to read what's new in 
the news, and make a comment or two. Arguing with them does diddly-squat. :(


> AFAIK, with python is easy as hell to build a local/virtual environment
> for any python version... I don't get it. Anyway, nothing to see there
> for this post, sadly.

Well, *some* programs that worked with Python 2, don't work very well/at 
all with Python 3. But yeah, it's not usually too difficult to fix it.

Regards.


From allan at archlinux.org  Wed Oct 20 20:01:03 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:01:03 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
References: <7806492c-ef1b-4cc1-c993-d895178adb43@me.com>
Message-ID: <4CBF82BF.9040509@archlinux.org>

On 21/10/10 01:45, maxc wrote:
> There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html

That was in February 2008...  Back when we were using python-2.5 because 
neither python-2.6 or python-3.0 had been released.  So I doubt even 
Guido really cares what he thought then.  Things have changed.

Anyway, the point of this discussion is...  well, there isn't one.

The only way the python symlinks are going to change from what we 
currently have is if a person who wants them changes:
  - becomes active in the community
  - is elected as a TU
  - gets brought on as a developer
  - convinces me they are competent enough to take over python maintenance
  - makes the change
At which point we all go "WTF? Those symlinks have been like that for 
two years." and revoke developer privileges as they are a crazy person 
and should not be trusted with our packages.

Case closed.


Now a good use of time would be to help resolve any remaining issues 
with this transition.  Make sure bug reports are made for packages from 
our repos that are having issues and post fixes.  Help people on the AUR 
update their packages for the change.  Report upstream any packages that 
keep a shebang pointing to python when the software was configured with 
python2 or if their software can not be configured to use a specific 
version of python.  Update the python page on the wiki.

Allan

From r7h0re4 at att.net  Wed Oct 20 16:47:54 2010
From: r7h0re4 at att.net (Rthoreau)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:47:54 +0000
Subject: [arch-general] Spell Checking in Emacs
References: <20100914123949.GC5959@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<i6o7jb$hp5$1@dough.gmane.org>
	<20100914165022.GA19963@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<20100915180056.GA10667@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<86eict6z93.fsf@chateau.d.if>
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wahjava.ml at gmail.com (Ashish SHUKLA) writes:

> Steve Holmes writes:
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 05:02:24AM +0530, Ashish SHUKLA wrote:
>>> Steve Holmes writes:
>>> > Do I have to set up anything in advance in order to use ispell in
>>> > emacs with the aspell program? See the message below for the full
>>> > story.  I can't get past this read-only problem.
>>> 
>>> (setq ispell-program-name (executable-find "aspell"))
>
>> That fixed it! It seems that the documentation I followed, suggested a
>> different setting to specify the aspell binary but this setting you
>> gave me enables it to work properly now.  Thanks and sorry for the repeated
>> queries to the list; I thought there might have been a problem with
>> how it was implemented with Arch.
>
>> So Now i'm off to write those perfectly spelled e-mails. <smile>
>
> Use flyspell to make it comfortable :).

As some people know using flyspell with some modes are not fully
supported.  I know that flyspell with enriched mode used to give people
problems but I believe that has been fixed.

What would be ideal is to get Hunspell working if you follow the
emacswiki I still do not have a valid Hunspell working on two operating
systems.  One being Arch, the other OpenIndiana so I had to resort back
to aspell for both.

A little while ago I was thinking about filing a bug report against
emacs and Hunspell for that very reason but haven't had the time to do
so.

Rthoreau


From auguste at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 07:38:49 2010
From: auguste at gmail.com (Auguste Pop)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:38:49 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
Message-ID: <AANLkTim+8_A7v-d+aeG_SpDwq2t2b_HRcKgWAJPXbCd+@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

The package djvulibre now conflicts and provides libdjvu, and libdjvu
disappeared from the repository.

However, judging by the files they provide and the PKGBUILD cached in
my abs directory, I don't think they are the same thing. djvulibre
does not provide the dynamic linked library as libdjvu does and thus
may break other application depending on libdjvu. For instance,
/usr/lib/evince/3/backends/libdjvudocument.so from evince package
links to /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21, which would be removed if I
update the system to allow djvulibre to replace libdjvu.

What's happened to the libdjvu package? Why is it removed from
repository? Should I file a bug report?

Best Regards,

From thomas at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 07:43:43 2010
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:43:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim+8_A7v-d+aeG_SpDwq2t2b_HRcKgWAJPXbCd+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim+8_A7v-d+aeG_SpDwq2t2b_HRcKgWAJPXbCd+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC0276F.9050906@archlinux.org>

Am 21.10.2010 13:38, schrieb Auguste Pop:
> For instance,
> /usr/lib/evince/3/backends/libdjvudocument.so from evince package
> links to /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21, which would be removed if I
> update the system to allow djvulibre to replace libdjvu.

This is false, the djvulibre package contains this library.

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From ibiru at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 07:44:46 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:44:46 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim+8_A7v-d+aeG_SpDwq2t2b_HRcKgWAJPXbCd+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim+8_A7v-d+aeG_SpDwq2t2b_HRcKgWAJPXbCd+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC027AE.3080908@archlinux.org>

On 10/21/2010 02:38 PM, Auguste Pop wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The package djvulibre now conflicts and provides libdjvu, and libdjvu
> disappeared from the repository.
>
> However, judging by the files they provide and the PKGBUILD cached in
> my abs directory, I don't think they are the same thing. djvulibre
> does not provide the dynamic linked library as libdjvu does and thus
> may break other application depending on libdjvu. For instance,
> /usr/lib/evince/3/backends/libdjvudocument.so from evince package
> links to /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21, which would be removed if I
> update the system to allow djvulibre to replace libdjvu.
>
> What's happened to the libdjvu package? Why is it removed from
> repository? Should I file a bug report?
>
> Best Regards,

that is replacing libdjvu and nothing that you say above is true.

pacman -Ql djvulibre | grep libdjvulibre.so
djvulibre /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so
djvulibre /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21
djvulibre /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21.2.0

this means that /usr/lib/evince/3/backends/libdjvudocument.so is not 
broken because djvulibre provides the same soname

-- 
Ionu?

From allan at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 07:47:19 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:47:19 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim+8_A7v-d+aeG_SpDwq2t2b_HRcKgWAJPXbCd+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim+8_A7v-d+aeG_SpDwq2t2b_HRcKgWAJPXbCd+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC02847.1000704@archlinux.org>

On 21/10/10 21:38, Auguste Pop wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The package djvulibre now conflicts and provides libdjvu, and libdjvu
> disappeared from the repository.
>
> However, judging by the files they provide and the PKGBUILD cached in
> my abs directory, I don't think they are the same thing. djvulibre
> does not provide the dynamic linked library as libdjvu does and thus
> may break other application depending on libdjvu. For instance,
> /usr/lib/evince/3/backends/libdjvudocument.so from evince package
> links to /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21, which would be removed if I
> update the system to allow djvulibre to replace libdjvu.
>
> What's happened to the libdjvu package? Why is it removed from
> repository? Should I file a bug report?

The new package looks to contain that library to me...

[allan at gerolde ~]$ tar -tf 
/srv/ftp/extra/os/i686/djvulibre-3.5.23-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz | grep usr/lib
usr/lib/
usr/lib/pkgconfig/
usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21.2.0
usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so
usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21
usr/lib/pkgconfig/ddjvuapi.pc


From robert at narnia.homeunix.com  Wed Oct 20 00:23:31 2010
From: robert at narnia.homeunix.com (Dr.  Robert Marmorstein)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:23:31 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <939F9B24-DE09-406F-9337-FD21F6D68496@me.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
	<939F9B24-DE09-406F-9337-FD21F6D68496@me.com>
Message-ID: <201010211243.o9LChSKr015006@sdf.lonestar.org>

Just a little story that is relevant to this discussion....

I ran into a problem with python and proprietary software earlier today, but 
was able (through much tribulaton) to work around it.  Even after most open-
source code is using python 3, a lot of proprietary stuff may still depend on 
python 2 and it won't be easy to switch it.  This is something we may want to 
consider before we retire python2 altogether.

I was setting up a new printer (an HP Laserjet p1120w) which works with hplip, 
but requires a proprietary plugin from HP's server.  The hp-toolbox and hp-
plugin utilities that are the interface finstalling the proprietary plugin are 
both written in python (with a lot of shell script mixed in for good measure).

The PKGBUILD for hplip seems to do the right thing in that it uses python2 to 
execute the hp-toolbox code.  But the plugin itself arrives as a self-
extracting executable that unpacks a python2 script which it executes using 
the system python (i.e. python3 on my system).  This caused the installer to 
crash, preventing me from installing the printer driver.

Furthermore, after an unsuccessful install, the archive deletes itself and any 
of the files that were in it.

Fortuately, I discovered that if you extract the plugin-archive by hand (you 
have to wget it first), it provides a compile flag that waits for user input 
after extraction, but before installation.  I was able to access the extracted 
plugin install script and replace "python" with "python2".  

I managed to get the printer installed and set up (and print my lecture notes 
just in time for class) without any further problems.  

On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:00:29 pm Max Countryman wrote:
> Apologies, link cut in original quote:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html
> 
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Max Countryman wrote:
> >> I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python team
> >> deciding at some point that they intended to keep the name "python"
> >> for the Python 2.X binaries perpetually, and require Python 3.X to be
> >> invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in making this change, and
> >> inconsistent with other Python distributions. EDIT: I can't find a
> >> conclusive decision but here is one discussion on the subject:
> >> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/0...
> > 
> > There is any interesting conversation taking place over at Hacker News:
> > http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1808840
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From ambaratti.listas at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 09:45:07 2010
From: ambaratti.listas at gmail.com (Armando M. Baratti)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:45:07 -0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
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Message-ID: <4CC043E3.7050107@gmail.com>

Em 20-10-2010 13:21, Daenyth Blank escreveu:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:16, Armando M. Baratti
> <ambaratti.listas at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Em 20-10-2010 05:24, Stefano Z. escreveu:
>>>
>>> anyone know if reportlab does work with python3 ?
>>>
>>
>> No, reportlab doesn't work with python3.
>> Neither Django, nor Twisted.
>>
>> As well the modules below are incompatible with python3 (to mention a few):
>> - PyGTK2
>> - Pyjamas
>> - Kiwi
>> - Beaker
>> - Cheetah
>> - CherryPy
>> - nose
>> - Paste
>> - numpy
>> - PyChecker
>> - pycrypto
>> - egenix utilities (used by many db connectors)
>> - psycopg
>> - couchdbkit
>> - Elixir
>> - MySQL-python
>> - PyMySQL
>> - PyDB2
>>
>> And many, many more.
>> It'll be a long time for many of these modules be converted (rewritten in
>> some cases) to python3.
>>
>> It was a smart move from the standpoint of package management, but from the
>> point of view of a developer...
>>
>> Armando
>>
>
> You do realize that python 2 is not being taken away, right?
>

Yes, off course I do. But I also realize that, besides Python isn't the 
easiest platform to deploy to, specially when your customers aren't tech 
savvy and have to make some adjustment or install some module, we end 
with incompatible platforms for development (Arch Linux, that uses 
python3 by default) and deployment (some other distro that uses python2).
This isn't the end of the world, by adds to the things that contribute 
for the appearing of problems on the deploying (specially on rather 
larger ones).


Armando

From frederic.perrin at resel.fr  Thu Oct 21 09:52:27 2010
From: frederic.perrin at resel.fr (=?utf-8?Q?Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric_Perrin?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:52:27 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Spell Checking in Emacs
In-Reply-To: <x6vd4wy4jp.fsf@att.net> (Rthoreau's message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2010
	20:47:54 +0000")
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Le mercredi 20 ? 22:47, Rthoreau a ?crit :
> What would be ideal is to get Hunspell working if you follow the
> emacswiki I still do not have a valid Hunspell working on two operating
> systems.  One being Arch, the other OpenIndiana so I had to resort back
> to aspell for both.

Is the problem that you are sharing you .emacs between the two OSs, but
Hunspell is available on only one? In that case, what about:

(if (string-match "-ARCH" operating-system-release)
     (use hunspell)
  (fallback to aspell))

Or:

(if (executable-find "hunspell")
     (use hunspell...)
  (fallback to aspell))

-- 
Fred

From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 09:54:31 2010
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:54:31 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <4CC043E3.7050107@gmail.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Armando M. Baratti <
ambaratti.listas at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Yes, off course I do. But I also realize that, besides Python isn't the
> easiest platform to deploy to, specially when your customers aren't tech
> savvy and have to make some adjustment or install some module, we end with
> incompatible platforms for development (Arch Linux, that uses python3 by
> default) and deployment (some other distro that uses python2).
> This isn't the end of the world, by adds to the things that contribute for
> the appearing of problems on the deploying (specially on rather larger
> ones).
>
>
> Armando
>


I'm not sure it's really a good idea to have a development platform
different from the production platform unless you deploy on heterogeneous
environments.

-- 
C?dric Girard

From auguste at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 09:56:32 2010
From: auguste at gmail.com (Auguste Pop)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:56:32 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2HyWY02xRSTDBc+V-UvDi2AqMfELCE1iHBxbq@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed this by compiling the package myself... When I sent this
mail, the web page was not updated and I saw an old list of files that
did not contain the .so file. I should have tried it first rather than
relying on a presumably delayed response on the web site. Sorry for
the false alarm.

> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:43:43 +0200
> From: Thomas B?chler <thomas at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> Message-ID: <4CC0276F.9050906 at archlinux.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
>
> Am 21.10.2010 13:38, schrieb Auguste Pop:
>> For instance,
>> /usr/lib/evince/3/backends/libdjvudocument.so from evince package
>> links to /usr/lib/libdjvulibre.so.21, which would be removed if I
>> update the system to allow djvulibre to replace libdjvu.
>
> This is false, the djvulibre package contains this library.
>
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From thomas at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 11:22:58 2010
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:22:58 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2HyWY02xRSTDBc+V-UvDi2AqMfELCE1iHBxbq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik2HyWY02xRSTDBc+V-UvDi2AqMfELCE1iHBxbq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC05AD2.9020100@archlinux.org>

Am 21.10.2010 15:56, schrieb Auguste Pop:
> I noticed this by compiling the package myself... When I sent this
> mail, the web page was not updated and I saw an old list of files that
> did not contain the .so file. I should have tried it first rather than
> relying on a presumably delayed response on the web site. Sorry for
> the false alarm.

The update of the file list in the web interface might be delayed
compared to the update of the package data itself.

Dan, what can we do here? Should a version mismatch between $repo.db and
$repo.files cause archweb to discard the file list, stating that "There
is currently no file list available for this package", or should archweb
print a warning "This is a file list from an older version of this
package and might differ from the current package". Is anything like
this already done in archweb? Should it?

Right now, the delay between updating the package info and the file list
can be (in the worst case) little over 24 hours. Given that our packages
update and change frequently, I think we should avoid confusion like in
Auguste's case.

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From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 11:29:33 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:29:33 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
In-Reply-To: <4CC05AD2.9020100@archlinux.org>
References: <AANLkTik2HyWY02xRSTDBc+V-UvDi2AqMfELCE1iHBxbq@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC05AD2.9020100@archlinux.org>
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Thomas B?chler <thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
> Am 21.10.2010 15:56, schrieb Auguste Pop:
>> I noticed this by compiling the package myself... When I sent this
>> mail, the web page was not updated and I saw an old list of files that
>> did not contain the .so file. I should have tried it first rather than
>> relying on a presumably delayed response on the web site. Sorry for
>> the false alarm.
>
> The update of the file list in the web interface might be delayed
> compared to the update of the package data itself.
>
> Dan, what can we do here? Should a version mismatch between $repo.db and
> $repo.files cause archweb to discard the file list, stating that "There
> is currently no file list available for this package", or should archweb
> print a warning "This is a file list from an older version of this
> package and might differ from the current package". Is anything like
> this already done in archweb? Should it?
>
> Right now, the delay between updating the package info and the file list
> can be (in the worst case) little over 24 hours. Given that our packages
> update and change frequently, I think we should avoid confusion like in
> Auguste's case.

It's actually updated every 12 hours, and this is an extreme case. We
shouldn't hide the filelist for all new packages when 90% of the time
the list doesn't change. We can put a "this might be out of date"
message there quite easily, I'll look into it sometime but a feature
request/bug report would be awesome so I don't lose track of it.

-Dan

From meganox at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 11:33:32 2010
From: meganox at gmail.com (meganox)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:33:32 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Method to redirect hidden config files in ~
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikG4i3LBwfFyuArMs3dG4PdQmW=nnBfqbnB=BMi@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony at extof.me>wrote:

> awhile back, i believe it was on this list, there was some messages
> about cleaning up the .<files> in your HOME folder...
>
> can someone point me in the right direction here?  i swear all i
> needed to do was export the proper VARS but i cannot seem to find the
> info now.
>
> thanks,
>
> C Anthony
>


You are thinking of the xdg user directories vars set in the file
~/.config/user-dirs.dirs:

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs

From thomas at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 11:40:22 2010
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:40:22 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] What's happening about libdjvu?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBhzT1h12hmf7j591dOjwetgVnFbWuRYdajeA0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik2HyWY02xRSTDBc+V-UvDi2AqMfELCE1iHBxbq@mail.gmail.com>	<4CC05AD2.9020100@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikBhzT1h12hmf7j591dOjwetgVnFbWuRYdajeA0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC05EE6.7080703@archlinux.org>

Am 21.10.2010 17:29, schrieb Dan McGee:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Thomas B?chler <thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
>> Right now, the delay between updating the package info and the file list
>> can be (in the worst case) little over 24 hours. Given that our packages
>> update and change frequently, I think we should avoid confusion like in
>> Auguste's case.
> 
> It's actually updated every 12 hours, and this is an extreme case. We
> shouldn't hide the filelist for all new packages when 90% of the time
> the list doesn't change. We can put a "this might be out of date"
> message there quite easily, I'll look into it sometime but a feature
> request/bug report would be awesome so I don't lose track of it.

