From pdgiddie at gmail.com  Thu May  1 04:16:24 2014
From: pdgiddie at gmail.com (Paul Gideon Dann)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 09:16:24 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Optimizing boot
In-Reply-To: <CABNG1c14r4C5r-amkCNUXozWYNHgxv4-2mzB5AgFBGysO-wPdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACLfeX_AX1e9depVp-9g7r0CXzBZpfvqRB7T_Mh0TbrBC9A4iw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1519180.Bu0VdLa7sg@leto>
 <CABNG1c14r4C5r-amkCNUXozWYNHgxv4-2mzB5AgFBGysO-wPdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1866951.HrDuVICmJz@leto>

On Wednesday 30 Apr 2014 23:26:48 Rodrigo Rivas wrote:
> Although the original problem has already been solved, I'll post my
> trick to debug this kind of issues with systemd:
> 
> * Before doing the thing that causes the problem run as root
> `systemctl start debug-shell`. If the problem is in the boot sequence,
> then run `systemctl enable debug-shell` and then restart.
> * That unit will open a root shell in TTY9, so beware of the security
> issues if you let that enabled. This shell will be enabled from the
> early boot until the final shutdown.
> * When the system hangs, switch to TTY9, with Alt+F9 or Ctrl+Alt+F9
> and get access to the debug shell. There you can run `systemctl
> list-jobs` or `journalctl -b` to see what is wrong with your system.

Very useful; thank you. I wonder if you might write that up on the Wiki page for systemd?

Paul

From list at eworm.de  Thu May  1 06:33:58 2014
From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 12:33:58 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] linux 3.14.2-1 and toolchain
Message-ID: <20140501123358.50e1b8fb@leda.localdomain>

Hello everybody,

linux 3.14.2-1 has been compiled with new toolchain, gcc 4.9.0 explicitly.
Now that it is in [core] compiling modules breaks... The new toolchain should
be moved as soon as possible.
-- 
main(a){char*c=/*    Schoene Gruesse                         */"B?IJj;MEH"
"CX:;",b;for(a/*    Chris           get my mail address:    */=0;b=c[a++];)
putchar(b-1/(/*               gcc -o sig sig.c && ./sig    */b/42*2-3)*42);}
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From jeezusjr at gmail.com  Thu May  1 09:33:30 2014
From: jeezusjr at gmail.com (Jesus Alvarez)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 06:33:30 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] linux 3.14.2-1 and toolchain
In-Reply-To: <20140501123358.50e1b8fb@leda.localdomain>
References: <20140501123358.50e1b8fb@leda.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CADyuC9bbsyPrQ7J9To5M0v_GAOnUUpfHQnejTnQwZaLY5yrcWw@mail.gmail.com>

This is preventing the ZFS packages from building in AUR.

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Christian Hesse <list at eworm.de> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> linux 3.14.2-1 has been compiled with new toolchain, gcc 4.9.0 explicitly.
> Now that it is in [core] compiling modules breaks... The new toolchain should
> be moved as soon as possible.
> --
> main(a){char*c=/*    Schoene Gruesse                         */"B?IJj;MEH"
> "CX:;",b;for(a/*    Chris           get my mail address:    */=0;b=c[a++];)
> putchar(b-1/(/*               gcc -o sig sig.c && ./sig    */b/42*2-3)*42);}

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Thu May  1 11:20:45 2014
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 10:20:45 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] mc - why not alias mc-wrapper.sh as default
Message-ID: <5362664D.3020208@suddenlinkmail.com>

All,

  midnight commander provides a convenient script that allows exit to the
present working directory of mc instead of returning you to the directory in
which mc was started. All that is required is a simple alias:

  alias mc='. /usr/lib/mc/mc-wrapper.sh'

  This simply invokes mc with the -P option saving the present dir to a tmp
file, then changing to it on exit.

  Any reason not to make this the default?

  Just a convenience suggestion with a simple fix -- for consideration.

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 17:07:07 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 14:07:07 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8
	UEFI laptop
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>

This is insanity...   The first time I have encountered the much maligned
Micro$oft UEFI / Secure Boot adventure.  On my new Thinkpad Yoga, with a
Wacom active digitizer and pen.

Ubuntu was a walk in the park.  I installed Ubuntu naively, alongside the
new Windows 8.1 laptop.  It took maybe an hour to break my resolve to take
my time.  It was a disconcerting experience.  I now have a system that
boots Ubuntu 2014.04, through a convoluted process of signing into Windoze,
then  backing out through advanced settings to boot from a Menu.   If I
were trying to lock in my customer base, I couldn't have designed it any
better, or made it any more uncomfortable, myself.  Ubuntu picks up the
Wacom pen, and almost everything else.  But it's not Archlinux.

I am a bit fearful, but decided that Archlinux, which I am using on two
other machines, would potentially be the better choice.

I have two more partitions, one of a /home and another for an Arch /boot,
so I went ahead and walked through the most of the install, except for
installing the boot manager.

I am stuck now.  I don't want to compromise what I have already gained.
Now I need to learn how to set up the system to boot any of the three OSs.

I am puzzled by the variety of approaches I have seen; hence, I am reaching
out here on the mailing list.

I saw advice to use GRUB but install it in the boot PARTITION.  Not sure
how to do this, and not sure whether it will work.


Does this make sense to anyone?

Alan

From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Thu May  1 17:24:05 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 23:24:05 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
Message-ID: <1398979445.7904.82.camel@archlinux>

Oops, I used the wrong account.

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From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
To: arch-general at archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
Windows 8 UEFI laptop
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 23:18:49 +0200
Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4 

I didn't read it, but perhaps you should read it:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB_EFI_Examples


-- 
Please compare Leonardo da Vinci with Albert Einstein, regarding to
scientific insights and compare his drawings with Richard Corben
regarding to drawing the human anatomy, before you recommend, that we
could learn something by taking care about Leonardo da Vinci. Leonardo
da Vinci is obsolet.


From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 17:27:43 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 17:27:43 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>

On 01/05/14 05:07 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> This is insanity...   The first time I have encountered the much maligned
> Micro$oft UEFI / Secure Boot adventure.  On my new Thinkpad Yoga, with a
> Wacom active digitizer and pen.
> 
> Ubuntu was a walk in the park.  I installed Ubuntu naively, alongside the
> new Windows 8.1 laptop.  It took maybe an hour to break my resolve to take
> my time.  It was a disconcerting experience.  I now have a system that
> boots Ubuntu 2014.04, through a convoluted process of signing into Windoze,
> then  backing out through advanced settings to boot from a Menu.   If I
> were trying to lock in my customer base, I couldn't have designed it any
> better, or made it any more uncomfortable, myself.  Ubuntu picks up the
> Wacom pen, and almost everything else.  But it's not Archlinux.
> 
> I am a bit fearful, but decided that Archlinux, which I am using on two
> other machines, would potentially be the better choice.
> 
> I have two more partitions, one of a /home and another for an Arch /boot,
> so I went ahead and walked through the most of the install, except for
> installing the boot manager.
> 
> I am stuck now.  I don't want to compromise what I have already gained.
> Now I need to learn how to set up the system to boot any of the three OSs.
> 
> I am puzzled by the variety of approaches I have seen; hence, I am reaching
> out here on the mailing list.
> 
> I saw advice to use GRUB but install it in the boot PARTITION.  Not sure
> how to do this, and not sure whether it will work.
> 
> 
> Does this make sense to anyone?
> 
> Alan
> 

You shouldn't have a separate boot partition. Install gummiboot or
refind to the existing FAT32 ESP partition and mount that as your /boot.
It's *easier* than dealing with MBR/BIOS because you can do it entirely
via EFI/Boot/BOOTX64 rather than messing with EFI entries.

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:02:59 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:02:59 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2Skbpio4Y6zOOEOXbojk770T=MkLT8mF9W5D+=pWwWf8g@mail.gmail.com>

This looks interesting, and I am tempted to walk into the deep water.  It
raises some questions.

Will gummiboot or refind also find the Ubuntu partition?

The original partition structure of the machine there were four or five
partitions, and another one popped up in the higher end of the disk.   I
stumbled into the install, with the Ubuntu installer, and ended up with
four linux partitions in addition to the Windoze partitions.  At some point
I used gparted to resize, and this might have been the step that botched
the structure.  But in any event, I have three Linux partitions of 50G
each, and a swap partition.  Ubuntu is sitting in one of those partitions.

I have no idea what is an EFI partition.  I have seen instructions,
presumably for those who are wiping the Windows and starting from scratch,
to make an EFI partition.

I finally realized why there are so many partitions, and learned to use
gdisk when walking through the Archlinux install.

Here is a some information from the gdisk listing:

   Nbr   Size         Code   Name
  -----+------------+------+-------------------------
     1   1000.0 MiB   2700
     2   260.0 MiB    EF00     EFI system partition
     3   128.0 MiB    0C01    Microsoft reserved part
     4   49.6 GiB     0700      Basic data partition
     5   9.7 GiB      2700        Lenovo (?recovery?)
     6   10.0 GiB     8200       Linux SWAP
     7   49.4 GiB     8300       Archlinux /
     8   58.8 GiB     8300       /home
     9   1024.0 KiB   EF02     "bios_grub" (Ubuntu?)
    10   59.8 GiB     8300       UBUNTU /


Alan

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 05:07 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > This is insanity...   The first time I have encountered the much maligned
> > Micro$oft UEFI / Secure Boot adventure.  On my new Thinkpad Yoga, with a
> > Wacom active digitizer and pen.
> >
> > Ubuntu was a walk in the park.  I installed Ubuntu naively, alongside the
> > new Windows 8.1 laptop.  It took maybe an hour to break my resolve to
> take
> > my time.  It was a disconcerting experience.  I now have a system that
> > boots Ubuntu 2014.04, through a convoluted process of signing into
> Windoze,
> > then  backing out through advanced settings to boot from a Menu.   If I
> > were trying to lock in my customer base, I couldn't have designed it any
> > better, or made it any more uncomfortable, myself.  Ubuntu picks up the
> > Wacom pen, and almost everything else.  But it's not Archlinux.
> >
> > I am a bit fearful, but decided that Archlinux, which I am using on two
> > other machines, would potentially be the better choice.
> >
> > I have two more partitions, one of a /home and another for an Arch /boot,
> > so I went ahead and walked through the most of the install, except for
> > installing the boot manager.
> >
> > I am stuck now.  I don't want to compromise what I have already gained.
> > Now I need to learn how to set up the system to boot any of the three
> OSs.
> >
> > I am puzzled by the variety of approaches I have seen; hence, I am
> reaching
> > out here on the mailing list.
> >
> > I saw advice to use GRUB but install it in the boot PARTITION.  Not sure
> > how to do this, and not sure whether it will work.
> >
> >
> > Does this make sense to anyone?
> >
> > Alan
> >
>
> You shouldn't have a separate boot partition. Install gummiboot or
> refind to the existing FAT32 ESP partition and mount that as your /boot.
> It's *easier* than dealing with MBR/BIOS because you can do it entirely
> via EFI/Boot/BOOTX64 rather than messing with EFI entries.
>
>

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:06:11 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:06:11 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2Skbpio4Y6zOOEOXbojk770T=MkLT8mF9W5D+=pWwWf8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2Skbpio4Y6zOOEOXbojk770T=MkLT8mF9W5D+=pWwWf8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5362C553.4020702@gmail.com>

On 01/05/14 06:02 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> This looks interesting, and I am tempted to walk into the deep water.  It
> raises some questions.
> 
> Will gummiboot or refind also find the Ubuntu partition?

You should use the ESP (EFI system partition) to store all of the
kernels. The loader (gummiboot) will find the Windows loader along with
any kernels on that partition. You really aren't going to want separate
boot partitions.

> The original partition structure of the machine there were four or five
> partitions, and another one popped up in the higher end of the disk.   I
> stumbled into the install, with the Ubuntu installer, and ended up with
> four linux partitions in addition to the Windoze partitions.  At some point
> I used gparted to resize, and this might have been the step that botched
> the structure.  But in any event, I have three Linux partitions of 50G
> each, and a swap partition.  Ubuntu is sitting in one of those partitions.
> 
> I have no idea what is an EFI partition.  I have seen instructions,
> presumably for those who are wiping the Windows and starting from scratch,
> to make an EFI partition.
> 
> I finally realized why there are so many partitions, and learned to use
> gdisk when walking through the Archlinux install.
> 
> Here is a some information from the gdisk listing:
> 
>    Nbr   Size         Code   Name
>   -----+------------+------+-------------------------
>      1   1000.0 MiB   2700
>      2   260.0 MiB    EF00     EFI system partition
>      3   128.0 MiB    0C01    Microsoft reserved part
>      4   49.6 GiB     0700      Basic data partition
>      5   9.7 GiB      2700        Lenovo (?recovery?)
>      6   10.0 GiB     8200       Linux SWAP
>      7   49.4 GiB     8300       Archlinux /
>      8   58.8 GiB     8300       /home
>      9   1024.0 KiB   EF02     "bios_grub" (Ubuntu?)
>     10   59.8 GiB     8300       UBUNTU /

It's the one marked EFI system partition (ESP).

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:15:33 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:15:33 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362C553.4020702@gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2Skbpio4Y6zOOEOXbojk770T=MkLT8mF9W5D+=pWwWf8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362C553.4020702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2RB4nD7kFpZtsjFPhovrsgG=xC8ZZ19MXDjuLALxvviog@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition.  Would I move it to the ESP
partition, in that case?

And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ?

I have never used gummiboot.  Since the Arch system is already to go, but
not yet with a boot management setup, I should manually move that kernel to
the ESP partition as well?

Alan Davis


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 06:02 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > This looks interesting, and I am tempted to walk into the deep water.  It
> > raises some questions.
> >
> > Will gummiboot or refind also find the Ubuntu partition?
>
> You should use the ESP (EFI system partition) to store all of the
> kernels. The loader (gummiboot) will find the Windows loader along with
> any kernels on that partition. You really aren't going to want separate
> boot partitions.
>
> > The original partition structure of the machine there were four or five
> > partitions, and another one popped up in the higher end of the disk.   I
> > stumbled into the install, with the Ubuntu installer, and ended up with
> > four linux partitions in addition to the Windoze partitions.  At some
> point
> > I used gparted to resize, and this might have been the step that botched
> > the structure.  But in any event, I have three Linux partitions of 50G
> > each, and a swap partition.  Ubuntu is sitting in one of those
> partitions.
> >
> > I have no idea what is an EFI partition.  I have seen instructions,
> > presumably for those who are wiping the Windows and starting from
> scratch,
> > to make an EFI partition.
> >
> > I finally realized why there are so many partitions, and learned to use
> > gdisk when walking through the Archlinux install.
> >
> > Here is a some information from the gdisk listing:
> >
> >    Nbr   Size         Code   Name
> >   -----+------------+------+-------------------------
> >      1   1000.0 MiB   2700
> >      2   260.0 MiB    EF00     EFI system partition
> >      3   128.0 MiB    0C01    Microsoft reserved part
> >      4   49.6 GiB     0700      Basic data partition
> >      5   9.7 GiB      2700        Lenovo (?recovery?)
> >      6   10.0 GiB     8200       Linux SWAP
> >      7   49.4 GiB     8300       Archlinux /
> >      8   58.8 GiB     8300       /home
> >      9   1024.0 KiB   EF02     "bios_grub" (Ubuntu?)
> >     10   59.8 GiB     8300       UBUNTU /
>
> It's the one marked EFI system partition (ESP).
>
>

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:18:38 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:18:38 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2RB4nD7kFpZtsjFPhovrsgG=xC8ZZ19MXDjuLALxvviog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2Skbpio4Y6zOOEOXbojk770T=MkLT8mF9W5D+=pWwWf8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362C553.4020702@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2RB4nD7kFpZtsjFPhovrsgG=xC8ZZ19MXDjuLALxvviog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5362C83E.5050100@gmail.com>

On 01/05/14 06:15 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition.  Would I move it to the ESP
> partition, in that case?
> 
> And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ?
> 
> I have never used gummiboot.  Since the Arch system is already to go, but
> not yet with a boot management setup, I should manually move that kernel to
> the ESP partition as well?
> 
> Alan Davis

Yes, you should mount the ESP partition as /boot so the kernels get
installed there. Then install gummiboot and set up entries for Arch and
Ubuntu.

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:20:24 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:20:24 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2RB4nD7kFpZtsjFPhovrsgG=xC8ZZ19MXDjuLALxvviog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2Skbpio4Y6zOOEOXbojk770T=MkLT8mF9W5D+=pWwWf8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362C553.4020702@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2RB4nD7kFpZtsjFPhovrsgG=xC8ZZ19MXDjuLALxvviog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2QgobLziokzsERbLompKdK5VRptByGFPJDCRhOUDX-Erw@mail.gmail.com>

I see another level of complexity here, in a statement on a page about
Gummiboot on the wiki:

* Warning: *Gummiboot simply provides a boot menu for EFISTUB kernels. In
case you have issues booting EFISTUB kernels like in
FS#33745<https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/33745>,
you should use a boot loader which does not use EFISTUB, like
GRUB<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB>,
Syslinux <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux> or
ELILO<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bootloaders#ELILO>
.

Would grub work, using this, or a similar, approach?


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition.  Would I move it to the ESP
> partition, in that case?
>
> And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ?
>
> I have never used gummiboot.  Since the Arch system is already to go, but
> not yet with a boot management setup, I should manually move that kernel to
> the ESP partition as well?
>
> Alan Davis
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/14 06:02 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>> > This looks interesting, and I am tempted to walk into the deep water.
>>  It
>> > raises some questions.
>> >
>> > Will gummiboot or refind also find the Ubuntu partition?
>>
>> You should use the ESP (EFI system partition) to store all of the
>> kernels. The loader (gummiboot) will find the Windows loader along with
>> any kernels on that partition. You really aren't going to want separate
>> boot partitions.
>>
>> > The original partition structure of the machine there were four or five
>> > partitions, and another one popped up in the higher end of the disk.   I
>> > stumbled into the install, with the Ubuntu installer, and ended up with
>> > four linux partitions in addition to the Windoze partitions.  At some
>> point
>> > I used gparted to resize, and this might have been the step that botched
>> > the structure.  But in any event, I have three Linux partitions of 50G
>> > each, and a swap partition.  Ubuntu is sitting in one of those
>> partitions.
>> >
>> > I have no idea what is an EFI partition.  I have seen instructions,
>> > presumably for those who are wiping the Windows and starting from
>> scratch,
>> > to make an EFI partition.
>> >
>> > I finally realized why there are so many partitions, and learned to use
>> > gdisk when walking through the Archlinux install.
>> >
>> > Here is a some information from the gdisk listing:
>> >
>> >    Nbr   Size         Code   Name
>> >   -----+------------+------+-------------------------
>> >      1   1000.0 MiB   2700
>> >      2   260.0 MiB    EF00     EFI system partition
>> >      3   128.0 MiB    0C01    Microsoft reserved part
>> >      4   49.6 GiB     0700      Basic data partition
>> >      5   9.7 GiB      2700        Lenovo (?recovery?)
>> >      6   10.0 GiB     8200       Linux SWAP
>> >      7   49.4 GiB     8300       Archlinux /
>> >      8   58.8 GiB     8300       /home
>> >      9   1024.0 KiB   EF02     "bios_grub" (Ubuntu?)
>> >     10   59.8 GiB     8300       UBUNTU /
>>
>> It's the one marked EFI system partition (ESP).
>>
>>
>

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:28:40 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:28:40 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some
information that suggested to use a command, as follows:

mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars

It was ineffective, so after noticing a note that it should be done inside
and outside of the chroot environment, I tried it outside too.  No error
issued, however, nothing interesting happened.  That's when I backed out.

I can walk back through  it to that point.

This is so massively complicated.  It must have been the intention of the
originators of this system, to complicate the lives of the innocents.  It
makes me even more angry than I have been for the last 25 years.

To make it more complicated, there is no single such structure, but various
shades and variations.

Thank you.  I will try to get to that point again.

I am using May 1, 2014 installation iso.  Wow.

Alan


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I see another level of complexity here, in a statement on a page about
> Gummiboot on the wiki:
>
> * Warning: *Gummiboot simply provides a boot menu for EFISTUB kernels. In
> case you have issues booting EFISTUB kernels like in FS#33745<https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/33745>,
> you should use a boot loader which does not use EFISTUB, like GRUB<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB>,
> Syslinux <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux> or ELILO<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bootloaders#ELILO>
> .
>
> Would grub work, using this, or a similar, approach?
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition.  Would I move it to the ESP
>> partition, in that case?
>>
>> And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ?
>>
>> I have never used gummiboot.  Since the Arch system is already to go, but
>> not yet with a boot management setup, I should manually move that kernel to
>> the ESP partition as well?
>>
>> Alan Davis
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/05/14 06:02 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>> > This looks interesting, and I am tempted to walk into the deep water.
>>>  It
>>> > raises some questions.
>>> >
>>> > Will gummiboot or refind also find the Ubuntu partition?
>>>
>>> You should use the ESP (EFI system partition) to store all of the
>>> kernels. The loader (gummiboot) will find the Windows loader along with
>>> any kernels on that partition. You really aren't going to want separate
>>> boot partitions.
>>>
>>> > The original partition structure of the machine there were four or five
>>> > partitions, and another one popped up in the higher end of the disk.
>>> I
>>> > stumbled into the install, with the Ubuntu installer, and ended up with
>>> > four linux partitions in addition to the Windoze partitions.  At some
>>> point
>>> > I used gparted to resize, and this might have been the step that
>>> botched
>>> > the structure.  But in any event, I have three Linux partitions of 50G
>>> > each, and a swap partition.  Ubuntu is sitting in one of those
>>> partitions.
>>> >
>>> > I have no idea what is an EFI partition.  I have seen instructions,
>>> > presumably for those who are wiping the Windows and starting from
>>> scratch,
>>> > to make an EFI partition.
>>> >
>>> > I finally realized why there are so many partitions, and learned to use
>>> > gdisk when walking through the Archlinux install.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a some information from the gdisk listing:
>>> >
>>> >    Nbr   Size         Code   Name
>>> >   -----+------------+------+-------------------------
>>> >      1   1000.0 MiB   2700
>>> >      2   260.0 MiB    EF00     EFI system partition
>>> >      3   128.0 MiB    0C01    Microsoft reserved part
>>> >      4   49.6 GiB     0700      Basic data partition
>>> >      5   9.7 GiB      2700        Lenovo (?recovery?)
>>> >      6   10.0 GiB     8200       Linux SWAP
>>> >      7   49.4 GiB     8300       Archlinux /
>>> >      8   58.8 GiB     8300       /home
>>> >      9   1024.0 KiB   EF02     "bios_grub" (Ubuntu?)
>>> >     10   59.8 GiB     8300       UBUNTU /
>>>
>>> It's the one marked EFI system partition (ESP).
>>>
>>>
>>
>

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:30:48 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:30:48 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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On 01/05/14 06:20 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> I see another level of complexity here, in a statement on a page about
> Gummiboot on the wiki:
> 
> * Warning: *Gummiboot simply provides a boot menu for EFISTUB kernels. In
> case you have issues booting EFISTUB kernels like in
> FS#33745<https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/33745>,
> you should use a boot loader which does not use EFISTUB, like
> GRUB<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB>,
> Syslinux <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux> or
> ELILO<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bootloaders#ELILO>
> .
> 
> Would grub work, using this, or a similar, approach?

gummiboot is far less complex than grub, so I'm not sure where you're
getting that from. The kernel's EFISTUB handling doesn't work on all
hardware, but it will most likely work fine for you. The whole point of
EFISTUB is that it's simpler/faster than the legacy way of doing it.

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:31:44 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:31:44 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
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Do I need to install a special kernel?

Thank you for the advice.

Alan


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 06:20 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > I see another level of complexity here, in a statement on a page about
> > Gummiboot on the wiki:
> >
> > * Warning: *Gummiboot simply provides a boot menu for EFISTUB kernels. In
> > case you have issues booting EFISTUB kernels like in
> > FS#33745<https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/33745>,
> > you should use a boot loader which does not use EFISTUB, like
> > GRUB<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB>,
> > Syslinux <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux> or
> > ELILO<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bootloaders#ELILO>
> > .
> >
> > Would grub work, using this, or a similar, approach?
>
> gummiboot is far less complex than grub, so I'm not sure where you're
> getting that from. The kernel's EFISTUB handling doesn't work on all
> hardware, but it will most likely work fine for you. The whole point of
> EFISTUB is that it's simpler/faster than the legacy way of doing it.
>
>

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:35:18 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:35:18 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some
> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
> 
> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars

You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader without
being booted via EFI.

> It was ineffective, so after noticing a note that it should be done inside
> and outside of the chroot environment, I tried it outside too.  No error
> issued, however, nothing interesting happened.  That's when I backed out.
> 
> I can walk back through  it to that point.

You don't need to do this. Just do exactly what I said (install
gummiboot, tell gummiboot to install itself as the loader) and it will
work fine...

> This is so massively complicated.  It must have been the intention of the
> originators of this system, to complicate the lives of the innocents.  It
> makes me even more angry than I have been for the last 25 years.
> 
> To make it more complicated, there is no single such structure, but various
> shades and variations.

It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to want
it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going out
of your way to ignore the instructions.

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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:35:37 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:35:37 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
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On 01/05/14 06:31 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> Do I need to install a special kernel?
> 
> Thank you for the advice.
> 
> Alan

No, you need to install gummiboot. That's all.

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From delcypher at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:35:49 2014
From: delcypher at gmail.com (Delcypher)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 23:35:49 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Fwd: Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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> Here is a some information from the gdisk listing:
>
>    Nbr   Size         Code   Name
>   -----+------------+------+-------------------------
>      1   1000.0 MiB   2700
>      2   260.0 MiB    EF00     EFI system partition
>      3   128.0 MiB    0C01    Microsoft reserved part
>      4   49.6 GiB     0700      Basic data partition
>      5   9.7 GiB      2700        Lenovo (?recovery?)
>      6   10.0 GiB     8200       Linux SWAP
>      7   49.4 GiB     8300       Archlinux /
>      8   58.8 GiB     8300       /home
>      9   1024.0 KiB   EF02     "bios_grub" (Ubuntu?)
>     10   59.8 GiB     8300       UBUNTU /
>

You do not need a bios_grub partition. That is for systems with a BIOS
(rather than UEFI) that want use a GPT partition table rather than
MBR. You are using UEFI, therefore you are probably using GPT already
and so a bios_grub partition is completely unnecessary.

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:40:13 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:40:13 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Fwd: Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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Hello:

The BIOS_GRUB partition was installed by Ubuntu, I think, without any help
from me.

I am trying to understand the next step.

I have to reboot into that Arch install, and walk back through it.  When I
get to the point of needing a boot manager, I will install gummiboot.  Give
it a try.  Thank you.

Alan


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Here is a some information from the gdisk listing:
> >
> >    Nbr   Size         Code   Name
> >   -----+------------+------+-------------------------
> >      1   1000.0 MiB   2700
> >      2   260.0 MiB    EF00     EFI system partition
> >      3   128.0 MiB    0C01    Microsoft reserved part
> >      4   49.6 GiB     0700      Basic data partition
> >      5   9.7 GiB      2700        Lenovo (?recovery?)
> >      6   10.0 GiB     8200       Linux SWAP
> >      7   49.4 GiB     8300       Archlinux /
> >      8   58.8 GiB     8300       /home
> >      9   1024.0 KiB   EF02     "bios_grub" (Ubuntu?)
> >     10   59.8 GiB     8300       UBUNTU /
> >
>
> You do not need a bios_grub partition. That is for systems with a BIOS
> (rather than UEFI) that want use a GPT partition table rather than
> MBR. You are using UEFI, therefore you are probably using GPT already
> and so a bios_grub partition is completely unnecessary.
>

From delcypher at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:41:18 2014
From: delcypher at gmail.com (Delcypher)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 23:41:18 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
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On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some
>> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
>>
>> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>
> You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
> information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
> itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader without
> being booted via EFI.

It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs

> It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to want
> it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going out
> of your way to ignore the instructions.

It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug like
myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:42:36 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:42:36 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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I'm staying tuned.

Alan


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw
> some
> >> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
> >>
> >> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
> >
> > You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
> > information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
> > itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader without
> > being booted via EFI.
>
> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs
>
> > It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to want
> > it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going out
> > of your way to ignore the instructions.
>
> It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug like
> myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.
>

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:45:21 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:45:21 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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What is the "EFISTUB  bug"?

Alan


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm staying tuned.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>> >> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw
>> some
>> >> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
>> >>
>> >> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>> >
>> > You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
>> > information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
>> > itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader without
>> > being booted via EFI.
>>
>> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs
>>
>> > It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to want
>> > it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going out
>> > of your way to ignore the instructions.
>>
>> It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug like
>> myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.
>>
>
>

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:47:22 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:47:22 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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On 01/05/14 06:41 PM, Delcypher wrote:
> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some
>>> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
>>>
>>> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>>
>> You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
>> information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
>> itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader without
>> being booted via EFI.
> 
> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs

Nothing there says it's necessary to install gummiboot. You can install
gummiboot with pacman -S gummiboot && gummiboot install without being in
EFI mode at all. You *do not* need the efivars partition mounted, since
it will install itself as the fallback loader. It will take care of
installing itself as an entry automatically too if it's mounted, but you
can let it do that later or just not do it at all.

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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:48:35 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:48:35 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
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On 01/05/14 06:45 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> What is the "EFISTUB  bug"?
> 
> Alan

The kernel's EFISTUB booting support is broken on some hardware,
possibly due to buggy firmware requiring workarounds or perhaps because
of remaining bugs in the kernel. It does work on most hardware though,
especially now that several bugs have been fixed.

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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:50:00 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:50:00 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Fwd: Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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On 01/05/14 06:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> The BIOS_GRUB partition was installed by Ubuntu, I think, without any help
> from me.
> 
> I am trying to understand the next step.
> 
> I have to reboot into that Arch install, and walk back through it.  When I
> get to the point of needing a boot manager, I will install gummiboot.  Give
> it a try.  Thank you.
> 
> Alan

All you need is to mount the ESP as /boot (and make sure it continues to
be mounted that way via fstab) and pacman -S gummiboot && gummiboot
install. You don't need to worry about mounting anything else or deal
with EFI entries. Installing gummiboot will take care of setting it up
as the fallback loader along with making an entry if it can (but it's
not required).

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:54:40 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:54:40 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
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I am now walking through the install step by step.   Initially, it is
suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted.  I
ran

mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars

And got this message:

mount: mount point /sys.....efivars does not exist.

I don't knolw whether this is good or bad news.
 I tested for UEFI in Windows.  The result was positive.

This is kind of what I mean, that there are so
many shades and variations.



