[arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

[Jelle van der Waa]

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 19:23 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:09:43 pm Sander Jansen wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear <yaro at marupa.net> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > 
> > >> - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really
> > >> easy to test without breaking the system.
> > > 
> > > You can do this? I might try it out. If it works as expected in its stage
> > > of development, I'll quick being a jerk about it.
> > > 
> > > Also, how does that work? Do you choose an init at some point?
> > 
> > See the wiki, it's a kernel boot parameter.
> > 
> > >> - If you installed vala 0.10, systemd-git won't build, even though gtk
> > >> is disabled. This is a bug in the configure script of systemd.
> > >> Solution would be either to install vala-0.11 or remove vala from your
> > >> system.
> > > 
> > > I'm confused by this. Do you mean that vala's conflicting something out
> > > of the system or just causing a breakage in some way?
> > 
> > There's a bug in configure script. It works fine if you don't have
> > vala installed, but if you do have it installed it will bark at you if
> > you have the wrong version.
> > 
> > >> - I guess the initscripts-systemd is listed as an optional dependency
> > >> of systemd, but I'm not sure how usefull systemd is without it...?
> > > 
> > > Though I don't 100% know how systemd is, don't all init systems need
> > > scripts to be useful? I would think that installing systemd's
> > > initscripts would be important for it to do its work.
> > 
> > Yeah, this is more a packaging issue.
> > 
> > >> - The login console seems to be slightly messed up. I can login, but
> > >> error/log messages keep being send to the terminal as well.
> > > 
> > > What are the messages? Is there a bug in the bug tracker about this or is
> > > this purely an upstream concern?
> > 
> > Just stderr output from the various daemons running. I'm guessing it
> > goes to the wrong terminal.
> > 
> > >> - I know how I can change the default target on the boot line, but can
> > >> I set it anywhere else?
> > > 
> > > Is that how you would run one init system over another?
> > 
> > systemd has a concept of runlevels, but calls them targets. You can
> > override the default on the kernel boot line.
> > 
> > >> - sshd has listed network.service as a dependency, but what if you use
> > >> NetworkManager instead?
> > > 
> > > Would this be cause for a seperate set of daemon scripts just for systemd
> > > or are there plans to make it work with rc.conf in much the same way
> > > SysV does?
> > 
> > systemd has "unit" files that replace the traditional sysv daemon
> > scripts. They're much shorter and sweeter. The question was related to
> > whether sshd should list "network" which is arch's /etc/rc.d/network
> > script as a dependency.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Sander
> 
> I think I'll try this out. I'll be sure to file bug reports as necessary.

Can we move this discussion to the forums, if there is a a real ready
systemd replacement for archlinux, make the devs interested. 

Secondly on the forums probably the trolls won't reply ;)


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Jelle van der Waa
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