[arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger <anthony at xtfx.me> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen <teg at jklm.no> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
> > <felipe.contreras at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so
> >>>> consider me a skeptic.
> >>>
> >>> That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling
> >>> anything.
> >>
> >> You are selling a distribution.
> >
> > We are? Damn. Where is my cut. Allan!?
> 
> :-)
> 
> it's interesting to me how so many can believe that
> OSS/distros/etc/etc are really driven and decided by the whimsical
> desires of the complete, mob-like user base.
> 
> open, collaborative development has only 5% to do with feel good
> all-for-one-and-one-for-all type shitz, and 95% to do with the needs
> of the investing/funding/contracting user-base, and/or the
> itches/scratches/interests of developers capable of architecting
> useful tools from mere ideas and/or hot air.
> 
> example: in the last ~2 months i've contributed code to ~4 different
> projects: 3 were fulfilling a *business* need for the company that
> employs me, relating to AMQP and [gag] SOAP, which frankly i could
> care less about and would actually prefer if they faded away forever
> ... but no, i FURTHERED them, because that's what the requirements
> called for; another project is a popular Python application server,
> and was furthered for both business and personal/pleasure reasons
> (interesting); only 1 was purely for fun, relating to Python -> JS
> translation ... a real challenge ...
> 
> alas, even the one for fun i did for *me* -- not to sound like an ass,
> but i don't much give two shitzs about everyone else's needs less they
> contribute competent code, or at the very least, competent thought and
> constructive ideas.  a little respect goes a long way ...
> 
> ... and on that same vein, i have next-to-nil patience for whining.
> the point of this ramble-esque message is to highlight the fact that
> 90% of what i output is business related, 30-40% of that is shit i
> wish would evaporate, and 10-20% is my personal
> interests/free-time-development (which i abandon and find other
> projects once it becomes boring and/or "un-fun")
> 
> SO! truth is the commercial fedoras/redhats and ubuntus out there are
> all a vibrant part of this process, and they WILL supply/shoulder the
> bulk of development.  buck up folks! just get used to it!  Arch plays
> a part too (yay python2 symlink! ;-) in various capacities, but
> software research/development and long-term maintenance of decadent
> tools is NOT that part.  why? because Arch is part of the 10-20%
> section of most developer's time -- ehm, you know, the part where they
> do what they !@#$%^& want -- so suck it up and make clear/concise
> contributions of code/thought/reason as best you can ... because this
> endless droning on RE:piddly-little-wah-wah-problems makes for really
> fscking boring reads.
> 

Relevant link:

http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Can-open-source-be-democratic-1663702.html