Done.
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21394

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From r7h0re4 at att.net  Thu Oct 21 10:30:53 2010
From: r7h0re4 at att.net (Rthoreau)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:30:53 +0000
Subject: [arch-general] Spell Checking in Emacs
References: <20100914123949.GC5959@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<i6o7jb$hp5$1@dough.gmane.org>
	<20100914165022.GA19963@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<20100915180056.GA10667@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<86eict6z93.fsf@chateau.d.if>
	<20100917132319.GB21782@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<86ocbvj0cr.fsf@chateau.d.if> <x6vd4wy4jp.fsf@att.net>
	<87tykflkkk.fsf@resel.fr>
Message-ID: <x6r5fjy5wi.fsf@att.net>

Fr?d?ric Perrin <frederic.perrin at resel.fr> writes:

> Le mercredi 20 ? 22:47, Rthoreau a ?crit :
>> What would be ideal is to get Hunspell working if you follow the
>> emacswiki I still do not have a valid Hunspell working on two operating
>> systems.  One being Arch, the other OpenIndiana so I had to resort back
>> to aspell for both.
>
> Is the problem that you are sharing you .emacs between the two OSs, but
> Hunspell is available on only one? In that case, what about:
>
> (if (string-match "-ARCH" operating-system-release)
>      (use hunspell)
>   (fallback to aspell))
>
> Or:
>
> (if (executable-find "hunspell")
>      (use hunspell...)
>   (fallback to aspell))

Here is the link I was referring too, I actually have two spell checkers
one is Hunspell the other is Aspell. Hunspell works great on the command
line but is still borked in emacs.

Of course I get a similar problem in Arch, but with function unfound if
I copy the examples out of the emacswiki my .emacs file will not even
run due to errors, not to mention even if it is tweaked to my
configuration.

http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=107384

If you try to spell check a word by using "M-x ispell-word", you get the error message "ispell-get-word: Wrong type argument: stringp, nil". "M-x ispell-buffer" produces

Spell checking test-buffer using hunspell with en-US dictionary...
Spell-checking using hunspell with en-US dictionary done
ispell-get-line: Wrong type argument: stringp, nil

So if anyone has a valid .emacs hunspell under Arch let me know as of
yet I have no idea as to why Hunspell won't work.  That is why I use
Aspell at the moment.

Rthoreau


From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct 21 17:07:18 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:07:18 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
Message-ID: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca>

Hi folks,

I am running a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system, and I'm trying to
build a few packages from AUR inside the 32-bit chroot.  When I run
makepkg inside the chroot, it complains about dependencies not being
satisfied, even though the dependencies are installed inside the chroot
(and in the 64-bit environment, as well).  So I'm wondering why it
doesn't find the dependencies.  I'd love to get this to work and also
wouldn't mind helping with debugging this.  I just need a few pointers
what I would have to look for.

Cheers,
Norbert

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From anthony at extof.me  Thu Oct 21 17:13:14 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:13:14 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Method to redirect hidden config files in ~
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=fgaGyXfq4A0CM1j+v7UADPmpPkODZdNhu65gB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikG4i3LBwfFyuArMs3dG4PdQmW=nnBfqbnB=BMi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=fgaGyXfq4A0CM1j+v7UADPmpPkODZdNhu65gB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=H1OpRoTi9jztPcYuGY2tZDYxp7ibGRajwhGAL@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM, meganox <meganox at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony at extof.me>wrote:
>
>> awhile back, i believe it was on this list, there was some messages
>> about cleaning up the .<files> in your HOME folder...
>>
>> can someone point me in the right direction here? ?i swear all i
>> needed to do was export the proper VARS but i cannot seem to find the
>> info now.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> C Anthony
>>
>
> You are thinking of the xdg user directories vars set in the file
> ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs:
>
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs

nice, thanks guys.

i have yet to actually do this yet, but i'm pretty sure it's the
information i was looking for.

C Anthony

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 17:17:47 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:17:47 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
In-Reply-To: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <4CC0ADFB.7090101@archlinux.org>

On 10/22/2010 12:07 AM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I am running a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system, and I'm trying to
> build a few packages from AUR inside the 32-bit chroot.  When I run
> makepkg inside the chroot, it complains about dependencies not being
> satisfied, even though the dependencies are installed inside the chroot
> (and in the 64-bit environment, as well).  So I'm wondering why it
> doesn't find the dependencies.  I'd love to get this to work and also
> wouldn't mind helping with debugging this.  I just need a few pointers
> what I would have to look for.
>
> Cheers,
> Norbert
>

linux32 chroot /path/to/bla

i suggest to read about devtools, it has helpers for that, 
extra-i686-build, extra-x86_64-build

-- 
Ionu?

From andrea at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 17:29:49 2010
From: andrea at archlinux.org (Andrea Scarpino)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:29:49 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
In-Reply-To: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <201010212329.49531.andrea@archlinux.org>

On Thursday 21 October 2010 23:07:18 Norbert Zeh wrote:
> I am running a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system, and I'm trying to
> build a few packages from AUR inside the 32-bit chroot.  When I run
> makepkg inside the chroot, it complains about dependencies not being
> satisfied, even though the dependencies are installed inside the chroot
> (and in the 64-bit environment, as well).  So I'm wondering why it
> doesn't find the dependencies.  I'd love to get this to work and also
> wouldn't mind helping with debugging this.  I just need a few pointers
> what I would have to look for.
IMHO the best way is to use the same scripts that we developers use to build 
official packages. You should install the 'devtools' package and read something 
about makechrootpkg on the wiki.

-- 
Andrea Scarpino
Arch Linux Developer

From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct 21 17:57:47 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:57:47 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
In-Reply-To: <4CC0ADFB.7090101@archlinux.org>
References: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca> <4CC0ADFB.7090101@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20101021215746.GC19445@cs.dal.ca>

Ionu? B?ru [2010.10.22 0017 +0300]:
> On 10/22/2010 12:07 AM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> >Hi folks,
> >
> >I am running a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system, and I'm trying to
> >build a few packages from AUR inside the 32-bit chroot.  When I run
> >makepkg inside the chroot, it complains about dependencies not being
> >satisfied, even though the dependencies are installed inside the chroot
> >(and in the 64-bit environment, as well).  So I'm wondering why it
> >doesn't find the dependencies.  I'd love to get this to work and also
> >wouldn't mind helping with debugging this.  I just need a few pointers
> >what I would have to look for.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Norbert
> >
> 
> linux32 chroot /path/to/bla

This I did do, and it fails in the chroot, but I'll certainly follow the
pointers below and the one Andrea gave.  Thanks for the response.

N.

> 
> i suggest to read about devtools, it has helpers for that,
> extra-i686-build, extra-x86_64-build
> 
> -- 
> Ionu?


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From christian08 at runbox.com  Thu Oct 21 18:42:08 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:42:08 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
Message-ID: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>

Hi all,
I am learning and learning more in Arch linux, but I have a question.
There are a few programs that I use and I am not able to find all the 
dependencies in the Arch repositories, and some of th elibraries are a 
little old and the developers have .deb packages for them.
So my question is if I get a such package, may I just extract it, unpack 
the data.tar.gz and copy the libraries into /usr/lib?
For example, I now need to use pygame1.8 and there is 1.9 in the arch 
repository.
What do you think?
Many thanks,
Christian

From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct 21 18:46:55 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:46:55 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
In-Reply-To: <20101021215746.GC19445@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca> <4CC0ADFB.7090101@archlinux.org>
	<20101021215746.GC19445@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <20101021224655.GE19445@cs.dal.ca>

Norbert Zeh [2010.10.21 1857 -0300]:
> Ionu? B?ru [2010.10.22 0017 +0300]:
> > On 10/22/2010 12:07 AM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> > >Hi folks,
> > >
> > >I am running a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system, and I'm trying to
> > >build a few packages from AUR inside the 32-bit chroot.  When I run
> > >makepkg inside the chroot, it complains about dependencies not being
> > >satisfied, even though the dependencies are installed inside the chroot
> > >(and in the 64-bit environment, as well).  So I'm wondering why it
> > >doesn't find the dependencies.  I'd love to get this to work and also
> > >wouldn't mind helping with debugging this.  I just need a few pointers
> > >what I would have to look for.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Norbert
> > >
> > 
> > linux32 chroot /path/to/bla
> 
> This I did do, and it fails in the chroot, but I'll certainly follow the
> pointers below and the one Andrea gave.  Thanks for the response.

Before trying to go down the path of using a separate chroot just for
building packages from AUR (as suggested by the wiki references you and
Andrea gave), I dug a little deeper into where my problem came from.  It
turns out that pacman would find the installed packages if run inside
the chroot as root but not if run as an unprivileged users (such as the
one I normally use to build packages).  The culprit was too restrictive
restrictions on /var/lib/pacman and the files therein.  Changed the
permissions, and all worked beautifully by just running makepkg inside
the chroot.

Cheers,
Norbert

From foutrelis at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 19:02:19 2010
From: foutrelis at gmail.com (Evangelos Foutras)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:02:19 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
References: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ckxYwZzjc3ByNDTCsbBKBW0030Ey5Ucde83oA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> So my question is if I get a such package, may I just extract it, unpack the
> data.tar.gz and copy the libraries into /usr/lib?
> For example, I now need to use pygame1.8 and there is 1.9 in the arch
> repository.
> What do you think?

You really want to avoid having random untracked files lying around in
your system; you want to create packages with them so they are tracked
by pacman.

A good solution for your problem might be the following:

Grab an older revision of the PKGBUILD, change pkgname to something
like python-pygame-1.8 and build it. To find the revision you need to
fetch, consult the svn log [1]. In this case, for example, you'd want
r43882. To checkout that revision use:

svn co -r43882 svn://archlinux.org/packages/python-pygame/trunk
python-pygame-1.8

----
[1] http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/packages/python-pygame/trunk/?op=log&isdir=1&

From christian08 at runbox.com  Thu Oct 21 19:10:55 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:10:55 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ckxYwZzjc3ByNDTCsbBKBW0030Ey5Ucde83oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
	<AANLkTi=ckxYwZzjc3ByNDTCsbBKBW0030Ey5Ucde83oA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC0C87F.8010702@runbox.com>

Hello,
On 2010-10-22 01:02, Evangelos Foutras wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>  wrote:
>> So my question is if I get a such package, may I just extract it, unpack the
>> data.tar.gz and copy the libraries into /usr/lib?
>> For example, I now need to use pygame1.8 and there is 1.9 in the arch
>> repository.
>> What do you think?
> You really want to avoid having random untracked files lying around in
> your system; you want to create packages with them so they are tracked
> by pacman.
>
> A good solution for your problem might be the following:
>
> Grab an older revision of the PKGBUILD, change pkgname to something
> like python-pygame-1.8 and build it. To find the revision you need to
> fetch, consult the svn log [1]. In this case, for example, you'd want
> r43882. To checkout that revision use:
>
> svn co -r43882 svn://archlinux.org/packages/python-pygame/trunk
> python-pygame-1.8
>
> ----
> [1] http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/packages/python-pygame/trunk/?op=log&isdir=1&
> OK, but let's say I need some other older library how to search the svn for that?
Since I didn't know that it was the

r4388 release.



From foutrelis at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 19:20:44 2010
From: foutrelis at gmail.com (Evangelos Foutras)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:20:44 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <4CC0C87F.8010702@runbox.com>
References: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
	<AANLkTi=ckxYwZzjc3ByNDTCsbBKBW0030Ey5Ucde83oA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC0C87F.8010702@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbt_q1eBWkOSReytT7zciEBWz-G=tRwp-yyt5o@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> OK, but let's say I need some other older library how to search the svn
> for that?

Find the package you're interested in from
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/ and click on it. At the right side
of the package page, you'll see a link named "SVN Entries (trunk)";
follow it. Now that you're at the websvn interface, click the link
that reads "View Log".

You are presented with a table that lists the revisions of a specific
package. On the "Log message" column you'll be able to locate the
package version you want, and you can then match that to the first
column ("Rev") which is the revision number you'll checkout.

From christian08 at runbox.com  Thu Oct 21 19:26:37 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:26:37 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbt_q1eBWkOSReytT7zciEBWz-G=tRwp-yyt5o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
	<AANLkTi=ckxYwZzjc3ByNDTCsbBKBW0030Ey5Ucde83oA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC0C87F.8010702@runbox.com>
	<AANLkTinbt_q1eBWkOSReytT7zciEBWz-G=tRwp-yyt5o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010220126370859.00052E6A@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-22 at 02:20 Evangelos Foutras wrote:

>On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>> OK, but let's say I need some other older library how to search the svn
>> for that?
>
>Find the package you're interested in from
>http://www.archlinux.org/packages/ and click on it. At the right side
>of the package page, you'll see a link named "SVN Entries (trunk)";
>follow it. Now that you're at the websvn interface, click the link
>that reads "View Log".
>
>You are presented with a table that lists the revisions of a specific
>package. On the "Log message" column you'll be able to locate the
>package version you want, and you can then match that to the first
>column ("Rev") which is the revision number you'll checkout.

Many thanks, will have a look.
But lets say I can't find a particular library and I only have a .deb file with it, what to do then?
Christian


From allan at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 19:32:39 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:32:39 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
References: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <4CC0CD97.6040904@archlinux.org>

On 22/10/10 08:42, Christian wrote:
> For example, I now need to use pygame1.8 and there is 1.9 in the arch
> repository.

As an aside, most things that work with pygame-1.8 also work with 1.9...

Allan


From christian08 at runbox.com  Thu Oct 21 19:34:58 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:34:58 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <4CC0CD97.6040904@archlinux.org>
References: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com>
 <4CC0CD97.6040904@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <201010220134580750.000CD305@127.0.0.1>

Hi,


On 2010-10-22 at 09:32 Allan McRae wrote:

>On 22/10/10 08:42, Christian wrote:
>> For example, I now need to use pygame1.8 and there is 1.9 in the arch
>> repository.
>
>As an aside, most things that work with pygame-1.8 also work with 1.9...
>
>Allan
How is it with python2.5 then?



From archlinux at cryptocrack.de  Thu Oct 21 19:36:57 2010
From: archlinux at cryptocrack.de (Lukas Fleischer)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:36:57 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <201010220126370859.00052E6A@127.0.0.1>
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 01:26:37AM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Many thanks, will have a look.
> But lets say I can't find a particular library and I only have a .deb file with it, what to do then?

You can write a PKGBUILD that automates the process of unpacking the
".deb" package and installing the libraries into "/usr/lib/". If you
build and install a package (e.g. using `makepkg -i`) instead of copying
them manually, all libraries will be tracked by pacman(8).

If you never created a PKGBUILD before, you might wanna read something
about it in the wiki ([1], [2]). If you want an example how to do create
a package suitable for installation with pacman(8) from a dpkg, you can
check [1] (even tho this PKGBUILD isn't the best I've ever seen).

[1] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Creating_Packages
[2] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Packaging_Standards
[3] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=12819

From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct 21 20:12:40 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:12:40 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
In-Reply-To: <20101021224655.GE19445@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca> <4CC0ADFB.7090101@archlinux.org>
	<20101021215746.GC19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<20101021224655.GE19445@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <20101022001240.GF19445@cs.dal.ca>

Norbert Zeh [2010.10.21 1946 -0300]:
> Norbert Zeh [2010.10.21 1857 -0300]:
> > Ionu? B?ru [2010.10.22 0017 +0300]:
> > > On 10/22/2010 12:07 AM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> > > >Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > >I am running a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system, and I'm trying to
> > > >build a few packages from AUR inside the 32-bit chroot.  When I run
> > > >makepkg inside the chroot, it complains about dependencies not being
> > > >satisfied, even though the dependencies are installed inside the chroot
> > > >(and in the 64-bit environment, as well).  So I'm wondering why it
> > > >doesn't find the dependencies.  I'd love to get this to work and also
> > > >wouldn't mind helping with debugging this.  I just need a few pointers
> > > >what I would have to look for.
> > > >
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Norbert
> > > >
> > > 
> > > linux32 chroot /path/to/bla
> > 
> > This I did do, and it fails in the chroot, but I'll certainly follow the
> > pointers below and the one Andrea gave.  Thanks for the response.
> 
> Before trying to go down the path of using a separate chroot just for
> building packages from AUR (as suggested by the wiki references you and
> Andrea gave), I dug a little deeper into where my problem came from.  It
> turns out that pacman would find the installed packages if run inside
> the chroot as root but not if run as an unprivileged users (such as the
> one I normally use to build packages).  The culprit was too restrictive
> restrictions on /var/lib/pacman and the files therein.  Changed the
> permissions, and all worked beautifully by just running makepkg inside
> the chroot.

As a follow-up to this one, I'm wondering whether this is worth a bug
report on pacman.  After all, if pacman cannot access its DBPath,
shouldn't it issue an informative error message rather than silently
claiming that a package that's in fact installed is not?

N.

From allan at archlinux.org  Thu Oct 21 20:28:46 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:28:46 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
In-Reply-To: <20101022001240.GF19445@cs.dal.ca>
References: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<4CC0ADFB.7090101@archlinux.org>	<20101021215746.GC19445@cs.dal.ca>	<20101021224655.GE19445@cs.dal.ca>
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On 22/10/10 10:12, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> Norbert Zeh [2010.10.21 1946 -0300]:
>> Norbert Zeh [2010.10.21 1857 -0300]:
>>> Ionu? B?ru [2010.10.22 0017 +0300]:
>>>> On 10/22/2010 12:07 AM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit system, and I'm trying to
>>>>> build a few packages from AUR inside the 32-bit chroot.  When I run
>>>>> makepkg inside the chroot, it complains about dependencies not being
>>>>> satisfied, even though the dependencies are installed inside the chroot
>>>>> (and in the 64-bit environment, as well).  So I'm wondering why it
>>>>> doesn't find the dependencies.  I'd love to get this to work and also
>>>>> wouldn't mind helping with debugging this.  I just need a few pointers
>>>>> what I would have to look for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Norbert
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> linux32 chroot /path/to/bla
>>>
>>> This I did do, and it fails in the chroot, but I'll certainly follow the
>>> pointers below and the one Andrea gave.  Thanks for the response.
>>
>> Before trying to go down the path of using a separate chroot just for
>> building packages from AUR (as suggested by the wiki references you and
>> Andrea gave), I dug a little deeper into where my problem came from.  It
>> turns out that pacman would find the installed packages if run inside
>> the chroot as root but not if run as an unprivileged users (such as the
>> one I normally use to build packages).  The culprit was too restrictive
>> restrictions on /var/lib/pacman and the files therein.  Changed the
>> permissions, and all worked beautifully by just running makepkg inside
>> the chroot.
>
> As a follow-up to this one, I'm wondering whether this is worth a bug
> report on pacman.  After all, if pacman cannot access its DBPath,
> shouldn't it issue an informative error message rather than silently
> claiming that a package that's in fact installed is not?

makepkg uses pacman with the -T flag to test whether a package 
installed.  That is supposed to be dead quiet.  Of course if you used 
the --debug flag you would see the message you are after...