On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is the "EFISTUB  bug"?
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm staying tuned.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>> >> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw
>>> some
>>> >> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
>>> >>
>>> >> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>>> >
>>> > You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
>>> > information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
>>> > itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader
>>> without
>>> > being booted via EFI.
>>>
>>> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs
>>>
>>> > It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to want
>>> > it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going out
>>> > of your way to ignore the instructions.
>>>
>>> It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug like
>>> myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.
>>>
>>
>>
>

From mark at markelee.com  Thu May  1 18:55:40 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:55:40 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Fwd: Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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On 05/01/2014 06:50 PM, Daniel Micay wrote:
> On 01/05/14 06:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> The BIOS_GRUB partition was installed by Ubuntu, I think, without any help
>> from me.
>>
>> I am trying to understand the next step.
>>
>> I have to reboot into that Arch install, and walk back through it.  When I
>> get to the point of needing a boot manager, I will install gummiboot.  Give
>> it a try.  Thank you.
>>
>> Alan
> 
> All you need is to mount the ESP as /boot (and make sure it continues to
> be mounted that way via fstab) and pacman -S gummiboot && gummiboot
> install. You don't need to worry about mounting anything else or deal
> with EFI entries. Installing gummiboot will take care of setting it up
> as the fallback loader along with making an entry if it can (but it's
> not required).
> 

Salutations,

Just use the Microsoft reserved partition (ESP partition : ef00). Store
your kernel efistub there. Then write to the firmware that you're going
to boot from that EFI partition. There is no need to generate any extra
partitions from the Microsoft boot scheme since EFI booting is cross
platform. An example would be (following your layout scheme) :

1) EFI system partition (Store all kernel efistubs in here)
2) Microsoft reserved part (I think this is Microsoft system recovery stuff)
3) Basic data partition (This should be the windows: C drive)
4) Linux swap  (your disk-paging partition)
5) Arch Linux / (Arch linux root)
6) /home  (your home directory, I'm assuming it's separate because you
want to share with ubuntu)
7) Ubuntu / (Ubuntu root directory)

Regards,
Mark

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 18:55:39 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:55:39 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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I wonder what Ubuntu is doing, then.  Whether it will be incompatible.

A


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am now walking through the install step by step.   Initially, it is
> suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted.  I
> ran
>
> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>
> And got this message:
>
> mount: mount point /sys.....efivars does not exist.
>
> I don't knolw whether this is good or bad news.
>  I tested for UEFI in Windows.  The result was positive.
>
>
> This is kind of what I mean, that there are so
> many shades and variations.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is the "EFISTUB  bug"?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm staying tuned.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>>> >> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw
>>>> some
>>>> >> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>>>> >
>>>> > You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
>>>> > information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
>>>> > itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader
>>>> without
>>>> > being booted via EFI.
>>>>
>>>> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs
>>>>
>>>> > It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to want
>>>> > it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going out
>>>> > of your way to ignore the instructions.
>>>>
>>>> It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug like
>>>> myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

From mark at markelee.com  Thu May  1 18:56:39 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 18:56:39 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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On 05/01/2014 06:54 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> I am now walking through the install step by step.   Initially, it is
> suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted.  I
> ran
> 
> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
> 
> And got this message:
> 
> mount: mount point /sys.....efivars does not exist.
> 
> I don't knolw whether this is good or bad news.
>  I tested for UEFI in Windows.  The result was positive.
> 
> This is kind of what I mean, that there are so
> many shades and variations.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> What is the "EFISTUB  bug"?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm staying tuned.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>>>>> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw
>>>> some
>>>>>> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
>>>>> information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already installs
>>>>> itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader
>>>> without
>>>>> being booted via EFI.
>>>>
>>>> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs
>>>>
>>>>> It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to want
>>>>> it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going out
>>>>> of your way to ignore the instructions.
>>>>
>>>> It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug like
>>>> myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Salutations,

You need to boot into UEFI mode. So when you're loading the Arch Linux
ISO, make sure you select to boot into UEFI mode (usually an option in
the boot menu)

Regards,
Mark
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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 19:06:33 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:06:33 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362D127.4000106@markelee.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
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 <5362C553.4020702@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2RB4nD7kFpZtsjFPhovrsgG=xC8ZZ19MXDjuLALxvviog@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2QgobLziokzsERbLompKdK5VRptByGFPJDCRhOUDX-Erw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2TfKrJHMj+5_7jac_73BXrfHuwjEpjMsAD0SyU82ULTLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362CC26.1020502@gmail.com>
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I saw no options.  The iso image on the USB drive booted without any
problem or selection.  DOes it matter that this is a May 1 2014
installation iso?

Alan


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

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> On 05/01/2014 06:54 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > I am now walking through the install step by step.   Initially, it is
> > suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted.
>  I
> > ran
> >
> > mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
> >
> > And got this message:
> >
> > mount: mount point /sys.....efivars does not exist.
> >
> > I don't knolw whether this is good or bad news.
> >  I tested for UEFI in Windows.  The result was positive.
> >
> > This is kind of what I mean, that there are so
> > many shades and variations.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What is the "EFISTUB  bug"?
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm staying tuned.
> >>>
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >>>>>> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw
> >>>> some
> >>>>>> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
> >>>>> information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already
> installs
> >>>>> itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader
> >>>> without
> >>>>> being booted via EFI.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to
> want
> >>>>> it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going
> out
> >>>>> of your way to ignore the instructions.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug like
> >>>> myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> Salutations,
>
> You need to boot into UEFI mode. So when you're loading the Arch Linux
> ISO, make sure you select to boot into UEFI mode (usually an option in
> the boot menu)
>
> Regards,
> Mark
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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 19:07:06 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 19:07:06 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362D127.4000106@markelee.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAF-1L2QgobLziokzsERbLompKdK5VRptByGFPJDCRhOUDX-Erw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2TfKrJHMj+5_7jac_73BXrfHuwjEpjMsAD0SyU82ULTLw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAF-1L2SWwf9MAor1n7jd6H=aXaR32MX-YVgHczm+i=RCnDxsWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2TSqAzYUjayZJfOBUJffCmycCMYi=E5aMMFOtqS6OJPLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362D127.4000106@markelee.com>
Message-ID: <5362D39A.5050906@gmail.com>

On 01/05/14 06:56 PM, Mark Lee wrote:
>
> Salutations,
> 
> You need to boot into UEFI mode. So when you're loading the Arch Linux
> ISO, make sure you select to boot into UEFI mode (usually an option in
> the boot menu)
> 
> Regards,
> Mark

You can do this without being booted into EFI mode, since gummiboot will
install itself as /boot/EFI/Boot/BOOTX64.EFI and then you can set it up
properly after the first boot.

I had to do it this way because my hardware (T530) ran into the EFISTUB
bug on old kernel versions, including the latest Arch ISO. It's
completely fixed now at least on this hardware... no issues with dozens
of 3.14.1/3.14.2 builds or the latest LTS kernel.

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 19:07:47 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:07:47 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2QP9j88+-jukR07PuRw7oAnhQZPykXT+rpC1pU2UnDWqw@mail.gmail.com>
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Running gdisk, this message: Found valid GPT with protective MBR: using GPT.


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I saw no options.  The iso image on the USB drive booted without any
> problem or selection.  DOes it matter that this is a May 1 2014
> installation iso?
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA256
>>
>> On 05/01/2014 06:54 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>> > I am now walking through the install step by step.   Initially, it is
>> > suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted.
>>  I
>> > ran
>> >
>> > mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>> >
>> > And got this message:
>> >
>> > mount: mount point /sys.....efivars does not exist.
>> >
>> > I don't knolw whether this is good or bad news.
>> >  I tested for UEFI in Windows.  The result was positive.
>> >
>> > This is kind of what I mean, that there are so
>> > many shades and variations.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What is the "EFISTUB  bug"?
>> >>
>> >> Alan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm staying tuned.
>> >>>
>> >>> Alan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>> >>>>>> After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I
>> saw
>> >>>> some
>> >>>>>> information that suggested to use a command, as follows:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> mount -t efivarfs efivarfs     /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're getting this
>> >>>>> information. Adding an EFI entry is optional since it already
>> installs
>> >>>>> itself as the fallback loader too. You can install an EFI loader
>> >>>> without
>> >>>>> being booted via EFI.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It's at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI#Mount_efivarfs
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> It's certainly a lot simpler than using grub... you don't seem to
>> want
>> >>>>> it to work so obviously it's not going to work, since you're going
>> out
>> >>>>> of your way to ignore the instructions.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It is unless you're one of the people effected by the EFISTUB bug
>> like
>> >>>> myself. So I'm currently using GRUB2.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> Salutations,
>>
>> You need to boot into UEFI mode. So when you're loading the Arch Linux
>> ISO, make sure you select to boot into UEFI mode (usually an option in
>> the boot menu)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 19:40:06 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:40:06 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362D39A.5050906@gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
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I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on /boot,
where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.

In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot menu
from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.

Thank you for now.

Alan




On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 06:56 PM, Mark Lee wrote:
> >
> > Salutations,
> >
> > You need to boot into UEFI mode. So when you're loading the Arch Linux
> > ISO, make sure you select to boot into UEFI mode (usually an option in
> > the boot menu)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
>
> You can do this without being booted into EFI mode, since gummiboot will
> install itself as /boot/EFI/Boot/BOOTX64.EFI and then you can set it up
> properly after the first boot.
>
> I had to do it this way because my hardware (T530) ran into the EFISTUB
> bug on old kernel versions, including the latest Arch ISO. It's
> completely fixed now at least on this hardware... no issues with dozens
> of 3.14.1/3.14.2 builds or the latest LTS kernel.
>
>

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 19:59:31 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 19:59:31 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2SMv9-2wUMWNdBQZ_pSQv+AxD9QRGz3k121hEmh3hAyKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on /boot,
> where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> 
> In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot menu
> from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> 
> Thank you for now.
> 
> Alan

You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
or the fallback entry (if you didn't).

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 20:06:51 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 17:06:51 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
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I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
entry."   I'm sorry.

I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step of
installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
Linux these days.

On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.

Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
done.

Thank you again,

Alan Davis


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on /boot,
> > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> >
> > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot
> menu
> > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> >
> > Thank you for now.
> >
> > Alan
>
> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
> or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
>
>

From mark at markelee.com  Thu May  1 20:11:14 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 20:11:14 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows8 UEFI laptop
Message-ID: <5362e2c8.115d8c0a.b77f.0aff@mx.google.com>

Salutations,

In these cases, I usually whip out a copy of refind-efi on cd and boot that via uefi. Refind-efi now detects kernels in /boot so it may be able to detect the Arch and Ubuntu kernels. This would allow you to boot the kernels into uefi mode and run efibootmgr.

Regards,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 7:40 PM
To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows8 UEFI laptop

I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on /boot,
where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.

In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot menu
from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.

Thank you for now.

Alan




On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 06:56 PM, Mark Lee wrote:
> >
> > Salutations,
> >
> > You need to boot into UEFI mode. So when you're loading the Arch Linux
> > ISO, make sure you select to boot into UEFI mode (usually an option in
> > the boot menu)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
>
> You can do this without being booted into EFI mode, since gummiboot will
> install itself as /boot/EFI/Boot/BOOTX64.EFI and then you can set it up
> properly after the first boot.
>
> I had to do it this way because my hardware (T530) ran into the EFISTUB
> bug on old kernel versions, including the latest Arch ISO. It's
> completely fixed now at least on this hardware... no issues with dozens
> of 3.14.1/3.14.2 builds or the latest LTS kernel.
>
>

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  1 20:19:54 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 20:19:54 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
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On 01/05/14 08:06 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
> entry."   I'm sorry.
> 
> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step of
> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
> Linux these days.
> 
> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
> 
> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
> done.

(U)EFI was created by Intel replace legacy BIOS, it had nothing to do
with Microsoft. AFAIK, OS X adopted it long before Windows. I'm not sure
why you keep mentioning Microsoft over and over.

Arch has great UEFI support and it results in a significant improvement
in boot time compared to legacy BIOS booting. The gummiboot loader is a
huge simplication over grub, so there's not much to complain about there
either.

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 20:23:41 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 17:23:41 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362E4AA.2060200@gmail.com>
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Then I stand corrected.  Thank you for pointing this out.

FOr me, the simpler the better.   I'll try to deal with it, though.

Alan


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 08:06 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
> > entry."   I'm sorry.
> >
> > I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step
> of
> > installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
> > Linux these days.
> >
> > On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
> > tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
> > value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
> >
> > Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
> > try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
> > done.
>
> (U)EFI was created by Intel replace legacy BIOS, it had nothing to do
> with Microsoft. AFAIK, OS X adopted it long before Windows. I'm not sure
> why you keep mentioning Microsoft over and over.
>
> Arch has great UEFI support and it results in a significant improvement
> in boot time compared to legacy BIOS booting. The gummiboot loader is a
> huge simplication over grub, so there's not much to complain about there
> either.
>
>

From mark at markelee.com  Thu May  1 20:25:06 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 20:25:06 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows8 UEFI laptop
Message-ID: <5362e609.4f1b8c0a.0587.131f@mx.google.com>

Salutations,

Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home). For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install the system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot the efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something like this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition # (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch Linux.

Regards,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows8 UEFI laptop

I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
entry."   I'm sorry.

I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step of
installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
Linux these days.

On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.

Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
done.

Thank you again,

Alan Davis


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on /boot,
> > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> >
> > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot
> menu
> > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> >
> > Thank you for now.
> >
> > Alan
>
> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
> or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
>
>

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Thu May  1 21:09:02 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 18:09:02 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362e609.4f1b8c0a.0587.131f@mx.google.com>
References: <5362e609.4f1b8c0a.0587.131f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2ThMPUr4qzYc=gJUnmb62c-CmoR3_nm8xM6O0sQjMUW3Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.

I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If I
boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
(Actually triple boot for the time being.)

Alan Davis


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

> Salutations,
>
> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home).
> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install the
> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot the
> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would
> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux
> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you
> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you
> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something like
> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You
> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch Linux.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
> Windows8 UEFI laptop
>
> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
> entry."   I'm sorry.
>
> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step of
> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
> Linux these days.
>
> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
>
> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
> done.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Alan Davis
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
> /boot,
> > > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> > >
> > > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot
> > menu
> > > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you for now.
> > >
> > > Alan
> >
> > You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
> > or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
> >
> >
>

From mark at markelee.com  Thu May  1 21:18:47 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 21:18:47 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
Message-ID: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>

Salutations,

If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot managers.

Regards, 
Man k

-----Original Message-----
From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on aWindows8 UEFI laptop

I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.

I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If I
boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
(Actually triple boot for the time being.)

Alan Davis


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

> Salutations,
>
> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home).
> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install the
> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot the
> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would
> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux
> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you
> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you
> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something like
> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You
> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch Linux.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
> Windows8 UEFI laptop
>
> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
> entry."   I'm sorry.
>
> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step of
> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
> Linux these days.
>
> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
>
> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
> done.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Alan Davis
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
> /boot,
> > > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> > >
> > > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot
> > menu
> > > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you for now.
> > >
> > > Alan
> >
> > You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
> > or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
> >
> >
>

From mark at markelee.com  Thu May  1 21:20:50 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 21:20:50 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
Message-ID: <5362f319.0e328c0a.04dd.23e6@mx.google.com>

Salutations,

What are you booting the Arch Iso off of?

Regards,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on aWindows8 UEFI laptop

I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.

I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If I
boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
(Actually triple boot for the time being.)

Alan Davis


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

> Salutations,
>
> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home).
> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install the
> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot the
> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would
> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux
> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you
> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you
> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something like
> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You
> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch Linux.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
> Windows8 UEFI laptop
>
> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
> entry."   I'm sorry.
>
> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step of
> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
> Linux these days.
>
> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
>
> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
> done.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Alan Davis
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
> /boot,
> > > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> > >
> > > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot
> > menu
> > > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you for now.
> > >
> > > Alan
> >
> > You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
> > or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
> >
> >
>

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Thu May  1 21:23:51 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 20:23:51 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
	aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
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On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:
> Salutations,
> 
> If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or
> Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the
> option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot
> managers.
> 
> Regards,
> Man k
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
> aWindows8 UEFI laptop
> 
> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
> 
> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If 
> I
> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
> 
> Alan Davis
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
> 
>> Salutations,
>> 
>> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
>> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, 
>> home).
>> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then 
>> install the
>> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot 
>> the
>> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I 
>> would
>> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the 
>> vmlinuz-Linux
>> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, 
>> you
>> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries 
>> you
>> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something 
>> like
>> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
>> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
>> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. 
>> You
>> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch 
>> Linux.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
>> Windows8 UEFI laptop
>> 
>> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
>> entry."   I'm sorry.
>> 
>> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable 
>> step of
>> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install 
>> Arch
>> Linux these days.
>> 
>> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
>> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
>> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
>> 
>> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might 
>> even
>> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
>> done.
>> 
>> Thank you again,
>> 
>> Alan Davis
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>> > > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
>> /boot,
>> > > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
>> > >
>> > > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot
>> > menu
>> > > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for now.
>> > >
>> > > Alan
>> >
>> > You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
>> > or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
>> >
>> >
>> 

Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken 
this thread alone.

Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on that 
here.

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Fri May  2 00:17:41 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 21:17:41 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>

I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.




On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info> wrote:

> On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:
>
>> Salutations,
>>
>> If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or
>> Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the
>> option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot
>> managers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Man k
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
>> aWindows8 UEFI laptop
>>
>> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
>>
>> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If I
>> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
>> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
>>
>> Alan Davis
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Salutations,
>>>
>>> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
>>> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home).
>>> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install
>>> the
>>> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot
>>> the
>>> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would
>>> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux
>>> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you
>>> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you
>>> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something
>>> like
>>> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
>>> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
>>> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You
>>> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch
>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
>>> Windows8 UEFI laptop
>>>
>>> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
>>> entry."   I'm sorry.
>>>
>>> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step
>>> of
>>> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
>>> Linux these days.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
>>> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
>>> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
>>> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
>>> done.
>>>
>>> Thank you again,
>>>
>>> Alan Davis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>> > > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
>>> /boot,
>>> > > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
>>> > >
>>> > > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a
>>> boot
>>> > menu
>>> > > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thank you for now.
>>> > >
>>> > > Alan
>>> >
>>> > You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
>>> > or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
> Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken
> this thread alone.
>
> Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on that
> here.
>

From kylebassett at gmail.com  Fri May  2 01:19:56 2014
From: kylebassett at gmail.com (Kyle Bassett)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 01:19:56 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] mc - why not alias mc-wrapper.sh as default
In-Reply-To: <5362664D.3020208@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <5362664D.3020208@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9PttjCCav2dxX+Dg_WXyrNQjOf6_Cktw+CSti26NMbJ6FSQw@mail.gmail.com>

alias mc='vim' works really well for me!

:-P

Just make sure you have a solid syntax highlighter installed, custom or
otherwise.


On Thursday, May 1, 2014, David C. Rankin <drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
>   midnight commander provides a convenient script that allows exit to the
> present working directory of mc instead of returning you to the directory
> in
> which mc was started. All that is required is a simple alias:
>
>   alias mc='. /usr/lib/mc/mc-wrapper.sh'
>
>   This simply invokes mc with the -P option saving the present dir to a tmp
> file, then changing to it on exit.
>
>   Any reason not to make this the default?
>
>   Just a convenience suggestion with a simple fix -- for consideration.
>
> --
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
>

From kylebassett at gmail.com  Fri May  2 01:26:57 2014
From: kylebassett at gmail.com (Kyle Bassett)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 01:26:57 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] mc - why not alias mc-wrapper.sh as default
In-Reply-To: <CAM9PttjCCav2dxX+Dg_WXyrNQjOf6_Cktw+CSti26NMbJ6FSQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362664D.3020208@suddenlinkmail.com>
 <CAM9PttjCCav2dxX+Dg_WXyrNQjOf6_Cktw+CSti26NMbJ6FSQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9PttjWLWPamhCqTt3rOAJUBXLX1YUm1qcLCfLbkHUGiw8eSg@mail.gmail.com>

I retract my smug remark, for some reason I recalled mc as a file editor.
 I must be thinking of QBASIC (blue terminal interface).



On Friday, May 2, 2014, Kyle Bassett <kylebassett at gmail.com> wrote:

> alias mc='vim' works really well for me!
>
> :-P
>
> Just make sure you have a solid syntax highlighter installed, custom or
> otherwise.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 1, 2014, David C. Rankin <drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>>   midnight commander provides a convenient script that allows exit to the
>> present working directory of mc instead of returning you to the directory
>> in
>> which mc was started. All that is required is a simple alias:
>>
>>   alias mc='. /usr/lib/mc/mc-wrapper.sh'
>>
>>   This simply invokes mc with the -P option saving the present dir to a
>> tmp
>> file, then changing to it on exit.
>>
>>   Any reason not to make this the default?
>>
>>   Just a convenience suggestion with a simple fix -- for consideration.
>>
>> --
>> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
>>
>

From steve at offend.me.uk  Fri May  2 03:43:02 2014
From: steve at offend.me.uk (Steve Engledow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 08:43:02 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] mc - why not alias mc-wrapper.sh as default
In-Reply-To: <CAM9PttjWLWPamhCqTt3rOAJUBXLX1YUm1qcLCfLbkHUGiw8eSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362664D.3020208@suddenlinkmail.com>
 <CAM9PttjCCav2dxX+Dg_WXyrNQjOf6_Cktw+CSti26NMbJ6FSQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM9PttjWLWPamhCqTt3rOAJUBXLX1YUm1qcLCfLbkHUGiw8eSg@mail.gmail.com>
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> I retract my smug remark, for some reason I recalled mc as a file editor.
>  I must be thinking of QBASIC (blue terminal interface).

vim works just fine as a file browser :D
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From mike.cloaked at gmail.com  Fri May  2 04:56:29 2014
From: mike.cloaked at gmail.com (Mike Cloaked)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 09:56:29 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows 8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5362C83E.5050100@gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2StxQY=-572=nW9sK_53O129n9WiMfTzVMO-Du4L2yY_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362BC4F.6040602@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2Skbpio4Y6zOOEOXbojk770T=MkLT8mF9W5D+=pWwWf8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362C553.4020702@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2RB4nD7kFpZtsjFPhovrsgG=xC8ZZ19MXDjuLALxvviog@mail.gmail.com>
 <5362C83E.5050100@gmail.com>
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/14 06:15 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition.  Would I move it to the ESP
> > partition, in that case?
> >
> > And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ?
> >
> > I have never used gummiboot.  Since the Arch system is already to go, but
> > not yet with a boot management setup, I should manually move that kernel
> to
> > the ESP partition as well?
> >
> > Alan Davis
>
> Yes, you should mount the ESP partition as /boot so the kernels get
> installed there. Then install gummiboot and set up entries for Arch and
> Ubuntu.
>
>
The approach mentioned above should work. An alternative is to have the ESP
mounted as, say /boot/efi (which is a vfat partition) and then the (vfat)
ESP becomes /boot/efi/EFI/ which then contains the windows efi boot files,
and you can then if you wish install refind in a directory such as
/boot/efi/EFI/refind/ - and it is in principle also possible to have more
than one boot manager in that directory so that you can choose which boot
manager to use, and each can then boot all of your installed operating
systems via UEFI.

If so then it is also possible to have /boot as either a separate ext4
partition, or a subdirectory of the root partition, also as ext4 (thereby
getting the advantage of a journaled filesystem). Then the kernel(s) can be
in /boot/ and using refind the refind efi binary can still read the ext4
/boot/* files for the kernel(s) and initrd(s) since refind has drivers that
can read ext4 files.  The details are in the author's refind web pages (
http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ ).

It is possible to either let refind automatically discover all the
available operating systems that you have set up or you can configure the
config files with specific stanzas to boot individual OSes - and each
becomes a nice icon on the graphical boot screen. You can select which is
the default system to boot, but can also intercept the boot to choose a
non-default system.

Of course you have the choice to use different boot managers, and gummiboot
and grub will in principle be able to boot all three OSes once set up.

-- 
mike c

From nhasian at gmail.com  Fri May  2 10:10:12 2014
From: nhasian at gmail.com (nhasian at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 07:10:12 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
 Windows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2ThMPUr4qzYc=gJUnmb62c-CmoR3_nm8xM6O0sQjMUW3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362e609.4f1b8c0a.0587.131f@mx.google.com>
 <CAF-1L2ThMPUr4qzYc=gJUnmb62c-CmoR3_nm8xM6O0sQjMUW3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAExnO_5WwMysCrN9EDyfzdSQxqxNyThy4U7icL25KqH=AE3+sg@mail.gmail.com>

Alan by any chance have you tried turning your computer on using the boot
menu button? I don't know what it's called but the new Lenovo computers
have a smaller power button located near the primary power button.  by
using this button to start your computer you will be presented with the
boot menu options such as which operating system to start and the option to
go into the bios settings.


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
>
> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If I
> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
>
> Alan Davis
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
>
> > Salutations,
> >
> > Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
> > (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home).
> > For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install
> the
> > system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot
> the
> > efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would
> > then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux
> > to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you
> > should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you
> > have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something
> like
> > this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
> > (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
> > "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You
> > should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch
> Linux.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> > Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
> > To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
> > Windows8 UEFI laptop
> >
> > I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
> > entry."   I'm sorry.
> >
> > I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step
> of
> > installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
> > Linux these days.
> >
> > On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
> > tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
> > value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
> >
> > Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
> > try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
> > done.
> >
> > Thank you again,
> >
> > Alan Davis
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > > > I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
> > /boot,
> > > > where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> > > >
> > > > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a
> boot
> > > menu
> > > > from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for now.
> > > >
> > > > Alan
> > >
> > > You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
> > > or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri May  2 10:52:38 2014
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 09:52:38 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] netctl/systemd - permission error in dmesg - need
	fixing?
Message-ID: <5363B136.6060508@suddenlinkmail.com>

All,

  Checking dmesg, I found the line:

[    2.865094] systemd[1]: Configuration file
/etc/systemd/system/netctl at rlf_network\x2dstatic.service is marked
world-inaccessible. This has no effect as configuration data is accessible via
APIs without restrictions. Proceeding anyway.

  Checking /etc/systemd/system, I find the file with 0600 perms:

-rw------- 1 root root  200 Dec  5 10:44 netctl at rlf_network\x2dstatic.service

  Checking /etc/netctl, the netctl file originally read IS world readable:

-rw-r--r--  1 root root  424 Dec  4 08:20 rlf_network-static

  What is causing systemd or netctl to create the file in /etc/systemd/system
with 0600, thereby causing the dmesg entry?

  Does this need to be fixed? (if so, I'll file - but is this a bug?)

  I found a similar, but unrelated thread here:
http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6953


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

From jesin00 at gmail.com  Fri May  2 11:54:10 2014
From: jesin00 at gmail.com (Kevin Dodd)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 11:54:10 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] sbcl is out of date
Message-ID: <CAL8enj2ir7-xdwVgya53UEsoAwpyf-0hj+wjmuOMAVF23i+w4w@mail.gmail.com>

SBCL upstream has been releasing new versions monthly; version 1.1.18
came out a few days ago.  The SBCL package in Arch Linux's [extra]
repository is two months old, and has been flagged out-of-date for a
month, with no sign of an update even in [testing].

I was able to build and run the 1.1.17 release myself just by changing
the version number and checksum in the PKGBUILD, and the new package
was able to build and run extra/maxima with no issues on my computer.
I haven't tried the same process with 1.1.18 yet, but having viewed
the changelog I see no reason to expect the results will be any
different.  Is there a technical reason for the delay, or has the
package maintainer just been busy?

From mark at markelee.com  Fri May  2 11:59:19 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 11:59:19 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>

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On 05/02/2014 12:17 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:
>>
>>> Salutations,
>>>
>>> If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or
>>> Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the
>>> option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot
>>> managers.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Man k
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
>>> aWindows8 UEFI laptop
>>>
>>> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
>>>
>>> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If I
>>> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
>>> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
>>>
>>> Alan Davis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Salutations,
>>>>
>>>> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
>>>> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home).
>>>> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install
>>>> the
>>>> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot
>>>> the
>>>> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would
>>>> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux
>>>> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you
>>>> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you
>>>> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something
>>>> like
>>>> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
>>>> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
>>>> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You
>>>> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch
>>>> Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
>>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
>>>> Windows8 UEFI laptop
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
>>>> entry."   I'm sorry.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable step
>>>> of
>>>> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch
>>>> Linux these days.
>>>>
>>>> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
>>>> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
>>>> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might even
>>>> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again,
>>>>
>>>> Alan Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>>>>> I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
>>>> /boot,
>>>>>> where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a
>>>> boot
>>>>> menu
>>>>>> from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted)
>>>>> or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken
>> this thread alone.
>>
>> Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on that
>> here.
>>

Salutations,

The last time I checked, I had issues with booting UEFI Arch Linux iso
off a usb stick. Try a cd if you can.

Regards,
Mark
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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org  Fri May  2 12:54:10 2014
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 19:54:10 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] VMware 10.0.2,
	kernel 3.14.2: recompiling vmware modules modules
Message-ID: <5363CDB2.7000206@rktmb.org>

Hi all,

As reported by the forum thread 
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1410987 I encounter the same 
problem.

Unfortunately, the topic has been closed because of trolling, but would 
you know a quick workaround (staying with this kernel)?

I need VMware workstation for work too :-)

From anatol.pomozov at gmail.com  Fri May  2 13:03:35 2014
From: anatol.pomozov at gmail.com (Anatol Pomozov)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 10:03:35 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] VMware 10.0.2,
 kernel 3.14.2: recompiling vmware modules modules
In-Reply-To: <5363CDB2.7000206@rktmb.org>
References: <5363CDB2.7000206@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <CAOMFOmXwMPLQ5tq3Tzq9A3SpZRwWrYsv8o9gB126noujyD2srg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
<mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As reported by the forum thread
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1410987 I encounter the same
> problem.
>
> Unfortunately, the topic has been closed because of trolling, but would you
> know a quick workaround (staying with this kernel)?
>
> I need VMware workstation for work too :-)


The issue should be fixed now.

The problem was that kernel 3.14.2 was compiled with gcc 4.9.0 + new
compile flags. You was trying to compile kernel modules with old gcc.
Now gcc 4.9.0 is moved to stable and the problem should be resolved.
Could you please try?

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Fri May  2 14:09:11 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 11:09:11 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the several comments.

I don't see any smaller boot menu button.  And this ultrabook has no CD
drive.  I was able to boot the Arch iso, and install right up to  the Boot
Manager step.  If I could boot straight into that partition from a USB
drive, that would be great.

