[arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

[Rémy Oudompheng]

On 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler <thomas at archlinux.org> wrote:
>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>>>>> 1./ Be a small simple binary
>>>>
>>>> The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's
>>>> /sbin/init, but not by much).
>>>
>>> But that binary alone is useless, and certainly not *simple*.
>>
>> /sbin/init from sysvinit alone is useless. What is your point?
>
> The rest are rather simple scripts (in the case of Arch Linux).
>
> And you are still ignoring the fact that systemd is anything but
> *simple*. How convenient to ignore that argument.

Here are my two cents about that:
* I don't care about having a faster boot if the sequence is incorrect
or buggy (or, worse, leaves me with an unbootable system)
* I don't care about having a simpler boot if it doesn't work
* I don't care about systemd or bash scripts as long as it is
maintained and bug-fixed.

The situation is:
* I hate bash
* I don't think bash scripts are simple at all
* The current initscripts do not do what I expect them to do (being
able to start services, notably when a dependency is not up).
* I don't think we have enough manpower to maintain bash scripts like
Debian folks do
* I don't think we are looking for a replacement to /sbin/init, but we
are definitely looking for a boot sequence that works

I am personnally open to having something else than systemd but I do
not see anyone showing an alternative.

Rémy.