[arch-general] SystemD poll

[Sven-Hendrik Haase]

On 22.08.2012 02:48, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh at lutzhaase.com> wrote:
>> On 22.08.2012 02:10, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy <thegerdur at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better?
>>>> I'm newish to Unix style operating systems
>>> As I said; they are tried-and-true since *decades*, all the problems
>>> have been ironed out by slow small changes, so if somebody has
>>> problems they are probably hitting very few people.
>>>
>>> Switching to systemd is not a small change, it's a revolutionary
>>> change, with the potential to break many people's boot (it has broken
>>> things in Fedora, and openSUSE, and it's happening in Arch Linux as
>>> well). So, a sensible person would wait until a sensible time to make
>>> the big switch (which is clearly not now).
>>>
>> Arch is not sensible in the conservative sense. Being conservative here
>> means waiting for others to make the software more stable. This is not
>> really what Arch is about. We regularly move to software that is
>> just-about-enough stable to be used. As far as I am concerned, systemd is at
>> that point since I was able to convert my laptop to it without any problems
>> at all.
> So if it works for you, it will surely work for *everybody* else. I
> have seen this argument so many times that I'm starting to worry about
> the rationality of Arch Linux users and developers.

I said "As far as I am concerned, systemd is at that point since I was 
able to convert my laptop to it without any problems at all." You say I 
somehow said something along the lines of "As far as I am concerned, 
systemd is at that point since I was able to convert my laptop to it 
without any problems at all so it will surely work for *everybody* else."

I suppose you are mostly trolling at this point anyway but at least 
don't make it so obvious!

>
> Yes, it's good to be on the bleeding edge, but there's a difference
> between using the latest and greatest Linux kernel (stable one),
> glibc, gcc, or even python. But systemd is an entirely different
> beast, but apparently you are simply unable to understand how
> different it is.
>
> Go ahead make it the default, and if people start hitting problems
> (everything points they will, and they will be *bad*), you would have
> such massive complains that the recent discussions in arch-general
> would seem mild in comparison.

Well, we have a bug tracker for that. Go ahead and report some bugs.

>
> Nobody likes to have their system totally broken with no easy solution
> in sight for no reason.
>
> Cheers.
>

Obviously not.