Several times I have stumbled into nooks and crannies, where, for example,
that USB flash drive booted right up.

This is on my agenda, in the near future.  RIght now I'm reading up on
these multiple issues.

Alan


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA256
>
> On 05/02/2014 12:17 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:
> >>
> >>> Salutations,
> >>>
> >>> If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or
> >>> Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the
> >>> option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot
> >>> managers.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Man k
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
> >>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
> >>> aWindows8 UEFI laptop
> >>>
> >>> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
> >>>
> >>> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If
> I
> >>> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
> >>> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
> >>>
> >>> Alan Davis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Salutations,
> >>>>
> >>>> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
> >>>> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root,
> home).
> >>>> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then
> install
> >>>> the
> >>>> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot
> >>>> the
> >>>> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I
> would
> >>>> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the
> vmlinuz-Linux
> >>>> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso,
> you
> >>>> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries
> you
> >>>> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something
> >>>> like
> >>>> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
> >>>> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
> >>>> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w.
> You
> >>>> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch
> >>>> Linux.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
> >>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org
> >
> >>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
> >>>> Windows8 UEFI laptop
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
> >>>> entry."   I'm sorry.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable
> step
> >>>> of
> >>>> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install
> Arch
> >>>> Linux these days.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
> >>>> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
> >>>> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might
> even
> >>>> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
> >>>> done.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you again,
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan Davis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >>>>>> I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
> >>>> /boot,
> >>>>>> where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a
> >>>> boot
> >>>>> menu
> >>>>>> from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff
> mounted)
> >>>>> or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken
> >> this thread alone.
> >>
> >> Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on that
> >> here.
> >>
>
> Salutations,
>
> The last time I checked, I had issues with booting UEFI Arch Linux iso
> off a usb stick. Try a cd if you can.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
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From mark at markelee.com  Fri May  2 14:10:54 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 14:10:54 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05/02/2014 02:09 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> Thank you for the several comments.
> 
> I don't see any smaller boot menu button.  And this ultrabook has no CD
> drive.  I was able to boot the Arch iso, and install right up to  the Boot
> Manager step.  If I could boot straight into that partition from a USB
> drive, that would be great.
> 
> Several times I have stumbled into nooks and crannies, where, for example,
> that USB flash drive booted right up.
> 
> This is on my agenda, in the near future.  RIght now I'm reading up on
> these multiple issues.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
> 
> On 05/02/2014 12:17 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>>> I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Salutations,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or
>>>>>> Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the
>>>>>> option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot
>>>>>> managers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Man k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
>>>>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
>>>>>> aWindows8 UEFI laptop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.  If
> I
>>>>>> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
>>>>>> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan Davis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Salutations,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot
>>>>>>> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root,
> home).
>>>>>>> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then
> install
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I
> would
>>>>>>> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the
> vmlinuz-Linux
>>>>>>> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso,
> you
>>>>>>> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries
> you
>>>>>>> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p <parition #
>>>>>>> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
>>>>>>> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w.
> You
>>>>>>> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch
>>>>>>> Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
>>>>>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general at archlinux.org
>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a
>>>>>>> Windows8 UEFI laptop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the
>>>>>>> entry."   I'm sorry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable
> step
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install
> Arch
>>>>>>> Linux these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest
>>>>>>> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do
>>>>>>> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I might
> even
>>>>>>> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has
>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you again,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan Davis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
>>>>>>> /boot,
>>>>>>>>> where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a
>>>>>>> boot
>>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>>>> from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff
> mounted)
>>>>>>>> or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken
>>>>> this thread alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on that
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
> 
> Salutations,
> 
> The last time I checked, I had issues with booting UEFI Arch Linux iso
> off a usb stick. Try a cd if you can.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark
>>

Salutations,

If you can install grub on a usb stick point and write an entry for Arch
Linux in grub that'd work.

Meanwhile, do you have an external usb cd/dvd drive? You could try using
that if you do.

Regards,
Mark
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From lisaev at umail.iu.edu  Fri May  2 14:22:57 2014
From: lisaev at umail.iu.edu (Leonid Isaev)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 13:22:57 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] netctl/systemd - permission error in dmesg -
 need fixing?
In-Reply-To: <5363B136.6060508@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <5363B136.6060508@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140502132257.49b77993@bluemoon>

On Fri, 02 May 2014 09:52:38 -0500
"David C. Rankin" <drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
>   Checking dmesg, I found the line:
> 
> [    2.865094] systemd[1]: Configuration file
> /etc/systemd/system/netctl at rlf_network\x2dstatic.service is marked
> world-inaccessible. This has no effect as configuration data is accessible
> via APIs without restrictions. Proceeding anyway.

See
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-February/017146.html :

* When reading unit files, systemd will now verify
  the access mode of these files, and warn about certain
  suspicious combinations. This has been added to make it
  easier to track down packaging bugs where unit files are
  marked executable or world-writable.

Cheers,
-- 
Leonid Isaev
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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org  Fri May  2 21:02:14 2014
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 04:02:14 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] VMware 10.0.2,
 kernel 3.14.2: recompiling vmware modules modules
In-Reply-To: <CAOMFOmXwMPLQ5tq3Tzq9A3SpZRwWrYsv8o9gB126noujyD2srg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5363CDB2.7000206@rktmb.org>
 <CAOMFOmXwMPLQ5tq3Tzq9A3SpZRwWrYsv8o9gB126noujyD2srg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53644016.9040205@rktmb.org>

On 05/02/2014 08:03 PM, Anatol Pomozov wrote:

>> As reported by the forum thread
>> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1410987 I encounter the same
>> problem.
> The issue should be fixed now.
> The problem was that kernel 3.14.2 was compiled with gcc 4.9.0 + new
> compile flags. You was trying to compile kernel modules with old gcc.
> Now gcc 4.9.0 is moved to stable and the problem should be resolved.
> Could you please try?

$ sudo pacman -Suy
[...]
Packages (9): binutils-2.24-3  gcc-4.9.0-1  gcc-libs-4.9.0-1 
glibc-2.19-4  libltdl-2.4.2-13  libtool-2.4.2-13
               linux-api-headers-3.14.1-1  procps-ng-3.3.9-3  psmisc-22.21-2

It's OK now.
Thank you very much.

From drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com  Fri May  2 22:19:15 2014
From: drankinatty at suddenlinkmail.com (David C. Rankin)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 21:19:15 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] netctl/systemd - permission error in dmesg -
 need fixing?
In-Reply-To: <20140502132257.49b77993@bluemoon>
References: <5363B136.6060508@suddenlinkmail.com>
 <20140502132257.49b77993@bluemoon>
Message-ID: <53645223.7020703@suddenlinkmail.com>

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On 05/02/2014 01:22 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> See
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-February/017146.html :
> 
> * When reading unit files, systemd will now verify
>   the access mode of these files, and warn about certain
>   suspicious combinations. This has been added to make it
>   easier to track down packaging bugs where unit files are
>   marked executable or world-writable.
> 
> Cheers,

Thanks Leonid,

  I guess the issue becomes, "is the /etc/netctl file supposed to be copied into
/etc/systemd/system with 0600 permissions?"

  I'll admit, I have no idea how the details of this get done by netctl (and or
systemd), but it just seems to me that if systemd is now verifying the access
mode of these files, systemd (or netctl -- on 'netctl enable') shouldn't be
copying them with permissions that will generate warning messages on boot.

  Now this isn't a big issue, more of an curiosity really. It just seems to me
like something isn't meshing quite right.

  In my situation, I used and followed the netctl static setup detailed here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_guide#Static_IP

  I'll leave it to you guys that are way smarter on this to decide if this needs
any further action. I will try manually changing the permissions on the
/etc/systemd/system file to avoid the warning, but that just seems like one of
those things that shouldn't need to be done by the user.

- -- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org  Fri May  2 22:35:05 2014
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 05:35:05 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia optimus with intel/nouveau and bumblebee +
	bbswitch
Message-ID: <536455D9.6040509@rktmb.org>

Hi all,

I have a Dell Latitude E6430, with the Optimus thing and a dual graphic 
card: Intel & Nvidia.

(I did know I got that until now)

I installed bumblebee and bbswitch
I enabled bumblebeed at startup
I installed "intel" and "nouveau" Xorg drivers
I setup nouveau to be early loaded

The BIOS only allow me to check or uncheck "Optimus".
When unchecked => The OS boots with Intel ("intel" driver)
when checked => The OS boots with Nvidia ("nouveau" driver)

To potentially enable the 2 cards, I have to setup "check" that option.

When this option is checked (the system boots on the Nvidia card) 
"xrandr" only lists 1 provider: nouveau.

I cleaned /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* to not mention 
any GPU related instructions.

I get stuck on this, because whatever documentation I read, as long as 
xrandr lists only 1 provider I cannot try any solution to get 3 screens 
when I want to (I use a xrandr GUI to enable what I want).

Note that I dont want to have 3 screens all the time.

Where should I check further in order to get xrandr to list the 2 
poviders I need?

Thank you.

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Sat May  3 00:53:33 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 21:53:33 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5363DFAE.6080207@markelee.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363DFAE.6080207@markelee.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2TqZ2+eJGG5p0rGFHgBFxnNHMFgLBBk6OF2tyhUy0__Ww@mail.gmail.com>

I am way past confused about these issues.

I have installed Archlinux on a partition, with a home partition.  I just
cannot boot into it.  I was able to boot into the USB flash drive.  I never
saw any messages about UEFI or legacy.  I had already installed Ubuntu
2014.04, botched the partitioning, but it is possible to boot into it by
way of a kludge that my 12 year old son discovered when he installed Ubuntu
on his Lenovo Idea Pad: by backing out, each windows boot, into a boot menu
that has the Ubuntu setup listed.

The ubuntu setup was installed as if by magical accident.  It just
installed.  I hed checked if it is a UEFI system by running a command in
Windows: it is.

After installing Ubuintu, I disabled secure boot.

I have more interesting things to do than spend a week to try to understand
this convoluted maze of acronyms and permutations of features.

It took me years to get used to GRUB2 having a complicated web of editable
(thought almost unreadable, to me) files and scripts.  This goes waaaay
betong that.

I appreciate the efforts of the people here on the Arch Linux mailing list
to help.  I will certainly ask more questions when I get the nerve to try
again (or grow tired of Ubuntu again).   I need a complicated series of
capabilities, so perhaps the fact that they mostly work ok under Ubuntu is
a blessing, and the Arch experiment will come later.

Alan Davis


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

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> Hash: SHA256
>
> On 05/02/2014 02:09 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > Thank you for the several comments.
> >
> > I don't see any smaller boot menu button.  And this ultrabook has no CD
> > drive.  I was able to boot the Arch iso, and install right up to  the
> Boot
> > Manager step.  If I could boot straight into that partition from a USB
> > drive, that would be great.
> >
> > Several times I have stumbled into nooks and crannies, where, for
> example,
> > that USB flash drive booted right up.
> >
> > This is on my agenda, in the near future.  RIght now I'm reading up on
> > these multiple issues.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/02/2014 12:17 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >>>> I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Salutations,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch
> or
> >>>>>> Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the
> >>>>>> option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot
> >>>>>> managers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Man k
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 9:09 PM
> >>>>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <
> arch-general at archlinux.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
> >>>>>> aWindows8 UEFI laptop
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.
>  If
> > I
> >>>>>> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
> >>>>>> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alan Davis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Salutations,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi
> boot
> >>>>>>> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root,
> > home).
> >>>>>>> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then
> > install
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can
> boot
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I
> > would
> >>>>>>> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the
> > vmlinuz-Linux
> >>>>>>> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch
> iso,
> > you
> >>>>>>> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what
> entries
> > you
> >>>>>>> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type
> something
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p
> <parition #
> >>>>>>> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
> >>>>>>> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet"
> -w.
> > You
> >>>>>>> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into
> Arch
> >>>>>>> Linux.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: ?5/?1/?2014 8:07 PM
> >>>>>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <
> arch-general at archlinux.org
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu
> on a
> >>>>>>> Windows8 UEFI laptop
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run
> the
> >>>>>>> entry."   I'm sorry.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable
> > step
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install
> > Arch
> >>>>>>> Linux these days.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's
> latest
> >>>>>>> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand,
> I do
> >>>>>>> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I
> might
> > even
> >>>>>>> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu
> has
> >>>>>>> done.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you again,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alan Davis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <
> danielmicay at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
> >>>>>>> /boot,
> >>>>>>>>> where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a
> >>>>>>> boot
> >>>>>>>> menu
> >>>>>>>>> from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for now.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff
> > mounted)
> >>>>>>>> or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've
> broken
> >>>>> this thread alone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on
> that
> >>>>> here.
> >>>>>
> >
> > Salutations,
> >
> > The last time I checked, I had issues with booting UEFI Arch Linux iso
> > off a usb stick. Try a cd if you can.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
> >>
>
> Salutations,
>
> If you can install grub on a usb stick point and write an entry for Arch
> Linux in grub that'd work.
>
> Meanwhile, do you have an external usb cd/dvd drive? You could try using
> that if you do.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
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From jeberger at free.fr  Sat May  3 01:26:29 2014
From: jeberger at free.fr (=?UTF-8?B?IkrDqXLDtG1lIE0uIEJlcmdlciI=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 07:26:29 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] netctl/systemd - permission error in dmesg -
	need fixing?
In-Reply-To: <5363B136.6060508@suddenlinkmail.com>
References: <5363B136.6060508@suddenlinkmail.com>
Message-ID: <lk1um9$noe$1@ger.gmane.org>

David C. Rankin wrote:
> All,
> 
>   Checking dmesg, I found the line:
> 
> [    2.865094] systemd[1]: Configuration file
> /etc/systemd/system/netctl at rlf_network\x2dstatic.service is marked
> world-inaccessible. This has no effect as configuration data is accessible via
> APIs without restrictions. Proceeding anyway.
> 
>   Checking /etc/systemd/system, I find the file with 0600 perms:
> 
> -rw------- 1 root root  200 Dec  5 10:44 netctl at rlf_network\x2dstatic.service
> 
>   Checking /etc/netctl, the netctl file originally read IS world readable:
> 
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  424 Dec  4 08:20 rlf_network-static
> 
>   What is causing systemd or netctl to create the file in /etc/systemd/system
> with 0600, thereby causing the dmesg entry?
> 
>   Does this need to be fixed? (if so, I'll file - but is this a bug?)
> 
>   I found a similar, but unrelated thread here:
> http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6953
> 
> 
	I'm not sure exactly what you did, but here the only netctl-related
"files" I have in /etc/systemd are in multi-user.target.wants and
are symlinks to /usr/lib/systemd/system/netctl-ifplugd at .service

	In your case if the file is directly in /etc/systemd/system then it
should probably be removed unless you have copied one of the
/usr/lib/systemd/system/netctl*@.service files and made
modifications to it in which case, you might want to look here for
info on how to override systemd unit settings:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Editing_provided_unit_files

	If your file is in one of the *.target.wants folders then it should
definitely be a symlink.

		Jerome
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http://jeberger.free.fr
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From bruno.widmann at gmail.com  Sat May  3 02:16:31 2014
From: bruno.widmann at gmail.com (Bruno Widmann)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 08:16:31 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia optimus with intel/nouveau and bumblebee
	+ bbswitch
In-Reply-To: <536455D9.6040509@rktmb.org>
References: <536455D9.6040509@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <CALTyvbs23MnLTZmn4Vpj2HMr54_k2P8kuxS_egv7SjPK+7FtiA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
<mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org> wrote:
> I setup nouveau to be early loaded

How? Kernel Module?

> When this option is checked (the system boots on the Nvidia card) "xrandr"
> only lists 1 provider: nouveau.

Not sure if i can help, on my sys "xrandr --listproviders" gives intel
after i login to X. The second screen shows up in xrandr after i do:
optirun true
/usr/bin/intel-virtual-output

I'm using the NVidia binary drivers though.

From bruno.widmann at gmail.com  Sat May  3 02:16:32 2014
From: bruno.widmann at gmail.com (Bruno Widmann)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 08:16:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] nvidia optimus with intel/nouveau and bumblebee
	+ bbswitch
In-Reply-To: <536455D9.6040509@rktmb.org>
References: <536455D9.6040509@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <CALTyvbuXcWp0Y4rX4zdh6a6WefFr3WWi98HmPEYKMsBAvAZkAQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
<mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org> wrote:
> I setup nouveau to be early loaded

How? Kernel Module?

> When this option is checked (the system boots on the Nvidia card) "xrandr"
> only lists 1 provider: nouveau.

Not sure if i can help, on my sys "xrandr --listproviders" gives intel
after i login to X. The second screen shows up in xrandr after i do:
optirun true
/usr/bin/intel-virtual-output

I'm using the NVidia binary drivers though.

From delcypher at gmail.com  Sat May  3 10:55:18 2014
From: delcypher at gmail.com (Delcypher)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 15:55:18 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2TqZ2+eJGG5p0rGFHgBFxnNHMFgLBBk6OF2tyhUy0__Ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363DFAE.6080207@markelee.com>
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Message-ID: <CANNJ_zhA3DSVoWn_ZbRyCR5K1TyiWZ0jU5yfXz_++AHG-4FDdg@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 May 2014 05:53, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am way past confused about these issues.

> I have installed Archlinux on a partition, with a home partition.  I just
> cannot boot into it.  I was able to boot into the USB flash drive.  I never
> saw any messages about UEFI or legacy.

The USB image supports legacy and UEFI boot.  I'm not 100% sure if
this is a reliable method but when I boot up via legacy the
/sys/firmware/efi folder does not exist but when I boot via UEFI the
folder does exist.
There is probably a way on your machine to disable legacy boot and
also select to boot from USB when legacy boot is disabled.

> I had already installed Ubuntu
> 2014.04, botched the partitioning, but it is possible to boot into it by

Given that you have already installed Ubuntu successfully you probably
have a working boot manager from that install. So why not just use
that to boot into Arch Linux? I think Ubuntu uses GRUB2 so you can
have Ubuntu regenerate the menu entries and hopefully it would detect
Arch Linux on its own. If not you'll have to look up how to add the
menu entries manually.

> It took me years to get used to GRUB2 having a complicated web of editable
> (thought almost unreadable, to me) files and scripts.  This goes waaaay
> betong that.

I wouldn't say it's more complicated. With UEFI you have many more
options (compared to legacy boot) for how you load your kernel. Just
pick one, read the wiki on the method of install and proceed with
caution.

I get the impression from following the thread that you aren't very
familiar with UEFI. Although you certainly don't need to know
everything about UEFI (I certainly do not, I just followed the wiki),
having a high level understanding of what it is and how to use it
(e.g. how to switch in/out of legacy boot) on your machine **before**
you start trying to install any Linux distribution would be wise.

From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sat May  3 12:41:10 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 19:41:10 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow archers,

I have an ASUS GTX 660 Ti DirectCU II 2GB and 2 monitors. I love gaming
(battlefield and dayz for now, but several game generally, which are not
wine-compatible and won't ever be. DirectX 11 and sh*t.) and I want to be
able to play on my Arch (dual boot is NOT a solution for me.).
I want to achieve GPU passthrough. GT9800 (my old graphics card) on one
monitor for linux and GTX660 on the other monitor used by windows.
I've tried several months ago to go with Xen GPU passthrough but failed (I
did not have much time). I will start all over again in a month and try,
KVM gpu passthrough and then (if it fails) xen again. Both KVM and Xen,
have better support (if not only) for ATi graphics cards than Nvidia (for
the specific chip that I have).
Is that true?
If yes, I am thinking of selling my NVidia and buying a slightly better
ATi. Which one to buy?

Thank you for your time :)

From trooper777 at gmail.com  Sat May  3 13:35:24 2014
From: trooper777 at gmail.com (Ryan Capote)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 10:35:24 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>

AMD cards are not very well supported under Arch. I use an AMD card and
have to use Vi0l0's unofficial repository for the latest catalyst drivers,
as they are not available from the official repository. Occasionally an
update will break the driver and I have to recompile the kernel module.
Other then that, the quality of the drivers is OK. Games run noticeably
smoother in Windows than under Linux, I don't know if that's a driver issue
or games/engine not being optimized under Linux.


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dimitris Zervas <dzervas at dzervas.gr> wrote:

> Hello fellow archers,
>
> I have an ASUS GTX 660 Ti DirectCU II 2GB and 2 monitors. I love gaming
> (battlefield and dayz for now, but several game generally, which are not
> wine-compatible and won't ever be. DirectX 11 and sh*t.) and I want to be
> able to play on my Arch (dual boot is NOT a solution for me.).
> I want to achieve GPU passthrough. GT9800 (my old graphics card) on one
> monitor for linux and GTX660 on the other monitor used by windows.
> I've tried several months ago to go with Xen GPU passthrough but failed (I
> did not have much time). I will start all over again in a month and try,
> KVM gpu passthrough and then (if it fails) xen again. Both KVM and Xen,
> have better support (if not only) for ATi graphics cards than Nvidia (for
> the specific chip that I have).
> Is that true?
> If yes, I am thinking of selling my NVidia and buying a slightly better
> ATi. Which one to buy?
>
> Thank you for your time :)
>

From lordheavym at gmail.com  Sat May  3 13:49:01 2014
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 19:49:01 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2879610.3tLH0Qj4eJ@archmain>

Le samedi 3 mai 2014, 10:35:24 Ryan Capote a ?crit :
> AMD cards are not very well supported under Arch. I use an AMD card and
> have to use Vi0l0's unofficial repository for the latest catalyst drivers,
> as they are not available from the official repository. Occasionally an
> update will break the driver and I have to recompile the kernel module.
> Other then that, the quality of the drivers is OK. Games run noticeably
> smoother in Windows than under Linux, I don't know if that's a driver issue
> or games/engine not being optimized under Linux.
> 

ATI cards are very well supported on Arch, crappy software not!

Mesa drivers are enough to play games under linux, have less pain with kernel 
or xserver upgrades.

-- 
Laurent Carlier
ArchLinux Developer
http://www.archlinux.org
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From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sat May  3 13:57:20 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 19:57:20 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] OT: Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <1399009408.7904.95.camel@archlinux>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1399009408.7904.95.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1399139840.633.21.camel@archlinux>

> > Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've 
> > broken this thread alone.
> >
> > Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on 
> > that here.

You need to explain that.

The thread is a hidden thingy in the mail's headers, it's not the
subject. In the header are In-Reply-To/References and some people sort
their mails grouped by threads.

Top posting is unwanted, consider to use inline posting or bottom
posting and _remove_ irrelevant quotes. There's a mailing list archive,
so IMO it's better to remove a little bit too much of the text, than to
keep too much.


From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sat May  3 13:57:24 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 19:57:24 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Select page style in Firefox 29.0
In-Reply-To: <1399094399.18808.33.camel@archlinux>
References: <1399094399.18808.33.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1399139844.633.22.camel@archlinux>

Hi,

does somebody know where I can select the page style in Firefox 29.0?
If a page does use grey text on black background, I want to turn off the
page's style, to get black text on white background. I guess there's
no way to get back the menu bar, or is it possible? I haven't seen such
an option in the preferences and Internet research was without success.

Regards,
Ralf


From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sat May  3 13:57:29 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 19:57:29 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 10:35 -0700, Ryan Capote wrote:
> AMD cards are not very well supported under Arch.

The proprietary driver isn't well supported by ATI, it's not an Arch
issue.

The answer to the question in the subject is, no, if you need the
proprietary driver you will notice that someday ATI's driver for your
card only is compatible to an outdated version of X.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMD_Catalyst#Xorg_repositories

NVIDIA's proprietary driver support is better. Btw. I always have both
available an ATI and a NVIDI graphics, assumed one graphics should cause
issues, I simply switch between the graphics. However, I only use the
open source drivers, but in combination with linux-rt.


From gdamjan at gmail.com  Sat May  3 14:02:02 2014
From: gdamjan at gmail.com (Damjan Georgievski)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 20:02:02 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Select page style in Firefox 29.0
In-Reply-To: <1399139844.633.22.camel@archlinux>
References: <1399094399.18808.33.camel@archlinux>
 <1399139844.633.22.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <CAEk1YH7=KhmXbCt1jLg2cokfNxKy-1j-MYVHf9oVx_=O1ks3rA@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 May 2014 19:57, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> does somebody know where I can select the page style in Firefox 29.0?
> If a page does use grey text on black background, I want to turn off the
> page's style, to get black text on white background. I guess there's
> no way to get back the menu bar, or is it possible?

You can have the whole Firefox menu, just right click on the toolbars
and click on "Menu Bar",
then you have View -> Page Style.

Maybe there's an extension that adds a button for that



-- 
damjan

From kyleterrien at gmail.com  Sat May  3 14:10:27 2014
From: kyleterrien at gmail.com (Kyle Terrien)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 11:10:27 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Select page style in Firefox 29.0
In-Reply-To: <1399139844.633.22.camel@archlinux>
References: <1399094399.18808.33.camel@archlinux>
 <1399139844.633.22.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <53653113.6050003@gmail.com>

On 05/03/2014 10:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> does somebody know where I can select the page style in Firefox 29.0?
> If a page does use grey text on black background, I want to turn off the
> page's style, to get black text on white background. I guess there's
> no way to get back the menu bar, or is it possible? I haven't seen such
> an option in the preferences and Internet research was without success.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 

Preferences > Content > Colors will give you basic control.

If you want more control, you can create your own user stylesheet. In
your Firefox profile directory (usually
~/.mozilla/firefox/????????.default) Create chrome/userContent.css and
add your own style rules [1]. The following rule will override all
website styles and force a white background with black text.

    body {
        background: white !important;
        color: black !important;
    }

If you want even more control, I suppose you can play around with
Greasemonkey scripts.

--Kyle

[1] http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserContent.css

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From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sat May  3 14:16:28 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 20:16:28 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [solved]  Select page style in Firefox 29.0
In-Reply-To: <CAEk1YH7=KhmXbCt1jLg2cokfNxKy-1j-MYVHf9oVx_=O1ks3rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1399094399.18808.33.camel@archlinux>
 <1399139844.633.22.camel@archlinux>
 <CAEk1YH7=KhmXbCt1jLg2cokfNxKy-1j-MYVHf9oVx_=O1ks3rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1399140988.2401.8.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 20:02 +0200, Damjan Georgievski wrote:
> You can have the whole Firefox menu, just right click on the toolbars
> and click on "Menu Bar"

Thank you :)


From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sat May  3 14:44:01 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 21:44:01 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <2879610.3tLH0Qj4eJ@archmain>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <2879610.3tLH0Qj4eJ@archmain>
Message-ID: <CAJTPdEqmrcMDmuCGCB_S5EcwK=S6JSspofQxbt3brKs1YdNBOQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am not speaking about native linux gaming. Mesa is NOT enough at all.
propriety is needed. But that's not the subject.
I am speaking about GPU passthrough.
Is ATi better supported by Xen or KVM passthrough than nvidia.
On May 3, 2014 8:49 PM, "Laurent Carlier" <lordheavym at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Le samedi 3 mai 2014, 10:35:24 Ryan Capote a ?crit :
> > AMD cards are not very well supported under Arch. I use an AMD card and
> > have to use Vi0l0's unofficial repository for the latest catalyst
drivers,
> > as they are not available from the official repository. Occasionally an
> > update will break the driver and I have to recompile the kernel module.
> > Other then that, the quality of the drivers is OK. Games run noticeably
> > smoother in Windows than under Linux, I don't know if that's a driver
issue
> > or games/engine not being optimized under Linux.
> >
>
> ATI cards are very well supported on Arch, crappy software not!
>
> Mesa drivers are enough to play games under linux, have less pain with
kernel
> or xserver upgrades.
>
> --
> Laurent Carlier
> ArchLinux Developer
> http://www.archlinux.org

I am not speaking about native linux gaming. (Mesa is NOT enough at all.
propriety is needed, unless you play cs 1.6. But that's not the subject.)
I am speaking about GPU passthrough.
Is ATi better supported by Xen or KVM *GPU passthrough* than nvidia.
Linux is not involved at all. The "good" card will be passed to windows
through one of the two virtualization solutions.

From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sat May  3 14:45:22 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 21:45:22 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <CAJTPdEqQWTMvw7uwf4N6qCv-bD+EPjyHEhXPP6ON_eRBcDMyzQ@mail.gmail.com>

On May 3, 2014 8:57 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 10:35 -0700, Ryan Capote wrote:
> > AMD cards are not very well supported under Arch.
>
> The proprietary driver isn't well supported by ATI, it's not an Arch
> issue.
>
> The answer to the question in the subject is, no, if you need the
> proprietary driver you will notice that someday ATI's driver for your
> card only is compatible to an outdated version of X.
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMD_Catalyst#Xorg_repositories
>
> NVIDIA's proprietary driver support is better. Btw. I always have both
> available an ATI and a NVIDI graphics, assumed one graphics should cause
> issues, I simply switch between the graphics. However, I only use the
> open source drivers, but in combination with linux-rt.
>

Arch will NOT handle the ATi card at all. It will just handle the 9800GT
with opensource drivers.

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Sat May  3 15:34:01 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 21:34:01 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Xbmc not boot
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA_LQZ6SUR4GSP2w36xYwEQHVE4sH36pMQRFLoK=i8ubSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I have installed archlinux + xbmc follow this step:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_for_Linux_on_Arch_Linux

But I power on the machine:


[root at arch-xbmc-test ~]# systemctl status xbmc
* xbmc.service - Starts instance of XBMC using xinit
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/xbmc.service; enabled)
   Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2014-05-03 23:30:35
CEST; 1min 28s ago
 Main PID: 180 (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)

May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[1]: Started Starts instance of
XBMC using xinit.
May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[180]: pam_unix(login:session):
session opened for user xbmc by (uid=0)
May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[1]: xbmc.service: main process
exited, code=exited, status=203/EXEC
May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[1]: Unit xbmc.service entered
failed state.



xmbc not boot...

Thanks in advanced.

From enwukaer at gmail.com  Sat May  3 16:09:26 2014
From: enwukaer at gmail.com (Nowaker)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 22:09:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CAJTPdEqQWTMvw7uwf4N6qCv-bD+EPjyHEhXPP6ON_eRBcDMyzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux>
 <CAJTPdEqQWTMvw7uwf4N6qCv-bD+EPjyHEhXPP6ON_eRBcDMyzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53654CF6.6010705@gmail.com>

 > I am speaking about GPU passthrough.
 > Is ATi better supported by Xen or KVM passthrough than nvidia.

You are on fresh ground here. Please let us know once you know more.


> Arch will NOT handle the ATi card at all.

I use Radeon 7870 with 4 monitors. HL2EP2 from Steam works great on 
highest details. Sure, that's not Battlefield, but there's no version of 
BF for Linux. :(

Xonotic works on High details. Highest details fail but guys are already 
working hard on fixing this. 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73320

Btw, are there any native Linux games with decent graphics like 
Battlefield 3/4, ARMA, Bioshock Infinite and such?

