[arch-general] OT: Campaign against Secure Boot

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 14:12 -0700, Don deJuan wrote:
> On 06/25/2012 01:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 22:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 21:44 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> >>> On 25/06/12 21:18, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 21:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 20:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 20:37 +0200, Arno Gaboury wrote:
> >>>>>>> Once upon a time, I had a dream OSX would leed to some kind of "semi
> >>>>>>> open" OS, with lots of dev improvments from the community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PPPffff, it was long time ago, and was really naive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hahaha, when I searched for a successor for my Atari St, my first guess
> >>>>>> was Apple. It's not naive, since hardware is important, reliable
> >>>>>> hardware is important, unfortunately my moneybag ships with some
> >>>>>> limitations ;). I had the same dream. I won an iPad2 and can't use it,
> >>>>>> since Vbox + oracle-ext + XP SP2 can't handle it. No jailbreak until
> >>>>>> now, but I downloaded Absinth a long time ago, I simply wished to test a
> >>>>>> "legal" iPad for a while. My iPad2 is unable to get iBooks, so every
> >>>>>> elCheapo Ebookreader has more abilities than my iPad 2, just because I'm
> >>>>>> using Linux. It's not a fault of Linux, it's spirit of mischief by
> >>>>>> companies like M$ and Apfel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS: Do you know that there's a Apple community for old Apple OSs, I
> >>>>> guess before Apple switched to Intel? Even "gifted" Apple users don>'t
> >>>>                                          ^^^^^ at least (broken English,
> >>>> apologize)
> >>>>> follow the policy of Apple per se.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Could you guys keep it either ontopic and stop ranting about Microsoft
> >>> or Apple/OSX:
> >>> a) it doesn't help
> >>> b) it's a waste of your time, in that time you could have done something
> >>> usefull like contributing to an opensource project so that there are
> >>> better alternatives ;)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Pardon.
> >>
> >> We, at least I shouldn't waste the time of other people.
> >>
> >> No excuse for writing useless stuff, you're right, OTOH is it really
> >> time, that could be used for something better?
> >>
> >> Some people take "things" more or less serious.
> >> We are on a software mailing list ... software is a joke regarding to
> >> other simple issues such as
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_skinhead
> >> You might call it polemic and OT for this list. Ok, you might be right,
> >> where is the border? UEFI also is far away from the unconvincable
> >> Neo-Nazis ... well everything so far is good, so there's no reason to be
> >> polemic and in the end we'll chime in "we were not aware about it".
> >> Yes, lets be quiet, sorry again,
> >> Ralf
> >
> > And yes, I'm a German, half of my grandparents would agree with you, the
> > other half was killed in WWII, because they made too much noise. I've a
> > criminal record for absence of the German armed forces.
> >
> > In German we say "wehret den Anfängen".
> > Yes, I might be polemic, it might be completely useless, but do we know?
> >
> > UEFI dosen't kill people, so I must be a polemic German idiot. Any
> > hints, when freedom really is attached and when we should talk about it
> > are welcome.
> >
> > Oh, nobody today can get a criminal record for what I've done, the law
> > changed a little bit, because idiots like me where haunted and today
> > everybody has got a choice.
> >
> > Note! Evil companies aren't stupid, they know how far they can go, IOW,
> > they take care that many people guess that criticism could be confused
> > with grotesque paranoia or too much noise on a mailing list.
> >
> > I might be wrong, but you might be wrong too,
> > Ralf
> >
> WOW!!! I am an America/German Jew myself (1st generation here) and have 
> to say you're blending so many things unrelated with mediocre issues. 
> Secure Boot & MS & Apple DO NOT equal Hitler killing Jews!!!

I agree and I didn't claim something nearly similar to that.

> So why not just stick to Arch Linux topics and how they directly relate 
> to actual issues at hand, or how secure boot would/will effect Arch. 
> Endless rants of evil this is just like evil that, makes you sound as 
> nutty as Hitler was.
> 
> I honestly do not care if you are right or I am, but these ramblings are 
> moot to the point the OP sent to the list. To me personally you have 
> gone past the point of OT, way way past it.
> 
> I think everyone who cares about this IS aware of it and if they feel 
> there is truly something to worry about then actually put action to the 
> rambles you post, such as following the link. Please keep Hitler out of 
> these talks, to me it is moronic, not polemic, or you just like stirring 
> the shit pot to see what floats.

So where is the border of/fore (sorry, my English is broken) freedom
today? I got a criminal record in the 80's just because I said NO, I
WON'T KILL PEOPLE, today everybody is allowed to have this opinion in
Germany. Not because people were quiet, but because people like me joint
prison records, for not be willing to harm anybody.

Civil courage might make some people look like idiots, I don't care.

So without being polemic, where's the border, when we should be loud?
As an American Jew, please don't visit Eastern Germany. It's not welcome
in Germany to talk about it, but I still prefer that people don't be
killed by idiots.

I don't care if somebody is a Neo-Nazi or just a ruthless
politician/firm owner, since it doesn't mean a difference. Gay Nazis
killed other gays etc., please focus what was and today is the interest
oft people like Bill Gates.

There can't be too much noise. If I'm mistaken, resp. there might be an
overdose of output, use your spam filter, don't ban words.

2 Cents,
Ralf