Allan


From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct 21 21:03:10 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:03:10 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not working in chrooted environment
In-Reply-To: <4CC0DABE.1030708@archlinux.org>
References: <20101021210718.GB19445@cs.dal.ca> <4CC0ADFB.7090101@archlinux.org>
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	<20101022001240.GF19445@cs.dal.ca> <4CC0DABE.1030708@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20101022010310.GG19445@cs.dal.ca>

Allan McRae [2010.10.22 1028 +1000]:
> makepkg uses pacman with the -T flag to test whether a package
> installed.  That is supposed to be dead quiet.  Of course if you
> used the --debug flag you would see the message you are after...

Fair enough.  In particular, I can see why printing an error message may
cause a mess, for example, in how makepkg uses pacman -T to list unmet
dependencies.  Nevertheless, if I'm a user (not a developer) who wonders
why pacman isn't doing the right thing, the copious output produced by
--debug isn't that helpful, especially because I have to infer from

"warning: pkgcache is NULL for db 'local'"

that pacman in fact cannot read the contents of /var/lib/pacman/local.
So, I still think that an informative error message such as

"warning: cannot access /var/lib/pacman/local"

would be immensely helpful from a user's perspective.  As I said, I see
why having such an error message produced by pacman -T is a bad idea,
but pacman -Qs, instead of outputting nothing, should produce a warning.

Cheers,
Norbert

From ijanos at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 08:26:11 2010
From: ijanos at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_Ill=E9s?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:26:11 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
Message-ID: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have an archlinux virtualbox guest on windows host. The clock of the
guest linux is randomly stuck in a few seconds loop, rendering the
system in a semi-freeze state. It looks like this:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/841166/archwtf/date2.png

It happens irregularly, sometimes not happens for days and sometimes
it does this 2-3 times a day.

Any ideas what went wrong or how to debug this properly? There is
nothing relevant in dmesg nor syslog.
Other linux guests don't do this, I also tried different vbox
versions, I do not really know what can cause this kind of an error.

I searched and could not find a bug like this in neither the vbox bug
tracker nor anything kernel related.

I'm open to every ideas, this bug is driving me crazy.

--
J?nos

From schnouki at schnouki.net  Fri Oct 22 08:54:57 2010
From: schnouki at schnouki.net (Thomas Jost)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:54:57 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>

Le 22/10/2010 14:26, J?nos Ill?s a ?crit :
> I have an archlinux virtualbox guest on windows host. The clock of the
> guest linux is randomly stuck in a few seconds loop, rendering the
> system in a semi-freeze state.

Hmm, I've never had this issue, but here are a few ideas:
- try to disable ntpd and/or ntpdate (which might be run by cron?) on
your guest
- try to disable time sync between host and client on the VBox host:
http://rickguyer.com/virtualbox-disable-time-sync-between-host-and-client/
- try to add "clock=pit" in your guest kernel boot line:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461/en-us/ (I think it's quite rare
to have a link to microsoft.com posted here :))

Hope this helps.

Regards,

-- 
Thomas/Schnouki

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From ijanos at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 10:20:11 2010
From: ijanos at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_Ill=E9s?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:20:11 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 14:54, Thomas Jost <schnouki at schnouki.net> wrote:
> Hmm, I've never had this issue, but here are a few ideas:

Great ideas, thank you!

I learned that the clock kernel parameter is deprecated, it is now
called clocksource. Still it is somehow gets ignored, and the kernel
uses acpi_pm instead.

  $ dmesg|grep clock
  Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 resume=/dev/sda2 rootdelay=1 ro
vga=787 clocksource=pit
  Measured 18368 cycles TSC warp between CPUs, turning off TSC clock.
  Switching to clocksource acpi_pm

Something is definitely going on here.

I also removed openntpd completely for now, and running the virtual
machine without it to see if it helps.

-- 
J?nos

From thomas at archlinux.org  Fri Oct 22 10:29:24 2010
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:29:24 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMgv6kM+D=w=5Yee6n_6ww-KUM8ug9xdyi1Gtx@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 22.10.2010 16:20, schrieb J?nos Ill?s:
> I learned that the clock kernel parameter is deprecated, it is now
> called clocksource. Still it is somehow gets ignored, and the kernel
> uses acpi_pm instead.
> 
>   $ dmesg|grep clock
>   Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 resume=/dev/sda2 rootdelay=1 ro
> vga=787 clocksource=pit
>   Measured 18368 cycles TSC warp between CPUs, turning off TSC clock.
>   Switching to clocksource acpi_pm

Look at this:

$ cd /sys/devices/system/clocksource
$ ls -F
clocksource0/
$ cd clocksource0/
$ ls -F
available_clocksource  current_clocksource
$ cat available_clocksource
tsc hpet acpi_pm
$ cat current_clocksource
hpet

Playing around here might help or give ideas. As far as I know, 'tsc' is
a bad choice for a clocksource (not sure why or if I am even correct),
but a good fallback when acpi_pm fails and hpet is unavailable.

Under KVM, I have a special KVM clocksource which synchronizes with the
host clock. Similarly on Xen.

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From ijanos at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 10:34:10 2010
From: ijanos at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_Ill=E9s?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:34:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 16:29, Thomas B?chler <thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
> Playing around here might help or give ideas.

Oh, thanks. It seems I only have acpi_pm. Is that normal?

  $ cat available_clocksource
  acpi_pm
  $ cat current_clocksource
  acpi_pm

-- 
J?nos

From contact at gaurishsharma.com  Fri Oct 22 13:20:57 2010
From: contact at gaurishsharma.com (Gaurish Sharma)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:50:57 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimnRdOzzV0RExR6QtsPhBUVadTdGAw-nb2RdKXk@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTikJYRwgRCDGjbcTeGyYCg=LytpPEjW4QOHA_NPz@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I don't agree that python 3 is ready for mass use yet. I think arch
made a premature switch.

Hence, I am not upgrading my system. I hope archlinux rollbacks python3 update.

Regards,
Gary

From uli.armbruster at googlemail.com  Fri Oct 22 14:03:41 2010
From: uli.armbruster at googlemail.com (Uli Armbruster)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:03:41 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikJYRwgRCDGjbcTeGyYCg=LytpPEjW4QOHA_NPz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
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	<4CC043E3.7050107@gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikJYRwgRCDGjbcTeGyYCg=LytpPEjW4QOHA_NPz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101022180341.GB1731@Archlinux>

That won't happen! And I hope you know that python2 isn't gone, it's still available. All the package maintainers have to do is change the sheband. Of course that needs a little bit of work, but that's really not the biggest deal! If there are AUR packages which haven't done these changes yet, please help the maintainers with a useful comment.

* Gaurish Sharma <contact at gaurishsharma.com> [22.10.2010 19:21]:
> Hi,
> I don't agree that python 3 is ready for mass use yet. I think arch
> made a premature switch.
> 
> Hence, I am not upgrading my system. I hope archlinux rollbacks python3 update.
> 
> Regards,
> Gary

From justin.caratzas at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 14:23:43 2010
From: justin.caratzas at gmail.com (justin caratzas)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:23:43 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <20101022180341.GB1731@Archlinux>
References: <AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
	<4CBE3C45.7070600@archlinux.org>
	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
	<939F9B24-DE09-406F-9337-FD21F6D68496@me.com>
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	<20101022180341.GB1731@Archlinux>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=vmFb4nY3EE6=ys9Qkpt_h9gsp8eatitzpL+6F@mail.gmail.com>

>
> * Gaurish Sharma <contact at gaurishsharma.com> [22.10.2010 19:21]:
> > Hi,
> > I don't agree that python 3 is ready for mass use yet. I think arch
> > made a premature switch.
> >
> > Hence, I am not upgrading my system. I hope archlinux rollbacks python3
> update.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gary
>

I just installed the python2 package and symlinked, its as if it never
happened.

justin

From ngoonee at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 18:54:08 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 06:54:08 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikJYRwgRCDGjbcTeGyYCg=LytpPEjW4QOHA_NPz@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1287788048.15582.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 22:50 +0530, Gaurish Sharma wrote:
> Hi,
> I don't agree that python 3 is ready for mass use yet. I think arch
> made a premature switch.
> 
> Hence, I am not upgrading my system. I hope archlinux rollbacks python3 update.
> 
> Regards,
> Gary

"Hey look, devs did something I didn't like"

*throws toys out of pram*

"That'll get them to change their minds"

Seriously, did you think the threat of 'not updating' would get you what
you want? And do you understand what actually was done? python2 is still
installed on your system and still totally accessible after the upgrade,
the ONLY change is that /usr/bin/python does not symlink to it.


From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 22 20:25:32 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:25:32 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSp6zO3_KegmZM2=MQMRzO0kJMNs-frzka7zGr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>	<AANLkTikMgv6kM+D=w=5Yee6n_6ww-KUM8ug9xdyi1Gtx@mail.gmail.com>	<4CC19FC4.7050200@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikSp6zO3_KegmZM2=MQMRzO0kJMNs-frzka7zGr@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/22/2010 09:34 AM, J?nos Ill?s wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 16:29, Thomas B?chler <thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
>> Playing around here might help or give ideas.
> 
> Oh, thanks. It seems I only have acpi_pm. Is that normal?
> 
>   $ cat available_clocksource
>   acpi_pm
>   $ cat current_clocksource
>   acpi_pm
> 

Is for me:

19:24 nirvana:/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0> cat
available_clocksource
acpi_pm
19:24 nirvana:/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0> cat current_clocksource
acpi_pm


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From pentie at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 07:31:50 2010
From: pentie at gmail.com (BOYPT)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:31:50 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] ath9k wifi hanged when network manager connect to
	the AP
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJH6e76-GHkGw3fOBSPojuOaNy575Kq-QfGzfS@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if this should report to the upstream kernel,  want to know any
of you have same experiances.

Since last kernel update,  when i boot my laptop to the desktop, the wifi
dead while network manager trying associate to the AP, can't build any
connection.

I check dmesg at once:

wlan0: authenticate with 00:25:86:75:30:06 (try 1)
wlan0: authenticated
wlan0: associate with 00:25:86:75:30:06 (try 1)
wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:25:86:75:30:06 (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=2)
wlan0: associated
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready
wlan0: no IPv6 routers present
ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
ata1: EH complete
EXT4-fs (sda5): re-mounted. Opts: commit=0
EXT4-fs (sda7): re-mounted. Opts: commit=0
fuse init (API version 7.14)
Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.11
lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
irq 17: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
Pid: 5134, comm: cairo-dock Tainted: P            2.6.35-ARCH #1
Call Trace:
 [<c12e64dd>] ? printk+0x18/0x1b
 [<c1097037>] __report_bad_irq.clone.1+0x27/0x90
 [<c1095b94>] ? handle_IRQ_event+0x44/0x1a0
 [<c10971f2>] note_interrupt+0x152/0x190
 [<c1097d0b>] handle_fasteoi_irq+0x9b/0xc0
 [<c1005d68>] handle_irq+0x18/0x30
 [<c1005a47>] do_IRQ+0x47/0xc0
 [<c1106fc4>] ? sys_poll+0x54/0xd0
 [<c1003d30>] common_interrupt+0x30/0x38
 [<c12e0000>] ? detect_extended_topology+0x7d/0x182
handlers:
[<fa3eb1a0>] (ath_isr+0x0/0x1f0 [ath9k])
Disabling IRQ #17
No probe response from AP 00:25:86:75:30:06 after 500ms, disconnecting.
cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain
wlan0: authenticate with 00:25:86:75:30:06 (try 1)
wlan0: authenticate with 00:25:86:75:30:06 (try 2)
wlan0: authenticate with 00:25:86:75:30:06 (try 3)
wlan0: authentication with 00:25:86:75:30:06 timed out



Oh, a crash track, and IRQ #17(to the wireless?) is disabled, then wlan no
more reply to any request to associatings.

Acroding to the log, the wireless work the first time it associated to my
AP, this is done by the /etc/rc.d/network, i configured in rc.conf.

the second time it associate is when entered the desktop, network-manager
begin to control the netwok stuff.  then the ath9k module crashed.

Reboot the system won't help, only turn out that system can't find my
wireless. I have to compeletely shutdown the conputer, unplug power and
battery, then boot again, and maybe run into a normal situaiton, none of
above happend.


-- 
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--> Blog: http://apt-blog.net

From xenoterracide at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 17:00:45 2010
From: xenoterracide at gmail.com (Caleb Cushing)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:00:45 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] man page conflict
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBiVMyjSe3PqJT_+6WQP5bm0roFV=7UEXY=ucS@mail.gmail.com>

(6/6) checking for file conflicts
[################################] 100%
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
man-pages: /usr/share/man/man3/aio_init.3.gz exists in filesystem

pacman -Qo /usr/share/man/man3/aio_init.3.gz
              slave-iv
/usr/share/man/man3/aio_init.3.gz is owned by libaio 0.3.109-1


so what's the fix here?
-- 
Caleb Cushing

http://xenoterracide.com

From ijanos at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 06:06:39 2010
From: ijanos at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_Ill=E9s?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:06:39 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 14:54, Thomas Jost <schnouki at schnouki.net> wrote:
> Hope this helps.

I removed openntpd completely and disabled time sync. The vm still
freezes eventually.
Also, I cannot set clocksource to anything else than acpi_pm

Let's go back to brainstorming mode, i welcome any new ideas.

-- 
J?nos

From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 06:35:09 2010
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:35:09 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] man page conflict
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimBiVMyjSe3PqJT_+6WQP5bm0roFV=7UEXY=ucS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimBiVMyjSe3PqJT_+6WQP5bm0roFV=7UEXY=ucS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDwfy9oBAbX7URrgS2dYuQKUpmqdbW3hp9J=No@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Caleb Cushing <xenoterracide at gmail.com>wrote:

> (6/6) checking for file conflicts
> [################################] 100%
> error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
> man-pages: /usr/share/man/man3/aio_init.3.gz exists in filesystem
>
> pacman -Qo /usr/share/man/man3/aio_init.3.gz
>              slave-iv
> /usr/share/man/man3/aio_init.3.gz is owned by libaio 0.3.109-1
>
>
> so what's the fix here?
> --
> Caleb Cushing
>
> http://xenoterracide.com
>


libaio is in AUR. It's this package which should be corrected (ie should not
include this manpage). Also there is already a closed bug report about this:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21430

-- 
C?dric Girard

From christian08 at runbox.com  Sun Oct 24 10:33:10 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:33:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
Message-ID: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>

Hi all,
I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the 
errors I get while compiling a program into atext file.
What to type after make then?
Many thanks for any help,
Christian

From jesse.jaara at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 10:36:45 2010
From: jesse.jaara at gmail.com (jesse jaara)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:36:45 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRGTXLn3h3+YCVnA_GM6h2tuRSKtQQLpHpApbM@mail.gmail.com>

If you build it in some terminal emulator you might be ableto save the whole
output into file. If i remember right atleast kdes konsole and yakuake can
do that
On 24.10.2010 17.33, "Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the
> errors I get while compiling a program into atext file.
> What to type after make then?
> Many thanks for any help,
> Christian

From archlinux at cryptocrack.de  Sun Oct 24 10:36:53 2010
From: archlinux at cryptocrack.de (Lukas Fleischer)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:36:53 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <20101024143653.GB1797@blizzard>

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 04:33:10PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the
> errors I get while compiling a program into atext file.
> What to type after make then?

`make 2> foobar` will put them errors in a text file called "foobar".

From jesse.jaara at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 10:38:35 2010
From: jesse.jaara at gmail.com (jesse jaara)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:38:35 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRGTXLn3h3+YCVnA_GM6h2tuRSKtQQLpHpApbM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
	<AANLkTimRGTXLn3h3+YCVnA_GM6h2tuRSKtQQLpHpApbM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5v7hLs2ZXe2=QRUaL=FuhpdWywBxfxxq2r2P1@mail.gmail.com>

I think i miss understoid you, if you wang the output og make to file you
can put >/file/path to end if iy
On 24.10.2010 17.36, "jesse jaara" <jesse.jaara at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you build it in some terminal emulator you might be ableto save the
whole
> output into file. If i remember right atleast kdes konsole and yakuake can
> do that
> On 24.10.2010 17.33, "Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the
>> errors I get while compiling a program into atext file.
>> What to type after make then?
>> Many thanks for any help,
>> Christian

From archlinux at cryptocrack.de  Sun Oct 24 10:45:55 2010
From: archlinux at cryptocrack.de (Lukas Fleischer)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:45:55 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=5v7hLs2ZXe2=QRUaL=FuhpdWywBxfxxq2r2P1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
	<AANLkTimRGTXLn3h3+YCVnA_GM6h2tuRSKtQQLpHpApbM@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=5v7hLs2ZXe2=QRUaL=FuhpdWywBxfxxq2r2P1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101024144555.GC1797@blizzard>

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 05:38:35PM +0300, jesse jaara wrote:
> I think i miss understoid you, if you wang the output og make to file you
> can put >/file/path to end if iy

">" won't work since errors are printed to stderr (not stdout) in most
cases. "2>" should do the trick. If there are some errors printed to
stdout, you could use `make 2>&1 >foo`.