-- 
Kind regards,
Damian Nowak
StratusHost
www.AtlasHost.eu

From simon.brand at postadigitale.de  Sat May  3 16:17:03 2014
From: simon.brand at postadigitale.de (Simon Brand)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 22:17:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <53654CF6.6010705@gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux>
 <CAJTPdEqQWTMvw7uwf4N6qCv-bD+EPjyHEhXPP6ON_eRBcDMyzQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53654CF6.6010705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53654EBF.5050207@postadigitale.de>

Am 03.05.2014 22:09, schrieb Nowaker:
>> I am speaking about GPU passthrough.
>> Is ATi better supported by Xen or KVM passthrough than nvidia.
> 

I do not think it makes a difference, if nvidia or amd/ati is passed
through, but dont know it for sure.

There is a thread in the forum:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162768



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From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sat May  3 16:55:12 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 23:55:12 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <53654EBF.5050207@postadigitale.de>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On May 3, 2014 11:17 PM, "Simon Brand" <simon.brand at postadigitale.de> wrote:
>
> Am 03.05.2014 22:09, schrieb Nowaker:
> >> I am speaking about GPU passthrough.
> >> Is ATi better supported by Xen or KVM passthrough than nvidia.
> >
>
> I do not think it makes a difference, if nvidia or amd/ati is passed
> through, but dont know it for sure.
>
It kinda makes (not sure). I have not get my head around yet...

> There is a thread in the forum:
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162768
>
I've seen the thread, but thanks anyway :)

> Btw, are there any native Linux
> games with decent graphics like
> Battlefield 3/4, ARMA, Bioshock
> Infinite and such?

Nah... Maybe unreal tournament, but not sure.

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Sat May  3 22:56:25 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 19:56:25 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CANNJ_zhA3DSVoWn_ZbRyCR5K1TyiWZ0jU5yfXz_++AHG-4FDdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363DFAE.6080207@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2TqZ2+eJGG5p0rGFHgBFxnNHMFgLBBk6OF2tyhUy0__Ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANNJ_zhA3DSVoWn_ZbRyCR5K1TyiWZ0jU5yfXz_++AHG-4FDdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2TGo2CGpEPmS34OY8SY6gLPKDtdE1HQPBiZzKBXmLfrpA@mail.gmail.com>

This is an interesting suggestion:

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:

> dy installed Ubuntu successfully you probably
> have a working boot manager from that install. So why not just use
> that to boot into Arch Linux? I think Ubuntu uses GRUB2 so you can
> have Ubuntu regenerate the menu entries and hopefully it would detect
> Arch Linux on its own. If not you'll have to look up how to add the
> menu entries manually.
>

I tried several times, without any change to the boot menu.  The SDD device
(perhaps a specific part)   and also a "windows boot manager" are items in
a menu when  rebooting with Advanced Startup from Windows.

The steps I used were:

    - Ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
    - changed the permissions of that file to +w
    - re-ran grub-mkconfig

         Each time I ran this, it saw the Arch partition.  And each time I
booted, this was not found in the grub menu at boot time.  It was shown as
a grub 2.x ...

   I am reluctant to try to reinstall grub2 as I don't know how it was
installed before.  Maybe there is a clue in the partition table.

Alan

From sgrace at pobox.com  Sat May  3 23:18:31 2014
From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steven Grace)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 20:18:31 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <xewv1n0150WyTQ001ewwES>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363DFAE.6080207@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2TqZ2+eJGG5p0rGFHgBFxnNHMFgLBBk6OF2tyhUy0__Ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANNJ_zhA3DSVoWn_ZbRyCR5K1TyiWZ0jU5yfXz_++AHG-4FDdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <xewv1n0150WyTQ001ewwES>
Message-ID: <5365B187.3090602@pobox.com>

On 05/03/2014 07:56 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> This is an interesting suggestion:
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dy installed Ubuntu successfully you probably
>> have a working boot manager from that install. So why not just use
>> that to boot into Arch Linux? I think Ubuntu uses GRUB2 so you can
>> have Ubuntu regenerate the menu entries and hopefully it would detect
>> Arch Linux on its own. If not you'll have to look up how to add the
>> menu entries manually.

I haven't been following this thread very closely, so forgive me if I've 
misunderstood the question.

I have a somewhat similar setup except that I have an older, non-UEFI 
machine.

I recently created an Arch installation but I also have three Xubuntu 
installations. The GRUB 2 installation belongs to one of the Xubuntu 
installs. The way I add the Arch installation from Xubuntu is:

* I mount the Arch partition in Xubuntu using the file manager. It gets 
mounted under /media/.

* From a terminal ($ prompt), I enter:

     sudo update-grub

When I reboot, the Arch installation is now visible in GRUB.

Note that this procedure has to be repeated when Xubuntu software 
updates bring in a new kernel, etc., as that runs "update-grub" behind 
the scenes.

I hope that helps.


From lngndvs at gmail.com  Sat May  3 23:42:40 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 20:42:40 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2TGo2CGpEPmS34OY8SY6gLPKDtdE1HQPBiZzKBXmLfrpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
 <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363DFAE.6080207@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2TqZ2+eJGG5p0rGFHgBFxnNHMFgLBBk6OF2tyhUy0__Ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANNJ_zhA3DSVoWn_ZbRyCR5K1TyiWZ0jU5yfXz_++AHG-4FDdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2TGo2CGpEPmS34OY8SY6gLPKDtdE1HQPBiZzKBXmLfrpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2QPccx5xn9EyUSzb5ssv1ebeB2h2ePX_dcxFeZ16mEO3A@mail.gmail.com>

In fact, in the partition table I have referenced above, the partition
preceding the Ubuntu / partition, has a "bios_grub" flag set, and it is
about 1 MB in length.


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is an interesting suggestion:
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Delcypher <delcypher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dy installed Ubuntu successfully you probably
>> have a working boot manager from that install. So why not just use
>> that to boot into Arch Linux? I think Ubuntu uses GRUB2 so you can
>> have Ubuntu regenerate the menu entries and hopefully it would detect
>> Arch Linux on its own. If not you'll have to look up how to add the
>> menu entries manually.
>>
>
> I tried several times, without any change to the boot menu.  The SDD
> device (perhaps a specific part)   and also a "windows boot manager" are
> items in a menu when  rebooting with Advanced Startup from Windows.
>
> The steps I used were:
>
>     - Ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
>     - changed the permissions of that file to +w
>     - re-ran grub-mkconfig
>
>          Each time I ran this, it saw the Arch partition.  And each time I
> booted, this was not found in the grub menu at boot time.  It was shown as
> a grub 2.x ...
>
>    I am reluctant to try to reinstall grub2 as I don't know how it was
> installed before.  Maybe there is a clue in the partition table.
>
> Alan
>

From karol at babioch.de  Sun May  4 06:06:28 2014
From: karol at babioch.de (Karol Babioch)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 12:06:28 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <53661124.9030306@babioch.de>

Hi,

Am 03.05.2014 19:57, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> NVIDIA's proprietary driver support is better.

I can't attest to whether or not it is better, because I haven't touched
ATI graphic cards for quite a while, but in my experience NVIDIA's
proprietary driver sucks big time. Last time I checked it didn't support
KMS natively and broke all sorts of stuff (e.g. terminals, resolution).

I've got a much smoother experience with nouveau, although it obviously
isn't as great as the proprietary one in terms of power management (e.g.
battery life) and performance.

Best regards,
Karol Babioch

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From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sun May  4 06:23:24 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 12:23:24 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <53661124.9030306@babioch.de>
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Message-ID: <1399199004.12462.12.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 12:06 +0200, Karol Babioch wrote:
> Am 03.05.2014 19:57, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> > NVIDIA's proprietary driver support is better.
> 
> I can't attest to whether or not it is better, because I haven't touched
> ATI graphic cards for quite a while, but in my experience NVIDIA's
> proprietary driver sucks big time. Last time I checked it didn't support
> KMS natively and broke all sorts of stuff (e.g. terminals, resolution).
> 
> I've got a much smoother experience with nouveau, although it obviously
> isn't as great as the proprietary one in terms of power management (e.g.
> battery life) and performance.

Hi,

as I already said, since I use linux-rt I prefer nouveau too. Using the
proprietary driver with linux-rt became impossible for me, while I'm
aware about the workarounds. However, I never was able to get the
proprietary driver working for my ATI card, for what kernel ever, but
with older linux-rt and always with vanilla linux the NVIDI proprietary
worked like a charm. When nouveau was introduced, it didn't work for my
card, it still didn't work when nv already was dropped. Last time I used
it, nouveau was very pleasant. At the moment I'm using the ATI.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
        ### Available Driver options are:-
        Driver      "radeon"
        #Driver	    "nvidia"
	#Driver	    "nv"
	#Driver     "nouveau"
        #Driver     "vesa"

Btw. vesa is a PITA.

Regards,
Ralf


From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sun May  4 06:39:03 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 12:39:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <53661124.9030306@babioch.de>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux> <53661124.9030306@babioch.de>
Message-ID: <1399199943.12462.19.camel@archlinux>

PS:

With linux-rt and the radeon driver real transparency as a desktop
effect does cause slow motion when moving windows. Fortunately I don't
need it, I even don't know, if the WM I currently prefer does support
real transparency, or even faked transparency. It's Jwm.

Google Earth does work well with both, nouveau and radeon, but I've got
the impression, that it's a little bit smoother for the NVIDIA card.


From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sun May  4 06:57:26 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 12:57:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <1399199943.12462.19.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1399199943.12462.19.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1399201046.12462.23.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 12:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> PS:
> 
> With linux-rt and the radeon driver real transparency as a desktop
> effect does cause slow motion when moving windows. Fortunately I don't
> need it, I even don't know, if the WM I currently prefer does support
> real transparency, or even faked transparency. It's Jwm.
> 
> Google Earth does work well with both, nouveau and radeon, but I've got
> the impression, that it's a little bit smoother for the NVIDIA card.

PPS:

Oops, I've forgotten that I'm using Jwm's <Opacity> option for some
things, so there is some kind of transparency, that doesn't cause
issues. I never used Jwm with my NVIDIA card.



From rodseth at gmail.com  Sun May  4 08:13:31 2014
From: rodseth at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Alexander_R=C3=B8dseth?=)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 14:13:31 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] sbcl is out of date
In-Reply-To: <CAL8enj2ir7-xdwVgya53UEsoAwpyf-0hj+wjmuOMAVF23i+w4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8enj2ir7-xdwVgya53UEsoAwpyf-0hj+wjmuOMAVF23i+w4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG7ayyuKvw3Y+795t5eEx8nGrcN_bDuu+4JNLwpjkvDuSsEOxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

As far as I know, there is no technical reason for the delay. It's
normal that it may take a little while before a package is updated.
After all, we are humans and not machines. :)

If you really need the very latest version immediately, I'm glad to
hear that you have already found a solution for that.

-- 
Best regards,
  Alexander R?dseth
  xyproto / TU

From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sun May  4 08:16:32 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 15:16:32 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <1399199943.12462.19.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux> <53661124.9030306@babioch.de>
 <1399199943.12462.19.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <CAJTPdEqCE1X3q0fYNBt88dmzZrtkLvhj2Afmxab1sAPX_Z8dXg@mail.gmail.com>

Guys please. This is -->**__NOT__**<-- the subject. No NVidia vs ATi Arch
support debate. Arch WILL NOT HANDLE the good card (currently nvidia
gtx660).
It will just hand it to the VM (windows) via VGA passthrough (either Xen or
KVM will be used).
Is that impossible to do with my NVidia?
If it is possible, is it easier with the ATi equivalent?

Do not ruin the subject please.

From jesse.jaara at gmail.com  Sun May  4 08:55:45 2014
From: jesse.jaara at gmail.com (Jesse Jaara)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 16:55:45 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJTPdErt9k_XE0TkzDhyODbOnNJa=EMnE-Vwmi2KyUKFKZbDTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1399208145.1696.4.camel@Euler>

la, 2014-05-03 kello 19:41 +0300, Dimitris Zervas kirjoitti:
> I've tried several months ago to go with Xen GPU passthrough but failed (I
> did not have much time). 

Just to make sure, you do have a system (CPU + Motherboard) that
supports IOMMU virtualization, don't you?

Sadly I do not have any information concerning the actual question you
asked.


From temlin at gmail.com  Sun May  4 09:27:56 2014
From: temlin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Temlin_Oliv=C3=A9r?=)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 15:27:56 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CAJTPdEqCE1X3q0fYNBt88dmzZrtkLvhj2Afmxab1sAPX_Z8dXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CANUjWeq=UvRD0FZf6KQPA3N_xzcTskF=gu6Uf3dhCcb3sjmT0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1399139849.633.23.camel@archlinux> <53661124.9030306@babioch.de>
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Message-ID: <CANxcQZ1naNroSS25Myhri7SPXTvsjUbeKCooQX8gBMLodXZ4yA@mail.gmail.com>

> It will just hand it to the VM (windows) via VGA passthrough (either Xen
or
> KVM will be used).
> Is that impossible to do with my NVidia?
> If it is possible, is it easier with the ATi equivalent?

It was already answered.
You would be handing the PCI device over to windows (since you have another
dedicated to linux), so the make does not matter in this case. If you can
accomplish that with your current card, than chances are you can do it with
any other. What matters is the kernel (and probably motherboard) support
for the passing of raw PCI devices, so a better question would be whether
to use Xen or KVM and on what motherboard.

- -Oliver Temlin

From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sun May  4 09:28:31 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 16:28:31 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <1399208145.1696.4.camel@Euler>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1399208145.1696.4.camel@Euler>
Message-ID: <CAJTPdEoA_o=GJhVqZMwgqOgQEPzaDVBq-U2HFErUDY2M3uJdzw@mail.gmail.com>

On May 4, 2014 3:55 PM, "Jesse Jaara" <jesse.jaara at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> la, 2014-05-03 kello 19:41 +0300, Dimitris Zervas kirjoitti:
> > I've tried several months ago to go with Xen GPU passthrough but failed
(I
> > did not have much time).
>
> Just to make sure, you do have a system (CPU + Motherboard) that
> supports IOMMU virtualization, don't you?
>
> Sadly I do not have any information concerning the actual question you
> asked.
>

Yes. I have an Asus P9X79 Deluxe mobo with an i7-3820 CPU.
Thank you anyway :p

From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sun May  4 10:53:21 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 17:53:21 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CANxcQZ1naNroSS25Myhri7SPXTvsjUbeKCooQX8gBMLodXZ4yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On May 4, 2014 4:27 PM, "Temlin Oliv?r" <temlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It will just hand it to the VM (windows) via VGA passthrough (either Xen
> or
> > KVM will be used).
> > Is that impossible to do with my NVidia?
> > If it is possible, is it easier with the ATi equivalent?
>
> It was already answered.
> You would be handing the PCI device over to windows (since you have
another
> dedicated to linux), so the make does not matter in this case. If you can
> accomplish that with your current card, than chances are you can do it
with
> any other. What matters is the kernel (and probably motherboard) support
> for the passing of raw PCI devices, so a better question would be whether
> to use Xen or KVM and on what motherboard.
>
> - -Oliver Temlin
I remember that the kernel had problems disabling the card (99% my fault)
but generally, after googling my problems back then I saw a kinda
better/easier way for the ATi
I also remember that you had to make your nvidia chip look like titan
(firmware modding), or something like that...

From meerdan2 at gmail.com  Sun May  4 12:52:22 2014
From: meerdan2 at gmail.com (Daniel Meer)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 18:52:22 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CANNJ_zhA3DSVoWn_ZbRyCR5K1TyiWZ0jU5yfXz_++AHG-4FDdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
 <f4d7a8f41637511160961f4fb6e4659c@archlinux.info>
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Message-ID: <53667046.4070704@gmail.com>


On 05/03/2014 04:55 PM, Delcypher wrote:
> On 3 May 2014 05:53, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have installed Archlinux on a partition, with a home partition.  I just
>> cannot boot into it.  I was able to boot into the USB flash drive.  I never
>> saw any messages about UEFI or legacy.
> The USB image supports legacy and UEFI boot.  I'm not 100% sure if
> this is a reliable method but when I boot up via legacy the
> /sys/firmware/efi folder does not exist but when I boot via UEFI the
> folder does exist.
> There is probably a way on your machine to disable legacy boot and
> also select to boot from USB when legacy boot is disabled.

When I installed Arch alongside Windows 8, I had the same problem that 
it didn't offer me a UEFI boot option. I think I had to disable CSM 
(Compatibility Support Module) in my BIOS settings. After that, it 
worked perfectly.

It will probably not be the same for you, since I have an Asus BIOS. But 
the option was about some "non-UEFI driver add-on devices". Hope that helps.

From sean at seangreenslade.com  Sun May  4 18:02:11 2014
From: sean at seangreenslade.com (Sean Greenslade)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 18:02:11 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <CAJTPdEoqACw8HRSaYn9M6Byh-ae1NV5=XbQsOYh04i6f9yfuUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20140504220211.GA2008@wheatley.wireless.rit.edu>

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 05:53:21PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
> On May 4, 2014 4:27 PM, "Temlin Oliv?r" <temlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It will just hand it to the VM (windows) via VGA passthrough (either Xen
> > or
> > > KVM will be used).
> > > Is that impossible to do with my NVidia?
> > > If it is possible, is it easier with the ATi equivalent?
> >
> > It was already answered.
> > You would be handing the PCI device over to windows (since you have
> another
> > dedicated to linux), so the make does not matter in this case. If you can
> > accomplish that with your current card, than chances are you can do it
> with
> > any other. What matters is the kernel (and probably motherboard) support
> > for the passing of raw PCI devices, so a better question would be whether
> > to use Xen or KVM and on what motherboard.
> >
> > - -Oliver Temlin
> I remember that the kernel had problems disabling the card (99% my fault)
> but generally, after googling my problems back then I saw a kinda
> better/easier way for the ATi
> I also remember that you had to make your nvidia chip look like titan
> (firmware modding), or something like that...

Read through the xen-users mailing list archive. There's been much
discussion on graphics card passthrough and many of
its...idiosyncrasies. The particular thing with NVidia cards is (if I
recall correctly) that the Geforce drivers do not like handling the
memory offsets that are necessary with "virtual" PCIe space. The
Quadro/Tesla drivers are OK with that, however, and it just so happens
that most of the Quadro/Tesla cards share a (binned) chipset with the
Geforce lines. So basically, you take a Geforce and mod it (hardware or
software, depending on the card) to trick the Quadro drivers into using
it.

Definitely do your research and confirm that the card you want to buy is
properly supported with Xen passthrough.

--Sean

From tk at kyriasis.com  Sun May  4 18:40:10 2014
From: tk at kyriasis.com (Tomasz Kramkowski)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 23:40:10 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Xbmc not boot
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA_LQZ6SUR4GSP2w36xYwEQHVE4sH36pMQRFLoK=i8ubSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA_LQZ6SUR4GSP2w36xYwEQHVE4sH36pMQRFLoK=i8ubSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140504224010.GA17584@arch>

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 09:34:01PM +0200, Maykel Franco wrote:
> Hi, I have installed archlinux + xbmc follow this step:
> 
> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_for_Linux_on_Arch_Linux
> 
> But I power on the machine:
> 
> 
> [root at arch-xbmc-test ~]# systemctl status xbmc
> * xbmc.service - Starts instance of XBMC using xinit
>    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/xbmc.service; enabled)
>    Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2014-05-03 23:30:35
> CEST; 1min 28s ago
>  Main PID: 180 (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)
> 
> May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[1]: Started Starts instance of
> XBMC using xinit.
> May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[180]: pam_unix(login:session):
> session opened for user xbmc by (uid=0)
> May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[1]: xbmc.service: main process
> exited, code=exited, status=203/EXEC
> May 03 23:30:35 arch-xbmc-test systemd[1]: Unit xbmc.service entered
> failed state.
> 
> 
> 
> xmbc not boot...
> 
> Thanks in advanced.

That article details two variations of installing XBMC. Can you please give
exact information as to what you did?
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From enwukaer at gmail.com  Mon May  5 08:11:34 2014
From: enwukaer at gmail.com (Nowaker)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:11:34 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
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References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <53677FF6.9040209@gmail.com>

Dimitris,

You may find this news interesting:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY4MTc

-- 
Kind regards,
Damian Nowak
StratusHost
www.AtlasHost.eu

From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Mon May  5 09:01:27 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:01:27 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Is ATI more... "compatible"?
In-Reply-To: <53677FF6.9040209@gmail.com>
References: <CAJTPdEpJtcp8+MkM54mfZaY85N9rkugG_tB1Ly-KMygz2LoX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On May 5, 2014 3:11 PM, "Nowaker" <enwukaer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dimitris,
>
> You may find this news interesting:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY4MTc
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Damian Nowak
> StratusHost
> www.AtlasHost.eu

Will I need a new mobo for this?
Or it's just sofware?

From mx34567 at gmail.com  Mon May  5 09:05:08 2014
From: mx34567 at gmail.com (Maciej Puzio)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 08:05:08 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <1398472357.3575.147.camel@wot>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
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I have been testing the issue for a week. Daily timers are fired
between 0:00 and 0:01 without exception - all timers at the same time,
all machines at the same time, every day at the same time. The largest
variation I have seen was 30 seconds. So yes, there is definitely an
issue with AccuracySec=12h not being honored.

However, whether timer accuracy is 30 seconds or 12 hours, this makes
little difference to me, as both are unacceptable without the
possibility to customize timer elapse time. I have reverted all my
Arch machines to previous cron-based config and intend to keep it this
way. Perhaps it is not "cool", but at least it works.

Which brings me to what I consider the most important problem here.
Having read the original thread on arch-dev-public I was left with an
impression that perceived "coolness" of the new setup took precedence
over consideration of its impact. As a result, modification has been
released without sufficient testing, as we can clearly see now. It did
not help that discussion was carried on a mailing list that does not
allow user comments. Perhaps a larger audience would have allowed a
consideration of alternative solutions. An example of such a solution
would be hourly/daily/monthly/weekly timers that execute scripts from
relevant /etc/cron.* directories. That would allow for removal of
cronie while sidestepping timer elapse problems that we are discussing
here. It would also have a benefit of handling all cron tasks in
addition to logrotate/updatedb/man-db/shadow.

Thanks
Maciej Puzio

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Mon May  5 10:05:51 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 07:05:51 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <53667046.4070704@gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
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Following up, I have taken more steps, with partial success.

The following two steps were taken:


   1. Installed Kubuntu the same way I originally insalled Ubuntu.  This
   time I noticed that the system booted in a BIOS and not UEFI state.  The
   result was that now two Ubuntu entries are found in Grub.  Grub is still
   only available after booting Windows 8.1, and rebooting through the
   "Advanced Boot Settings" facility.
   2. Installed Manjaro, and this time I walked through the System Settings
   (BIOS, so to speak) and set the system into EFI mode.  As best I recall.
   The system installed, and when I rebooted, a GRUB menu is presented with
   these three GNU/Linux boot options, but Windows 8.1 is no longer seen as
   available.

I don't care for now about Windows 8.1.  I hope it shows up later if
necessary, by switching the BIOS back to BIOS mode.


I had to identify the EFI partition.  Manjaro's installation tool was very
helpful in directing me to specify an EFI partition, which I was able to
idenify with gdisk.

Can I safely treat this Manjaro as an Arch installation?   I did this with
Antergos a couple of years ao, and it worked out fine.  Will I run into a
roadblock down the road?


Thank you for the many hellpful comments.


Alan Davis


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Daniel Meer <meerdan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 05/03/2014 04:55 PM, Delcypher wrote:
>
>> On 3 May 2014 05:53, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have installed Archlinux on a partition, with a home partition.  I just
>>> cannot boot into it.  I was able to boot into the USB flash drive.  I
>>> never
>>> saw any messages about UEFI or legacy.
>>>
>> The USB image supports legacy and UEFI boot.  I'm not 100% sure if
>> this is a reliable method but when I boot up via legacy the
>> /sys/firmware/efi folder does not exist but when I boot via UEFI the
>> folder does exist.
>> There is probably a way on your machine to disable legacy boot and
>> also select to boot from USB when legacy boot is disabled.
>>
>
> When I installed Arch alongside Windows 8, I had the same problem that it
> didn't offer me a UEFI boot option. I think I had to disable CSM
> (Compatibility Support Module) in my BIOS settings. After that, it worked
> perfectly.
>
> It will probably not be the same for you, since I have an Asus BIOS. But
> the option was about some "non-UEFI driver add-on devices". Hope that helps.
>

From lonewolf at xs4all.nl  Mon May  5 10:18:08 2014
From: lonewolf at xs4all.nl (LoneVVolf)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 16:18:08 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <CACH_MLWVjhstgm2M-ceSJQauAEv3-isEks1iXrH4X6s2kVE0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05-05-14 15:05, Maciej Puzio wrote:
> Perhaps a larger audience would have allowed a
> consideration of alternative solutions. An example of such a solution
> would be hourly/daily/monthly/weekly timers that execute scripts from
> relevant /etc/cron.* directories. That would allow for removal of
> cronie while sidestepping timer elapse problems that we are discussing
> here. It would also have a benefit of handling all cron tasks in
> addition to logrotate/updatedb/man-db/shadow.
>
> Thanks
> Maciej Puzio
That sounds like a good idea.
Instead of removing the entire cron system, this would allow 
systemd-timers to function as an alternative to cron.
it would also reduce the increasing dependency archlinux has on systemd 
as init system.

Lone_Wolf



From delcypher at gmail.com  Mon May  5 11:21:17 2014
From: delcypher at gmail.com (Delcypher)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:21:17 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Fwd: Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CANNJ_zigszbSsVLzmyG5GuVWfg1eJsMnbO866BoksPmTLSktNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
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> I tried several times, without any change to the boot menu.  The SDD device
> (perhaps a specific part)   and also a "windows boot manager" are items in
> a menu when  rebooting with Advanced Startup from Windows.
>
> The steps I used were:
>
>     - Ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
>     - changed the permissions of that file to +w
>     - re-ran grub-mkconfig

Why are you doing this? You generally shouldn't need to set the +w on
/boot/grub/grub.cfg. It should be set correctly for from the
beginning. Remember you should be root or using sudo when running
grub-mkconfig to write to /boot/grub/grub.cfg

$ ls -l /boot/grub/grub.cfg
-rw------- 1 root root 6209 Apr 22 18:29 /boot/grub/grub.cfg



>          Each time I ran this, it saw the Arch partition.  And each time I
> booted, this was not found in the grub menu at boot time.  It was shown as

1. You should check the contents /boot/grub/grub.cfg actually contains
the menu entries for Arch Linux
2. If you do see Arch Linux the menu entries in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
but then don't see them at boot then that mostly likely means
/boot/grub does not contain the grub files you are actually using at
boot time (i.e. your /boot is mounting the wrong thing!). Either that
or the menu you're looking at when booting isn't even GRUB!

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Mon May  5 13:18:10 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:18:10 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2Qa6PRi=i4Nt0UfJRL2aEdZznoNBdcHAnPS9517_14S0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <5367C7D2.9090007@gmail.com>

> Can I safely treat this Manjaro as an Arch installation?   I did this with
> Antergos a couple of years ao, and it worked out fine.  Will I run into a
> roadblock down the road?

Antergos is Arch Linux, Manjaro isn't.

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From thomas at archlinux.org  Mon May  5 13:18:37 2014
From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?UTF-8?B?VGhvbWFzIELDpGNobGVy?=)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 19:18:37 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
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Am 05.05.2014 15:05, schrieb Maciej Puzio:
> I have been testing the issue for a week. Daily timers are fired
> between 0:00 and 0:01 without exception - all timers at the same time,
> all machines at the same time, every day at the same time. The largest
> variation I have seen was 30 seconds. So yes, there is definitely an
> issue with AccuracySec=12h not being honored.
> 
> However, whether timer accuracy is 30 seconds or 12 hours, this makes
> little difference to me, as both are unacceptable without the
> possibility to customize timer elapse time.

Of course you can configure the elapse time, by adjusting the associated
.timer unit. With anacron, there was no way to adjust the time, so this
is a step forward.


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From lisaev at umail.iu.edu  Mon May  5 13:21:18 2014
From: lisaev at umail.iu.edu (Leonid Isaev)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:21:18 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
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Hi,

On Mon, 5 May 2014 08:05:08 -0500
Maciej Puzio <mx34567 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been testing the issue for a week. Daily timers are fired
> between 0:00 and 0:01 without exception - all timers at the same time,
> all machines at the same time, every day at the same time. The largest
> variation I have seen was 30 seconds. So yes, there is definitely an
> issue with AccuracySec=12h not being honored.

AFAIU systemd is supposed to start timers "randomly" in the time interval
[1d, 1d + 12h]; different timers are started in parallel. Are you arguing that
the starting time is not "random" enough?

> 
> However, whether timer accuracy is 30 seconds or 12 hours, this makes
> little difference to me, as both are unacceptable without the
> possibility to customize timer elapse time. I have reverted all my
> Arch machines to previous cron-based config and intend to keep it this
> way. Perhaps it is not "cool", but at least it works.

You misunderstood the point here.

Systemd timers (at least in the current form) are _not_ cron replacement.
However, they are adequate for daily maintainance jobs that are shipped with
packages. If you had custom, carefully scheduled cron jobs, you should
continue using cronie. What I don't understand is why do you care when
man-db/updatedb runs?

> 
> An example of such a solution
> would be hourly/daily/monthly/weekly timers that execute scripts from
> relevant /etc/cron.* directories. That would allow for removal of
> cronie while sidestepping timer elapse problems that we are discussing
> here. It would also have a benefit of handling all cron tasks in
> addition to logrotate/updatedb/man-db/shadow.

The scripts mainly set up the environment which is now done by systemd. You
issue is with scheduling, and it will _not_ go away because scripts are still
executed by systemd (as opposed to cronie).

