[arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

[David Benfell]

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On 08/14/2012 04:08 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Norbert Zeh <nzeh at cs.dal.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>> David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]:
>>> What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd
>>> here has been that it has been conflated with the discussion of
>>> pulseaudio. I think it is possible to like one and not the
>>> other.
>> 
>> <snip> Yet, Poettering's response to these kinds of complaints
>> are usually completely dismissive: it's ALSA's fault, your
>> hardware isn't working properly, etc, in spite of everything 
>> working flawlessly when pulseaudio doesn't get in the way.  So,
>> to me the problem with systemd is not so much that I am afraid of
>> changing to a new init system - I am not - it's the author.  What
>> if somewhere down the road things start to go wrong with systemd?
>> Is Poettering's response going to be again that systemd is
>> perfect and it's some other part of my system that's causing 
>> systemd to misbehave?  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
>> 
> This is due to the fact that pulseaudio utilizes the audio drivers
> in different ways than straight alsa, exposing previously unknown
> or ignored driver bugs. there is only so much pulseaudio can do to
> work around buggy drivers.
> 
I think Brandon's point, in its own way, supports Norbert's. It's the
classic technical support problem with multiple moving pieces with
each vendor pointing at the other one. And it seems that Poettering's
attitude is particularly unhelpful here, which means that *when* (I'm
not going to be so naive as to say *if*) such problems arise, we may
well need another way to deal with them. Perhaps that's what we should
be discussing here.

- -- 
David Benfell
benfell at parts-unknown.org
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