From christian08 at runbox.com  Sun Oct 24 10:55:02 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:55:02 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <20101024144555.GC1797@blizzard>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>	<AANLkTimRGTXLn3h3+YCVnA_GM6h2tuRSKtQQLpHpApbM@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=5v7hLs2ZXe2=QRUaL=FuhpdWywBxfxxq2r2P1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101024144555.GC1797@blizzard>
Message-ID: <4CC448C6.6020201@runbox.com>

Hi,
On 2010-10-24 16:45, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 05:38:35PM +0300, jesse jaara wrote:
>> I think i miss understoid you, if you wang the output og make to file you
>> can put>/file/path to end if iy
> ">" won't work since errors are printed to stderr (not stdout) in most
> cases. "2>" should do the trick. If there are some errors printed to
> stdout, you could use `make 2>&1>foo`.
> Yes, that helped. Many thanks!
>


From baho-utot at columbus.rr.com  Sun Oct 24 10:57:38 2010
From: baho-utot at columbus.rr.com (Baho Utot)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:57:38 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] devtools:mkarchroot fails under sudo
Message-ID: <4CC44962.2030300@columbus.rr.com>

Following Building in a clean chroot I have encountered the following 
issue, which is related to using sudo mkarchroot
The full path is not included (code posted from mkarchroot) should this 
be fixed?
After patching mkarchroot it works with sudo.

BUILD=/home/devtools

$ sudo mkdir -vp ${BUILD}
mkdir: created directory `/home/devtools'

$ sudo /usr/sbin/mkarchroot "${BUILD}/root" base base-devel sudo
:: Synchronizing package databases...
....
[putolin]
....
/usr/sbin/mkarchroot: line 178: ldconfig: command not found
/usr/sbin/mkarchroot: line 191: chroot: command not found

/usr/sbin/mkarchroot

line 178:
     if [ -d "${working_dir}/lib/modules" ]; then
         ldconfig -r "${working_dir}"
     fi

     if [ -d "${working_dir}/lib/modules" ]; then
         /sbin/ldconfig -r "${working_dir}"
     fi


line 191:
     if [ -e "${working_dir}/etc/locale.gen" ]; then
         echo -e 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8\nde_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8' > 
"${working_dir}/etc/locale.gen"
         chroot "${working_dir}" locale-gen

     if [ -e "${working_dir}/etc/locale.gen" ]; then
         echo -e 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8\nde_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8' > 
"${working_dir}/etc/locale.gen"
         /usr/sbin/chroot "${working_dir}" /usr/sbin/locale-gen


From mail at hehejo.de  Sun Oct 24 11:20:03 2010
From: mail at hehejo.de (Johannes Held)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:20:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <20101024172003.0f7ef3e5@hehejo.de>

Christian <christian08 at runbox.com>:
> I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the 
> errors I get while compiling a program into atext file.
> What to type after make then?
You could try "tee". man tee.

your_command | tee file_1 file_2


-- 
Gru?, Johannes
http://hehejo.de
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From lists at baums-on-web.de  Sun Oct 24 11:24:12 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:24:12 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <20101024172412.6d14b8f8@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:33:10 +0200
schrieb Christian <christian08 at runbox.com>:

> Hi all,
> I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the 
> errors I get while compiling a program into atext file.
> What to type after make then?
> Many thanks for any help,
> Christian

The easiest way in Arch Linux is building a PKGBUILD, and putting it
to /var/abs/local/<packagename>.

Then cd to this directory and run `makepkg -L`.

Otherwise run `make > /path/to/logfile 2> /path/to/logfile`. You
probably need to replace > by >> and 2> by 2>>.

Heiko

From baho-utot at columbus.rr.com  Sun Oct 24 11:34:14 2010
From: baho-utot at columbus.rr.com (Baho Utot)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:34:14 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <20101024172003.0f7ef3e5@hehejo.de>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com> <20101024172003.0f7ef3e5@hehejo.de>
Message-ID: <4CC451F6.70706@columbus.rr.com>

On 10/24/10 11:20, Johannes Held wrote:
> Christian<christian08 at runbox.com>:
>> I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the
>> errors I get while compiling a program into atext file.
>> What to type after make then?
> You could try "tee". man tee.
>
> your_command | tee file_1 file_2
>
>

If you need to bail from a calling makefile/bash script if an error 
occurs do this:

LOG=<your_log_file>

( <your_command> | tee -a ${LOG} && exit $PIPESTATUS ) # append to a log 
file

( <your_command> | tee ${LOG} && exit $PIPESTATUS ) # overwrite the log file

Then the calling makefile/bash script will bail on an error and not 
continue.


From dgbaley27 at verizon.net  Sun Oct 24 13:16:00 2010
From: dgbaley27 at verizon.net (Matthew Monaco)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:16:00 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to do this
In-Reply-To: <20101024144555.GC1797@blizzard>
References: <4CC443A6.4090909@runbox.com>
	<AANLkTimRGTXLn3h3+YCVnA_GM6h2tuRSKtQQLpHpApbM@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=5v7hLs2ZXe2=QRUaL=FuhpdWywBxfxxq2r2P1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101024144555.GC1797@blizzard>
Message-ID: <4CC469D0.8030303@verizon.net>

On 10/24/2010 10:45 AM, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 05:38:35PM +0300, jesse jaara wrote:
>> I think i miss understoid you, if you wang the output og make to file you
>> can put>/file/path to end if iy
>
> ">" won't work since errors are printed to stderr (not stdout) in most
> cases. "2>" should do the trick. If there are some errors printed to
> stdout, you could use `make 2>&1>foo`.
>

Or just "&> foo"

From reflexing at reflexing.ru  Sun Oct 24 21:26:58 2010
From: reflexing at reflexing.ru (Kirill Churin)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arch-general] Kirill Churin wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
Message-ID: <784105001.4722352.1287970018449.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn12.prod>

LinkedIn
------------

   
General,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Kirill Churin

Kirill Churin
Independent Information Technology and Services Professional
Russian Federation

Confirm that you know Kirill Churin
https://www.linkedin.com/e/j2jirp-gfoo3eku-30/isd/1819051422/B-ZHSOlx/


 
-- 
(c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation

From jeffrey.parke at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 22:06:06 2010
From: jeffrey.parke at gmail.com (Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 21:06:06 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Kirill Churin wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
In-Reply-To: <784105001.4722352.1287970018449.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn12.prod>
References: <784105001.4722352.1287970018449.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn12.prod>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin79inHK7EZVjaYNZL-z8rGePZ7rT3BU_uh4kAo@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Kirill Churin <reflexing at reflexing.ru>wrote:

> LinkedIn
> ------------
>
>
> General,
>
> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
>
> - Kirill Churin
>
> Kirill Churin
> Independent Information Technology and Services Professional
> Russian Federation
>
> Confirm that you know Kirill Churin
> https://www.linkedin.com/e/j2jirp-gfoo3eku-30/isd/1819051422/B-ZHSOlx/
>
>
>
> --
> (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation
>


mass communication at it's best

From reflexing at reflexing.ru  Sun Oct 24 22:07:39 2010
From: reflexing at reflexing.ru (Kirill Churin)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 08:07:39 +0600
Subject: [arch-general] Kirill Churin wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin79inHK7EZVjaYNZL-z8rGePZ7rT3BU_uh4kAo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <784105001.4722352.1287970018449.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn12.prod>
	<AANLkTin79inHK7EZVjaYNZL-z8rGePZ7rT3BU_uh4kAo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHVTefwsLW2-v-=hqw2K4s+PqFH0SDZgAcFWyR@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. <
jeffrey.parke at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Kirill Churin <reflexing at reflexing.ru
> >wrote:
>
> > LinkedIn
> > ------------
> >
> >
> > General,
> >
> > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
> >
> > - Kirill Churin
> >
> > Kirill Churin
> > Independent Information Technology and Services Professional
> > Russian Federation
> >
> > Confirm that you know Kirill Churin
> > https://www.linkedin.com/e/j2jirp-gfoo3eku-30/isd/1819051422/B-ZHSOlx/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation
> >
>
>
> mass communication at it's best
>

Please, please, please, sorry for this dumb spam :(

-- 
Kirill Churin
Jabber: reflexing at reflexing.ru, ICQ: 8163230, Skype on demand.

In a world *without walls* or fences, *who needs windows and gates?*

From kylebassett at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 22:07:31 2010
From: kylebassett at gmail.com (Kyle Bassett)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 22:07:31 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Kirill Churin wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin79inHK7EZVjaYNZL-z8rGePZ7rT3BU_uh4kAo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <784105001.4722352.1287970018449.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn12.prod>
	<AANLkTin79inHK7EZVjaYNZL-z8rGePZ7rT3BU_uh4kAo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimiAMj1RU-h2BLBoR3+LYftPu=Yf6T67-1kvoHR@mail.gmail.com>

Kirill is about to be a popular guy...

;-)

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. <
jeffrey.parke at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Kirill Churin <reflexing at reflexing.ru
> >wrote:
>
> > LinkedIn
> > ------------
> >
> >
> > General,
> >
> > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
> >
> > - Kirill Churin
> >
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> > Independent Information Technology and Services Professional
> > Russian Federation
> >
> > Confirm that you know Kirill Churin
> > https://www.linkedin.com/e/j2jirp-gfoo3eku-30/isd/1819051422/B-ZHSOlx/
> >
> >
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> > --
> > (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation
> >
>
>
> mass communication at it's best
>

From mrelendig at har-ikkje.net  Mon Oct 25 07:21:05 2010
From: mrelendig at har-ikkje.net (=?ISO-8859-1?B?2Hl2aW5k?= Heggstad)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:21:05 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Question about installing libraries
In-Reply-To: <201010220134580750.000CD305@127.0.0.1>
References: <4CC0C1C0.9030607@runbox.com> <4CC0CD97.6040904@archlinux.org>
	<201010220134580750.000CD305@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20101025132105.4bf6b6d1@Alice.zomgnet>

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:34:58 +0200
"Christian" <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 
> On 2010-10-22 at 09:32 Allan McRae wrote:
> 
> >On 22/10/10 08:42, Christian wrote:
> >> For example, I now need to use pygame1.8 and there is 1.9 in the
> >> arch repository.
> >
> >As an aside, most things that work with pygame-1.8 also work with
> >1.9...
> >
> >Allan
> How is it with python2.5 then?
> 
> 
Unless the code is using something that has been deprecated/removed in
2.6/2.7, then it will work just fine in 2.7 too.

From partha at gmx.us  Mon Oct 25 09:40:19 2010
From: partha at gmx.us (Partha Chowdhury)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:10:19 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Screen goes black after installing latest nvidia
	driver
Message-ID: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs>

Today I updated my desktop which installed latest nvidia - version
260.19.12. When I tried startx, screen went black and the led of the
power button of the monitor kept flashing.After I downgraded the nvidia,
everything went allright.

To be absolutely sure that it is not caused by anything in my system, i
installed arch again on to a new partition and installed the packages.
Same results.

I searched the bug tracker but found nothing.Is anybody experiencing
the same thing ?

My system:
Vga:VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400 GS]
(rev a1)

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Mon Oct 25 09:51:43 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:51:43 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Screen goes black after installing latest nvidia
 driver
In-Reply-To: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs>
References: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs>
Message-ID: <4CC58B6F.8050001@archlinux.org>

On 10/25/2010 04:40 PM, Partha Chowdhury wrote:
> Today I updated my desktop which installed latest nvidia - version
> 260.19.12. When I tried startx, screen went black and the led of the
> power button of the monitor kept flashing.After I downgraded the nvidia,
> everything went allright.
>
> To be absolutely sure that it is not caused by anything in my system, i
> installed arch again on to a new partition and installed the packages.
> Same results.
>
> I searched the bug tracker but found nothing.Is anybody experiencing
> the same thing ?
>
> My system:
> Vga:VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400 GS]
> (rev a1)

congrats, you found a bug in nvidia driver. I've saw a lot of users 
having this issue on nvidia forum but not a single reply from nvidia devs.

take a look yourself: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14

-- 
Ionu?

From vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org  Mon Oct 25 12:04:00 2010
From: vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org (Attila)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Screen goes black after installing latest nvidia
	driver
References: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs> <4CC58B6F.8050001@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <gcmgp7xdje.ln2@news.arcor.de>

At Montag, 25. Oktober 2010 15:51 Ionu? B?ru wrote:

> congrats, you found a bug in nvidia driver. I've saw a lot of users 
> having this issue on nvidia forum but not a single reply from nvidia devs.

I don't have this problem so saying it is "only" a bug of the driver sounds too 
easy for me. Perhaps it would be better if people with this problem compare 
their configurations.

> take a look yourself: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14

And where is one of this reports? Sorry, but posting no url would be better in 
this case.-)

See you, Attila



From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Mon Oct 25 16:19:23 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:19:23 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Strange Xorg issue - no init of NV 8800GT - reboot
	-> late init?
Message-ID: <4CC5E64B.6090908@suddenlinkmail.com>

Guys,

	I don't know if this is software or hardware related, but after a shutdown
(power outage that exhausted the UPS), I boot my box and I get no display at
all. The nvidia platinum SLI board has an onboard vga controller that is turned
off in the bios and the box uses an nv8800gt for the display. After ssh'ing into
the box I looked at the pci bus with lspci:

<snip>
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C77 [nForce 750a SLI] (rev a2)
05:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA
Controller (rev 03)
05:00.1 IDE interface: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA
Controller (rev 03)

	There was no 8800gt shown and the vga controller was shown as a nForce 750a SLI
(huh?). Also, the timestamp looks huge (maybe fsck ran?) Checking the Xorg.0.log
showed the 'No display devices found' error:


[  1795.823] (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
[  1795.823] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
[  1795.823] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[  1795.823] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
[  1795.823] (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "Coolbits" "1"
[  1795.823] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
[  1795.823] (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X
extensions is
[  1795.823] (II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.
[  1795.977] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU nForce 750a SLI (C77) at PCI:2:0:0 (GPU-0)
[  1795.978] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
[  1795.978] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 62.77.2f.00.05
[  1795.978] (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
[  1795.978] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on nForce 750a SLI at
PCI:2:0:0
[  1795.978] (--) NVIDIA(0):     none
[  1795.979] (EE) NVIDIA(0): No display devices found for this X screen.
[  1796.111] (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[  1796.111] (II) UnloadModule: "wfb"
[  1796.111] (II) UnloadModule: "fb"
[  1796.111] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[  1796.111]
Fatal server error:
[  1796.111] no screens found
[  1796.111]
Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
         at http://wiki.x.org
 for help.


	After shutdown (power-off) and reboot, there was no bios screen and no boot
loader display, but then after kdm init, the display appeared. Checking with
lspci, the 8800GT magically appeared:

<snip>
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT] (rev a2)
04:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA
Controller (rev 03)
04:00.1 IDE interface: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA
Controller (rev 03)

	Checking the Xorg.0.log after the display was up. all looks OK:

<snip>
[    23.539] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8800 GT (G92) at PCI:2:0:0 (GPU-0)
[    23.539] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
[    23.539] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 62.92.24.00.01
[    23.539] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 8X
[    23.539] (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
[    23.539] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 8800 GT at
PCI:2:0:0
[    23.539] (--) NVIDIA(0):     Acer V223W (DFP-0)
[    23.539] (--) NVIDIA(0): Acer V223W (DFP-0): 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[    23.539] (--) NVIDIA(0): Acer V223W (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link TMDS
[    23.698] (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: DFP-0
[    23.698] (==) NVIDIA(0):
[    23.698] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode
"nvidia-auto-select"
[    23.698] (==) NVIDIA(0):     will be used as the requested mode.


	What I don't know is whether this can be kernel/new xorg related or whether
this looks more like a hardware issue? Given the lack of bios/grub display, it
sounds like it was still looking at the wrong controller until kdm start. I
don't see how the system could change its mind mid-stream and fix itself, but
the display/card is working fine now. Anybody have any thoughts on this?

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From ibiru at archlinux.org  Mon Oct 25 16:24:22 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:24:22 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Screen goes black after installing latest nvidia
 driver
In-Reply-To: <gcmgp7xdje.ln2@news.arcor.de>
References: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs> <4CC58B6F.8050001@archlinux.org>
	<gcmgp7xdje.ln2@news.arcor.de>
Message-ID: <4CC5E776.8080102@archlinux.org>

On 10/25/2010 07:04 PM, Attila wrote:
> At Montag, 25. Oktober 2010 15:51 Ionu? B?ru wrote:
>
>> congrats, you found a bug in nvidia driver. I've saw a lot of users
>> having this issue on nvidia forum but not a single reply from nvidia devs.
>
> I don't have this problem so saying it is "only" a bug of the driver sounds too
> easy for me. Perhaps it would be better if people with this problem compare
> their configurations.
>

maybe you misunderstood me or i suck at explanations. Not all cards are 
affected and even the same chipsets. In some situations, no idea what 
are those, the new nvidia driver doesn't work.

for example there is one guy with sony vaio laptop in the forum which 
has 8400 GT and has black screen. Others that have 84000 GT doesn't have 
this issue.

>> take a look yourself: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
>
> And where is one of this reports? Sorry, but posting no url would be better in
> this case.-)
>

i'm too lazy to search for black screen now but is not on the front page 
as this issue was reported since the beta

>


-- 
Ionu?

From registo.mailling at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 16:31:05 2010
From: registo.mailling at gmail.com (Mauro Santos)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:31:05 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Strange Xorg issue - no init of NV 8800GT -
 reboot -> late init?
In-Reply-To: <4CC5E64B.6090908@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC5E64B.6090908@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC5E909.9020104@gmail.com>

On 25-10-2010 21:19, David C. Rankin wrote:
> 	What I don't know is whether this can be kernel/new xorg related or whether
> this looks more like a hardware issue? Given the lack of bios/grub display, it
> sounds like it was still looking at the wrong controller until kdm start. I
> don't see how the system could change its mind mid-stream and fix itself, but
> the display/card is working fine now. Anybody have any thoughts on this?
> 

Try to get into the bios, if you see no image try to plug the display on
both outputs (not at the same time of course :p ) and see if you can get
any image.

If it works then for some reason the display priority may have changed
in the bios, and I guess you can correct it there. No other ideas here
except that the hardware might have disliked that outage, you really
should look into getting the system to power off properly when the UPS
in low on battery.