Cheers,
-- 
Leonid Isaev
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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Mon May  5 13:25:55 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:25:55 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <CACH_MLWVjhstgm2M-ceSJQauAEv3-isEks1iXrH4X6s2kVE0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05/05/14 09:05 AM, Maciej Puzio wrote:
> I have been testing the issue for a week. Daily timers are fired
> between 0:00 and 0:01 without exception - all timers at the same time,
> all machines at the same time, every day at the same time. The largest
> variation I have seen was 30 seconds. So yes, there is definitely an
> issue with AccuracySec=12h not being honored.
> 
> However, whether timer accuracy is 30 seconds or 12 hours, this makes
> little difference to me, as both are unacceptable without the
> possibility to customize timer elapse time. I have reverted all my
> Arch machines to previous cron-based config and intend to keep it this
> way. Perhaps it is not "cool", but at least it works.
> 
> Which brings me to what I consider the most important problem here.
> Having read the original thread on arch-dev-public I was left with an
> impression that perceived "coolness" of the new setup took precedence
> over consideration of its impact. As a result, modification has been
> released without sufficient testing, as we can clearly see now. It did
> not help that discussion was carried on a mailing list that does not
> allow user comments. Perhaps a larger audience would have allowed a
> consideration of alternative solutions. An example of such a solution
> would be hourly/daily/monthly/weekly timers that execute scripts from
> relevant /etc/cron.* directories. That would allow for removal of
> cronie while sidestepping timer elapse problems that we are discussing
> here. It would also have a benefit of handling all cron tasks in
> addition to logrotate/updatedb/man-db/shadow.
> 
> Thanks
> Maciej Puzio

cronie was not enabled by default before and these systemd timers are,
so there has been an improvement in the default configuration.

The issue of systemd not spreading out the timers enough can be fixed,
because if true it's a bug.

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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Tue May  6 01:03:47 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:03:47 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <5367C7D2.9090007@gmail.com>
References: <5362f29e.8f258c0a.4fc3.ffff8a79@mx.google.com>
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Well, the new wrinkle is that I can no longer find Windows.  I turned back
to "Both" as the boot mode.  All I see is the two Ubuntu options, and
Manjaro, the default.


Now I am in an unbeleivable situation where I am applying for a teaching
certificate in a state where the system actually will not work with
Firefox.  The site says that IE is required.  I can get most things to work
wtih Chrome.   However, I have run into a wrinkle where nothing is working,
so i need Windoze, much to my consternation.

Otherwise I would not worry about this issue.  I would proceed from here
with these GNU/Linux installs.

Thank you for all the advice.  Had I understood, I would have followed more
of it, and possibly with full awareness of consequences.

Alan Davis




On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Can I safely treat this Manjaro as an Arch installation?   I did this
> with
> > Antergos a couple of years ao, and it worked out fine.  Will I run into a
> > roadblock down the road?
>
> Antergos is Arch Linux, Manjaro isn't.
>
>

From marcel.lists at gmail.com  Tue May  6 09:45:25 2014
From: marcel.lists at gmail.com (Marcel Korpel)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 15:45:25 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] .desktop and install files in general & Eclipse
	package not complete?
Message-ID: <CAJuji_Fbu5kkDGj5k6Z9ct+ze+8_6nfxVHrTiZWdM6qfuXwacQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I already asked this at the forums, but didn't get an answer yet, so
I'll re-explain my question(s) here. I just want to master creating
packages with .desktop files and icon theme, but I think what I find
and what is suggested differ significantly.

In the GNOME Package Guidelines there's a section about .desktop files
and the like. [1] It states that running

update-desktop-database -q

during post_install and post_remove is recommended (note that it
doesn't state it's *required*). However, the Eclipse package doesn't
do that. [2] It even doesn't depend on hicolor-icon-theme, as is
required when issuing

gtk-update-icon-cache -q -t -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor

during post_install (namcap didn't complain about this dependency, as
it usually does, like about mars-mips: [3]

mars-mips E: Files in /usr/share/icons/hicolor but no call to
gtk-update-icon-cache or xdg-icon-resource to update the icon cache

(there are other issues with that package, about which I'll inform the
package maintainer at a later moment)).

On a second thought, issuing

$ pacman -Qo gtk-update-icon-cache
/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache is owned by gtk-update-icon-cache 2.24.23-1

So shouldn't those packages with an icon theme depend on
gtk-update-icon-cache instead of just on hicolor-icon-theme?

Is the Eclipse package wrong or is the Wiki not complete (also note
that the recommended install file of gedit [4] isn't that complete: it
doesn't contain a call to gtk-update-icon-cache as it doesn't contain
a hicolor icon theme; perhaps we should look for another example)?
When the former is the case, I'll file a bug report. Else, please
explain to me what to do with icon themes and .desktop files.

I hope I expressed myself clearly.

Regards,
Marcel

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME_Package_Guidelines#.desktop_files
[2] https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/eclipse/repos/extra-x86_64
[3] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mars-mips/
[4] https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/gedit.install?h=packages/gedit

From sm at ara-ler.com  Tue May  6 10:33:47 2014
From: sm at ara-ler.com (Sergey Manucharian)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 08:33:47 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2RXj0OwDwiVsPMVSQE_3NUiUOP7yoyyPgF0vByCwOkyWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20140506143347.GG14875@dendrobates.laser>

Excerpts from Alan E. Davis's message from Mon 05-May-14 22:03:
> However, I have run into a wrinkle where nothing is working,
> so i need Windoze, much to my consternation.

Well, the easiest and quickest way would be installing Windows in
VirtualBox, that's a think you may want to have anyway.

Personally I have even three of them: Windows XP, Windows 7 32 bit,
Windows 7 64 bit. Most of the time I have them in a saved state (not
running).

Cheers,
Sergey

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Tue May  6 11:55:26 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 10:55:26 -0500
Subject: [arch-general]
	=?utf-8?q?=2Edesktop_and_install_files_in_general_?=
	=?utf-8?q?=26_Eclipse__package_not_complete=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJuji_Fbu5kkDGj5k6Z9ct+ze+8_6nfxVHrTiZWdM6qfuXwacQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJuji_Fbu5kkDGj5k6Z9ct+ze+8_6nfxVHrTiZWdM6qfuXwacQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2da9384047555ec6e61bf6298e994153@archlinux.info>

On 2014-05-06 08:45, Marcel Korpel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I already asked this at the forums, but didn't get an answer yet, so
> I'll re-explain my question(s) here. I just want to master creating
> packages with .desktop files and icon theme, but I think what I find
> and what is suggested differ significantly.
> 
> In the GNOME Package Guidelines there's a section about .desktop files
> and the like. [1] It states that running
> 
> update-desktop-database -q
> 
> during post_install and post_remove is recommended (note that it
> doesn't state it's *required*). However, the Eclipse package doesn't
> do that. [2]

Have you bothered finding out what that command actually does? Once you 
do, you'd see that it's useless in this case.

> It even doesn't depend on hicolor-icon-theme, as is
> required when issuing
> 
> gtk-update-icon-cache -q -t -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor
> 
> during post_install (namcap didn't complain about this dependency, as
> it usually does, like about mars-mips: [3]
> 
> mars-mips E: Files in /usr/share/icons/hicolor but no call to
> gtk-update-icon-cache or xdg-icon-resource to update the icon cache
> 
> (there are other issues with that package, about which I'll inform the
> package maintainer at a later moment)).
> 
> On a second thought, issuing
> 
> $ pacman -Qo gtk-update-icon-cache
> /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache is owned by gtk-update-icon-cache 
> 2.24.23-1
> 
> So shouldn't those packages with an icon theme depend on
> gtk-update-icon-cache instead of just on hicolor-icon-theme?

eclipse depends on gtk2, which depends on gtk-update-icon-cache, which 
depends on hicolor-icon-theme. The deps are already satisfied, which is 
why namcap didn't complain.

> 
> Is the Eclipse package wrong or is the Wiki not complete (also note
> that the recommended install file of gedit [4] isn't that complete: it
> doesn't contain a call to gtk-update-icon-cache as it doesn't contain
> a hicolor icon theme; perhaps we should look for another example)?
> When the former is the case, I'll file a bug report. Else, please
> explain to me what to do with icon themes and .desktop files.

If it doesn't install an icon, there's obviously no need to call 
gtk-update-icon-cache.

> 
> I hope I expressed myself clearly.
> 
> Regards,
> Marcel
> 
> [1] 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME_Package_Guidelines#.desktop_files
> [2]
> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/eclipse/repos/extra-x86_64
> [3] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mars-mips/
> [4]
> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/gedit.install?h=packages/gedit


From marcel.lists at gmail.com  Tue May  6 12:10:21 2014
From: marcel.lists at gmail.com (Marcel Korpel)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:10:21 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] .desktop and install files in general & Eclipse
 package not complete?
In-Reply-To: <2da9384047555ec6e61bf6298e994153@archlinux.info>
References: <CAJuji_Fbu5kkDGj5k6Z9ct+ze+8_6nfxVHrTiZWdM6qfuXwacQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2da9384047555ec6e61bf6298e994153@archlinux.info>
Message-ID: <CAJuji_FDQuROZoYQn8Cz398sx-0S9dQFjwBQjJVLCxekb2jnqw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info> wrote:
> On 2014-05-06 08:45, Marcel Korpel wrote:
>> update-desktop-database -q
[?]
> Have you bothered finding out what that command actually does? Once you do,
> you'd see that it's useless in this case.

Ah, it's only necessary to update the MIME cache, so files with a
certain extension are automatically loaded within a certain
application? Sorry, I don't use a desktop environment, so I didn't
know what the behaviour was.

>> $ pacman -Qo gtk-update-icon-cache
>> /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache is owned by gtk-update-icon-cache 2.24.23-1
>>
>> So shouldn't those packages with an icon theme depend on
>> gtk-update-icon-cache instead of just on hicolor-icon-theme?
> eclipse depends on gtk2, which depends on gtk-update-icon-cache, which
> depends on hicolor-icon-theme. The deps are already satisfied, which is why
> namcap didn't complain.

So, about eclipse: it isn't necessary, but in general: the Wiki should
say that gtk-update-icon-cache should be included as a dependency (if
it isn't satisfied by something else) instead of hicolor-icon-theme,
which doesn't provide gtk-update-icon-cache. Am I right?

>> Is the Eclipse package wrong or is the Wiki not complete (also note
>> that the recommended install file of gedit [4] isn't that complete: it
>> doesn't contain a call to gtk-update-icon-cache as it doesn't contain
>> a hicolor icon theme; perhaps we should look for another example)?
> If it doesn't install an icon, there's obviously no need to call
> gtk-update-icon-cache.

No, of course not, but the Wiki says: "The gedit package contains a
very generic install file". However, the gedit install file isn't as
generic as claimed: it isn't targeted at updating the icon cache.

Regards,
Marcel

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Tue May  6 12:35:05 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 11:35:05 -0500
Subject: [arch-general]
	=?utf-8?q?=2Edesktop_and_install_files_in_general_?=
	=?utf-8?q?=26_Eclipse__package_not_complete=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJuji_FDQuROZoYQn8Cz398sx-0S9dQFjwBQjJVLCxekb2jnqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJuji_Fbu5kkDGj5k6Z9ct+ze+8_6nfxVHrTiZWdM6qfuXwacQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <10981e66c7079c3d01e7e9598386e114@archlinux.info>

On 2014-05-06 11:10, Marcel Korpel wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info> 
> wrote:
>> On 2014-05-06 08:45, Marcel Korpel wrote:
>>> update-desktop-database -q
> [?]
>> Have you bothered finding out what that command actually does? Once 
>> you do,
>> you'd see that it's useless in this case.
> 
> Ah, it's only necessary to update the MIME cache, so files with a
> certain extension are automatically loaded within a certain
> application? Sorry, I don't use a desktop environment, so I didn't
> know what the behaviour was.
> 
>>> $ pacman -Qo gtk-update-icon-cache
>>> /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache is owned by gtk-update-icon-cache 
>>> 2.24.23-1
>>> 
>>> So shouldn't those packages with an icon theme depend on
>>> gtk-update-icon-cache instead of just on hicolor-icon-theme?
>> eclipse depends on gtk2, which depends on gtk-update-icon-cache, which
>> depends on hicolor-icon-theme. The deps are already satisfied, which 
>> is why
>> namcap didn't complain.
> 
> So, about eclipse: it isn't necessary, but in general: the Wiki should
> say that gtk-update-icon-cache should be included as a dependency (if
> it isn't satisfied by something else) instead of hicolor-icon-theme,
> which doesn't provide gtk-update-icon-cache. Am I right?

If you're going to run a program, it obviously needs to be a dependency.

>>> Is the Eclipse package wrong or is the Wiki not complete (also note
>>> that the recommended install file of gedit [4] isn't that complete: 
>>> it
>>> doesn't contain a call to gtk-update-icon-cache as it doesn't contain
>>> a hicolor icon theme; perhaps we should look for another example)?
>> If it doesn't install an icon, there's obviously no need to call
>> gtk-update-icon-cache.
> 
> No, of course not, but the Wiki says: "The gedit package contains a
> very generic install file". However, the gedit install file isn't as
> generic as claimed: it isn't targeted at updating the icon cache.

That section is very out of date. Looks like the substance hasn't really 
changed since it was first created in 2008, even though the install file 
has changed. The pkgname variable referenced hasn't even existed since 
2011.

> 
> Regards,
> Marcel

From mx34567 at gmail.com  Tue May  6 14:23:26 2014
From: mx34567 at gmail.com (Maciej Puzio)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:23:26 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <20140505122118.4be23221@bluemoon>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thomas B?chler wrote:
> Of course you can configure the elapse time, by adjusting the associated
> .timer unit. With anacron, there was no way to adjust the time, so this
> is a step forward.

As I wrote before, I can edit every timer file and set the elapse
time. What I can't do is to change one setting which says when daily
maintenance tasks are run. This was possible with cron, but is no
longer possible now. What's the problem to edit four files? Well, this
is multiplied by the number of machines that are under my care.
Again, here is relevant systemd RFE link:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77938

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu> wrote:
> AFAIU systemd is supposed to start timers "randomly" in the time interval
> [1d, 1d + 12h]; different timers are started in parallel. Are you arguing that
> the starting time is not "random" enough?

I am not arguing on what systemd is supposed to do, but describing
what it is doing in practice. Testing shows that there is a clear
discrepancy between the former and the latter, possibly a result of a
bug. From what I have seen, there is no randomness in timer elapse
time at all.

> Systemd timers (at least in the current form) are _not_ cron replacement.
> However, they are adequate for daily maintainance jobs that are shipped with
> packages. If you had custom, carefully scheduled cron jobs, you should
> continue using cronie. What I don't understand is why do you care when
> man-db/updatedb runs?

Updatedb is I/O intensive and should run at time when servers are
least used. I am not really the first person to bump into this issue;
maintenance tasks were by default scheduled to run between 4 and 7am
since the dawn of Linux. That is - until now. In Arch they now run at
midnight.

> The scripts mainly set up the environment which is now done by systemd. You
> issue is with scheduling, and it will _not_ go away because scripts are still
> executed by systemd (as opposed to cronie).

No, my main issue is system maintainability. I find it unacceptable to
separately schedule every single maintenance script on every machine.
With cron I could just schedule when daily jobs were run - that was
one setting.

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Tue May  6 15:08:12 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:08:12 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>

maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 multilib is up to date
 archlinuxfr is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
:: Replace haskell-transformers with extra/ghc? [Y/n]
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: shairplay and libshairport are in conflict. Remove libshairport? [y/N] Y
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: haskell-mmap: requires ghc=7.6.3


Hi, cannot update archlinux...

Can I help me please??

Thanks in advanced.

From luc.linux at mailoo.org  Tue May  6 14:57:45 2014
From: luc.linux at mailoo.org (luc.linux at mailoo.org)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:57:45 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140506185745.GC2206@luc-arch>

On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 09:08:12PM +0200, Maykel Franco wrote:
> maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -Syu
> :: Synchronizing package databases...
>  core is up to date
>  extra is up to date
>  community is up to date
>  multilib is up to date
>  archlinuxfr is up to date
> :: Starting full system upgrade...
> :: Replace haskell-transformers with extra/ghc? [Y/n]
> resolving dependencies...
> looking for inter-conflicts...
> :: shairplay and libshairport are in conflict. Remove libshairport? [y/N] Y
> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
> :: haskell-mmap: requires ghc=7.6.3
> 
> 
> Hi, cannot update archlinux...
> 
> Can I help me please??
> 
> Thanks in advanced.

Deleting libshairport manually should fix the error.

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From marcel.lists at gmail.com  Tue May  6 15:13:45 2014
From: marcel.lists at gmail.com (Marcel Korpel)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:13:45 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
> maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -Syu
> :: Synchronizing package databases...
>  core is up to date
>  extra is up to date
>  community is up to date
>  multilib is up to date
>  archlinuxfr is up to date
> :: Starting full system upgrade...
> :: Replace haskell-transformers with extra/ghc? [Y/n]
> resolving dependencies...
> looking for inter-conflicts...
> :: shairplay and libshairport are in conflict. Remove libshairport? [y/N] Y
> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
> :: haskell-mmap: requires ghc=7.6.3

Could you try to install haskell-mmap with dependency ghc>=7.6.3?

Regards,
Marcel

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Tue May  6 15:18:19 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:18:19 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJuji_HFYqLMq8r5dOMRjq2wskg-XU6Q+eoDvHWdr70Ky1S6kQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_HFYqLMq8r5dOMRjq2wskg-XU6Q+eoDvHWdr70Ky1S6kQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA8DcEyBgFEMb2bg7LyZ76G95WxtOVh6RxG6fTVEy2wjCg@mail.gmail.com>

2014-05-06 21:13 GMT+02:00 Marcel Korpel <marcel.lists at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -Syu
>> :: Synchronizing package databases...
>>  core is up to date
>>  extra is up to date
>>  community is up to date
>>  multilib is up to date
>>  archlinuxfr is up to date
>> :: Starting full system upgrade...
>> :: Replace haskell-transformers with extra/ghc? [Y/n]
>> resolving dependencies...
>> looking for inter-conflicts...
>> :: shairplay and libshairport are in conflict. Remove libshairport? [y/N] Y
>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>> :: haskell-mmap: requires ghc=7.6.3
>
> Could you try to install haskell-mmap with dependency ghc>=7.6.3?
>
> Regards,
> Marcel

maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -R libshairport
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: xbmc: requires libshairport

From marcel.lists at gmail.com  Tue May  6 15:20:05 2014
From: marcel.lists at gmail.com (Marcel Korpel)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:20:05 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA8DcEyBgFEMb2bg7LyZ76G95WxtOVh6RxG6fTVEy2wjCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_HFYqLMq8r5dOMRjq2wskg-XU6Q+eoDvHWdr70Ky1S6kQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ2aOA8DcEyBgFEMb2bg7LyZ76G95WxtOVh6RxG6fTVEy2wjCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJuji_H9Y9_BRAtci69_dPrBc4uwd9nQJDLPys2qypg8BQUSTA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2014-05-06 21:13 GMT+02:00 Marcel Korpel <marcel.lists at gmail.com>:
>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -Syu
>>> :: Synchronizing package databases...
>>>  core is up to date
>>>  extra is up to date
>>>  community is up to date
>>>  multilib is up to date
>>>  archlinuxfr is up to date
>>> :: Starting full system upgrade...
>>> :: Replace haskell-transformers with extra/ghc? [Y/n]
>>> resolving dependencies...
>>> looking for inter-conflicts...
>>> :: shairplay and libshairport are in conflict. Remove libshairport? [y/N] Y
>>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>>> :: haskell-mmap: requires ghc=7.6.3
>>
>> Could you try to install haskell-mmap with dependency ghc>=7.6.3?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marcel
>
> maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -R libshairport
> checking dependencies...
> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
> :: xbmc: requires libshairport

?

I did not suggest you should remove libshairport manually, but change
the PKGBUILD of haskell-mmap and try again.

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Tue May  6 15:23:09 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 12:23:09 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
In-Reply-To: <20140506143347.GG14875@dendrobates.laser>
References: <CAF-1L2QyocH14K3gzfv5wUokOyRwLpoXQCmKoZw+PMgc7Q8yGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363C0D7.30201@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2QrfO8Vxy4yQMectefLcaq2yZg9xOYyEdsdyCFTFc0cRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5363DFAE.6080207@markelee.com>
 <CAF-1L2TqZ2+eJGG5p0rGFHgBFxnNHMFgLBBk6OF2tyhUy0__Ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANNJ_zhA3DSVoWn_ZbRyCR5K1TyiWZ0jU5yfXz_++AHG-4FDdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <53667046.4070704@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2Qa6PRi=i4Nt0UfJRL2aEdZznoNBdcHAnPS9517_14S0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <5367C7D2.9090007@gmail.com>
 <CAF-1L2RXj0OwDwiVsPMVSQE_3NUiUOP7yoyyPgF0vByCwOkyWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140506143347.GG14875@dendrobates.laser>
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2Tjqjp_xoKB-7Ysb92ZSb5AoyP=p=ONGz6w61+eH0apFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the responses, once again.  I found that on my laptop, F12
will give all boot options.  The windows boot manaer is listed, as are any
USB iso, and (I think) grub wiht three Linux options.


So all is well, pretty much.  I am still plannin to experiment with
installing Arch.

Alan


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Sergey Manucharian <sm at ara-ler.com> wrote:

> Excerpts from Alan E. Davis's message from Mon 05-May-14 22:03:
> > However, I have run into a wrinkle where nothing is working,
> > so i need Windoze, much to my consternation.
>
> Well, the easiest and quickest way would be installing Windows in
> VirtualBox, that's a think you may want to have anyway.
>
> Personally I have even three of them: Windows XP, Windows 7 32 bit,
> Windows 7 64 bit. Most of the time I have them in a saved state (not
> running).
>
> Cheers,
> Sergey
>

From hunter.t.joz at gmail.com  Tue May  6 15:48:26 2014
From: hunter.t.joz at gmail.com (Hunter Jozwiak)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 15:48:26 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Creating a Desktop Sound Scheme
Message-ID: <CAJ1hvUEL+Cm9vKjW0rMeEPqZdJQz7ScK10N3qsOovYm8uy98dg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all. I've been searching around on the internet, trying to track
down information on this topic, but I can't find a clear cut guide.
So, my question is this: how do you make your own sound notification
scheme for Gnome?

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Tue May  6 16:08:32 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 22:08:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJuji_H9Y9_BRAtci69_dPrBc4uwd9nQJDLPys2qypg8BQUSTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_HFYqLMq8r5dOMRjq2wskg-XU6Q+eoDvHWdr70Ky1S6kQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ2aOA8DcEyBgFEMb2bg7LyZ76G95WxtOVh6RxG6fTVEy2wjCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_H9Y9_BRAtci69_dPrBc4uwd9nQJDLPys2qypg8BQUSTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA-28cTOBzcA=YyVYvo5ZHv+DOrM5R+MLLPfMX=uSt2Dug@mail.gmail.com>

2014-05-06 21:20 GMT+02:00 Marcel Korpel <marcel.lists at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2014-05-06 21:13 GMT+02:00 Marcel Korpel <marcel.lists at gmail.com>:
>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -Syu
>>>> :: Synchronizing package databases...
>>>>  core is up to date
>>>>  extra is up to date
>>>>  community is up to date
>>>>  multilib is up to date
>>>>  archlinuxfr is up to date
>>>> :: Starting full system upgrade...
>>>> :: Replace haskell-transformers with extra/ghc? [Y/n]
>>>> resolving dependencies...
>>>> looking for inter-conflicts...
>>>> :: shairplay and libshairport are in conflict. Remove libshairport? [y/N] Y
>>>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>>>> :: haskell-mmap: requires ghc=7.6.3
>>>
>>> Could you try to install haskell-mmap with dependency ghc>=7.6.3?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Marcel
>>
>> maykel at arch-maykel ~/ $ LANG=C sudo pacman -R libshairport
>> checking dependencies...
>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>> :: xbmc: requires libshairport
>
> ?
>
> I did not suggest you should remove libshairport manually, but change
> the PKGBUILD of haskell-mmap and try again.

Cannot found any package called haskell-mmap:

LANG=C sudo pacman -Ss haskell-mmap

THanks.

From marcel.lists at gmail.com  Tue May  6 16:12:51 2014
From: marcel.lists at gmail.com (Marcel Korpel)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 22:12:51 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA-28cTOBzcA=YyVYvo5ZHv+DOrM5R+MLLPfMX=uSt2Dug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_HFYqLMq8r5dOMRjq2wskg-XU6Q+eoDvHWdr70Ky1S6kQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ2aOA8DcEyBgFEMb2bg7LyZ76G95WxtOVh6RxG6fTVEy2wjCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_H9Y9_BRAtci69_dPrBc4uwd9nQJDLPys2qypg8BQUSTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ2aOA-28cTOBzcA=YyVYvo5ZHv+DOrM5R+MLLPfMX=uSt2Dug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJuji_GBntFXhfE97mhHcHUs3dyc01q-SQHcWj=zT=3xcgFnFg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cannot found any package called haskell-mmap:
>
> LANG=C sudo pacman -Ss haskell-mmap

It's in the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/haskell-mmap

From lisaev at umail.iu.edu  Tue May  6 16:13:34 2014
From: lisaev at umail.iu.edu (Leonid Isaev)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 15:13:34 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <CACH_MLV8Y769PO6PuDR9jWzS4WHHchn2H87m2hBkpisprEf5+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5359396D.6070407@archlinux.org>
 <CACH_MLXCmq+VV2EK+bgn+L+6gJiy-iMmfC+VK1iEmdy0b-yaPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1398460744.3575.124.camel@wot> <20140425173831.2e116300@bluemoon>
 <1398472357.3575.147.camel@wot>
 <CACH_MLWVjhstgm2M-ceSJQauAEv3-isEks1iXrH4X6s2kVE0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140505122118.4be23221@bluemoon>
 <CACH_MLV8Y769PO6PuDR9jWzS4WHHchn2H87m2hBkpisprEf5+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140506151334.2907bcbe@bluemoon>

On Tue, 6 May 2014 13:23:26 -0500
Maciej Puzio <mx34567 at gmail.com> wrote:

> As I wrote before, I can edit every timer file and set the elapse
> time. What I can't do is to change one setting which says when daily
> maintenance tasks are run. This was possible with cron, but is no
> longer possible now. What's the problem to edit four files? Well, this
> is multiplied by the number of machines that are under my care.
> Again, here is relevant systemd RFE link:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77938

This is bogus.

See "man 7 systemd.time"; what you want is something like "OnCalendar=*-*-*
04:10:20" for a job that runs every day at 4:10:20 AM.

> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu> wrote:
> > Systemd timers (at least in the current form) are _not_ cron replacement.
> > However, they are adequate for daily maintainance jobs that are shipped
> > with packages. If you had custom, carefully scheduled cron jobs, you should
> > continue using cronie. What I don't understand is why do you care when
> > man-db/updatedb runs?

After re-reading the documentation I have to take this back, systemd timers
seem to implement all features provided by cronie.

Cheers,
-- 
Leonid Isaev
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From krejzi at email.com  Tue May  6 16:16:51 2014
From: krejzi at email.com (Armin K.)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 22:16:51 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Creating a Desktop Sound Scheme
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1hvUEL+Cm9vKjW0rMeEPqZdJQz7ScK10N3qsOovYm8uy98dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1hvUEL+Cm9vKjW0rMeEPqZdJQz7ScK10N3qsOovYm8uy98dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53694333.6000906@email.com>

On 05/06/2014 09:48 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
> Hi all. I've been searching around on the internet, trying to track
> down information on this topic, but I can't find a clear cut guide.
> So, my question is this: how do you make your own sound notification
> scheme for Gnome?
> 

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/sound-theme-spec/

-- 
Note: My last name is not Krejzi.

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Tue May  6 16:28:48 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 16:28:48 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <20140506151334.2907bcbe@bluemoon>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5359396D.6070407@archlinux.org>
 <CACH_MLXCmq+VV2EK+bgn+L+6gJiy-iMmfC+VK1iEmdy0b-yaPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1398460744.3575.124.camel@wot> <20140425173831.2e116300@bluemoon>
 <1398472357.3575.147.camel@wot>
 <CACH_MLWVjhstgm2M-ceSJQauAEv3-isEks1iXrH4X6s2kVE0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <53694600.1090506@gmail.com>

On 06/05/14 04:13 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
>
> After re-reading the documentation I have to take this back, systemd timers
> seem to implement all features provided by cronie.

AFAIK, the only notable missing feature is the ability for non-root
users to run jobs when they're not logged in. This is intentionally left
out, and it's not hard for an administrator to replicate the feature
with a timer unit for a specific user allowed to run jobs.

(of course, this isn't really the topic at hand :P)

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From eqyiel at gmail.com  Tue May  6 16:35:47 2014
From: eqyiel at gmail.com (Ruben Maher)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 06:05:47 +0930
Subject: [arch-general] Creating a Desktop Sound Scheme
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1hvUEL+Cm9vKjW0rMeEPqZdJQz7ScK10N3qsOovYm8uy98dg@mail.gmail.com> (Hunter
 Jozwiak's message of "Tue, 6 May 2014 15:48:26 -0400")
References: <CAJ1hvUEL+Cm9vKjW0rMeEPqZdJQz7ScK10N3qsOovYm8uy98dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871tw6ir18.fsf@alcor.rkm.id.au>

Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi all. I've been searching around on the internet, trying to track
> down information on this topic, but I can't find a clear cut guide.
> So, my question is this: how do you make your own sound notification
> scheme for Gnome?

I would start by checking out the freedesktop sound spec [1] and the
sound-theme-freedesktop package [2] from extra.

[1] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/sound-theme-spec/
[2] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/sound-theme-freedesktop/

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Tue May  6 20:39:42 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 19:39:42 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJuji_GBntFXhfE97mhHcHUs3dyc01q-SQHcWj=zT=3xcgFnFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_HFYqLMq8r5dOMRjq2wskg-XU6Q+eoDvHWdr70Ky1S6kQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ2aOA8DcEyBgFEMb2bg7LyZ76G95WxtOVh6RxG6fTVEy2wjCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJuji_H9Y9_BRAtci69_dPrBc4uwd9nQJDLPys2qypg8BQUSTA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAJuji_GBntFXhfE97mhHcHUs3dyc01q-SQHcWj=zT=3xcgFnFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07947972e5d395a81cd1b6287ad83050@archlinux.info>

On 2014-05-06 15:12, Marcel Korpel wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Cannot found any package called haskell-mmap:
>> 
>> LANG=C sudo pacman -Ss haskell-mmap
> 
> It's in the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/haskell-mmap

So you are responsible for managing it. In this case, remove it, 
upgrade, then reinstall it.

Basic stuff.

From ismael.bouya at normalesup.org  Wed May  7 01:15:33 2014
From: ismael.bouya at normalesup.org (Ismael Bouya)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:15:33 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <53694600.1090506@gmail.com>
References: <5359396D.6070407@archlinux.org>
 <CACH_MLXCmq+VV2EK+bgn+L+6gJiy-iMmfC+VK1iEmdy0b-yaPg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20140507051533.GA26145@phare.normalesup.org>

(Tue, May 06, 2014 at 04:28:48PM -0400) Daniel Micay :
> On 06/05/14 04:13 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> >
> > After re-reading the documentation I have to take this back, systemd timers
> > seem to implement all features provided by cronie.
> 
> AFAIK, the only notable missing feature is the ability for non-root
> users to run jobs when they're not logged in. This is intentionally left
> out, and it's not hard for an administrator to replicate the feature
> with a timer unit for a specific user allowed to run jobs.

