[arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

[David Benfell]

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On 07/28/2012 02:20 PM, Menachem Moystoviz wrote:
> 
> In sum, systemd offers some benefits that are covered by other 
> programs and patches, while drawing much controversy and exacting a
> toll which seems a bit too large in the eyes of some users. For
> this reason, while we should add compatibility for systemd, we
> shouldn't force it down the users throats.
> 
Having just survived the conversion to systemd, I would offer a few
comments:

1) I learned stuff on this list that didn't seem to have been
available in the documentation. And I still don't feel I really have a
mastery of systemd service files. My feeling is that the man pages and
the wiki could probably use more work.

2) It looks to me like there is some ugliness on logging. The Arch
wiki suggests a change to the syslog-ng configuration file so that
syslog-ng can work with the systemd journal. The trouble I'm having
with that is that--these are the examples I know about--apache2 and
postfix do not seem willing to log in a way that the systemd journal
can pick up; these daemons apparently will only log through the
traditional syslog-ng channel, and are not compatible with the new
socket. I actually kind of like journalctl (it has a -f option so you
can monitor it like you used to be able to do with tail -f
/var/log/everything.log), but you really now have to do multiple
commands to get everything that everything.log used to get.

3) The conversion to systemd was mostly a lot of work. It wasn't
rocket science, though as noted above, I still don't feel I fully
understand what's going on. Many, many packages, especially in the
AUR, do not yet have service files. This leads me to suspect that
there is at least as much angst among package maintainers about all
this as we've seen on this list.

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David Benfell
benfell at parts-unknown.org
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