[arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

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Very eloquently put brethren "+1"
On Sep 27, 2012 9:33 PM, "Martín Cigorraga" <msx at archlinux.us> wrote:

> While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also
> agree with all the following emails.
> Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about
> http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, thanks for that.
>
> I only want to add an observation to what was already said:
> Tipically all this flame seems to arise at the gates of new'n profound
> changes and as such it's perfectly understandable that these kind of things
> happens.
> We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who:
> 1. loves to know. While we are glad to solve a specific issue that's
> graying our hair, we will *not* be satisfied until we understand what the
> hell was happening and all the inner workings of that - that's a fact.
> 2. we don't like to let anybody hold our hand (well, I would let Eva Mendes
> hold mine... ) and as such we tend to be a bit grumpy about those users who
> come for help without actually _thinking_ about what can be the problem or
> at least without searching the forums, the wiki and the intertubes. On the
> other hand we are totally open to those folks that come with a problem
> explaining what's happenig, what they did and the results (in part because
> we enjoy solving these puzzles).
> 3. we are mostly self taught, autodidacts. As such we each develop an
> almost _unique_ way to interact with our systems and as such are our
> viewpoints about general GNU/Linux and F/LOSS and everything's else in
> life: yeah, we are free thinkers.
> 4. as a result of above we usually tailor our systems to our own personal
> taste and way to use it.
> 5. as a result of above we usually have a *strong* opinion about things,
> specially that things that may/will change the way we use our system - and
> here is when flames arise.
> 6. in the end we all love Arch with it's drawbacks -thankfully not many-
> and all it awesomeness, and deeply we know that while there are some
> aspects that aren't exactly the way we expect or at least how we would like
> them to be, the reality is that when we see how other distros works, when
> we have to deal with other distros because work, support to friends, our
> LUGs or anything else, we don't like them: while there may be some puntual
> things that may appeal to us the overall system _don't_! So Arch Linux's
> the way, what else? (At least this is how I feel regarding the rest of
> GNU/Linux distros since I first meet Arch a few years ago.)
>
> As a result of above I forsee more flaming in the future whenever a
> critical update or shift (like systemd is) come, that's shitty but's a
> natural reaction and thus we need to remain patient to passionate arguments
> and stubborn people - which in no way means to sacrifice our opinions.
> Regarding the flow of new users it's likely they *must* learn our house
> rules rather to we accomodate to them. I consider the forums, the wiki,
> this list and Arch Linux in general as my house in what F/LOSS regards and
> I don't like to see it vandalized - and wont allow that.
> A bit of trolling is funny as well too much politeness is insufferable and
> I can accomodate a low-hit if a say or ask for something stupid -and I will
> be the first to make laugh of myself for that- but newcomers should to be
> _clearly_ aware that we don't like nor support bad attitude and that we can
> hold their hands only to help them start: in this regard I can say Arch
> Linux is one of the most both friendly and connoisseur communities abroad
> GNU/Linux-land and I'm most grateful for it for help me start using this
> great distro when I first switched from *buntu-land.
>
> I'm but sure that now the systemd adoption is a fact we will have peaceful
> times ahead with the usual chit-chat and the new technologie seek-for-aid
> mails so I vote to give us -this list- some time before commit any change
> like splitting or anything else.
> Also I would like to encourage any dev, TU or skillful users that might
> have unsubscribed in the recent time to subscribe again an help push
> arch-general to it's greatest potential.
>
> Greetings!
>