Note that
loginctl enable-linger <user>
launches the systemd of <user> even when he is not there
-- 
Ismael
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From hunter.t.joz at gmail.com  Wed May  7 08:01:01 2014
From: hunter.t.joz at gmail.com (Hunter Jozwiak)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 08:01:01 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] KDE Issue
Message-ID: <00df01cf69ec$047887c0$0d699740$@gmail.com>

Hi all. I tried to install KDE for testing accessibility with Orca. However,
a friend of mine told me that the only icon that shows up is a hard drive,
and it sits at this icon forever and won't load. What could be going wrong?
Nothing on the forums shows information on this issue.


From mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org  Wed May  7 09:03:54 2014
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 16:03:54 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg, curl "no route to host"
Message-ID: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>

Hi all,

I have a problem with makepkg.
I want to install ctemplate from AUR:

$ makepkg -s
==> Making package: ctemplate 2.2-1 (Wed May  7 15:49:15 EAT 2014)
==> Checking runtime dependencies...
==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
==> Retrieving sources...
   -> Downloading ctemplate-2.2.tar.gz...
[...]
curl: (7) Failed to connect to ctemplate.googlecode.com port 80:
       No route to host
==> ERROR: Failure while downloading ctemplate-2.2.tar.gz
     Aborting...

But when browsing to http://ctemplate.googlecode.com with my browser is 
OK. The same for ping, it's OK.

$ ping ctemplate.googlecode.com
PING googlecode.l.googleusercontent.com (173.194.78.82) 56(84) bytes of 
data.
64 bytes from wg-in-f82.1e100.net (173.194.78.82): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 
time=244 ms
64 bytes from wg-in-f82.1e100.net (173.194.78.82): icmp_seq=2 ttl=43 
time=243 ms


I do have route to "ctemplate.googlecode.com".

How special is "curl" way to connect to the network so that it doesnt 
find a route for this destination?

How can I switch to "wget" just to try?

Thank you.

From gfozaki at gmail.com  Wed May  7 09:12:41 2014
From: gfozaki at gmail.com (Gabriel Ozaki)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 10:12:41 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg, curl "no route to host"
In-Reply-To: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>
References: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <CAFBLx1swFsoFdfzsDdqV=eVU66UxUeF932NmoOT5eymjMXYong@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
can you show your /etc/makepkg.conf ?




2014-05-07 10:03 GMT-03:00 Mihamina Rakotomandimby <
mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org>:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a problem with makepkg.
> I want to install ctemplate from AUR:
>
> $ makepkg -s
> ==> Making package: ctemplate 2.2-1 (Wed May  7 15:49:15 EAT 2014)
> ==> Checking runtime dependencies...
> ==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
> ==> Retrieving sources...
>   -> Downloading ctemplate-2.2.tar.gz...
> [...]
> curl: (7) Failed to connect to ctemplate.googlecode.com port 80:
>       No route to host
> ==> ERROR: Failure while downloading ctemplate-2.2.tar.gz
>     Aborting...
>
> But when browsing to http://ctemplate.googlecode.com with my browser is
> OK. The same for ping, it's OK.
>
> $ ping ctemplate.googlecode.com
> PING googlecode.l.googleusercontent.com (173.194.78.82) 56(84) bytes of
> data.
> 64 bytes from wg-in-f82.1e100.net (173.194.78.82): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43
> time=244 ms
> 64 bytes from wg-in-f82.1e100.net (173.194.78.82): icmp_seq=2 ttl=43
> time=243 ms
>
>
> I do have route to "ctemplate.googlecode.com".
>
> How special is "curl" way to connect to the network so that it doesnt find
> a route for this destination?
>
> How can I switch to "wget" just to try?
>
> Thank you.
>

From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Wed May  7 09:37:48 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 22:37:48 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg, curl "no route to host"
In-Reply-To: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>
References: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <CAGHKYHrCuRACYfrt3ztWoBecbSENTPBPe1SZx++y9GTd-xw2LQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby <
mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org> wrote:

> How can I switch to "wget" just to try?
>

Just change the DLAGENTS line specific to the protocol in
/etc/makepkg.conf. For example, for http, you can set

"http::/usr/bin/wget -c -O %o %u"

to use wget for http downloads while using makepkg.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org  Wed May  7 09:38:43 2014
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 16:38:43 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg, curl "no route to host"
In-Reply-To: <CAFBLx1swFsoFdfzsDdqV=eVU66UxUeF932NmoOT5eymjMXYong@mail.gmail.com>
References: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>
 <CAFBLx1swFsoFdfzsDdqV=eVU66UxUeF932NmoOT5eymjMXYong@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536A3763.8000507@rktmb.org>

On 05/07/2014 04:12 PM, Gabriel Ozaki wrote:
> can you show your /etc/makepkg.conf ?

Here you are: http://pastebin.com/CmieZk6A


From gfozaki at gmail.com  Wed May  7 09:48:23 2014
From: gfozaki at gmail.com (Gabriel Ozaki)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 10:48:23 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg, curl "no route to host"
In-Reply-To: <536A3763.8000507@rktmb.org>
References: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>
 <CAFBLx1swFsoFdfzsDdqV=eVU66UxUeF932NmoOT5eymjMXYong@mail.gmail.com>
 <536A3763.8000507@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <CAFBLx1v9oRjEXnt7+gf3vcB-2cWM_RK-qNR0yNHZu0SBY3k6FA@mail.gmail.com>

Like Savyasachee says, try this:

DLAGENTS=('ftp::/usr/bin/curl -fC - --ftp-pasv --retry 3 --retry-delay 3 -o
%o %u'
          'http::/usr/bin/wget -c -O %o %u'
          'https::/usr/bin/wget -c -O %o %u'
          'rsync::/usr/bin/rsync --no-motd -z %u %o'
          'scp::/usr/bin/scp -C %u %o')



2014-05-07 10:38 GMT-03:00 Mihamina Rakotomandimby <
mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org>:

> On 05/07/2014 04:12 PM, Gabriel Ozaki wrote:
>
>> can you show your /etc/makepkg.conf ?
>>
>
> Here you are: http://pastebin.com/CmieZk6A
>
>

From mx34567 at gmail.com  Wed May  7 14:34:29 2014
From: mx34567 at gmail.com (Maciej Puzio)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 13:34:29 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <20140506151334.2907bcbe@bluemoon>
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On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2014 13:23:26 -0500
> Maciej Puzio <mx34567 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As I wrote before, I can edit every timer file and set the elapse
>> time. What I can't do is to change one setting which says when daily
>> maintenance tasks are run. This was possible with cron, but is no
>> longer possible now. What's the problem to edit four files? Well, this
>> is multiplied by the number of machines that are under my care.
>> Again, here is relevant systemd RFE link:
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77938
>
> This is bogus.

Leonid, please reread the above paragraph and my previous posts, with
comprehension. With all due respect, your replies are not related to
the issue discussed.

From tk at kyriasis.com  Wed May  7 16:23:55 2014
From: tk at kyriasis.com (Tomasz Kramkowski)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 21:23:55 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] KDE Issue
In-Reply-To: <00df01cf69ec$047887c0$0d699740$@gmail.com>
References: <00df01cf69ec$047887c0$0d699740$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140507202355.GA3787@arch>

On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 08:01:01AM -0400, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
> Hi all. I tried to install KDE for testing accessibility with Orca. However,
> a friend of mine told me that the only icon that shows up is a hard drive,
> and it sits at this icon forever and won't load. What could be going wrong?
> Nothing on the forums shows information on this issue.
> 

I can never remember the name of that thing, but I'm guessing that is
simply a session choosing screen(?).

Have you tried asking him to [double]click on the icon? If that doesn't
solve the "problem" then I don't know what will.
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From lngndvs at gmail.com  Wed May  7 17:16:51 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 14:16:51 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
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  I would like to sign off with a little information about how this has
gone.

I had used the "F12" boot options method once.  Subsequently, the  Windows
Boot Loader appeared on the GRUB menu.  I have since then installed Fedora
20, and it went very well.

I now see that if once specifies "UEFI" as the boot method in the BIOS, and
not Legacy or Both, these linux distros look for the EFI partition (or
whatever that is called), and if one specifies it to be mounted wihtout
formating in the parititioning scheme, all goes well.

Thank everyone for the help.  Now the machine boots right into GRUB.

Alan Davis

From lisaev at umail.iu.edu  Wed May  7 17:23:09 2014
From: lisaev at umail.iu.edu (Leonid Isaev)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:23:09 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <CACH_MLX8q8B8X6beqFArSUCepnKz2DHxnsJQL3wkS33kNmB9AQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20140507162309.6a0f80f2@bluemoon>

Hi,

On Wed, 7 May 2014 13:34:29 -0500
Maciej Puzio <mx34567 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu> wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 May 2014 13:23:26 -0500
> > Maciej Puzio <mx34567 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As I wrote before, I can edit every timer file and set the elapse
> >> time. What I can't do is to change one setting which says when daily
> >> maintenance tasks are run. This was possible with cron, but is no

You mean, you could change /etc/anacrontab?

> >> longer possible now. What's the problem to edit four files? Well, this
> >> is multiplied by the number of machines that are under my care.

Why can't you put additional configs in /etc/systemd/system/xxx.timer.d/ dir?

> >> Again, here is relevant systemd RFE link:
> >> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77938
> >
> > This is bogus.
> 
> Leonid, please reread the above paragraph and my previous posts, with
> comprehension. With all due respect, your replies are not related to
> the issue discussed.

It is completely unclear what you want to be fixed and the title is
misleading...

If you have machines m_1 ... m_N and want to spread the anacron jobs, you need
to edit N anacrontabs, right? Now you need to do k*N changes, k -- the number
of jobs used to be started by anacron. Are you asking for a centralized
control affecting all "daily" timers like the per-machine anacrontab? If true,
this is unlikely to be implemented (at least I wouldn't do it).

Perhaps a proper approach is to create a special target for your maintainance
jobs which would pull all relevant services and would itself be triggered by an
OnCalendar timer. Although I am not sure whether a timer can directly trigger
a target yet...

Cheers,
-- 
Leonid Isaev
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From mark at markelee.com  Wed May  7 17:35:20 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 17:35:20 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
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On 05/07/2014 05:16 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>   I would like to sign off with a little information about how this has
> gone.
>
> I had used the "F12" boot options method once.  Subsequently, the  Windows
> Boot Loader appeared on the GRUB menu.  I have since then installed Fedora
> 20, and it went very well.
>
> I now see that if once specifies "UEFI" as the boot method in the
BIOS, and
> not Legacy or Both, these linux distros look for the EFI partition (or
> whatever that is called), and if one specifies it to be mounted wihtout
> formating in the parititioning scheme, all goes well.
>
> Thank everyone for the help.  Now the machine boots right into GRUB.
>
> Alan Davis
To Alan,

That's excellent. But, the point of UEFI is not to use any boot managers
like GRUB. A proper UEFI install should be able to boot directly off the
firmware. On a very high level, UEFI internalizes boot loaders like GRUB
so instead of chainloading with a boot loader, one boots directly into a
UEFI program (windows, linux, mac os, etc...) I am glad to hear that
your machine setup is working though.

Might I add, if you are truly booting into UEFI mode with Linux (could
be Ubuntu or Arch), you could probably apply the procedures in the Arch
Wiki to boot Arch Linux without a boot loader
<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFISTUB#Directly.2C_without_boot_manager>

Regards,
Mark
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From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Thu May  8 01:24:45 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:24:45 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <20140507162309.6a0f80f2@bluemoon>
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On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu> wrote:

>
> Perhaps a proper approach is to create a special target for your
> maintainance
> jobs which would pull all relevant services and would itself be triggered
> by an
> OnCalendar timer. Although I am not sure whether a timer can directly
> trigger
> a target yet...
>
>
They can, do refer to
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/cron_functionality where you
can find some examples of the same.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From olivier at olivierlanglois.net  Thu May  8 02:43:57 2014
From: olivier at olivierlanglois.net (Olivier Langlois)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 02:43:57 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
Message-ID: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>

Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago this
new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically clean /tmp
directory daily. This is not something that I like as I prefer to decide
when to clean up and to manually perform the clean up.

I have tried

systemctl stop systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
systemctl disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer

The disabling apparently did not survived a reboot and the undesired
systemd service came back.

I guess that I could mess with tmpfiles-clean config file but I am just
not interested in the service at all. What is the sure way method to
disable it for good?

thank you,



From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Thu May  8 03:36:11 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:36:11 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
Message-ID: <CAGHKYHqeWCzfZfqzU1Xias=Dhh+Wmo6_TCA3XHTVaQh5dNuVxQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Olivier Langlois <
olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:

> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago this
> new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically clean /tmp
> directory daily. This is not something that I like as I prefer to decide
> when to clean up and to manually perform the clean up.
>
> I have tried
>
> systemctl stop systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
> systemctl disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
>
> The disabling apparently did not survived a reboot and the undesired
> systemd service came back.
>
> I guess that I could mess with tmpfiles-clean config file but I am just
> not interested in the service at all. What is the sure way method to
> disable it for good?
>
> thank you,
>
>
>
Try:

systemctl mask systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer

Should definitely work.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From nous at archlinux.us  Thu May  8 03:46:52 2014
From: nous at archlinux.us (Christos Nouskas)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:46:52 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
Message-ID: <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 8 May 2014 09:43, Olivier Langlois <olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:
> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago this
> new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically clean /tmp
> directory daily. This is not something that I like as I prefer to decide
> when to clean up and to manually perform the clean up.

I'm sorry I don't have a solution to your problem (which is also mine
as I tend to keep a lot of files in /tmp...) but the invasiveness of
systemd is just outrageous and, allow me to say, not KISS at all, i.e.
do one thing and do it well [0]. First it was udev, next dbus, then
journal logs, then timers, now automatic /tmp cleaning. What's next,
mandatory reboot on each update?

This is not a rant against Arch or its devs and community, but against
systemd; the sad facts speak for themselves.

[0] http://boycottsystemd.org/


-- 
X
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=m&K=nous
http://tiny.cc/linux-pf

From l.jirkovsky at gmail.com  Thu May  8 03:53:41 2014
From: l.jirkovsky at gmail.com (Lukas Jirkovsky)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 09:53:41 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa9FQtJTCqj++zwwqZek2u+kDTxDUPxXjaiMB7=GXtUBmqWuw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Christos Nouskas <nous at archlinux.us> wrote:
> On 8 May 2014 09:43, Olivier Langlois <olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:
>> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago this
>> new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically clean /tmp
>> directory daily. This is not something that I like as I prefer to decide
>> when to clean up and to manually perform the clean up.
>
> I'm sorry I don't have a solution to your problem (which is also mine
> as I tend to keep a lot of files in /tmp...) but the invasiveness of
> systemd is just outrageous and, allow me to say, not KISS at all, i.e.
> do one thing and do it well [0]. First it was udev, next dbus, then
> journal logs, then timers, now automatic /tmp cleaning. What's next,
> mandatory reboot on each update?
>
> This is not a rant against Arch or its devs and community, but against
> systemd; the sad facts speak for themselves.
>
> [0] http://boycottsystemd.org/
>
>
> --
> X
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=m&K=nous
> http://tiny.cc/linux-pf

Please don't start another systemd flamewar. And BTW, automatic /tmp
cleaning was there since the beginning.

From pdgiddie at gmail.com  Thu May  8 05:26:26 2014
From: pdgiddie at gmail.com (Paul Gideon Dann)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 10:26:26 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <CAFa9FQtJTCqj++zwwqZek2u+kDTxDUPxXjaiMB7=GXtUBmqWuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa9FQtJTCqj++zwwqZek2u+kDTxDUPxXjaiMB7=GXtUBmqWuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13204927.UkgyK2nFBq@leto>

On Thursday 08 May 2014 09:53:41 Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Christos Nouskas <nous at archlinux.us> wrote:
> > On 8 May 2014 09:43, Olivier Langlois <olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:
> >> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago this
> >> new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically clean /tmp
> >> directory daily. This is not something that I like as I prefer to decide
> >> when to clean up and to manually perform the clean up.

The /tmp directory is intended for temporary files, after all. If you need them to stick around, I'd 
recommend using /var/tmp. But yeah, masking the unit file should solve this for you, I think.

> > I'm sorry I don't have a solution to your problem (which is also mine
> > as I tend to keep a lot of files in /tmp...) but the invasiveness of
> > systemd is just outrageous and, allow me to say, not KISS at all, i.e.
> > do one thing and do it well [0]. First it was udev, next dbus, then
> > journal logs, then timers, now automatic /tmp cleaning. What's next,
> > mandatory reboot on each update?

For those of us that run systems that are up for months at a time between reboots, relying on a 
reboot to clean out the cruft that accumulates in /tmp is not too elegant.

Bear in mind that systemd itself is a set of separate tools, each performing one job and 
performing it well, in the UNIX tradition. It just so happens that the task that the systemd init 
daemon does is to manage and run many unit files (each doing one thing and doing it well), 
resulting in a well-managed system, in the UNIX tradition.

Paul

From mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org  Thu May  8 05:49:05 2014
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 12:49:05 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] makepkg, curl "no route to host"
In-Reply-To: <CAFBLx1v9oRjEXnt7+gf3vcB-2cWM_RK-qNR0yNHZu0SBY3k6FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <536A2F3A.1000509@rktmb.org>
 <CAFBLx1swFsoFdfzsDdqV=eVU66UxUeF932NmoOT5eymjMXYong@mail.gmail.com>
 <536A3763.8000507@rktmb.org>
 <CAFBLx1v9oRjEXnt7+gf3vcB-2cWM_RK-qNR0yNHZu0SBY3k6FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536B5311.1020909@rktmb.org>

On 05/07/14 16:48, Gabriel Ozaki wrote:
> Like Savyasachee says, try this:
>
> DLAGENTS=('ftp::/usr/bin/curl -fC - --ftp-pasv --retry 3 --retry-delay 3 -o
> %o %u'
>            'http::/usr/bin/wget -c -O %o %u'
>            'https::/usr/bin/wget -c -O %o %u'
>            'rsync::/usr/bin/rsync --no-motd -z %u %o'
>            'scp::/usr/bin/scp -C %u %o')


Thank you. It's weird, after insisting (and keeping curl) several times, 
it works...


From lonewolf at xs4all.nl  Thu May  8 07:59:13 2014
From: lonewolf at xs4all.nl (LoneVVolf)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 13:59:13 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] KDE Issue
In-Reply-To: <20140507202355.GA3787@arch>
References: <00df01cf69ec$047887c0$0d699740$@gmail.com>
 <20140507202355.GA3787@arch>
Message-ID: <536B7191.7070304@xs4all.nl>

On 07-05-14 22:23, Tomasz Kramkowski wrote:
> On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 08:01:01AM -0400, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
>> Hi all. I tried to install KDE for testing accessibility with Orca. However,
>> a friend of mine told me that the only icon that shows up is a hard drive,
>> and it sits at this icon forever and won't load. What could be going wrong?
>> Nothing on the forums shows information on this issue.
>>
> I can never remember the name of that thing, but I'm guessing that is
> simply a session choosing screen(?).
>
> Have you tried asking him to [double]click on the icon? If that doesn't
> solve the "problem" then I don't know what will.

If i remember correctly during startup of KDE it shows 4 or 5 icons 
representing the stage of the it's startup.
The first one is a hard drive icon, second has to do with adding devices 
i think.

Hunter,
if the icon you got is indeed that harddrive icon, something is worng 
with the setup of KDE.
try creating a new testuser and start kde logged in as the testuser.

If KDE also doesn't start for the new testuser, then something is wrong 
with the kde installation.




From mysatyre at gmail.com  Thu May  8 10:38:03 2014
From: mysatyre at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martti_K=C3=BChne?=)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:38:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] KDE Issue
In-Reply-To: <536B7191.7070304@xs4all.nl>
References: <00df01cf69ec$047887c0$0d699740$@gmail.com>
 <20140507202355.GA3787@arch> <536B7191.7070304@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <CAONKL1Az_VxGTwh0jgE54Wjd9-WR0gbZJsKk6-hZEfczkirRUA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I've had this problem before. Last time I was able to solve it by
installing all the kdebase, phonon-vlc, kdebase-workspace groups.
The specific error messages definitely also go somewhere, but I'm not
sure where exactly right now. ~/.xsession-errors?

cheers!
mar77i

From olivier.pis.langlois at transport.alstom.com  Thu May  8 11:44:51 2014
From: olivier.pis.langlois at transport.alstom.com (LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 15:44:51 +0000
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <CAFa9FQtJTCqj++zwwqZek2u+kDTxDUPxXjaiMB7=GXtUBmqWuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa9FQtJTCqj++zwwqZek2u+kDTxDUPxXjaiMB7=GXtUBmqWuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89F8E4011FD7234ABFE48744E300CBC206C3C20F@041-DB3MPN1-093.041d.mgd.msft.net>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arch-general [mailto:arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org] On Behalf
> Of Lukas Jirkovsky
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 3:54 AM
>
> Please don't start another systemd flamewar. And BTW, automatic /tmp
> cleaning was there since the beginning.

I agree to not start a flamewar but hopefully systemd devs do not consider their SW as perfect and are looking to improve it by taking into consideration the userbase complains about it.

Maybe automatic /tmp cleaning was there since the beginning but it appears that it never worked on my systems until very recently after using ArchLinux for over 2 years.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arch-general [mailto:arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org] On Behalf
> Of Paul Gideon Dann
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:26 AM
>
> On Thursday 08 May 2014 09:53:41 Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Christos Nouskas <nous at archlinux.us>
> wrote:
> > > On 8 May 2014 09:43, Olivier Langlois <olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:
> > >> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago
> > >> this new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically
> > >> clean /tmp directory daily. This is not something that I like as I
> > >> prefer to decide when to clean up and to manually perform the clean
> up.
>
> The /tmp directory is intended for temporary files, after all. If you need them
> to stick around, I'd recommend using /var/tmp. But yeah, masking the unit
> file should solve this for you, I think.

I was forecasting that this comment would come when I wrote the original request. While I agree with what you say, I think that it is reasonable to let the user have the control over when it is cleaned. Without denaturing the /tmp folder, I'm using it to experiment patches on some packages or launch computation and store results into /tmp to return back at them the next morning. I have been a bit shocked to find out one morning that my files have been deleted by my system. IMHO, this goes against the rule of least surprise which is a pillar of the unix philosophy.

I understand that for some sysadmins it might be convenient to have an automatic cleanup but IMHO they should explicitly set it up. I am not too sure that this is a good default behavior.

That being said, I'll try to mask the service. Thank you very much for your replies.

Greetings,
Olivier

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From lisaev at umail.iu.edu  Thu May  8 14:17:24 2014
From: lisaev at umail.iu.edu (Leonid Isaev)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:17:24 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <CAGHKYHoXAONPmmsLLtzVeXAWeOQijfSa901yp7GM6pCOUd=Zxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20140508131724.0d189485@bluemoon>

On Thu, 8 May 2014 14:24:45 +0900
Savyasachee Jha <savya.jha91 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev at umail.iu.edu> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Perhaps a proper approach is to create a special target for your
> > maintainance
> > jobs which would pull all relevant services and would itself be triggered
> > by an
> > OnCalendar timer. Although I am not sure whether a timer can directly
> > trigger
> > a target yet...
> >
> >
> They can, do refer to
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/cron_functionality where you
> can find some examples of the same.
> 

Cool. I didn't know about that wikipage.

Thanks,
-- 
Leonid Isaev
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From lisaev at umail.iu.edu  Thu May  8 14:23:40 2014
From: lisaev at umail.iu.edu (Leonid Isaev)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:23:40 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
Message-ID: <20140508132340.0be3fee5@bluemoon>

Hi,

On Thu, 08 May 2014 02:43:57 -0400
Olivier Langlois <olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:

> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago this
> new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically clean /tmp
> directory daily. This is not something that I like as I prefer to decide
> when to clean up and to manually perform the clean up.
> 
> I have tried
> 
> systemctl stop systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
> systemctl disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
> 
> The disabling apparently did not survived a reboot and the undesired
> systemd service came back.
> 
> I guess that I could mess with tmpfiles-clean config file but I am just
> not interested in the service at all. What is the sure way method to
> disable it for good?

systemd-tmpfiles-clean does more that just removing stuff from /tmp. So
changing the config is the only way to go. Just
copy /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf to /etc/tmpfiles.d/ and modify it as you
like...

Cheers,
-- 
Leonid Isaev
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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  8 15:32:35 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 15:32:35 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <89F8E4011FD7234ABFE48744E300CBC206C3C20F@041-DB3MPN1-093.041d.mgd.msft.net>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
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On 08/05/14 11:44 AM, LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arch-general [mailto:arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org] On Behalf
>> Of Lukas Jirkovsky
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 3:54 AM
>>
>> Please don't start another systemd flamewar. And BTW, automatic /tmp
>> cleaning was there since the beginning.
> 
> I agree to not start a flamewar but hopefully systemd devs do not consider their SW as perfect and are looking to improve it by taking into consideration the userbase complains about it.
> 
> Maybe automatic /tmp cleaning was there since the beginning but it appears that it never worked on my systems until very recently after using ArchLinux for over 2 years.

Several of the Arch developers are systemd developers, so it's not like
you're talking about a group of outsiders here. The /tmp cleaning
doesn't delete recently touched files (10 days), so perhaps you've never
noticed it before.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arch-general [mailto:arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org] On Behalf
>> Of Paul Gideon Dann
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:26 AM
>>
>> On Thursday 08 May 2014 09:53:41 Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Christos Nouskas <nous at archlinux.us>
>> wrote:
>>>> On 8 May 2014 09:43, Olivier Langlois <olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:
>>>>> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago
>>>>> this new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically
>>>>> clean /tmp directory daily. This is not something that I like as I
>>>>> prefer to decide when to clean up and to manually perform the clean
>> up.
>>
>> The /tmp directory is intended for temporary files, after all. If you need them
>> to stick around, I'd recommend using /var/tmp. But yeah, masking the unit
>> file should solve this for you, I think.
> 
> I was forecasting that this comment would come when I wrote the original request. While I agree with what you say, I think that it is reasonable to let the user have the control over when it is cleaned. Without denaturing the /tmp folder, I'm using it to experiment patches on some packages or launch computation and store results into /tmp to return back at them the next morning. I have been a bit shocked to find out one morning that my files have been deleted by my system. IMHO, this goes against the rule of least surprise which is a pillar of the unix philosophy.

Use your home directory. /tmp is a dangerous place since it's a shared,
world-writable ephemeral directory. The only things that are stored
there are temporary files used by currently open applications. In most
cases, $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is a better choice (sockets, fifos, etc.).

> I understand that for some sysadmins it might be convenient to have an automatic cleanup but IMHO they should explicitly set it up. I am not too sure that this is a good default behavior.

It's good default behaviour, as long as you aren't abusing /tmp for
stuff it's not meant for.

> That being said, I'll try to mask the service. Thank you very much for your replies.

You can override the /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf file in
/etc/tmpfiles.d and get rid of the cleaning.

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From ordo.ad at gmail.com  Thu May  8 15:34:09 2014
From: ordo.ad at gmail.com (Alessandro Doro)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 21:34:09 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
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References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
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Message-ID: <20140508193409.GA2775@M50>

On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 03:44:51PM +0000, LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT wrote:
> I was forecasting that this comment would come when I wrote the
> original request. While I agree with what you say, I think that it is
> reasonable to let the user have the control over when it is cleaned.
> Without denaturing the /tmp folder, I'm using it to experiment patches
> on some packages or launch computation and store results into /tmp to
> return back at them the next morning. I have been a bit shocked to
> find out one morning that my files have been deleted by my system.
> IMHO, this goes against the rule of least surprise which is a pillar
> of the unix philosophy.

You should create a temporary directory under /tmp for your experiment.
Put a file in /etc/tmpfiles.d/mydir.conf with this content:
d /tmp/mydirectory mode uid gid

and work under that directory; systemd won't clean it.
For more information:
$ man 5 tmpfiles.d


From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  8 15:40:59 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 15:40:59 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
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Message-ID: <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>

On 08/05/14 03:46 AM, Christos Nouskas wrote:
> On 8 May 2014 09:43, Olivier Langlois <olivier at olivierlanglois.net> wrote:
>> Since a recent update (I have first noticed a couple of weeks ago this
>> new systemd enhancement), systemd started to automatically clean /tmp
>> directory daily. This is not something that I like as I prefer to decide
>> when to clean up and to manually perform the clean up.
> 
> I'm sorry I don't have a solution to your problem (which is also mine
> as I tend to keep a lot of files in /tmp...) but the invasiveness of
> systemd is just outrageous and, allow me to say, not KISS at all, i.e.
> do one thing and do it well [0]. First it was udev, next dbus, then
> journal logs, then timers, now automatic /tmp cleaning. What's next,
> mandatory reboot on each update?

The Arch developers decided to use it for timer units and logs, not
anyone else. It's still the same udev it always was, and dbus is moving
into the kernel, not systemd (systemd interacts with it as a client and
provides a compatibility layer for yet to be updated processes).

I guess you'll be upset that Tom (one of the Arch developers) wrote
systemd-networkd. You'll probably also be upset that there's going to be
a simple systemd-console from the kmscon developer (who is an Arch user)
and a systemd-timesyncd for basic NTP clients not needing a full blown
server with complicated RTC handling.

Everyone else will continue on with their lives, because they realize
that there's nothing wrong with maintaining more than one binary/library
under one version control repository.

> This is not a rant against Arch or its devs and community, but against
> systemd; the sad facts speak for themselves.

This is a rant against the Arch devs and the Arch community. Several of
the developers and several people involved with the community are
systemd developers, and there is certainly consensus among the Arch
developers and trusted users to use systemd.

> [0] http://boycottsystemd.org/

There are no facts there. I already responded to this FUD on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/24zj10/what_are_the_benefits_of_partitioning_disk_space/chcao5u

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From enwukaer at gmail.com  Thu May  8 17:01:50 2014
From: enwukaer at gmail.com (Nowaker)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 23:01:50 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536BF0BE.5070709@gmail.com>

>> This is not a rant against Arch or its devs and community, but against
>> systemd; the sad facts speak for themselves.

> This is a rant against the Arch devs and the Arch community. Several of
> the developers and several people involved with the community are
> systemd developers, and there is certainly consensus among the Arch
 > developers and trusted users to use systemd.