-- 
Mauro Santos

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Mon Oct 25 17:04:56 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:04:56 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Strange Xorg issue - no init of NV 8800GT -
 reboot -> late init?
In-Reply-To: <4CC5E909.9020104@gmail.com>
References: <4CC5E64B.6090908@suddenlinkmail.com> <4CC5E909.9020104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC5F0F8.6030405@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/25/2010 03:31 PM, Mauro Santos wrote:
> Try to get into the bios, if you see no image try to plug the display on
> both outputs (not at the same time of course :p ) and see if you can get
> any image.

Thank Mauro,

	I rebooted again and I can get to the bios/grub display just fine now. Must
have been a transient issue..

> 
> If it works then for some reason the display priority may have changed
> in the bios, and I guess you can correct it there. No other ideas here
> except that the hardware might have disliked that outage, you really
> should look into getting the system to power off properly when the UPS
> in low on battery.

	NUT shuts the box down when the UPS hits 15% remaining (CyberPower CP1000AVRLCD
... I really like these UPS's). The box shut down just fine, I think the boot
limit was reached which caused fsck to run. I have no explanation for the
missing 8800gt after the power outage. I guess there was some stray voltage that
went somewhere when it happened. Looks like it is all back to normal now.


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org  Mon Oct 25 17:06:45 2010
From: vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org (Attila)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:06:45 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Screen goes black after installing latest nvidia
	driver
References: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs> <4CC58B6F.8050001@archlinux.org>
	<gcmgp7xdje.ln2@news.arcor.de> <4CC5E776.8080102@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <548hp7xajl.ln2@news.arcor.de>

At Montag, 25. Oktober 2010 22:24 Ionu? B?ru wrote:

> maybe you misunderstood me or i suck at explanations. Not all cards are 
> affected and even the same chipsets. In some situations, no idea what 
> are those, the new nvidia driver doesn't work.
> 
> for example there is one guy with sony vaio laptop in the forum which 
> has 8400 GT and has black screen. Others that have 84000 GT doesn't have 
> this issue

Okay, if this is the hardware than the only thing what i can help is to say that 
this cards makes no problem for me: 6200, 7600GS, G210 and GT220.

But this is not good because the 8400 is a nice card und should be supported 
from nvidia in a better way.

> i'm too lazy to search for black screen now but is not on the front page 
> as this issue was reported since the beta

I was hoping you have the link because for using the search function of the nv 
forum i even have to search my glasses.-)

See you, Attila


From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Mon Oct 25 18:18:53 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:18:53 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>
	<AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC6024D.8010507@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/24/2010 05:06 AM, J?nos Ill?s wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 14:54, Thomas Jost <schnouki at schnouki.net> wrote:
>> Hope this helps.
> 
> I removed openntpd completely and disabled time sync. The vm still
> freezes eventually.
> Also, I cannot set clocksource to anything else than acpi_pm
> 
> Let's go back to brainstorming mode, i welcome any new ideas.
> 

OK,

    Let's start over. I haven't a clue about your clocksource loop, but I would
suggest rebuilding virtualbox using:

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=9753

    Of all the different packages, I have had great luck with this one. Just
download the tarball and untar/ungzip with:

tar -xzf virtualbox_bin.tar.gz

cd virtualbox_bin/

makepkg -s

sudo pacman -U virtualbox_bin-3.2.10-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz

    Then test again.

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From baho-utot at columbus.rr.com  Mon Oct 25 18:49:22 2010
From: baho-utot at columbus.rr.com (Baho Utot)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:49:22 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <4CC6024D.8010507@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>	<AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC6024D.8010507@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC60972.6020502@columbus.rr.com>

On 10/25/10 18:18, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 10/24/2010 05:06 AM, J?nos Ill?s wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 14:54, Thomas Jost<schnouki at schnouki.net>  wrote:
>>> Hope this helps.
>> I removed openntpd completely and disabled time sync. The vm still
>> freezes eventually.
>> Also, I cannot set clocksource to anything else than acpi_pm
>>
>> Let's go back to brainstorming mode, i welcome any new ideas.
>>
> OK,
>
>      Let's start over. I haven't a clue about your clocksource loop, but I would
> suggest rebuilding virtualbox using:
>
> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=9753
>
>      Of all the different packages, I have had great luck with this one. Just
> download the tarball and untar/ungzip with:
>
> tar -xzf virtualbox_bin.tar.gz
>
> cd virtualbox_bin/
>
> makepkg -s
>
> sudo pacman -U virtualbox_bin-3.2.10-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
>
>      Then test again.
>

That might help but if it where me I would build it using "A clean chroot"

The instructions to do that is here:

  http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_Clean_Chroot

That way you would not get anything you didn't bargain for ;)


From myra.nelson at hughes.net  Mon Oct 25 19:15:00 2010
From: myra.nelson at hughes.net (Myra Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:15:00 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Screen goes black after installing latest nvidia
	driver
In-Reply-To: <4CC5E776.8080102@archlinux.org>
References: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs> <4CC58B6F.8050001@archlinux.org>
	<gcmgp7xdje.ln2@news.arcor.de> <4CC5E776.8080102@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=uXEYOR+NT9ZWkcdiUT2mBmqYkWOfGLUG=FsFy@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 15:24, Ionu? B?ru <ibiru at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 10/25/2010 07:04 PM, Attila wrote:
>>
>> At Montag, 25. Oktober 2010 15:51 Ionu? B?ru wrote:
>>
>>> congrats, you found a bug in nvidia driver. I've saw a lot of users
>>> having this issue on nvidia forum but not a single reply from nvidia
>>> devs.
>>
>> I don't have this problem so saying it is "only" a bug of the driver
>> sounds too
>> easy for me. Perhaps it would be better if people with this problem
>> compare
>> their configurations.
>>
>
> maybe you misunderstood me or i suck at explanations. Not all cards are
> affected and even the same chipsets. In some situations, no idea what are
> those, the new nvidia driver doesn't work.
>
> for example there is one guy with sony vaio laptop in the forum which has
> 8400 GT and has black screen. Others that have 84000 GT doesn't have this
> issue.
>
>>> take a look yourself:
>>> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
>>
>> And where is one of this reports? Sorry, but posting no url would be
>> better in
>> this case.-)
>>
>
> i'm too lazy to search for black screen now but is not on the front page as
> this issue was reported since the beta
>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ionu?
>

I don't know if this is related or not. I'm not having any problems
with desktop cards and the latest drivers, but I've had problems with
integrated graphics on both laptops and desktops. Seems some laptop
manufacturers tweak the video drivers and only their drivers will work
you can't install the drivers from nVidia or ATI. I've also had
integrated video on a desktop board, IICR it was an nforce4, that the
nVidia drivers (the recommended drivers) wouldn't recognize at all.
After 3 days of trying to correct the problem, I finally gave up on
the integrated graphics and purchased and add on card.

I hope this isn't too far off topic, but thought it might give you
somewhere else to look for the problem.

Myra


-- 
Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!

From myra.nelson at hughes.net  Mon Oct 25 19:19:45 2010
From: myra.nelson at hughes.net (Myra Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:19:45 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <4CC60972.6020502@columbus.rr.com>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>
	<AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC6024D.8010507@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<4CC60972.6020502@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQVj7Zq34CWGC-MM7t8bzjnp8+Vf0wxNDTtLhu@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 17:49, Baho Utot <baho-utot at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> On 10/25/10 18:18, David C. Rankin wrote:
>>
>> On 10/24/2010 05:06 AM, J?nos Ill?s wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 14:54, Thomas Jost<schnouki at schnouki.net> ?wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> I removed openntpd completely and disabled time sync. The vm still
>>> freezes eventually.
>>> Also, I cannot set clocksource to anything else than acpi_pm
>>>
>>> Let's go back to brainstorming mode, i welcome any new ideas.
>>>
>> OK,
>>
>> ? ? Let's start over. I haven't a clue about your clocksource loop, but I
>> would
>> suggest rebuilding virtualbox using:
>>
>> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=9753
>>
>> ? ? Of all the different packages, I have had great luck with this one.
>> Just
>> download the tarball and untar/ungzip with:
>>
>> tar -xzf virtualbox_bin.tar.gz
>>
>> cd virtualbox_bin/
>>
>> makepkg -s
>>
>> sudo pacman -U virtualbox_bin-3.2.10-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
>>
>> ? ? Then test again.
>>
>
> That might help but if it where me I would build it using "A clean chroot"
>
> The instructions to do that is here:
>
> ?http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_Clean_Chroot
>
> That way you would not get anything you didn't bargain for ;)
>
>

Another suggestion would be to download the puel version from
Oracle/Sun (http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html)
and install it. I use it on two boxes and have not experienced any
problems.

Myra

-- 
Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!

From lists at baums-on-web.de  Mon Oct 25 19:29:05 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:29:05 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikQVj7Zq34CWGC-MM7t8bzjnp8+Vf0wxNDTtLhu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>
	<AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC6024D.8010507@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<4CC60972.6020502@columbus.rr.com>
	<AANLkTikQVj7Zq34CWGC-MM7t8bzjnp8+Vf0wxNDTtLhu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101026012905.7bc5bd42@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:19:45 -0500
schrieb Myra Nelson <myra.nelson at hughes.net>:

> Another suggestion would be to download the puel version from
> Oracle/Sun
> (http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) and
> install it.

That's what the AUR package virtualbox_bin is doing.

Heiko

From myra.nelson at hughes.net  Mon Oct 25 19:38:25 2010
From: myra.nelson at hughes.net (Myra Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:38:25 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <20101026012905.7bc5bd42@darkstar.galaxy.all>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>
	<AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC6024D.8010507@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<4CC60972.6020502@columbus.rr.com>
	<AANLkTikQVj7Zq34CWGC-MM7t8bzjnp8+Vf0wxNDTtLhu@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101026012905.7bc5bd42@darkstar.galaxy.all>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=R2hQ3sB-D_sVhmK66nFUoyW-iifgrVG2PCWKz@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 18:29, Heiko Baums <lists at baums-on-web.de> wrote:
> Am Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:19:45 -0500
> schrieb Myra Nelson <myra.nelson at hughes.net>:
>
>> Another suggestion would be to download the puel version from
>> Oracle/Sun
>> (http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) and
>> install it.
>
> That's what the AUR package virtualbox_bin is doing.
>
> Heiko
>
Sorry bout that, I should have read the pkgbuild first.


-- 
Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!

From partha at gmx.us  Mon Oct 25 22:48:30 2010
From: partha at gmx.us (Partha Chowdhury)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:18:30 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Screen goes black after installing latest nvidia
 driver
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=uXEYOR+NT9ZWkcdiUT2mBmqYkWOfGLUG=FsFy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101025134018.GA3229@lfs> <4CC58B6F.8050001@archlinux.org>
	<gcmgp7xdje.ln2@news.arcor.de> <4CC5E776.8080102@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTi=uXEYOR+NT9ZWkcdiUT2mBmqYkWOfGLUG=FsFy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101026024830.GA19296@lfs>

Thank you everyone for your replies. 

>From last night, I have tried different versions of kernel + Nvidia
driver to pinpoint the bug, and the culprit is the whole 260.x.x series
drivers. Every driver from 180,195 and 256 series works fine on any kernel
version. but the 260.19.04,260.19.06,260.19.12 does not work with any
combination.Guess the 260 series does not like the 8400GS card (:.

On searching the nvidia forum, i see many regressions with 260 series
drivers.I use the nvidia solely for VDPAU otherwise i can use the
intregated card with nv or nouveau and kick the last closed-source out
of my box .

From kaitocracy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 22:51:31 2010
From: kaitocracy at gmail.com (Kaiting Chen)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:51:31 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <1287788048.15582.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
	<4CBE3C45.7070600@archlinux.org>
	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
	<939F9B24-DE09-406F-9337-FD21F6D68496@me.com>
	<AANLkTinTiOGVasUENUYKE9UHUQAqM=f3mKKC2s57pq0E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CBF07E4.2020505@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikM5MsLLw5xXrx11ySWF7uNLVMEYNAT4GO-zK2q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC043E3.7050107@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimnRdOzzV0RExR6QtsPhBUVadTdGAw-nb2RdKXk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikJYRwgRCDGjbcTeGyYCg=LytpPEjW4QOHA_NPz@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287788048.15582.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7KgzHoanrtqG1DQ-gfMEC7ed5r2jX1dWX2+Sd@mail.gmail.com>

You know what you could do is something like

rm /usr/bin/python
echo > /usr/bin/python << HERE
#! /bin/bash

[ -z "$_PYTHON" ] && _PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2

$_PYTHON "$@"
HERE
chmod 755 /usr/bin/python

if the transition is bothering you too much. Then when things calm down a
little you just delete that file and put the symlink back.

Kaiting.

From ijanos at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 02:44:00 2010
From: ijanos at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_Ill=E9s?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:44:00 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=R2hQ3sB-D_sVhmK66nFUoyW-iifgrVG2PCWKz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikFQ865orMKs95MmBybPkes0FxQZ0iMfwCGYa_1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC189A1.3000707@schnouki.net>
	<AANLkTikaTJCWYW-kBP-o=+dRcoCQ4R3Rr2+8hrH2=d-m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC6024D.8010507@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<4CC60972.6020502@columbus.rr.com>
	<AANLkTikQVj7Zq34CWGC-MM7t8bzjnp8+Vf0wxNDTtLhu@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101026012905.7bc5bd42@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<AANLkTi=R2hQ3sB-D_sVhmK66nFUoyW-iifgrVG2PCWKz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimC8gT4_D-ubmj-iMxvuf1VOvrAPZGE9cJYRtta@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 01:38, Myra Nelson <myra.nelson at hughes.net> wrote:
> Sorry bout that, I should have read the pkgbuild first.

Or you guys all should have read the original post. The host OS is windows.

--
J?nos

From mie.iscrizioni at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 04:08:19 2010
From: mie.iscrizioni at gmail.com (Stefano Z.)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:08:19 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim7KgzHoanrtqG1DQ-gfMEC7ed5r2jX1dWX2+Sd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101019232542.GA19445@cs.dal.ca>
	<AANLkTimB5n5493NKE_gMDL__5AkmunCmTVdiKeks1Je9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99852DE0-A928-436E-B0E4-B9056C177F74@me.com>
	<201010200201.28404.andrea@archlinux.org>
	<AB35D5D8-E8CC-4E5F-B46A-13BE67B784A2@me.com>
	<4CBE3C45.7070600@archlinux.org>
	<78420A75-F063-45F2-A48B-AE4201D37C0E@me.com>
	<939F9B24-DE09-406F-9337-FD21F6D68496@me.com>
	<AANLkTinTiOGVasUENUYKE9UHUQAqM=f3mKKC2s57pq0E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CBF07E4.2020505@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikM5MsLLw5xXrx11ySWF7uNLVMEYNAT4GO-zK2q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC043E3.7050107@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimnRdOzzV0RExR6QtsPhBUVadTdGAw-nb2RdKXk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikJYRwgRCDGjbcTeGyYCg=LytpPEjW4QOHA_NPz@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287788048.15582.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<AANLkTim7KgzHoanrtqG1DQ-gfMEC7ed5r2jX1dWX2+Sd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6RJfqis+72nfcKEA_kLcOMQ1h_ujkMgT64HDd@mail.gmail.com>

is a simple fact of relinking to python2 or there can be problems of
libraries ?
for example, reportlab does work ?

thanks

From ngoonee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 23:25:24 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:25:24 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] glibc-2.12.1-4
In-Reply-To: <4CC71558.10700@archlinux.org>
References: <4CC63126.5060107@archlinux.org>
	<4CC71558.10700@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikFSK-xnYP32YHKnjBeXJGkCr9vhZ+Mc4LCRfsb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Thomas B?chler <thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
> Am 26.10.2010 03:38, schrieb Allan McRae:
>> Another day, another glibc...
>>
>> This adjusts the static linking fix. The one previously used is a more
>> correct fix but appears incomplete. ?I have replaced this by a hack fix
>> that Fedora uses.
>>
>> I will leave this in [testing] a while. ?My concern is the previous
>> patch apparently fixed a bunch of segfault bugs in glibc and I am hoping
>> that these do not get reintroduced.
>>
>> If only upstream made a proper fix for this. ?Saying upstream is doing
>> not much about this bug would imply that they are doing something...
>
> Thomas not know bug. Computer still boot. Thomas happy. Hurray! Thomas
> sign off.
>

Segfault detected. Happens with bauerbill's AUR component. I'll just
pastebin the backtrace.

--> Searching for upgradable AUR packages...
*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/perl: double free or corruption
(fasttop): 0x00007fcbc826cf60 ***
======= Backtrace: =========
http://pastebin.com/mgkBjv5q

From allan at archlinux.org  Tue Oct 26 23:32:12 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:32:12 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] glibc-2.12.1-4
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikFSK-xnYP32YHKnjBeXJGkCr9vhZ+Mc4LCRfsb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CC63126.5060107@archlinux.org>	<4CC71558.10700@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikFSK-xnYP32YHKnjBeXJGkCr9vhZ+Mc4LCRfsb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC79D3C.5040304@archlinux.org>

On 27/10/10 13:25, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Thomas B?chler<thomas at archlinux.org>  wrote:
>> Am 26.10.2010 03:38, schrieb Allan McRae:
>>> Another day, another glibc...
>>>
>>> This adjusts the static linking fix. The one previously used is a more
>>> correct fix but appears incomplete.  I have replaced this by a hack fix
>>> that Fedora uses.
>>>
>>> I will leave this in [testing] a while.  My concern is the previous
>>> patch apparently fixed a bunch of segfault bugs in glibc and I am hoping
>>> that these do not get reintroduced.
>>>
>>> If only upstream made a proper fix for this.  Saying upstream is doing
>>> not much about this bug would imply that they are doing something...
>>
>> Thomas not know bug. Computer still boot. Thomas happy. Hurray! Thomas
>> sign off.
>>
>
> Segfault detected. Happens with bauerbill's AUR component. I'll just
> pastebin the backtrace.
>
> -->  Searching for upgradable AUR packages...
> *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/perl: double free or corruption
> (fasttop): 0x00007fcbc826cf60 ***
> ======= Backtrace: =========
> http://pastebin.com/mgkBjv5q
>

Is this new and does downgrading glibc to the version in [core] fix it?