This sounds really bad. Ranting against systemd should never be taken as 
ranting against Arch in general or some specific Arch developers. After 
all, Arch Linux is a Linux distribution, not a systemd distribution. ;) 
Systemd was chosen for some important reasons, I support this decision, 
but it shouldn't be considered a holy grail. The holy grail is pacman, 
and anyone who rants against pacman rants against Arch devs and 
community! ;-)

-- 
Kind regards,
Damian Nowak
StratusHost
www.AtlasHost.eu

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  8 17:10:40 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 17:10:40 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BF0BE.5070709@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com> <536BF0BE.5070709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536BF2D0.4040407@gmail.com>

On 08/05/14 05:01 PM, Nowaker wrote:
>>> This is not a rant against Arch or its devs and community, but against
>>> systemd; the sad facts speak for themselves.
> 
>> This is a rant against the Arch devs and the Arch community. Several of
>> the developers and several people involved with the community are
>> systemd developers, and there is certainly consensus among the Arch
>> developers and trusted users to use systemd.
> 
> This sounds really bad. Ranting against systemd should never be taken as
> ranting against Arch in general or some specific Arch developers. After
> all, Arch Linux is a Linux distribution, not a systemd distribution. ;)
> Systemd was chosen for some important reasons, I support this decision,
> but it shouldn't be considered a holy grail. The holy grail is pacman,
> and anyone who rants against pacman rants against Arch devs and
> community! ;-)

Some of the Arch developers are pacman developers, and others are
systemd developers. Both projects are part of the base install and are a
significant part of the distributions flavour. The msys2 project uses
pacman on Windows, so it's not really any more specific to Arch than
systemd.

Bashing an open-source project and spreading FUD about it is always an
attack on the open-source community, whether it's GNOME, systemd, KDE,
PHP, or something else. It's one thing to take a rational look at a
project and criticize it, and quite another to promote content accusing
the developers of having bad faith without *any* evidence.

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From nous at archlinux.us  Thu May  8 17:10:19 2014
From: nous at archlinux.us (Christos Nouskas)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 00:10:19 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

> I guess you'll be upset that Tom (one of the Arch developers) wrote
> systemd-networkd.

You guess wrong.

> You'll probably also be upset that there's going to be
> a simple systemd-console from the kmscon developer (who is an Arch user)
> and a systemd-timesyncd for basic NTP clients not needing a full blown
> server with complicated RTC handling.

Again wrong. Unless they're enabled by default.

> Everyone else will continue on with their lives, because they realize
> that there's nothing wrong with maintaining more than one binary/library
> under one version control repository.

Don't escalate and don't make it personal. You're just guessing wrong;
I don't mind running systemd, unless it decides what's best for me
without asking me. Clearing /tmp is one of those annoying things.

I've also been annoyed by the fact that I have a PC that won't boot
with systemd>198-2, because systemd can't mount /usr/local (which is
empty).

On the other hand I do love the _netdev & x-systemd.automount
directives in /etc/fstab.

> This is a rant against the Arch devs and the Arch community.

Wrong yet again. It isn't. I didn't say "The Arch and systemd devs are
this and that", I just pointed out some facts about *systemd* that I
find annoying and this has nothing to do with the developers
themselves, for crying out loud! Are you suggesting people should just
shut up and never voice an unfavourable opinion? Or you'd rather
prefer a court of flatterers praising how perfect this world is?

> Several of
> the developers and several people involved with the community are
> systemd developers, and there is certainly consensus among the Arch
> developers and trusted users to use systemd.

Which makes systemd perfect how exactly?

Anyway, if I've offended anyone I offer them my apologies.


-- 
X
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=m&K=nous
http://tiny.cc/linux-pf

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  8 17:22:18 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 17:22:18 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
 <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536BF58A.3060604@gmail.com>

On 08/05/14 05:10 PM, Christos Nouskas wrote:
>> I guess you'll be upset that Tom (one of the Arch developers) wrote
>> systemd-networkd.
> 
> You guess wrong.

So you're okay with it providing networking, but not timer units? Timer
units were a very simple addition on top of the existing event loop,
while networkd is a significant project.

>> You'll probably also be upset that there's going to be
>> a simple systemd-console from the kmscon developer (who is an Arch user)
>> and a systemd-timesyncd for basic NTP clients not needing a full blown
>> server with complicated RTC handling.
> 
> Again wrong. Unless they're enabled by default.

The systemd console would replace the virtual terminals provided by the
kernel. The NTP client might make sense as something enabled by default,
although I don't know if it's planned to be.

>> Everyone else will continue on with their lives, because they realize
>> that there's nothing wrong with maintaining more than one binary/library
>> under one version control repository.
> 
> Don't escalate and don't make it personal. You're just guessing wrong;
> I don't mind running systemd, unless it decides what's best for me
> without asking me. Clearing /tmp is one of those annoying things.

I'm don't see how I'm making it personal with a bit of sarcasm.

You already made it quite personal by promoting FUD with gems like this:

> systemd's team is noticeably chauvinistic

Do you think Tom and Dave are chauvanistic? Or did you not really read
what you linked to?

> I've also been annoyed by the fact that I have a PC that won't boot
> with systemd>198-2, because systemd can't mount /usr/local (which is
> empty).

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

> On the other hand I do love the _netdev & x-systemd.automount
> directives in /etc/fstab.
> 
>> This is a rant against the Arch devs and the Arch community.
> 
> Wrong yet again. It isn't. I didn't say "The Arch and systemd devs are
> this and that", I just pointed out some facts about *systemd* that I
> find annoying and this has nothing to do with the developers
> themselves, for crying out loud! Are you suggesting people should just
> shut up and never voice an unfavourable opinion? Or you'd rather
> prefer a court of flatterers praising how perfect this world is?

No, I'm asking you to stop spreading misinformation and attacks on the
developers behind the project (who also develop Arch Linux). If you
interrupt a constructive thread with FUD, you can expect to be called out.

>> Several of
>> the developers and several people involved with the community are
>> systemd developers, and there is certainly consensus among the Arch
>> developers and trusted users to use systemd.
> 
> Which makes systemd perfect how exactly?

No one said it's perfect.

> Anyway, if I've offended anyone I offer them my apologies.

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From nous at archlinux.us  Thu May  8 17:37:37 2014
From: nous at archlinux.us (Christos Nouskas)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 00:37:37 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BF58A.3060604@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
 <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMeTcfG7s3XQR9Z5CywzSX+=6PRdse+hBT3f+VTRi0UaZRGjLw@mail.gmail.com>

Do accept the fact that not everyone is content with everything
systemd and just leave it at that. Thank you and bye.


-- 
X
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=m&K=nous
http://tiny.cc/linux-pf

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  8 17:47:15 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 17:47:15 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <CAMeTcfG7s3XQR9Z5CywzSX+=6PRdse+hBT3f+VTRi0UaZRGjLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
 <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <536BFB63.7020009@gmail.com>

On 08/05/14 05:37 PM, Christos Nouskas wrote:
> Do accept the fact that not everyone is content with everything
> systemd and just leave it at that. Thank you and bye.

That can be expressed without calling the developers chauvanistic and
spreading misinformation. It's yet a free software project available to
people who want it, and you can choose to use an alternative like runit
instead.

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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Thu May  8 18:15:19 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 18:15:19 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536C01F7.6030905@gmail.com>

On 08/05/14 03:40 PM, Daniel Micay wrote:
>
>> [0] http://boycottsystemd.org/
> 
> There are no facts there. I already responded to this FUD on reddit:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/24zj10/what_are_the_benefits_of_partitioning_disk_space/chcao5u
> 

Whoops, wrong link:

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/23tyez/this_group_wants_to_revive_the_systemd_debate/ch0maow

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From kyleterrien at gmail.com  Thu May  8 21:34:54 2014
From: kyleterrien at gmail.com (Kyle Terrien)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 18:34:54 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] NTP: Possible permissions bug
Message-ID: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com>

Hi fellow Archers,

I seem to be having trouble with ntpd.service since the 4.2.7 upgrade. I
can't get ntpd to run as the ntp user.

I'm using the /etc/ntp.conf provided by the package ntp. When starting
ntpd.service (systemctl start ntp.service), ntpd spikes the CPU for a
moment, and then spikes the CPU about every 5 minutes afterward. What's
more is ntpq -p returns "No association ID's returned".

I ran "ntpd -g -u ntp:ntp -p /run/ntpd.pid -d" (from the Systemd unit
file). The results: <http://sprunge.us/QbYL>

The part I found of interest were the lines that read:

intres: EAI_SYSTEM errno 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) means try
again, right?
select() returned -1: Interrupted system call
select() returned -1: Interrupted system call

I took out the "-u ntp:ntp" parameter (so ntp runs as root), and these
errors disappeared. Also, ntpq -p returns the NTP servers I'm
synchronized with. So, I'm pretty sure the issue is permissions related,
but I have no idea what it's running into. Any insight?

I currently modified /usr/lib/systemd/system/ntpd.service so that ntpd
runs as root instead of the user ntp. (Is there a cleaner way to tweak a
systemd unit file?) Everything seems to run fine for now.

On a side note, the Wiki says that timedatectl (part of systemd) can use
ntp for synchronization [1]. However, the man page for timedatectl shows
an example where chrony (another NTP server) is running. Does
ntpd.service need to be running for timedatectl to set time via NTP? Is
there a way to force timedatectl to query NTP (for testing)?

--Kyle

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ntp#systemd_services

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From gsnijders at gmail.com  Thu May  8 22:22:32 2014
From: gsnijders at gmail.com (Guus Snijders)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 04:22:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHntV0Ant81g++yNgW4stNKTYDW4WhNs+QK76DzeMQgHE9rZrg@mail.gmail.com>

Op 8 mei 2014 21:41 schreef "Daniel Micay" <danielmicay at gmail.com> het
volgende:
>
[...]
>
> and a systemd-timesyncd for basic NTP clients not needing a full blown
> server with complicated RTC handling.

Just for the record: that is what is called sntp (Simple ntp). Ntp is about
clock sync, sntp just sets the clock.
As long as it's used as any daemon, i'd ok with that being enabled by
default; those can be simply disabled (remove symlink or systemctl
disable), as i prefer a real ntp on my systems.

mvg, Guus

From mark at markelee.com  Fri May  9 01:01:10 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 01:01:10 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BF58A.3060604@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
 <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <536C6116.8030300@markelee.com>

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On 05/08/2014 05:22 PM, Daniel Micay wrote:
> On 08/05/14 05:10 PM, Christos Nouskas wrote:
>>> I guess you'll be upset that Tom (one of the Arch developers) wrote
>>> systemd-networkd.
>>
>> You guess wrong.
> 
> So you're okay with it providing networking, but not timer units? Timer
> units were a very simple addition on top of the existing event loop,
> while networkd is a significant project.
> 
>>> You'll probably also be upset that there's going to be
>>> a simple systemd-console from the kmscon developer (who is an Arch user)
>>> and a systemd-timesyncd for basic NTP clients not needing a full blown
>>> server with complicated RTC handling.
>>
>> Again wrong. Unless they're enabled by default.
> 
> The systemd console would replace the virtual terminals provided by the
> kernel. The NTP client might make sense as something enabled by default,
> although I don't know if it's planned to be.
> 
>>> Everyone else will continue on with their lives, because they realize
>>> that there's nothing wrong with maintaining more than one binary/library
>>> under one version control repository.
>>
>> Don't escalate and don't make it personal. You're just guessing wrong;
>> I don't mind running systemd, unless it decides what's best for me
>> without asking me. Clearing /tmp is one of those annoying things.
> 
> I'm don't see how I'm making it personal with a bit of sarcasm.
> 
> You already made it quite personal by promoting FUD with gems like this:
> 
>> systemd's team is noticeably chauvinistic
> 
> Do you think Tom and Dave are chauvanistic? Or did you not really read
> what you linked to?
> 
>> I've also been annoyed by the fact that I have a PC that won't boot
>> with systemd>198-2, because systemd can't mount /usr/local (which is
>> empty).
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by this.
> 
>> On the other hand I do love the _netdev & x-systemd.automount
>> directives in /etc/fstab.
>>
>>> This is a rant against the Arch devs and the Arch community.
>>
>> Wrong yet again. It isn't. I didn't say "The Arch and systemd devs are
>> this and that", I just pointed out some facts about *systemd* that I
>> find annoying and this has nothing to do with the developers
>> themselves, for crying out loud! Are you suggesting people should just
>> shut up and never voice an unfavourable opinion? Or you'd rather
>> prefer a court of flatterers praising how perfect this world is?
> 
> No, I'm asking you to stop spreading misinformation and attacks on the
> developers behind the project (who also develop Arch Linux). If you
> interrupt a constructive thread with FUD, you can expect to be called out.
> 
>>> Several of
>>> the developers and several people involved with the community are
>>> systemd developers, and there is certainly consensus among the Arch
>>> developers and trusted users to use systemd.
>>
>> Which makes systemd perfect how exactly?
> 
> No one said it's perfect.
> 
>> Anyway, if I've offended anyone I offer them my apologies.
> 

To all,

Don't make any of this personal. In addition, I hope the inclusion of
systemd in Arch Linux has more justification than just some Arch
developers are also Systemd developers. Arch may not be a democracy, but
it's not supposed to be infested with cronyism either (I don't think it
is). Let's all be calm and collected here and sort things out.

Regards,
Mark
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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Fri May  9 01:22:14 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 01:22:14 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536C6116.8030300@markelee.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
 <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BF58A.3060604@gmail.com> <536C6116.8030300@markelee.com>
Message-ID: <536C6606.9030202@gmail.com>

On 09/05/14 01:01 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
> 
> To all,
> 
> Don't make any of this personal. In addition, I hope the inclusion of
> systemd in Arch Linux has more justification than just some Arch
> developers are also Systemd developers. Arch may not be a democracy, but
> it's not supposed to be infested with cronyism either (I don't think it
> is). Let's all be calm and collected here and sort things out.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark

I never stated that it was a reason for it being included in Arch Linux.

You're misrepresenting what I said.

The context of the thread is someone promoting content including a lot
of inaccurate claims and ad hominem attacks like this: "systemd's team
is noticeably chauvinistic and anti-Unix" and yet making this claim:

> This is not a rant against Arch or its devs and community, but against
> systemd; the sad facts speak for themselves.

I was countering the claim by pointing out that the group of people they
are disparaging includes several Arch developers and other prominent
people in the community.

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From mark at markelee.com  Fri May  9 01:29:17 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 01:29:17 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536C6606.9030202@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
 <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <536C6606.9030202@gmail.com>
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On 05/09/2014 01:22 AM, Daniel Micay wrote:
> On 09/05/14 01:01 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
>>
>> To all,
>>
>> Don't make any of this personal. In addition, I hope the inclusion of
>> systemd in Arch Linux has more justification than just some Arch
>> developers are also Systemd developers. Arch may not be a democracy, but
>> it's not supposed to be infested with cronyism either (I don't think it
>> is). Let's all be calm and collected here and sort things out.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
> 
> I never stated that it was a reason for it being included in Arch Linux.
> 
> You're misrepresenting what I said.
> 
> The context of the thread is someone promoting content including a lot
> of inaccurate claims and ad hominem attacks like this: "systemd's team
> is noticeably chauvinistic and anti-Unix" and yet making this claim:
> 
>> This is not a rant against Arch or its devs and community, but against
>> systemd; the sad facts speak for themselves.
> 
> I was countering the claim by pointing out that the group of people they
> are disparaging includes several Arch developers and other prominent
> people in the community.
> 

To Daniel,

I'm pointing out that respect for people shouldn't affect technical
skepticism. People can rant against whomever they want as long as it has
technical criticism (at least on this mailing list). Hence, don't make
anything personal.

Regards,
Mark
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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Fri May  9 01:41:36 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 01:41:36 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536C67AD.70106@markelee.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 09/05/14 01:29 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
> 
> To Daniel,
> 
> I'm pointing out that respect for people shouldn't affect technical
> skepticism. People can rant against whomever they want as long as it has
> technical criticism (at least on this mailing list). 

Accusing the developers of bad faith and spreading misinformation about
the project is not technical skepticism. I'll quote one of my earlier
statements:

> Bashing an open-source project and spreading FUD about it is always an
> attack on the open-source community, whether it's GNOME, systemd, KDE,
> PHP, or something else. It's one thing to take a rational look at a
> project and criticize it, and quite another to promote content
> accusing the developers of having bad faith without *any* evidence.

> Hence, don't make anything personal.
>
> Regards,
> Mark

You're implying that I've made it personal, but I don't think I've done
any such thing. What have I said that you think is venturing into the
land of a personal attack?

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From bisson at archlinux.org  Fri May  9 02:00:20 2014
From: bisson at archlinux.org (Gaetan Bisson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 08:00:20 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] NTP: Possible permissions bug
In-Reply-To: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140509060020.GB31003@aji.vesath.org>

[2014-05-08 18:34:54 -0700] Kyle Terrien:
> I took out the "-u ntp:ntp" parameter (so ntp runs as root), and these
> errors disappeared. Also, ntpq -p returns the NTP servers I'm
> synchronized with. So, I'm pretty sure the issue is permissions related,
> but I have no idea what it's running into. Any insight?

What does `ls -la /var/lib/ntp/` say?

Couldn't there be another daemon binding port 123?

-- 
Gaetan
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From mark at markelee.com  Fri May  9 02:02:06 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 02:02:06 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536C6A90.7030209@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
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On 05/09/2014 01:41 AM, Daniel Micay wrote:
> On 09/05/14 01:29 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
>>
>> To Daniel,
>>
>> I'm pointing out that respect for people shouldn't affect technical
>> skepticism. People can rant against whomever they want as long as it has
>> technical criticism (at least on this mailing list). 
> 
> Accusing the developers of bad faith and spreading misinformation about
> the project is not technical skepticism. I'll quote one of my earlier
> statements:
> 
>> Bashing an open-source project and spreading FUD about it is always an
>> attack on the open-source community, whether it's GNOME, systemd, KDE,
>> PHP, or something else. It's one thing to take a rational look at a
>> project and criticize it, and quite another to promote content
>> accusing the developers of having bad faith without *any* evidence.
> 
>> Hence, don't make anything personal.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
> 
> You're implying that I've made it personal, but I don't think I've done
> any such thing. What have I said that you think is venturing into the
> land of a personal attack?
> 

To Daniel,

Regarding, your "personal attack". I inferred a personal attack when you
claimed that the Arch developers were also SystemD developers and were
well respected. It seemed to me like you were peer pressuring the fellow
into withdrawing the issue by belittling his credentials in comparison
to a community and powerful developers. This looked like a David vs.
Goliath situation to me; we shouldn't ever be forcing Archers with
questions in this situation. The opinion of a user should be just as
valuable as the opinion of a developer.

There are right ways to handle things and wrong ways. The Archer  had a
technical issue and an opinion. Solving the technical issue is more
important. We can usually just ignore the opinion. This may seem
hypocritical that I'm typing this (since this doesn't solve the issue
for the Archer), so it'll be the last response I make regarding a
person's opinionated response (at least on this thread).

With that in mind, I hope the issue's solved for the Archer.

Regards,
Mark
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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Fri May  9 02:24:14 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 02:24:14 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536C6F5E.6030206@markelee.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <536C748E.6030608@gmail.com>

On 09/05/14 02:02 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
> On 05/09/2014 01:41 AM, Daniel Micay wrote:
>> On 09/05/14 01:29 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> To Daniel,
>>>
>>> I'm pointing out that respect for people shouldn't affect technical
>>> skepticism. People can rant against whomever they want as long as it has
>>> technical criticism (at least on this mailing list). 
> 
>> Accusing the developers of bad faith and spreading misinformation about
>> the project is not technical skepticism. I'll quote one of my earlier
>> statements:
> 
>>> Bashing an open-source project and spreading FUD about it is always an
>>> attack on the open-source community, whether it's GNOME, systemd, KDE,
>>> PHP, or something else. It's one thing to take a rational look at a
>>> project and criticize it, and quite another to promote content
>>> accusing the developers of having bad faith without *any* evidence.
> 
>>> Hence, don't make anything personal.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mark
> 
>> You're implying that I've made it personal, but I don't think I've done
>> any such thing. What have I said that you think is venturing into the
>> land of a personal attack?
> 
> 
> To Daniel,
> 
> Regarding, your "personal attack". I inferred a personal attack when you
> claimed that the Arch developers were also SystemD developers and were
> well respected. It seemed to me like you were peer pressuring the fellow
> into withdrawing the issue by belittling his credentials in comparison
> to a community and powerful developers. This looked like a David vs.
> Goliath situation to me; we shouldn't ever be forcing Archers with
> questions in this situation. The opinion of a user should be just as
> valuable as the opinion of a developer.

Calling the systemd developers "chauvanistic" and claiming they have bad
faith is a personal attack. There was no issue raised by the person I'm
replying to, only flaming and a link to more flamebait containing actual
personal attacks and outright lies.

They claimed attacking systemd was not attacking the Arch community, and
I clearly quoted that part of their message and responded to it by
stating that since prominent members of the community (including
developers) are systemd developers, attacking the systemd developers
*is* attacking the Arch developers.

I get the impression that you only skimmed over the conversation or read
the last few messages, because you seem to be missing the context.

> There are right ways to handle things and wrong ways. The Archer  had a
> technical issue and an opinion. Solving the technical issue is more
> important. We can usually just ignore the opinion. This may seem
> hypocritical that I'm typing this (since this doesn't solve the issue
> for the Archer), so it'll be the last response I make regarding a
> person's opinionated response (at least on this thread).
> 
> With that in mind, I hope the issue's solved for the Archer.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark

The person I responded to is not the one asking a technical question.

Here is the first message they sent to the list:

https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2014-May/036206.html

It's not the original post with the technical issue. It's someone taking
the time to link to FUD (ad hominem attacks on the systemd developers,
hollow rhetoric and misinformation) because there was a post about
systemd. Have you read the content of the link?

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From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Fri May  9 04:06:31 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:06:31 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <07947972e5d395a81cd1b6287ad83050@archlinux.info>
References: <CAJ2aOA8hfZc3UUrA=VO9Bzuz4nFX=RkgFBE6NnFFvY+2gdhTtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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2014-05-07 2:39 GMT+02:00 Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info>:
> On 2014-05-06 15:12, Marcel Korpel wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cannot found any package called haskell-mmap:
>>>
>>> LANG=C sudo pacman -Ss haskell-mmap
>>
>>
>> It's in the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/haskell-mmap
>
>
> So you are responsible for managing it. In this case, remove it, upgrade,
> then reinstall it.
>
> Basic stuff.

I have installed haskell-mmap and the error is persist....

From magnus at therning.org  Fri May  9 06:20:50 2014
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 12:20:50 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
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On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2014-05-07 2:39 GMT+02:00 Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info>:
>> On 2014-05-06 15:12, Marcel Korpel wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cannot found any package called haskell-mmap:
>>>>
>>>> LANG=C sudo pacman -Ss haskell-mmap
>>>
>>>
>>> It's in the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/haskell-mmap
>>
>>
>> So you are responsible for managing it. In this case, remove it, upgrade,
>> then reinstall it.
>>
>> Basic stuff.
>
> I have installed haskell-mmap and the error is persist....

I hope that was just a typo on your part, he did say "uninstall".
Unless you have a real need for it just remove 'ghc', that should pull
with it every single Haskell lib you have on your system too:

    % sudo pacman -Rncs ghc

/M

-- 
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email: magnus at therning.org   jabber: magnus at therning.org
twitter: magthe               http://therning.org/magnus

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Fri May  9 06:31:22 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 12:31:22 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cannot update archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAAExw5vw5QbTMsvq_gf4fC2WwK=TtoXyydS0VHhNyTUPhRjKLw@mail.gmail.com>
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2014-05-09 12:20 GMT+02:00 Magnus Therning <magnus at therning.org>:
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2014-05-07 2:39 GMT+02:00 Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info>:
>>> On 2014-05-06 15:12, Marcel Korpel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cannot found any package called haskell-mmap:
>>>>>
>>>>> LANG=C sudo pacman -Ss haskell-mmap
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's in the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/haskell-mmap
>>>
>>>
>>> So you are responsible for managing it. In this case, remove it, upgrade,
>>> then reinstall it.
>>>
>>> Basic stuff.
>>
>> I have installed haskell-mmap and the error is persist....
>
> I hope that was just a typo on your part, he did say "uninstall".
> Unless you have a real need for it just remove 'ghc', that should pull
> with it every single Haskell lib you have on your system too:
>
>     % sudo pacman -Rncs ghc
>
> /M
>
> --
> Magnus Therning                      OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4
> email: magnus at therning.org   jabber: magnus at therning.org
> twitter: magthe               http://therning.org/magnus

Thanks. Problem resolved it... It works "pacman -Syu"

why does this happen?

Thanks again.

From kyleterrien at gmail.com  Fri May  9 11:26:59 2014
From: kyleterrien at gmail.com (Kyle Terrien)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 08:26:59 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] NTP: Possible permissions bug
In-Reply-To: <20140509060020.GB31003@aji.vesath.org>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com>
 <20140509060020.GB31003@aji.vesath.org>
Message-ID: <536CF3C3.6000209@gmail.com>

On 05/08/2014 11:00 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2014-05-08 18:34:54 -0700] Kyle Terrien:
>> I took out the "-u ntp:ntp" parameter (so ntp runs as root), and these
>> errors disappeared. Also, ntpq -p returns the NTP servers I'm
>> synchronized with. So, I'm pretty sure the issue is permissions related,
>> but I have no idea what it's running into. Any insight?
> 
> What does `ls -la /var/lib/ntp/` say?
> 
> Couldn't there be another daemon binding port 123?
> 

Hmm...

In ntp-4.2.7, there is a file called .placeholder. This is not present
in ntp-4.2.6. Deleting the file seems to have no effect.

kyle at landru /var/lib
$ la ntp/
total 12
drwxr-xr-x  2 ntp  root 4096 May  6 03:14 .
drwxr-xr-x 32 root root 4096 May  9 08:11 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 root root    1 May  6 03:14 .placeholder

ntpd eventually creates its ntp.drift in this directory (if ntpd runs
correctly).

As far as I can tell (using netstat -l to list listening ports), there
is nothing holding port 123.

- Output for ntp-4.2.6: <http://sprunge.us/FdVa>
- Output for ntp-4.2.7: <http://sprunge.us/feHI>

--Kyle

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From kyleterrien at gmail.com  Fri May  9 11:47:26 2014
From: kyleterrien at gmail.com (Kyle Terrien)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 08:47:26 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] NTP: Possible permissions bug
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References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com>
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On 05/08/2014 06:34 PM, Kyle Terrien wrote:
> Hi fellow Archers,
> 
> I seem to be having trouble with ntpd.service since the 4.2.7 upgrade. I
> can't get ntpd to run as the ntp user.

Well, I feel dumb.

After adding a couple more -d flags to ntpd, I got something about
unable to lookup hostnames.

I was using an old hpHosts /etc/hosts file (to block ads). I reverted it
to the stock /etc/hosts file in the package filesystem, and ntp-4.2.7
runs without thrashing.

I'm re-enabling Adblock Plus for now--until I get around to creating an
updated hosts table.

I'm still unsure why hostnames resolved for root, but not for the ntp
user. Could the hosts file have been too large for ntpd (6.4 MB)?

--Kyle

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From schaefer at trilug.org  Fri May  9 12:43:11 2014
From: schaefer at trilug.org (Carl Schaefer)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 12:43:11 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] NTP: Possible permissions bug
In-Reply-To: <536CF88E.2000905@gmail.com>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com> <536CF88E.2000905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1399653791.3784.117.camel@wot>

On Fri, 2014-05-09 at 08:47 -0700, Kyle Terrien wrote:
> I was using an old hpHosts /etc/hosts file (to block ads). I reverted it
> to the stock /etc/hosts file in the package filesystem, and ntp-4.2.7
> runs without thrashing.
> 
> I'm re-enabling Adblock Plus for now--until I get around to creating an
> updated hosts table.

I'm using the ad-blocking hosts file from

http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/

though I replace 0.0.0.0 with 0.0.0.1 so that connect() returns EINVAL
instead of connecting to localhost.  However, that file is under 300KB,
while the hpHosts file is currently over 16MB.  From looking at output
from

$ ltrace -S telnet 
telnet> open telnet.google.com
Server lookup failure:  telnet.google.com:telnet, Name or service not known
telnet> open telnet.apple.com
Server lookup failure:  telnet.apple.com:telnet, Name or service not known
telnet> 

it appears that getaddrinfo() rescans /etc/hosts in full for each
lookup.  That's not obviously related to the problem you're having with
ntpd, but it does seem that huge ad-blocking host files are horribly
inefficient.  Does anyone know a way to load them into database of some
sort, perhaps a NIS database that could be referenced in /etc/host.conf,
e.g.

order hosts,nis,bind

Carl


From luc.linux at mailoo.org  Fri May  9 12:34:09 2014
From: luc.linux at mailoo.org (luc.linux at mailoo.org)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 18:34:09 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] NTP: Possible permissions bug
In-Reply-To: <1399653791.3784.117.camel@wot>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com> <536CF88E.2000905@gmail.com>
 <1399653791.3784.117.camel@wot>
Message-ID: <20140509163409.GG27309@luc-arch>

On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 12:43:11PM -0400, Carl Schaefer wrote:
> it appears that getaddrinfo() rescans /etc/hosts in full for each
> lookup.  That's not obviously related to the problem you're having with
> ntpd, but it does seem that huge ad-blocking host files are horribly
> inefficient.  Does anyone know a way to load them into database of some
> sort, perhaps a NIS database that could be referenced in /etc/host.conf,
> e.g.
To cache your values of /etc/hosts, you can install a dns server locally
(like dnsmasq). That way, dns resolution of cached values are nearly
instantaneous, and you can have a lot of dns rules. I have an /etc/hosts
of 16M, and yet I have a really fast DNS resolution.

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From a.adelmann at arcor.de  Fri May  9 13:00:27 2014
From: a.adelmann at arcor.de (Andreas Adelmann)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 19:00:27 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] archlinux kernel 3.14.2-1 Broadcom BCM4312
	firmware-files not found
Message-ID: <536D09AB.2020501@arcor.de>

Hello List,

my Netbook:
Packard Bell DOT M
Intel Z520 1.33G
1GB RAM
Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)

arch 32-bit fully updated.

I'm using b43-firmware from AUR.

uname -a:
Linux laptop 3.14.2-1-ARCH #1  SMP PREEMPT Mon 14 April 21:01:08 CEST
2014 i686 GNU/Linux

With Kernel 3.13.8-1 and b43-firmware-5.100.130 all works very well.