From ngoonee at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 02:16:10 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:16:10 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] glibc-2.12.1-4
In-Reply-To: <4CC79D3C.5040304@archlinux.org>
References: <4CC63126.5060107@archlinux.org> <4CC71558.10700@archlinux.org>
	<AANLkTikFSK-xnYP32YHKnjBeXJGkCr9vhZ+Mc4LCRfsb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC79D3C.5040304@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTina9aaR1_OxAyeejgMtQbe6Pv+dZNPxn0P27kSb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org> wrote:
> On 27/10/10 13:25, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Thomas B?chler<thomas at archlinux.org>
>> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 26.10.2010 03:38, schrieb Allan McRae:
>>>>
>>>> Another day, another glibc...
>>>>
>>>> This adjusts the static linking fix. The one previously used is a more
>>>> correct fix but appears incomplete. ?I have replaced this by a hack fix
>>>> that Fedora uses.
>>>>
>>>> I will leave this in [testing] a while. ?My concern is the previous
>>>> patch apparently fixed a bunch of segfault bugs in glibc and I am hoping
>>>> that these do not get reintroduced.
>>>>
>>>> If only upstream made a proper fix for this. ?Saying upstream is doing
>>>> not much about this bug would imply that they are doing something...
>>>
>>> Thomas not know bug. Computer still boot. Thomas happy. Hurray! Thomas
>>> sign off.
>>>
>>
>> Segfault detected. Happens with bauerbill's AUR component. I'll just
>> pastebin the backtrace.
>>
>> --> ?Searching for upgradable AUR packages...
>> *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/perl: double free or corruption
>> (fasttop): 0x00007fcbc826cf60 ***
>> ======= Backtrace: =========
>> http://pastebin.com/mgkBjv5q
>>
>
> Is this new and does downgrading glibc to the version in [core] fix it?
>
Sorry, should have mentioned that, does not happen with glibc from
[core] (2.12.1-3)

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Wed Oct 27 22:36:52 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:36:52 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
Message-ID: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>

Guys,

	To add to the nvidia issues, after update to the latest driver (nvidia
260.19.12-1) the machine stops during boot due to (Invalid video mode, press
enter to see list....)

	Pressing enter then lists the available modes. However, when I enter one of the
listed modes, it is rejected and I get prompted again with the (Invalid video
mode, press enter to see list....).

	I don't know whether this is a bug, a KMS thing, or what, but I have never had
any problems passing vga=0x31a on the kernel line with the nvidia driver before.
(I know with ATI, KMS early is recommended, and no vga= on the kernel line)

	Is anybody else seeing this? Should I just remove the vga= line?

	After letting the (Invalid video mode, press enter to see list....) prompt
time-out, it all continues fine and the nvidia driver loads without issue. What
say the experts?


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From lists at baums-on-web.de  Wed Oct 27 23:16:52 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:16:52 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101028051652.148ed680@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:36:52 -0500
schrieb "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com>:

> Guys,
> 
> 	To add to the nvidia issues, after update to the latest
> driver (nvidia 260.19.12-1) the machine stops during boot due to
> (Invalid video mode, press enter to see list....)
> 
> 	Pressing enter then lists the available modes. However, when
> I enter one of the listed modes, it is rejected and I get prompted
> again with the (Invalid video mode, press enter to see list....).
> 
> 	I don't know whether this is a bug, a KMS thing, or what, but
> I have never had any problems passing vga=0x31a on the kernel line
> with the nvidia driver before. (I know with ATI, KMS early is
> recommended, and no vga= on the kernel line)
> 
> 	Is anybody else seeing this? Should I just remove the vga=
> line?
> 
> 	After letting the (Invalid video mode, press enter to see
> list....) prompt time-out, it all continues fine and the nvidia
> driver loads without issue. What say the experts?

There's an option to scanning your video card for valid values. If I
recall correctly you just can enter "scan" at that prompt. Then you can
set vga= to one of the possible values.

But if you're using KMS you need to remove the vga kernel parameter. If
you don't want to use KMS, add the kernel parameters vga and nomodeset.

Heiko

From rjh0507 at ecu.edu  Thu Oct 28 00:15:45 2010
From: rjh0507 at ecu.edu (Robert Howard)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:15:45 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <20101028051652.148ed680@darkstar.galaxy.all>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101028051652.148ed680@darkstar.galaxy.all>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRhA-m1Y5oKTnstXVReejZP5OAm5AGS4ThF43T@mail.gmail.com>

I believe this is occurring before the nvidia driver gets involved. Have you
tried downgrading nvidia?
On Oct 27, 2010 11:15 PM, "Heiko Baums" <lists at baums-on-web.de> wrote:
> Am Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:36:52 -0500
> schrieb "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com>:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> To add to the nvidia issues, after update to the latest
>> driver (nvidia 260.19.12-1) the machine stops during boot due to
>> (Invalid video mode, press enter to see list....)
>>
>> Pressing enter then lists the available modes. However, when
>> I enter one of the listed modes, it is rejected and I get prompted
>> again with the (Invalid video mode, press enter to see list....).
>>
>> I don't know whether this is a bug, a KMS thing, or what, but
>> I have never had any problems passing vga=0x31a on the kernel line
>> with the nvidia driver before. (I know with ATI, KMS early is
>> recommended, and no vga= on the kernel line)
>>
>> Is anybody else seeing this? Should I just remove the vga=
>> line?
>>
>> After letting the (Invalid video mode, press enter to see
>> list....) prompt time-out, it all continues fine and the nvidia
>> driver loads without issue. What say the experts?
>
> There's an option to scanning your video card for valid values. If I
> recall correctly you just can enter "scan" at that prompt. Then you can
> set vga= to one of the possible values.
>
> But if you're using KMS you need to remove the vga kernel parameter. If
> you don't want to use KMS, add the kernel parameters vga and nomodeset.
>
> Heiko

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Thu Oct 28 01:06:53 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:06:53 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRhA-m1Y5oKTnstXVReejZP5OAm5AGS4ThF43T@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>	<20101028051652.148ed680@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<AANLkTimRhA-m1Y5oKTnstXVReejZP5OAm5AGS4ThF43T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC904ED.8060303@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/27/2010 11:15 PM, Robert Howard wrote:
> I believe this is occurring before the nvidia driver gets involved. Have you
> tried downgrading nvidia?

Not yet, but I don't know what else could have caused this. I have used scan
(same thing as just pressing enter) and I get about 50 valid modes to enter.
Everything thing from vga to 1920x1200. I have tried entering the listed modes
(e.g. 31A) and it just gives me the same 'invalid mode' prompt.

I've been through the KMS page that just refers you to
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA for nvidia cards. This card is an
8800GT so I have always used:

# pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils

to install the driver and I've never had any issues. I haven't specifically set
anything for KMS with nvidia boxes. So I'm at a loss at what changed.

The problem I have is that I don't know what process does the mode check and
then throws the invalid mode error? Is it a kernel process, nvidia driver
process. (I suspect a driver process since it is setting the framebuffer, but I
could be totally wrong)

I'm open to all suggestions. I'll give the downgrade a try tomorrow or Friday
when I get a chance. Thanks for the suggestions.


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From lists at baums-on-web.de  Thu Oct 28 07:19:31 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:19:31 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <4CC904ED.8060303@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101028051652.148ed680@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<AANLkTimRhA-m1Y5oKTnstXVReejZP5OAm5AGS4ThF43T@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC904ED.8060303@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101028131931.632baaed@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:06:53 -0500
schrieb "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com>:

> Not yet, but I don't know what else could have caused this. I have
> used scan (same thing as just pressing enter) and I get about 50
> valid modes to enter. Everything thing from vga to 1920x1200. I have
> tried entering the listed modes (e.g. 31A) and it just gives me the
> same 'invalid mode' prompt.
> 
> I've been through the KMS page that just refers you to
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA for nvidia cards. This
> card is an 8800GT so I have always used:
> 
> # pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils
> 
> to install the driver and I've never had any issues. I haven't
> specifically set anything for KMS with nvidia boxes. So I'm at a loss
> at what changed.
> 
> The problem I have is that I don't know what process does the mode
> check and then throws the invalid mode error? Is it a kernel process,
> nvidia driver process. (I suspect a driver process since it is
> setting the framebuffer, but I could be totally wrong)
> 
> I'm open to all suggestions. I'll give the downgrade a try tomorrow
> or Friday when I get a chance. Thanks for the suggestions.

This problem has nothing to do with the nvidia driver. The nvidia
driver is only for X.

And entering "scan" at this prompt is not the same as just pressing
Enter. Enter shows you all possible vesa modes. Entering "scan" shows
you only the modes which are valid for your video card.

And you need to decide whether you want to use KMS or not. If you want
to use KMS you need to remove the vga kernel parameter. Otherwise you
need to add the two kernel parameters vga and nomodeset (both of them)
to the kernel line of your bootloader.

Heiko

From vratil at progdansoft.com  Thu Oct 28 05:38:03 2010
From: vratil at progdansoft.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Dan_Vr=C3=A1til?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:38:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general]
	=?utf-8?q?New_nvidia_driver_-_video_mode_not_recog?=
	=?utf-8?q?nized_-__remove_vga=3D_from_kernel_line=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>

On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:36:52 -0500, "David C. Rankin"
<drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> 	To add to the nvidia issues, after update to the latest driver (nvidia
> 260.19.12-1) the machine stops during boot due to (Invalid video mode, press
> enter to see list....)
> 
> 	Pressing enter then lists the available modes. However, when I enter
> one of the
> listed modes, it is rejected and I get prompted again with the (Invalid video
> mode, press enter to see list....).
> 
> 	I don't know whether this is a bug, a KMS thing, or what, but I have
> never had
> any problems passing vga=0x31a on the kernel line with the nvidia
> driver before.
> (I know with ATI, KMS early is recommended, and no vga= on the kernel line)
> 
> 	Is anybody else seeing this? Should I just remove the vga= line?
> 
> 	After letting the (Invalid video mode, press enter to see list....) prompt
> time-out, it all continues fine and the nvidia driver loads without
> issue. What
> say the experts?


Hello David,

this cannot be related to nvidia drivers because of two things: 1) the
drivers are loaded after the kernel boots and 2) the proprietary nvidia
drivers do not support KMS (and according to nvidia they are not going
too in near future).

Make sure, you have nouveau blacklisted
(/etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf) because you don't need it when
you use the proprietary drivers and last time I tested it, it had
problems with the vga boot option.

Dan


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From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Thu Oct 28 07:59:58 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (killall_humans at lavabit.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:59:58 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] ath9k, ar928x, monitor mode
Message-ID: <20101028115958.GA8883@laptop>

If someone have this card  - please, test it. On 2.6.36 kernel monitor mode causes kernel panic, on .35 - simply doesn't work properly(channel of mon0 interface == -1).
-- 
WBR && GTFO


From christian08 at runbox.com  Thu Oct 28 09:05:01 2010
From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:05:01 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] A question about running Proftpd
Message-ID: <201010281505010593.0006D340@127.0.0.1>

Hi all,
Have just installed ProfTPD and if I run /etc/rc.d/proftpd start as root it stats just fine.
In /etc/proftpd.conf it says to run the server as the group nobody and the user nobody. I am just wondering what system level it's running on? Is the server now running as root or what privilegies does it have to the system?
I suppose it is not running as the root user then?
Many thanks for any info,
Christian


From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 09:18:10 2010
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:18:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] A question about running Proftpd
In-Reply-To: <201010281505010593.0006D340@127.0.0.1>
References: <201010281505010593.0006D340@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinS3nDR6hKxsCaSLN-i=JK4A2yosmgxbmWZ3yWR@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Christian <christian08 at runbox.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Have just installed ProfTPD and if I run /etc/rc.d/proftpd start as root it
> stats just fine.
> In /etc/proftpd.conf it says to run the server as the group nobody and the
> user nobody. I am just wondering what system level it's running on? Is the
> server now running as root or what privilegies does it have to the system?
> I suppose it is not running as the root user then?
> Many thanks for any info,
> Christian
>
>
"ps aux | grep proftpd" will tell you which user is running proftpd.
As stated in the conf file, it should drop privileges on start to run as the
user currently configured in this file. And it does that. Here is the output
of ps:

nobody   19657  0.0  0.0  49924  1964 ?        Ss   15:17   0:00 proftpd:
(accepting connections)

-- 
C?dric Girard

From mareknik at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 10:08:26 2010
From: mareknik at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyZWsgTmlrbMOtxI1law==?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:08:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] ath9k, ar928x, monitor mode
In-Reply-To: <20101028115958.GA8883@laptop>
References: <20101028115958.GA8883@laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-_n6dThKU7mYp1-h4ZS2SW4W1WBbZgDz18Pbu@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/28  <killall_humans at lavabit.com>:
> If someone have this card ?- please, test it. On 2.6.36 kernel monitor mode causes kernel panic, on .35 - simply doesn't work properly(channel of mon0 interface == -1).
> --
> WBR && GTFO
>
>

I can confirm that monitor mode causes a kernel panic with 2.6.36, but
with 2.6.35 it works here.

lspci -k:
05:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X
Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
        Subsystem: Foxconn International, Inc. Device e01f
        Kernel driver in use: ath9k
        Kernel modules: ath9k

From killall_humans at lavabit.com  Thu Oct 28 10:55:24 2010
From: killall_humans at lavabit.com (killall_humans at lavabit.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:55:24 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] ath9k, ar928x, monitor mode
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-_n6dThKU7mYp1-h4ZS2SW4W1WBbZgDz18Pbu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101028115958.GA8883@laptop>
	<AANLkTim-_n6dThKU7mYp1-h4ZS2SW4W1WBbZgDz18Pbu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101028145524.GA7384@laptop>

> with 2.6.35 it works here.

Well, i think it appears in aircrack-ng for me.
I'll send bugreport, we'll see.


From pentie at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 11:41:17 2010
From: pentie at gmail.com (BOYPT)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:41:17 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] ath9k, ar928x, monitor mode
In-Reply-To: <20101028145524.GA7384@laptop>
References: <20101028115958.GA8883@laptop>
	<AANLkTim-_n6dThKU7mYp1-h4ZS2SW4W1WBbZgDz18Pbu@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101028145524.GA7384@laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Xs7pSkBFFOe0mPmvM1i2H8_f=55_k0qjhqsvg@mail.gmail.com>

confirmed.

While my card doen't work porperty with 2.6.35/36, randomly invalid leaving
such in dmesg:

Call Trace:
 [<c12e64dd>] ? printk+0x18/0x1b
 [<c1097037>] __report_bad_irq.clone.1+0x27/0x90
 [<c1095b94>] ? handle_IRQ_event+0x44/0x1a0
 [<c10971f2>] note_interrupt+0x152/0x190
 [<c1097d0b>] handle_fasteoi_irq+0x9b/0xc0
 [<c1005d68>] handle_irq+0x18/0x30
 [<c1005a47>] do_IRQ+0x47/0xc0
 [<c1106fc4>] ? sys_poll+0x54/0xd0
 [<c1003d30>] common_interrupt+0x30/0x38
 [<c12e0000>] ? detect_extended_topology+0x7d/0x182
handlers:
[<fa3eb1a0>] (ath_isr+0x0/0x1f0 [ath9k])
Disabling IRQ #17


On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:55 PM, <killall_humans at lavabit.com> wrote:

> > with 2.6.35 it works here.
>
> Well, i think it appears in aircrack-ng for me.
> I'll send bugreport, we'll see.
>
>


-- 
Arch Linuxer, Pythoner, Geek
--> Blog: http://apt-blog.net

From vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org  Thu Oct 28 11:46:15 2010
From: vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org (Attila)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:46:15 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
	remove vga= from kernel line?
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101028051652.148ed680@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<AANLkTimRhA-m1Y5oKTnstXVReejZP5OAm5AGS4ThF43T@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CC904ED.8060303@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101028131931.632baaed@darkstar.galaxy.all>
Message-ID: <7fiop7xkau.ln2@news.arcor.de>

At Donnerstag, 28. Oktober 2010 13:19 Heiko Baums wrote:

> And you need to decide whether you want to use KMS or not. If you want
> to use KMS you need to remove the vga kernel parameter. Otherwise you
> need to add the two kernel parameters vga and nomodeset (both of them)
> to the kernel line of your bootloader.

I don't have nomodeset but "blacklist nouveau" in one of the files from 
/etc/modprobe.d. This works too.

See you, Attila



From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Thu Oct 28 19:03:09 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:03:09 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>
Message-ID: <4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/28/2010 04:38 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
> Hello David,
> 
> this cannot be related to nvidia drivers because of two things: 1) the
> drivers are loaded after the kernel boots and 2) the proprietary nvidia
> drivers do not support KMS (and according to nvidia they are not going
> too in near future).
> 
> Make sure, you have nouveau blacklisted
> (/etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf) because you don't need it when
> you use the proprietary drivers and last time I tested it, it had
> problems with the vga boot option.
> 
> Dan

Thank you Heika, Attila, Dan,

	The mystery still remains. I didn't do it, but noveau was already blacklisted
on my box:

[17:32 archangel:/etc/modprobe.d] # l
total 32
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Oct 19 19:34 .
drwxr-xr-x 96 root root 12288 Oct 28 00:49 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   704 Jun 28 08:45 framebuffer_blacklist.conf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root    55 Jun  7  2009 modprobe.conf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root    18 Oct 18 09:28 nouveau_blacklist.conf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   196 Sep 18 17:58 usb-load-ehci-first.conf
[17:32 archangel:/etc/modprobe.d] # cat nouveau_blacklist.conf
blacklist nouveau

	Also, on the (press enter or scan issue), I'm sure you are 100% correct Heiko,
but no matter whether I press enter or issue scan with this 8800GT, the list of
modes returned is the same. Also, both enter or scan take the same amount of
time to complete -- at least on this box.

	If the proprietary driver doesn't support KMS and isn't going to for a while,
then I wonder what changed to make my normal kernel line (that I've used for
years) suddenly start causing the invalid mode error? The kernel line is:

kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_baaccajap5 ro vga=0x31a

	As a test, I booted LTS with the vga=0x31a and it booted fine and into the
correct framebuffer. So this is looking more and more kernel related.

	I have also booted Arch without vga= in the kernel line and I do NOT get the
invalid mode prompt, but then I'm left with a 640x480 framebuffer. That looks
terrible on a 23" display.

	Oddly, when I boot with vga= and get the error, somehow after the timeout, I
get the right framebuffer.

	I'm stumped. Any idea on "what could have changed?" that could be causing the
mode error?

-- 
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Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From nzeh at cs.dal.ca  Thu Oct 28 19:18:50 2010
From: nzeh at cs.dal.ca (Norbert Zeh)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:18:50 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>
	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101028231850.GL5452@cs.dal.ca>

I do have the /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf file on my machine,
too, but I remember that the nouveau kernel driver did get loaded until
I added !nouveau to the MODULES list in my rc.conf.  So

1)  Can you do an "lsmod | grep nouveau" to see whether nouveau maybe
    still gets loaded.  (If so, it might be interesting to learn why
    even though the above file is present.)

2)  If the answer to (1) is yes, try adding !nouveau to the MODULES list
    in rc.conf and see whether this fixes your problem.

Of course, I'm just guessing here.

Cheers,
Norbert

David C. Rankin [2010.10.28 1803 -0500]:
> On 10/28/2010 04:38 AM, Dan Vr?til wrote:
> > Hello David,
> > 
> > this cannot be related to nvidia drivers because of two things: 1) the
> > drivers are loaded after the kernel boots and 2) the proprietary nvidia
> > drivers do not support KMS (and according to nvidia they are not going
> > too in near future).
> > 
> > Make sure, you have nouveau blacklisted
> > (/etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf) because you don't need it when
> > you use the proprietary drivers and last time I tested it, it had
> > problems with the vga boot option.
> > 
> > Dan
> 
> Thank you Heika, Attila, Dan,
> 
> 	The mystery still remains. I didn't do it, but noveau was already blacklisted
> on my box:
> 
> [17:32 archangel:/etc/modprobe.d] # l
> total 32
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Oct 19 19:34 .
> drwxr-xr-x 96 root root 12288 Oct 28 00:49 ..
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   704 Jun 28 08:45 framebuffer_blacklist.conf
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root    55 Jun  7  2009 modprobe.conf
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root    18 Oct 18 09:28 nouveau_blacklist.conf
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   196 Sep 18 17:58 usb-load-ehci-first.conf
> [17:32 archangel:/etc/modprobe.d] # cat nouveau_blacklist.conf
> blacklist nouveau
> 
> 	Also, on the (press enter or scan issue), I'm sure you are 100% correct Heiko,
> but no matter whether I press enter or issue scan with this 8800GT, the list of
> modes returned is the same. Also, both enter or scan take the same amount of
> time to complete -- at least on this box.
> 
> 	If the proprietary driver doesn't support KMS and isn't going to for a while,
> then I wonder what changed to make my normal kernel line (that I've used for
> years) suddenly start causing the invalid mode error? The kernel line is:
> 
> kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_baaccajap5 ro vga=0x31a
> 
> 	As a test, I booted LTS with the vga=0x31a and it booted fine and into the
> correct framebuffer. So this is looking more and more kernel related.
> 
> 	I have also booted Arch without vga= in the kernel line and I do NOT get the
> invalid mode prompt, but then I'm left with a 640x480 framebuffer. That looks
> terrible on a 23" display.
> 
> 	Oddly, when I boot with vga= and get the error, somehow after the timeout, I
> get the right framebuffer.
> 
> 	I'm stumped. Any idea on "what could have changed?" that could be causing the
> mode error?
> 
> -- 
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
> Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
> 510 Ochiltree Street
> Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
> Telephone: (936) 715-9333
> Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
> www.rankinlawfirm.com


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From anthony at extof.me  Thu Oct 28 19:34:47 2010
From: anthony at extof.me (C Anthony Risinger)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:34:47 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <20101028231850.GL5452@cs.dal.ca>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>
	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com> <20101028231850.GL5452@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <-5302125898282424581@unknownmsgid>

On Oct 28, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Norbert Zeh <nzeh at cs.dal.ca> wrote:

> I do have the /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf file on my
> machine,
> too, but I remember that the nouveau kernel driver did get loaded
> until
> I added !nouveau to the MODULES list in my rc.conf.

I believe the proprietary driver package puts that blacklist file in
place.

See what package owns it with (IIRC):

# pacman -Qm  /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf

C Anthony [mobile]

From lists at baums-on-web.de  Thu Oct 28 19:43:48 2010
From: lists at baums-on-web.de (Heiko Baums)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:43:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>
	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101029014348.7df88550@darkstar.galaxy.all>

Am Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:03:09 -0500
schrieb "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com>:

> 	Also, on the (press enter or scan issue), I'm sure you are
> 100% correct Heiko, but no matter whether I press enter or issue scan
> with this 8800GT, the list of modes returned is the same. Also, both
> enter or scan take the same amount of time to complete -- at least on
> this box.
> 
> 	If the proprietary driver doesn't support KMS and isn't going
> to for a while, then I wonder what changed to make my normal kernel
> line (that I've used for years) suddenly start causing the invalid
> mode error? The kernel line is:
> 
> kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_baaccajap5 ro vga=0x31a
> 
> 	As a test, I booted LTS with the vga=0x31a and it booted fine
> and into the correct framebuffer. So this is looking more and more
> kernel related.

Have you tried to change vga=0x31a to a value which is shown when you
enter scan on the prompt? If not, please, do so. And, please, enter
"scan" and not only press Enter.

Have you added nomodeset to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst? If
not, please, do so.

This has nothing to do with the nvidia and nouveau driver, because at
this time there are no modules loaded.

Please, add both kernel parameters vga= with a valid value and
nomodeset to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst.

This line has to look like this:
kernel   /vmlinuz26 ... nomodeset ... vga=...

> 	I have also booted Arch without vga= in the kernel line and I
> do NOT get the invalid mode prompt, but then I'm left with a 640x480
> framebuffer. That looks terrible on a 23" display.

If you don't add the vga parameter to the kernel line you don't get a
framebuffer probably except if you are using KMS.

Heiko

From nbigaouette at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 20:35:07 2010
From: nbigaouette at gmail.com (Nicolas Bigaouette)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:35:07 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <20101029014348.7df88550@darkstar.galaxy.all>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>
	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101029014348.7df88550@darkstar.galaxy.all>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=So8fw8Xa8tqdSVNiZyCtgpdgLD8q1ZPd9W7LJ@mail.gmail.com>

It might have to do something with a module not being included in the
initrd?
Just guessing...

From d at falconindy.com  Thu Oct 28 21:57:19 2010
From: d at falconindy.com (Dave Reisner)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:57:19 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101029015719.GE6272@quake.falconindy.int>

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 09:36:52PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> 	To add to the nvidia issues, after update to the latest driver (nvidia
> 260.19.12-1) the machine stops during boot due to (Invalid video mode, press
> enter to see list....)
> 
> 	Pressing enter then lists the available modes. However, when I enter one of the
> listed modes, it is rejected and I get prompted again with the (Invalid video
> mode, press enter to see list....).
> 
> 	I don't know whether this is a bug, a KMS thing, or what, but I have never had
> any problems passing vga=0x31a on the kernel line with the nvidia driver before.
> (I know with ATI, KMS early is recommended, and no vga= on the kernel line)
> 
> 	Is anybody else seeing this? Should I just remove the vga= line?
> 
> 	After letting the (Invalid video mode, press enter to see list....) prompt
> time-out, it all continues fine and the nvidia driver loads without issue. What
> say the experts?
> 
> 

Specify the mode as decimal instead of hex -- in this case it'd be 794.

dave reisner

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 29 03:22:42 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:22:42 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <20101028231850.GL5452@cs.dal.ca>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101028231850.GL5452@cs.dal.ca>
Message-ID: <4CCA7642.9040109@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/28/2010 06:18 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> I do have the /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf file on my machine,
> too, but I remember that the nouveau kernel driver did get loaded until
> I added !nouveau to the MODULES list in my rc.conf.  So
> 
> 1)  Can you do an "lsmod | grep nouveau" to see whether nouveau maybe
>     still gets loaded.  (If so, it might be interesting to learn why
>     even though the above file is present.)

Sure, but I don't have it here:

[02:21 archangel:/etc/clamav] # lsmod | grep nouveau
<nothing>
> 
> 2)  If the answer to (1) is yes, try adding !nouveau to the MODULES list
>     in rc.conf and see whether this fixes your problem.
> 
> Of course, I'm just guessing here.
> 

That's OK, I'll take those to :)


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From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 29 03:24:05 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:24:05 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <-5302125898282424581@unknownmsgid>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101028231850.GL5452@cs.dal.ca>
	<-5302125898282424581@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <4CCA7695.3080605@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/28/2010 06:34 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Oct 28, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Norbert Zeh <nzeh at cs.dal.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I do have the /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf file on my
>> machine,
>> too, but I remember that the nouveau kernel driver did get loaded
>> until
>> I added !nouveau to the MODULES list in my rc.conf.
> 
> I believe the proprietary driver package puts that blacklist file in
> place.
> 
> See what package owns it with (IIRC):
> 
> # pacman -Qm  /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf
> 
> C Anthony [mobile]
> 

[02:23 archangel:/etc/clamav] # pacman -Qo  /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf
/etc/modprobe.d/nouveau_blacklist.conf is owned by nvidia 260.19.12-1

You are correct, Sir!

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Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 29 03:25:52 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:25:52 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <20101029014348.7df88550@darkstar.galaxy.all>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101029014348.7df88550@darkstar.galaxy.all>
Message-ID: <4CCA7700.5010705@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/28/2010 06:43 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Have you tried to change vga=0x31a to a value which is shown when you
> enter scan on the prompt? If not, please, do so. And, please, enter
> "scan" and not only press Enter.
> 

Yep, and 31A is show by scan. I've tried others as well. They all just keep
getting rejected for some reason?

I'll try nomodeset and report back.

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Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From ulf at winkelvos.de  Fri Oct 29 08:35:44 2010
From: ulf at winkelvos.de (Ulf Winkelvos)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:35:44 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=So8fw8Xa8tqdSVNiZyCtgpdgLD8q1ZPd9W7LJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>	<dfc4914cfd02b8309d39d44e83698889@localhost>	<4CCA012D.7030503@suddenlinkmail.com>	<20101029014348.7df88550@darkstar.galaxy.all>
	<AANLkTi=So8fw8Xa8tqdSVNiZyCtgpdgLD8q1ZPd9W7LJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CCABFA0.8020203@winkelvos.de>

On 29.10.2010 02:35, Nicolas Bigaouette wrote:
> It might have to do something with a module not being included in the
> initrd?
> Just guessing...
>
or maybe nouveau included in initrd? another wild guess.

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 29 08:47:29 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:47:29 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <20101029015719.GE6272@quake.falconindy.int>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101029015719.GE6272@quake.falconindy.int>
Message-ID: <4CCAC261.4060706@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/28/2010 08:57 PM, Dave Reisner wrote:
> Specify the mode as decimal instead of hex -- in this case it'd be 794.
> 

Dave,

	That worked! Thanks.  But, Grrrr., what changed to make whatever checks now not
like the hex designation? I have used the hex designation for at least a *decade*.

-- 
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Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From d at falconindy.com  Fri Oct 29 09:01:32 2010
From: d at falconindy.com (Dave Reisner)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:01:32 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <4CCAC261.4060706@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101029015719.GE6272@quake.falconindy.int>
	<4CCAC261.4060706@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101029130132.GG6272@quake.falconindy.int>

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 07:47:29AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 10/28/2010 08:57 PM, Dave Reisner wrote:
> > Specify the mode as decimal instead of hex -- in this case it'd be 794.
> > 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> 	That worked! Thanks.  But, Grrrr., what changed to make whatever checks now not
> like the hex designation? I have used the hex designation for at least a *decade*.
> 

I have no idea why this happens, but I came across this myself with my
htpc.

d

From steve.holmes88 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 11:37:32 2010
From: steve.holmes88 at gmail.com (Steve Holmes)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:37:32 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Postgresql-docs is Broken
Message-ID: <20101029153732.GA21736@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>

I just downloaded the latest 9.01 version of postgresql-docs which
supposedly should contain the html documentation for postgresql.
Alas, the package size is less than 1 K and when installed, a 
pacman -Qql
only reveals some man directories under /usr/share.  There are no
files present.  Is anyone aware of this situation?

From dpmcgee at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 11:44:41 2010
From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:44:41 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Postgresql-docs is Broken
In-Reply-To: <20101029153732.GA21736@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
References: <20101029153732.GA21736@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYxXLCoU5QsBjfq5KzO6YdXzmYzzWbpkgDoPOW@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Steve Holmes <steve.holmes88 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just downloaded the latest 9.01 version of postgresql-docs which
> supposedly should contain the html documentation for postgresql.
> Alas, the package size is less than 1 K and when installed, a
> pacman -Qql
> only reveals some man directories under /usr/share. ?There are no
> files present. ?Is anyone aware of this situation?

It is a bug, but this isn't the place for reporting it...
https://bugs.archlinux.org/?project=1

It is pretty easy to confirm yourself, note the difference in size and
the files list:
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/postgresql-docs/
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/postgresql-docs/

Finally, always include the arch of the package if it is not arch='any'.

-Dan

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 29 14:55:29 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:55:29 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New ghostscript segfaults with hylafax?
Message-ID: <4CCB18A1.3080202@suddenlinkmail.com>

Guys,

	Ghostscript segfaults when sending faxes with hylafax:

Oct 29 13:51:12 localhost kernel: gs[9456]: segfault at 8 ip 00000000007b62b0 sp
00007fff67f352a8 error 4 in gs[400000+6be000]

	This is with:

hylafax 6.0.4-1
ghostscript 9.00-1

	What do check (any logs other than everything.log?)  Any tests you can think of
to run?

	I know very little about the interplay between ghostscript and hylafax other
than it either works or it doesn't. So if anybody has any ideas on how to
diagnose, I welcome your thoughts.

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Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 29 16:34:53 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:34:53 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New ghostscript segfaults with hylafax?
In-Reply-To: <4CCB18A1.3080202@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <4CCB18A1.3080202@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CCB2FED.60107@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/29/2010 01:55 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> 	Ghostscript segfaults when sending faxes with hylafax:
> 
> Oct 29 13:51:12 localhost kernel: gs[9456]: segfault at 8 ip 00000000007b62b0 sp
> 00007fff67f352a8 error 4 in gs[400000+6be000]

FYI - I have also followed up with the hylafax devs and will forward any
additional information when received.

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Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri Oct 29 16:36:58 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:36:58 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
 remove vga= from kernel line?
In-Reply-To: <20101029130132.GG6272@quake.falconindy.int>
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>	<20101029015719.GE6272@quake.falconindy.int>	<4CCAC261.4060706@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101029130132.GG6272@quake.falconindy.int>
Message-ID: <4CCB306A.4020707@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/29/2010 08:01 AM, Dave Reisner wrote:
> I have no idea why this happens, but I came across this myself with my
> htpc.

Thanks Dave.

	Do you (all) think this needs a bug opened? There must be a reason why, but
given the lack of chatter I have seen about it, it must be fairly rare. Dunno if
it is worth chasing. Arch-dev thoughts?

-- 
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Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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From snowmaniscool at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 21:12:42 2010
From: snowmaniscool at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eric_B=E9langer?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:12:42 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] lvm2/device-mapper 2.02.75-1
Message-ID: <AANLkTinX8auiR0GgRuBz8SBYXfXfv8cmTtB+wuD7G5R_@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

lvm2/device-mapper 2.02.75-1 are now in testing for an upstream
update. Please test and signoff.  I couldn't test much the i686
package except in a chroot so 2 signoffs for i686 would be nice.
Signoff from users are welcome.

Eric

Version 2.02.75 - 25th October 2010
===================================
  Annotate more variables and parameters as const.
  Fix missing variable initialization in cluster_send() function from cmirrord.
  Fix pointer for VG name in _pv_resize_single error code path.
  Fix warning for changed alignment requirements for dmeventd read/write func.
  Add global/metadata_read_only to use unrepaired metadata in read-only cmds.
  Don't take write lock in vgchange --refresh, --poll or --monitor.
  Skip dm devices in scan if they contain only error targets or are empty.
  Fix strict-aliasing compile warning in partition table scanning.
  Fix pthread mutex usage deadlock in clvmd.
  Automatically extend snapshots with dmeventd according to policy in lvm.conf.
  Add activation/snapshot_autoextend_threshold/percent to lvm.conf.
  Fix liblvm2cmd link order to support --as-needed.
  Remove dependency on libm by replacing floor() by an integer-based algorithm.
  Fix hang when repairing a mirrored-log that had both devs fail.
  Convey need for snapshot-merge target in lvconvert error message and man page.
  Add devices/disable_after_error_count config to limit access to failing devs.
  Give correct error message when creating a too-small snapshot.
  Implement vgextend --restoremissing to reinstate missing devs that return.
  Make lvconvert respect --yes and --force when converting an inactive log.
  Refactor and add 'get' functions for lv properties/fields.
  Update script for fsadm testing.
  Better support of noninteractive shell execution of fsadm.
  Fix usage of --yes flag for ReiserFS resize in fsadm.
  Fix detection of mounted filesystems for fsadm when udev is used.
  Fix assignment of default value to LVM variable in fsadm.
  Fix support for --yes flag for fsadm.
  Do not execute lvresize from fsadm --dry-run.
  Fix fsadm return error code from user's break action.
  Allow CC to be overridden at build time (for 'scan-build make').
  Rename 'flags' to 'status' in struct metadata_area.
  Avoid segfault by limiting partial mode for lvm1 metadata. (2.02.74)
  Use dm_zalloc and dm_pool_zalloc throughout.
  Add pv_get_property and create generic internal _get_property function.
  Add 'get' functions for pv and vg properties/fields.
  Make generic GET_*_PROPERTY_FN macros with secondary macro for vg, pv & lv.
  Add tags_format_and_copy() common function and call from _tags_disp.
  Add id_format_and_copy() common function and call from _uuid_disp.
  Refactor report.c '*_disp' functions to call supporting functions.
  Move parts of metadata*.[ch] into new {pv|vg|lv}.[ch] files.
  Fix vg_read memory leak with directory-based metadata.
  Fix memory leak of config_tree in reinitialization code path.
  Fix pool destruction order in dmeventd_lvm2_exit() to avoid leak debug mesg.
  Read whole /proc/self/maps file before working with maps entries.
  Speed up unquoting of quoted double quotes and backslashes.
  Speed up CRC32 calculations by using a larger lookup table.


Version 1.02.56 - 25th October 2010
===================================
  Return const pointer from dm_basename() in libdevmapper.
  Implement dmeventd -R to restart without state loss.
  Add dm_zalloc and use it and dm_pool_zalloc throughout.
  Add --setuuid to dmsetup rename.
  Add dm_task_set_newuuid to set uuid of mapped device post-creation.

From d at falconindy.com  Fri Oct 29 22:40:34 2010
From: d at falconindy.com (Dave Reisner)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:40:34 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild
In-Reply-To: <4CCB7494.9070904@archlinux.org>
References: <4CBD255C.60901@archlinux.org> <4CC8FC42.1020302@archlinux.org>
	<20101029215917.15dfdf82@workstation64.home>
	<4CCB7494.9070904@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20101030024034.GH6272@quake.falconindy.int>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:27:48AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 30/10/10 05:59, Andreas Radke wrote:
> >Am Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:29:54 +1000
> >schrieb "Allan McRae"<allan at archlinux.org>:
> >
> >
> >>We only have the various openoffice packages left to go:
> >>
> >>go-openoffice
> >>openoffice-base
> >>openoffice-base-beta
> >>openoffice-base-devel
> >>
> >>That is close enough to done that I will move this rebuild from
> >>[staging] at the weekend regardless of their status.
> >>
> >>Allan
> >>
> >
> >Move all to testing and then I'll do the missing rebuilds. LibO will
> >probably also need rebuild.
> >
> 
> Rebuild is in [testing] now.   It appears that libreoffice does not
> need a rebuild.
> 
> Allan

I wouldn't be too sure about that:

$ soffice
/usr/lib/ooo-3.3/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared
libraries: libdb-4.8.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory


From allan at archlinux.org  Fri Oct 29 22:48:45 2010
From: allan at archlinux.org (Allan McRae)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:48:45 +1000
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild
In-Reply-To: <20101030024034.GH6272@quake.falconindy.int>
References: <4CBD255C.60901@archlinux.org>
	<4CC8FC42.1020302@archlinux.org>	<20101029215917.15dfdf82@workstation64.home>	<4CCB7494.9070904@archlinux.org>
	<20101030024034.GH6272@quake.falconindy.int>
Message-ID: <4CCB878D.5030708@archlinux.org>

On 30/10/10 12:40, Dave Reisner wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:27:48AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
>> On 30/10/10 05:59, Andreas Radke wrote:
>>> Am Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:29:54 +1000
>>> schrieb "Allan McRae"<allan at archlinux.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We only have the various openoffice packages left to go:
>>>>
>>>> go-openoffice
>>>> openoffice-base
>>>> openoffice-base-beta
>>>> openoffice-base-devel
>>>>
>>>> That is close enough to done that I will move this rebuild from
>>>> [staging] at the weekend regardless of their status.
>>>>
>>>> Allan
>>>>
>>>
>>> Move all to testing and then I'll do the missing rebuilds. LibO will
>>> probably also need rebuild.
>>>
>>
>> Rebuild is in [testing] now.   It appears that libreoffice does not
>> need a rebuild.
>>
>> Allan
>
> I wouldn't be too sure about that:
>
> $ soffice
> /usr/lib/ooo-3.3/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared
> libraries: libdb-4.8.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory
>

Ah... so it does...  It appears I had an old version in my cache when I 
tested it.

Allan

From vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org  Sat Oct 30 02:18:39 2010
From: vodoo0904 at sonnenkinder.org (Attila)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:18:39 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] New nvidia driver - video mode not recognized -
	remove vga= from kernel line?
References: <4CC8E1C4.1040102@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101029015719.GE6272@quake.falconindy.int>
	<4CCAC261.4060706@suddenlinkmail.com>
	<20101029130132.GG6272@quake.falconindy.int>
	<4CCB306A.4020707@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <vupsp7x6ls.ln2@news.arcor.de>

At Freitag, 29. Oktober 2010 22:36 David C. Rankin wrote:

>         Do you (all) think this needs a bug opened? There must be a reason 
why, but
> given the lack of chatter I have seen about it, it must be fairly rare. Dunno 
if
> it is worth chasing. Arch-dev thoughts?

More for upstream than for achlinux and perhaps it will very hard to find it. 
Some time ago i switched from 791 to 0x317 because of the same reason as you 
now. It seems for me normal user that one of this 2 ways works even better than 
the other. I would say that you can save your time and enjoy that it works now 
again.

See you, Attila


From gleira at gleira.com  Sat Oct 30 10:03:10 2010
From: gleira at gleira.com (Guillermo Leira)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:03:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] GDM Locked - is Gnome locked
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikP1mXfiUsRFPCqR3gXOhFbR6_pHGJFQKAXM0V0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=oWz0Q=VE1XZAUKBZBHSKGjeeNq9xqN6nWGS0V@mail.gmail.com>	<201010181037.29219.plewis@aur.archlinux.org>	<000701cb6eaf$7a1fd5f0$6e5f81d0$@com>	<20101019065134.715253EF82@smtp.postman.i2p>	<20101019085659.2F2823EFB8@smtp.postman.i2p>
	<AANLkTikP1mXfiUsRFPCqR3gXOhFbR6_pHGJFQKAXM0V0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb783b$2fc93470$8f5b9d50$@com>

> > On 06:51 Tue 19 Oct     , Guillermo Leira wrote:
> > > > After the last Pacman -Syu, I can't login with gdm. As soon as I clikc
> > on my
> > > > username, the system seems to freeze... Although not completely: I can
> > ping
> > > > from other computer, but I can't ssh.
> > > >
> > > > Before I click on the username, the "switch off" icon at the right down
> > corner
> > > > works. Once I click on the username, nothing else works, and I neither
> > can
> > > > ctrl-alt-F1 to the console...
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions/questions?
> > >
> > > I have removed GDM and installed SLIM. Now I can login, but the screen
> > shows nothing... And if I try to CTRL-ALT-F1 to the console, the system
> > locks again. It is not a GDM problem.
> > >
> > > If I run startx from the command line, X starts.
> > >
> > > Any advice?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Guillermo
> > >
> >
> > Hi Guillermo,
> >
> > try and make yourself a new user. If that one can work with the X-part of
> > your system - then some rights in your local $HOME directory are broken
> > (.xinitrc
> > would be a candidate for this kind of weird behaviour, but also
> > .ICEauthority or .Xauthority).
> > If of cause the new user account does have the same problems, your /etx/X11
> > or worse might have wrong user rights.
> > Have also a look i a file called .xerrors, .xsession-errors  - or something
> > like that (can't remember the correct name anymore), there could be some
> > hints in
> > it, if it does exist, what your problem is.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >
> When you run Slim, you also get a /var/log/slim.log to look at.

I have tried to make a new user, but it has the same problem. I have started X as root, and works. Then I installed xfce, and it hangs as well. Twm runs fine for all users. Gnome and xfce hang even for root.

The .xsession-errors file is not updated. It is dated a couple of months ago...

I have created an .xinitrc for root, and it also gets locked when I select gnome or xfce.

As the system gets completely locked, I have to power cycle it, and the Xorg log files have 0 bytes when I reboot...

I checked KMS. I included intel_agp and i915 in mkinitcpio.conf, but it seems to be unrelated to the problem, as twm works.

Help... :-(

I don't even know what to look for. And I wouldn't like to reinstall the system (that would be too easy).

Best Regards,

Guillermo Leira



From steve.holmes88 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 11:52:20 2010
From: steve.holmes88 at gmail.com (Steve Holmes)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:52:20 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Postgresql-docs is Broken
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYxXLCoU5QsBjfq5KzO6YdXzmYzzWbpkgDoPOW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101029153732.GA21736@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<AANLkTimYxXLCoU5QsBjfq5KzO6YdXzmYzzWbpkgDoPOW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101030155220.GA31876@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:44:41AM -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
> It is a bug, but this isn't the place for reporting it...
> https://bugs.archlinux.org/?project=1
> 
> It is pretty easy to confirm yourself, note the difference in size and
> the files list:
> http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/postgresql-docs/
> http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/postgresql-docs/
> 
> Finally, always include the arch of the package if it is not arch='any'.
> 

I will take a look at the links shortly but in the meantime, I tried
to look in the /var/abs/extra for postgresql-docs and there is no
directory with PKGBUILD or anything for postresql-docs nor
postgresql-lib.  I thought abs was supposed to contain the PKGBUILDs
and related files for all packages in the Arch repos.

What am I missing here?

From kaz.rag at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 12:58:12 2010
From: kaz.rag at gmail.com (Kazuo Teramoto)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:58:12 -0200
Subject: [arch-general] Postgresql-docs is Broken
In-Reply-To: <20101030155220.GA31876@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
References: <20101029153732.GA21736@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<AANLkTimYxXLCoU5QsBjfq5KzO6YdXzmYzzWbpkgDoPOW@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101030155220.GA31876@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTino_mUkwktsk0GobJaNRO3Ot4xPV3BHswZoqNS0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Steve Holmes <steve.holmes88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will take a look at the links shortly but in the meantime, I tried
> to look in the /var/abs/extra for postgresql-docs and there is no
> directory with PKGBUILD or anything for postresql-docs nor
> postgresql-lib. ?I thought abs was supposed to contain the PKGBUILDs
> and related files for all packages in the Arch repos.
>
> What am I missing here?
>

Looking harder =]

/var/abs/extra/postgresql/PKGBUILD

Its is a split package.

-- 
?Dans la vie, rien n'est ? craindre, tout est ? comprendre?
Marie Sklodowska Curie.

From t.powa at gmx.de  Sat Oct 30 16:15:40 2010
From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:15:40 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] hdparm-9.35-1
Message-ID: <201010302215.41388.t.powa@gmx.de>

Hi guys,
please signoff both arches

greetings
tpowa
-- 
Tobias Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
tpowa at archlinux.org
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From steve.holmes88 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 17:44:09 2010
From: steve.holmes88 at gmail.com (Steve Holmes)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:44:09 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Postgresql-docs is Broken
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTino_mUkwktsk0GobJaNRO3Ot4xPV3BHswZoqNS0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101029153732.GA21736@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>
	<AANLkTimYxXLCoU5QsBjfq5KzO6YdXzmYzzWbpkgDoPOW@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20101030214409.GA2327@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 02:58:12PM -0200, Kazuo Teramoto wrote:
> > What am I missing here?
> >
> 
> Looking harder =]
> 
> /var/abs/extra/postgresql/PKGBUILD
> 
> Its is a split package.

Interesting.  I've never seen a split package like that before.  In
fact, the previous version of the postgresql package was not
constructed that way.  This change in the PKGBUILD appears to have
shown up with this 9.1 version.

I'm in the process of rebuilding the package now to see if I can get
the docs available.

From t.powa at gmx.de  Sun Oct 31 01:55:55 2010
From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 06:55:55 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.35.8-1
Message-ID: <201010310656.03020.t.powa@gmx.de>

Upstream update. This package is NOT in testing (2.6.35 currently
resides there), but at:
http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/kernel26/

please signoff for both arches.

greetings
tpowa
-- 
Tobias
Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer
(tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
tpowa at archlinux.org

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From t.powa at gmx.de  Sun Oct 31 06:38:46 2010
From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:38:46 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-lts 2.6.32.25-2
Message-ID: <201010311138.53006.t.powa@gmx.de>

Latest kernel is in testing,
adopted changes from main kernel config:
- added more cpus for x86_64
- added tomoyo support
- disabled rds modules
- build in rtc into the kernel
- added pcieaspm option

please signoff for both arches.

greetings
tpowa
-- 
Tobias
Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer
(tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
tpowa at archlinux.org

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From ibiru at archlinux.org  Sun Oct 31 07:50:50 2010
From: ibiru at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?SW9udcibIELDrnJ1?=)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:50:50 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-lts 2.6.32.25-2
In-Reply-To: <201010311138.53006.t.powa@gmx.de>
References: <201010311138.53006.t.powa@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4CCD581A.1020802@archlinux.org>

On 10/31/2010 12:38 PM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:
> Latest kernel is in testing,
> adopted changes from main kernel config:
> - added more cpus for x86_64
> - added tomoyo support
> - disabled rds modules
> - build in rtc into the kernel
> - added pcieaspm option
>
> please signoff for both arches.
>
> greetings
> tpowa

signoff x86_64

-- 
Ionu?

From 2fzweb at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 12:17:48 2010
From: 2fzweb at gmail.com (simpleLinux)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 00:17:48 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] How to approve Linux distributions into Distrowatch?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimnaZoYhW4c9tJX+AG=tWCCsozo69z4Ec+rVRrt@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

How do I approve a Linux distributions just like other's did make into the
database? I hate waiting list. Please, if I approved, I will be the one and
only, first Linux distributions that approved on Malaysia. please

I hope you all could help me I'll do anything

-- 
Fariz Luqman
The Chairman of SimpleLinux
Visit: http://www.simplelinux.tk

"There IS a Malaysian Linux Distro"

From remyoudompheng at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 13:29:25 2010
From: remyoudompheng at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9my_Oudompheng?=)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:25 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-lts 2.6.32.25-2
In-Reply-To: <201010311138.53006.t.powa@gmx.de>
References: <201010311138.53006.t.powa@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimNGd8mfO2ArKohzxFr6qNt9x-ZHdLu7oVAfEa9@mail.gmail.com>

Tobias Powalowski <t.powa at gmx.de>:
> Latest kernel is in testing,
> adopted changes from main kernel config:
> - added more cpus for x86_64
> - added tomoyo support
> - disabled rds modules
> - build in rtc into the kernel
> - added pcieaspm option
>
> please signoff for both arches.

signoff i686

-- 
R?my.

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Sun Oct 31 17:00:58 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:00:58 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.35.8-1 (BUG - x86_64
 Fails to Boot - see closed bug 20918)
In-Reply-To: <201010310656.03020.t.powa@gmx.de>
References: <201010310656.03020.t.powa@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4CCDD90A.801@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/31/2010 12:55 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:
> Upstream update. This package is NOT in testing (2.6.35 currently
> resides there), but at:
> http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/kernel26/
> 
> please signoff for both arches.
> 
> greetings
> tpowa

Tobias,

	Updated an x86_64 box to 2.6.35.8-1 and the boot hangs at the very start with
the following error:

Booting 'Arch Linux on Archangel'

root (hd1,5)
  Filesystem type is ext2fs, Partition type 0x83
Kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_baacca_jap5 ro vga=794

Error 24: Attempt to access block outside partition

Press any key to continue...


	This is the same boot problem we have seen with 4 out of 6 of the past new
kernel releases. This is the same issue reported in closed bug 20918. It looks
like there has been a regression. All of the information in bug 20918 is current
for this box. Let me know what else you need and if you want me to reopen the
bug report.

	Thanks.

P.S. kernel26-lts-2.6.32.25-2-x86_64 boots just fine as does suse 11.
Downgrading to kernel26-2.6.35.7-1-x86_64 fixes the problem, so the issue is
with 2.6.35.8-1.


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From thomas at archlinux.org  Sun Oct 31 17:32:27 2010
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:32:27 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.35.8-1 (BUG - x86_64
 Fails to Boot - see closed bug 20918)
In-Reply-To: <4CCDD90A.801@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <201010310656.03020.t.powa@gmx.de>
	<4CCDD90A.801@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CCDE06B.7070605@archlinux.org>

Am 31.10.2010 22:00, schrieb David C. Rankin:
> 	Updated an x86_64 box to 2.6.35.8-1 and the boot hangs at the very start with
> the following error:
> 
> Booting 'Arch Linux on Archangel'
> 
> root (hd1,5)
>   Filesystem type is ext2fs, Partition type 0x83
> Kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_baacca_jap5 ro vga=794
> 
> Error 24: Attempt to access block outside partition
> 
> Press any key to continue...

That's a grub error and has no relation to any kernel update.

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From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Sun Oct 31 17:34:23 2010
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:34:23 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-lts 2.6.32.25-2
In-Reply-To: <4CCD581A.1020802@archlinux.org>
References: <201010311138.53006.t.powa@gmx.de> <4CCD581A.1020802@archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <4CCDE0DF.2030402@suddenlinkmail.com>

On 10/31/2010 06:50 AM, Ionu? B?ru wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 12:38 PM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:
>> Latest kernel is in testing,
>> adopted changes from main kernel config:
>> - added more cpus for x86_64
>> - added tomoyo support
>> - disabled rds modules
>> - build in rtc into the kernel
>> - added pcieaspm option
>>
>> please signoff for both arches.
>>
>> greetings
>> tpowa
> 
> signoff x86_64
> 

+1

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com

From ngoonee at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 19:11:03 2010
From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:11:03 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] How to approve Linux distributions into
 Distrowatch?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimnaZoYhW4c9tJX+AG=tWCCsozo69z4Ec+rVRrt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimnaZoYhW4c9tJX+AG=tWCCsozo69z4Ec+rVRrt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1288566663.8588.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 00:17 +0800, simpleLinux wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How do I approve a Linux distributions just like other's did make into the
> database? I hate waiting list. Please, if I approved, I will be the one and
> only, first Linux distributions that approved on Malaysia. please
> 
> I hope you all could help me I'll do anything
> 

Hi, I assume you're Fariz,

First I've heard of a Malaysian distro. I think its great that it exists
(I don't even know anyone else from Malaysia using Linux besides some
Ubuntu users in my uni and the lowyat fellas, all Ubuntu/Fedora as
well).

Your question isn't really suitable for this list though. I'm sure
there's some FAQ or related on distrowatch detailing the process.

Cheers,
Ng Oon-Ee

P.S. - oh, having 1Malaysia on a Linux distro is a bit too nationalistic
I think =). Linux is worldwide, after all.