After Upgrade my System with Kernel 3.14.1-1 with same package of
Firmware installed and a reboot, i got this message on every boot:


Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: b43-pci-bridge 0000:03:00.0: enabling
device (0004 -> 0006)
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: ssb: Found chip with id 0x4312, rev 0x01
and package 0x00
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: ssb: Core 0 found: ChipCommon (cc 0x800,
rev 0x16, vendor 0x4243)
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: ssb: Core 1 found: IEEE 802.11 (cc 0x812,
rev 0x0F, vendor 0x4243)
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: ssb: Core 2 found: PCMCIA (cc 0x80D, rev
0x0A, vendor 0x4243)
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: ssb: Core 3 found: PCI-E (cc 0x820, rev
0x09, vendor 0x4243)
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: ssb: Sonics Silicon Backplane found on
PCI device 0000:03:00.0
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: b43-phy0: Broadcom 4312 WLAN found (core
revision 15)
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: b43-phy0: Found PHY: Analog 6, Type 5
(LP), Revision 1
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file
"b43/lp0initvals15.fw" not found
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features:
PMNLS ]
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file
"b43-open/ucode15.fw" not found
Apr 30 15:50:47 laptop kernel: b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and
download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully
read all instructions on this website.


The files are propper installed under /usr/lib/firmware/b43/


What have i done:
reinstalled firmware b43-firmware-5.100.130 by using Kernel
3.14.1-1 and 3.14.2-1 - no success.

Updating to b43-firmware-6.30.163.46 using Kernel 3.14.1-1 and 3.14.2-1
- no success.

Downgrading to Kernel 3.13.8-1 both firmware versions works as expected.

Sorry for my bad english.

Regards


From bisson at archlinux.org  Fri May  9 13:05:38 2014
From: bisson at archlinux.org (Gaetan Bisson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 19:05:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] NTP: Possible permissions bug
In-Reply-To: <536CF3C3.6000209@gmail.com>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com>
 <20140509060020.GB31003@aji.vesath.org>
 <536CF3C3.6000209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140509170538.GA902@aji.vesath.org>

[2014-05-09 08:26:59 -0700] Kyle Terrien:
> In ntp-4.2.7, there is a file called .placeholder.

I know, I put it there. :)

Anyhow I'm glad you diagnosed your problem.

-- 
Gaetan
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From mx34567 at gmail.com  Fri May  9 14:37:41 2014
From: mx34567 at gmail.com (Maciej Puzio)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 13:37:41 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Comment on: Use systemd timers instead of
 /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?
In-Reply-To: <CAGHKYHoXAONPmmsLLtzVeXAWeOQijfSa901yp7GM6pCOUd=Zxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACH_MLXUXM36YiLcd=v_ym+Ac4+KW+Kz=_SX6K+Fuhp_fj5EEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5359396D.6070407@archlinux.org>
 <CACH_MLXCmq+VV2EK+bgn+L+6gJiy-iMmfC+VK1iEmdy0b-yaPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1398460744.3575.124.camel@wot> <20140425173831.2e116300@bluemoon>
 <1398472357.3575.147.camel@wot>
 <CACH_MLWVjhstgm2M-ceSJQauAEv3-isEks1iXrH4X6s2kVE0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140505122118.4be23221@bluemoon>
 <CACH_MLV8Y769PO6PuDR9jWzS4WHHchn2H87m2hBkpisprEf5+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140506151334.2907bcbe@bluemoon>
 <CACH_MLX8q8B8X6beqFArSUCepnKz2DHxnsJQL3wkS33kNmB9AQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140507162309.6a0f80f2@bluemoon>
 <CAGHKYHoXAONPmmsLLtzVeXAWeOQijfSa901yp7GM6pCOUd=Zxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACH_MLVrAh9kBidBH9zQL4q=58G_dyAmRxBpPjQc5V-STyxiLw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Savyasachee Jha <savya.jha91 at gmail.com> wrote:
> They can, do refer to
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/cron_functionality where you
> can find some examples of the same.

Thank you for the link, it is quite interesting. A rather verbose
solution (in sheer number of files), but it does what I had in mind.
Hopefully, as more distros start to migrate away from cron, systemd
maintainers will simplify and standardize the configuration needed for
cron replacement.

Maciej Puzio

From emvigo at gmail.com  Sat May 10 05:50:49 2014
From: emvigo at gmail.com (Eugenio M. Vigo)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 11:50:49 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] sbcl is out of date
In-Reply-To: <CAG7ayyuKvw3Y+795t5eEx8nGrcN_bDuu+4JNLwpjkvDuSsEOxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8enj2ir7-xdwVgya53UEsoAwpyf-0hj+wjmuOMAVF23i+w4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG7ayyuKvw3Y+795t5eEx8nGrcN_bDuu+4JNLwpjkvDuSsEOxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK6UhHebTyssZ-bYAP=PCQkiB7LxJJGgws-nsyKdhiXpQefi7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
OK, SBCL has been updated yesterday, but to 1.1.17... So we're still one
release behind. Was there any reason not to jump directly to 1.1.18?




2014-05-04 14:13 GMT+02:00 Alexander R?dseth <rodseth at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
>
> As far as I know, there is no technical reason for the delay. It's
> normal that it may take a little while before a package is updated.
> After all, we are humans and not machines. :)
>
> If you really need the very latest version immediately, I'm glad to
> hear that you have already found a solution for that.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Alexander R?dseth
>   xyproto / TU
>

From nous at archlinux.us  Sat May 10 08:42:51 2014
From: nous at archlinux.us (Christos Nouskas)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 15:42:51 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] How to disable systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
In-Reply-To: <536BF58A.3060604@gmail.com>
References: <1399531437.5667.86.camel@Wailaba2>
 <CAMeTcfHNE3=a-Q4fmE6zfccTUYbdgMj7c8y8GBeGziCd+oosaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BDDCB.2020502@gmail.com>
 <CAMeTcfEEXkGB4gDFRc3KadgOmY8a75pW7Gu2gJ2C-VQ8K_A4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <536BF58A.3060604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMeTcfGh4h=+KfSjwhdfBuJsOj8_77EHWUSugyfHkY64WtkRGQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 9 May 2014 00:22, Daniel Micay <danielmicay at gmail.com> wrote:

> You already made it quite personal by promoting FUD with gems like this:
>
>> systemd's team is noticeably chauvinistic

Good grace, you pasted a quote I didn't make and made it appear as
mine or as if I approved it, whilst I was very careful about which
facts I *actually* agree with and quoted from the aforementioned site.

Furthermore, you kept implying I made or endorsed that quote in all
your subsequent posts, making it your chief argument. What kind of
people do that? [0]


> Do you think Tom and Dave are chauvanistic?

I've been an Archer since 2004 and I've never attacked anyone in our
lists or the boards. It's not polite and it's not constructive. I also
made it very very clear in my first post that I wasn't ranting against
people. But sucking up to authority was always a fast way to the top,
eh?


To answer my own question [0]: those who end up in my
"Trolls-Slanderers-Bigots-Fanatics" gmail trash filters. You match on
all of them. Welcome and goodnight.


-- 
X
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=m&K=nous
http://tiny.cc/linux-pf

From baker.stephen.e at gmail.com  Sat May 10 09:24:40 2014
From: baker.stephen.e at gmail.com (Stephen E. Baker)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 09:24:40 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] out of memory while allocating z_stream
Message-ID: <536E2898.2090009@gmail.com>

Hello,

As of yesterday I cannot boot, regardless of whether I choose the 
regular or failback kernel from the boot loader.

I haven't been able to find anything on google, so I was hoping someone 
here might know what's going on.

Last time my system was up I installed updates including the latest 
kernel, and I ran e4defrag over the disk.
The computer is a ThinkPad T60, with a Core 2 Duo and 2GB of Ram.  I am 
running the i686 version of Arch Linux.
My boot loader is syslinux.

In the mean time I'm downloading a new copy of the Arch Install ISO (all 
my existing recovery disks are too old to chroot from), and I will try 
reinstalling the kernel.

Output:
Loading ../vmlinuz-linux... ok
Loading ../initramfs-linux.img...ok
Probing EDD (edd=off to disable)... ok
early console in decompress_kernel

Decompressing Linux...

Out of memory while allocating z_stream

-- System halted





From baker.stephen.e at gmail.com  Sat May 10 10:31:04 2014
From: baker.stephen.e at gmail.com (Stephen E. Baker)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 10:31:04 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] out of memory while allocating z_stream
In-Reply-To: <536E2898.2090009@gmail.com>
References: <536E2898.2090009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536E3828.8090508@gmail.com>

On 2014-05-10 9:24 AM, Stephen E. Baker wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As of yesterday I cannot boot, regardless of whether I choose the 
> regular or failback kernel from the boot loader.
>
> I haven't been able to find anything on google, so I was hoping 
> someone here might know what's going on.
>
> Last time my system was up I installed updates including the latest 
> kernel, and I ran e4defrag over the disk.
> The computer is a ThinkPad T60, with a Core 2 Duo and 2GB of Ram. I am 
> running the i686 version of Arch Linux.
> My boot loader is syslinux.
>
> In the mean time I'm downloading a new copy of the Arch Install ISO 
> (all my existing recovery disks are too old to chroot from), and I 
> will try reinstalling the kernel.
>
> Output:
> Loading ../vmlinuz-linux... ok
> Loading ../initramfs-linux.img...ok
> Probing EDD (edd=off to disable)... ok
> early console in decompress_kernel
>
> Decompressing Linux...
>
> Out of memory while allocating z_stream
>
> -- System halted
>
Reinstalling the kernel does not help (kernel version is 3.14.2-2)

Booting into the system from System Rescue CD takes me to a root 
console, where I can see the following errors in journalctl transcribed 
by hand:

systemd-modules-load[400]:
Failed to lookup alias 'vhba': Function not implemented
Failed to lookup alias 'nfs': Function not implemented
Failed to lookup alias 'cuse': Funtion not implemented
Failed to lookup alias 'snd-seq-oss': Function not implemented

systemd[1]:
systemd-modules-load.service: main process exited, code=exited, 
status=1/Failure
Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.
Unit systemd-modules-load.service entered failed sate.
...
(several modules successfully start)
...
mount[410]: unknown filesystem type 'binfmt_misc'
systemd[1]: proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.mount process exited, code=exited 
status=32
systemd[1]: Failed to mount Arbitrary Executeable File Formats File System
Unit proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.mount entered failed state.
(repeat of the above)
(repeat of the above with additional line) systemd-binfmt[403]: Failed 
to add binary format: No such device
(repeat of above)
systemd[1]: Unit systemd-binfmt.service entered a failed state.
systemd-udevd[416]:
invalid key/value pair in file /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules on 
line 1,starting at character 1 ('U')
(repeat for line 2 and 3)

systemd[1]: Job 
dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0ee048dd\x2d2e11\x2d4499\x2d97ad\x2dc581a0eb3fba.device/start 
timed out.
systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device 
dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0ee048dd\x2d2e11\x2d4499\x2d97ad\x2dc581a0eb3fba.device

systemd[1]: Dependency failed for /boot.
systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Local File Systems.
systemd[1]: Dependency failed for File System Check on 
/dev/disk/by-uuid/0ee048dd-2e11-4499-97ad-c581a0eb3fba

systemd[1]: Job 
dev-disk-by\x2duuid-081bbc62\x2d30be\x2d4333\x2daee0\x2dc9d2f6ed5e55.device/start 
timed out.
systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device 
dev-disk-by\x2duuid-081bbc62\x2d30be\x2d4333\x2daee0\x2dc9d2f6ed5e55.device
systemd[1]: Dependency failed for 
/dev/disk/by-uuid/081bbc62/30be/4333/aee0/c9d2f6ed5e55.

systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Swap.
...
(several services shut down, several others successfully start)
systemd[474]: Failed at step EXEC spawning /bin/plymouth: No such file 
or directory


From baker.stephen.e at gmail.com  Sat May 10 11:17:00 2014
From: baker.stephen.e at gmail.com (Stephen E. Baker)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 11:17:00 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [solved] out of memory while allocating z_stream
In-Reply-To: <536E2898.2090009@gmail.com>
References: <536E2898.2090009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <536E42EC.1020106@gmail.com>

On 2014-05-10 9:24 AM, Stephen E. Baker wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As of yesterday I cannot boot, regardless of whether I choose the 
> regular or failback kernel from the boot loader.
>
> I haven't been able to find anything on google, so I was hoping 
> someone here might know what's going on.
>
> Last time my system was up I installed updates including the latest 
> kernel, and I ran e4defrag over the disk.
> The computer is a ThinkPad T60, with a Core 2 Duo and 2GB of Ram. I am 
> running the i686 version of Arch Linux.
> My boot loader is syslinux.
>
> In the mean time I'm downloading a new copy of the Arch Install ISO 
> (all my existing recovery disks are too old to chroot from), and I 
> will try reinstalling the kernel.
>
> Output:
> Loading ../vmlinuz-linux... ok
> Loading ../initramfs-linux.img...ok
> Probing EDD (edd=off to disable)... ok
> early console in decompress_kernel
>
> Decompressing Linux...
>
> Out of memory while allocating z_stream
>
> -- System halted
>
Alright, I did a couple things at once because I was tired of rebooting 
so I'm not sure which actually fixed it, but it's working now.
I ran the rescue disk in normal mode and did a chroot instead of trying 
to boot into my system.
I deleted the linux kernel from /var/cache/pacman, and installed it over 
again
I ran syslinux-update_install -u -m


From schaefer at trilug.org  Sat May 10 12:41:36 2014
From: schaefer at trilug.org (Carl Schaefer)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 12:41:36 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] dnsmasq w/ad-blocking hosts file (was NTP:
 Possible permissions bug)
In-Reply-To: <20140509163409.GG27309@luc-arch>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com> <536CF88E.2000905@gmail.com>
 <1399653791.3784.117.camel@wot> <20140509163409.GG27309@luc-arch>
Message-ID: <1399740096.26583.12.camel@wot>

On Fri, 2014-05-09 at 18:34 +0200, luc.linux at mailoo.org wrote:
> To cache your values of /etc/hosts, you can install a dns server locally
> (like dnsmasq). That way, dns resolution of cached values are nearly
> instantaneous, and you can have a lot of dns rules. I have an /etc/hosts
> of 16M, and yet I have a really fast DNS resolution.

thanks, that looks like a good solution.  This is what I ended up doing:

. revert /etc/hosts to local definitions
. download the ad-blocker hosts file to /etc/hosts-adblock
. install dnsmasq, and add to /etc/dnsmasq.conf:
  addn-hosts=/etc/hosts-adblock
. remove "hosts" from /etc/host.conf

Also, since my machine doesn't travel:
. add "nohook resolv.conf" to /etc/dhcpcd.conf
. put "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in /etc/resolv.conf
. add to /etc/dnsmasq.conf
  no-resolv
  server=8.8.8.8
  server=8.8.4.4

I haven't set this up on a laptop yet, but I imagine that would be more
complicated because sometimes the google DNS servers will be
inaccessible (e.g. hotel wifi).  Using OpenDNS on port 5353 might be a
good alternative.
Carl

From luc.linux at mailoo.org  Sat May 10 12:43:38 2014
From: luc.linux at mailoo.org (luc.linux at mailoo.org)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 18:43:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] dnsmasq w/ad-blocking hosts file (was NTP:
 Possible permissions bug)
In-Reply-To: <1399740096.26583.12.camel@wot>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com> <536CF88E.2000905@gmail.com>
 <1399653791.3784.117.camel@wot> <20140509163409.GG27309@luc-arch>
 <1399740096.26583.12.camel@wot>
Message-ID: <20140510164337.GA975@luc-arch>

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:41:36PM -0400, Carl Schaefer wrote:
> Also, since my machine doesn't travel:
> . add "nohook resolv.conf" to /etc/dhcpcd.conf
> . put "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in /etc/resolv.conf
> . add to /etc/dnsmasq.conf
>   no-resolv
>   server=8.8.8.8
>   server=8.8.4.4
> 
> I haven't set this up on a laptop yet, but I imagine that would be more
> complicated because sometimes the google DNS servers will be
> inaccessible (e.g. hotel wifi).  Using OpenDNS on port 5353 might be a
> good alternative.
> Carl
for that case, I have modified /etc/resolvconf.conf to make netctl
generate dns information on /etc/resolvdns.conf. I then setted
/etc/resolv.conf to localhost, and configured dnsmasq to use
/etc/resolvdns.conf. It is a bit a a hack, but it works.

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From sugar.and.scruffy at gmail.com  Sat May 10 15:15:56 2014
From: sugar.and.scruffy at gmail.com (Curtis Shimamoto)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 12:15:56 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] dnsmasq w/ad-blocking hosts file (was NTP:
 Possible permissions bug)
In-Reply-To: <20140510164337.GA975@luc-arch>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com> <536CF88E.2000905@gmail.com>
 <1399653791.3784.117.camel@wot> <20140509163409.GG27309@luc-arch>
 <1399740096.26583.12.camel@wot> <20140510164337.GA975@luc-arch>
Message-ID: <20140510191556.GA1155@thinkpad.home.lan>

On 05/10/14 at 06:43pm, luc.linux at mailoo.org wrote:
> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:41:36PM -0400, Carl Schaefer wrote:
> > Also, since my machine doesn't travel:
> > . add "nohook resolv.conf" to /etc/dhcpcd.conf
> > . put "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in /etc/resolv.conf
> > . add to /etc/dnsmasq.conf
> >   no-resolv
> >   server=8.8.8.8
> >   server=8.8.4.4
> > 
> > I haven't set this up on a laptop yet, but I imagine that would be more
> > complicated because sometimes the google DNS servers will be
> > inaccessible (e.g. hotel wifi).  Using OpenDNS on port 5353 might be a
> > good alternative.
> > Carl
> for that case, I have modified /etc/resolvconf.conf to make netctl
> generate dns information on /etc/resolvdns.conf. I then setted
> /etc/resolv.conf to localhost, and configured dnsmasq to use
> /etc/resolvdns.conf. It is a bit a a hack, but it works.
> 

Instead of all that, you can simply use /etc/resolv.conf.head.  Whatever
you put in there will be put in the top of /etc/resolv.conf.  This only
works with dhcpcd though.  For dhclient, you can configure this in
/etc/dhclient.conf.

-- 
Curtis Shimamoto
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From ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com  Sun May 11 10:41:14 2014
From: ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 16:41:14 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] error: haskell-core: signature
Message-ID: <1399819274.640.12.camel@archlinux>

Hi,

I don't know what to do, to get rid of the haskell-core errors [1]

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
https://github.com/archhaskell/habs/blob/master/README.md

# cat /etc/pacman.conf
[snip]
[haskell-core]
Server =  http://xsounds.org/~haskell/core/$arch


# pacman -Syu
error: haskell-core: signature from "ArchHaskell (Magnus Therning) <magnus at therning.org>" is unknown trust
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 multilib is up to date
 archaudio-production is up to date
 haskell-core is up to date
error: database 'haskell-core' is not valid (invalid or corrupted database (PGP signature))


# pacman-key -l
[snip]
pub   2048D/4209170B 2012-12-26
uid                  ArchHaskell (Magnus Therning) <magnus at therning.org>
sub   2048D/A418C0FE 2012-12-26


# gpg --list-keys
[snip]
pub   2048D/4209170B 2012-12-26
uid                  ArchHaskell (Magnus Therning) <magnus at therning.org>
sub   2048D/A418C0FE 2012-12-26


From pmlists at free.fr  Sun May 11 20:40:43 2014
From: pmlists at free.fr (=?utf-8?Q?Peter_M=C3=BCnster?=)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 02:40:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Resume from suspend in RAM fails
References: <2176126.efLELdNouJ@vasc2>
 <CAJgCmPx708vCWsx2LB8oymQBMrDx_cniJ2aTL8xfnYeYCFgkoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJgCmPyCmGX1RFfXYpgThti=P7K2VsbawHeQpf60FLutq_zkfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1430990.djm4YfBEGz@vasc2>
Message-ID: <877g5rhlro.fsf@micropit.roche-blanche.homenet.org>

On Wed, Jan 15 2014, nmset at netcourrier.com wrote:

> In any case, without any GUI up, it still does not resume properly.
>
> I must say that on the problematic machine, suspend-resume works well with 
> kernel 3.8.7, a custom build (not really knowledgeably), with which I'm stuck 
> since long.
> 
> 00:12.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0 USB OHCI1 
> Controller

Hi,

Perhaps this patch solves the problem:

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c1db30a2a79eb59997b13b8cabf2a50bea9f04e1

-- 
           Peter


From bo.bjornsen at gmail.com  Mon May 12 04:11:49 2014
From: bo.bjornsen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJuIMOYaXZpbmQgQmrDuHJuc2Vu?=)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 10:11:49 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] error: haskell-core: signature
In-Reply-To: <1399819274.640.12.camel@archlinux>
References: <1399819274.640.12.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <53708245.1080402@gmail.com>

On 11/05/14 16:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't know what to do, to get rid of the haskell-core errors [1]
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
> [1]
> https://github.com/archhaskell/habs/blob/master/README.md
>  <snip>

Hello,

Did you remember to sign the key locally?

# pacman-key --lsign-key 4209170B

Check out this page for the steps I used to enable the repository:
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Haskell#ArchHaskell_repository

There's also the arch-haskell list at:
 http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-haskell
if you have any further questions.

Bj?rn ?ivind


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From myvrenik at gmail.com  Mon May 12 04:22:46 2014
From: myvrenik at gmail.com (Andrey Mivrenik)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 11:22:46 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] linux-3.14.3-1 and FAT32 /boot partition mount fail
Message-ID: <CAPKxB76EZoUej77J6-mHuvskQ1N7kr7LHDb7VQf5whEAh+2v6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

After Linux kernel update my system can't boot properly because of this
error:
> [FAILED] Failed to mount /boot

Although it gives me opportunity to login as root.
When I try to mount it manually:
> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'

Kernel downgrade to 3.14.2-1 resolved this. So, did I miss something or
it's a bug?
I have to use FAT32 for /boot because I have that UEFI thing.

Regards,

-- 
*GPG Key ID:* D782DAB8

From davidm at sjsoft.com  Mon May 12 04:39:32 2014
From: davidm at sjsoft.com (David Moore)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 03:39:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [arch-general] linux-3.14.3-1 and FAT32 /boot partition mount
 fail
In-Reply-To: <CAPKxB76EZoUej77J6-mHuvskQ1N7kr7LHDb7VQf5whEAh+2v6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKxB76EZoUej77J6-mHuvskQ1N7kr7LHDb7VQf5whEAh+2v6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14392367.1343.1399883967221.JavaMail.davidm@dopey>



----- Original Message -----
> Hello,
> 
> After Linux kernel update my system can't boot properly because of
> this
> error:
> > [FAILED] Failed to mount /boot
> 
> Although it gives me opportunity to login as root.
> When I try to mount it manually:
> > mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
> 
> Kernel downgrade to 3.14.2-1 resolved this. So, did I miss something
> or
> it's a bug?
> I have to use FAT32 for /boot because I have that UEFI thing.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> *GPG Key ID:* D782DAB8
> 

Hi,

I had this exact issue - I thought I had done something wrong.  I booted into a live distro, chrooted to my root partition, mounted all the normal partitions, reinstalled the latest kernel package and it all started working again.  I still have no idea what went wrong - the initrd image as originally built did not recognize vfat or xfs, but did recognize btrfs, and that was true for the fallback image as well.

regards,

-- 
David Moore
Senior Software Engineer
St. James Software
Email: davidm at sjsoft.com


From wormzy.tykashi at gmail.com  Mon May 12 06:18:24 2014
From: wormzy.tykashi at gmail.com (WorMzy Tykashi)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 11:18:24 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] linux-3.14.3-1 and FAT32 /boot partition mount
	fail
In-Reply-To: <CAPKxB76EZoUej77J6-mHuvskQ1N7kr7LHDb7VQf5whEAh+2v6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKxB76EZoUej77J6-mHuvskQ1N7kr7LHDb7VQf5whEAh+2v6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALOYprW2eNS8y=hoHUk1FTNoxZmmnS_BUfAnEW2MRtkdpduc+w@mail.gmail.com>

On 12 May 2014 09:22, Andrey Mivrenik <myvrenik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> After Linux kernel update my system can't boot properly because of this
> error:
>> [FAILED] Failed to mount /boot
>
> Although it gives me opportunity to login as root.
> When I try to mount it manually:
>> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
>
> Kernel downgrade to 3.14.2-1 resolved this. So, did I miss something or
> it's a bug?
> I have to use FAT32 for /boot because I have that UEFI thing.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> *GPG Key ID:* D782DAB8

This is a frequent problem on UEFI systems that aren't set up
correctly. The kernel you're booting with doesn't match the modules
installed to /usr, because the kernel your boot manager is loading is
an older one. The new kernel was installed elsewhere, and wasn't
copied to the correct location.

Check your fstab and see where you're mounting your ESP. Remember that
the linux package installs the kernel to /boot/vmlinuz-linux.

If /boot is your ESP, check where your boot manager loads the kernel from.

If your boot manager uses an absolute path, remember that / (or \)
will be the root of the ESP, not your arch partition.

Here's the latest thread that I've seen:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180056

I'm sure plenty more would turn up in a forum search though.

Cheers,


WorMzy

From mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org  Mon May 12 06:56:32 2014
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org (Mihamina Rakotomandimby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 13:56:32 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Selective upgrade: pacman -Syu,
	"yes" but not the kernel
Message-ID: <5370A8E0.5010508@rktmb.org>

Hi all,

I would like to make my system up to date except for the kernel.
"pacman -Syu" propose to upgrade a bunch of softwares that includes the 
kernel

There's nothing wrong on upgrading the kernel, but I would like to delay 
it to the week-end. It's not a definitive refusal, it's just temporary.

How to tell pacman "OK for the upgrades, but dont upgrade the kernel for 
now"?

It currently wants to proceed with

Packages (43): firefox-29.0.1-1  gawk-4.1.1-1  gcc-4.9.0-2 
gcc-libs-4.9.0-2  grub-1:2.02.beta2-3  gtkspell3-3.0.6-1  gvfs-1.20.2-1
                gvfs-gphoto2-1.20.2-1  gvfs-mtp-1.20.2-1 
gvfs-smb-1.20.2-1  imagemagick-6.8.9.1-1  intel-dri-10.1.3-1 
libcacard-2.0.0-2
                libcdr-0.0.16-2  libmspub-0.0.6-2 
libreoffice-base-4.2.4-1  libreoffice-calc-4.2.4-1 
libreoffice-common-4.2.4-1
                libreoffice-draw-4.2.4-1  libreoffice-en-US-4.2.4-1 
libreoffice-fr-4.2.4-1  libreoffice-gnome-4.2.4-1
                libreoffice-impress-4.2.4-1  libreoffice-writer-4.2.4-1 
  libva-1.3.1-1  libxcb-1.10-2  linux-3.14.3-1  linux-headers-3.14.3-1
                man-pages-3.66-1  mesa-10.1.3-1  mesa-libgl-10.1.3-1 
nouveau-dri-10.1.3-1  nspr-4.10.5-1  nss-3.16.1-1  pacman-4.1.2-6
                poppler-0.26.0-1  poppler-glib-0.26.0-1 
python2-paramiko-1.14.0-1  sdl-1.2.15-6  unrar-1:5.1.5-1  xarchiver-0.5.3-4
                xf86-input-evdev-2.8.4-1  xfce4-mount-plugin-0.6.7-1



From kyle at gmx.ca  Mon May 12 07:03:01 2014
From: kyle at gmx.ca (Kyle)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 07:03:01 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Selective upgrade: pacman -Syu,
 "yes" but not the kernel
In-Reply-To: <5370A8E0.5010508@rktmb.org>
References: <5370A8E0.5010508@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <5370AA65.4070904@gmx.ca>

According to Mihamina Rakotomandimby:
# How to tell pacman "OK for the upgrades, but dont upgrade the kernel for
# now"?

pacman -Syu --ignore linux

will skip the kernel when upgrading the system. You can do this as many
times as you like, until you are ready to allow the kernel upgrade, at
which time, you just run 'pacman -Syu' normally.
~Kyle
http://kyle.tk/
-- 
"Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?"
Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie"

From alferpal at gmail.com  Mon May 12 07:04:04 2014
From: alferpal at gmail.com (Alexandre Ferrando)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 13:04:04 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Selective upgrade: pacman -Syu,
	"yes" but not the kernel
In-Reply-To: <5370A8E0.5010508@rktmb.org>
References: <5370A8E0.5010508@rktmb.org>
Message-ID: <CALELsEOfFN2VyhMG0iU+bBKhc7V9_KcUtHtLHK4rVztq6hSVhg@mail.gmail.com>

Che
On May 12, 2014 12:56 PM, "Mihamina Rakotomandimby" <
mihamina.rakotomandimby at rktmb.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to make my system up to date except for the kernel.
> "pacman -Syu" propose to upgrade a bunch of softwares that includes the
kernel
>
> There's nothing wrong on upgrading the kernel, but I would like to delay
it to the week-end. It's not a definitive refusal, it's just temporary.
>
> How to tell pacman "OK for the upgrades, but dont upgrade the kernel for
now"?
>
Check the --ignore option and ignore linux and  linux-headers

From magnus at therning.org  Mon May 12 09:37:57 2014
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 15:37:57 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] error: haskell-core: signature
In-Reply-To: <53708245.1080402@gmail.com>
References: <1399819274.640.12.camel@archlinux>
	<53708245.1080402@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAExw5uvUcZMsXJ-getFuNoC-xBQe4urZGx-W6uAra0pgWOe9Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Bj?rn ?ivind Bj?rnsen
<bo.bjornsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/05/14 16:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't know what to do, to get rid of the haskell-core errors [1]
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ralf
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/archhaskell/habs/blob/master/README.md
>>  <snip>
>
> Hello,
>
> Did you remember to sign the key locally?
>
> # pacman-key --lsign-key 4209170B
>
> Check out this page for the steps I used to enable the repository:
>  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Haskell#ArchHaskell_repository
>
> There's also the arch-haskell list at:
>  http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-haskell
> if you have any further questions.

You beat me to it Bj?rn ;)  Just to re-iterate though, Ralf, please
feel free to post your questions to the arch-haskell list.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                      OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4
email: magnus at therning.org   jabber: magnus at therning.org
twitter: magthe               http://therning.org/magnus

From rodrigorivascosta at gmail.com  Mon May 12 10:17:48 2014
From: rodrigorivascosta at gmail.com (Rodrigo Rivas)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 16:17:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
Message-ID: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, list!

This is an issue that has been nagging me for a while, and I thought
that it was something I did to my machine, until I tested it in
another Arch installation, and it is all the same.

The problem is when I run for example:

 $ systemd-run --user /usr/bin/ls
Failed to create bus connection: No such file or directory

I would expect it to run the command and save the output in the
journal, just as the --system counterpart does.

You could think that the systemd user daemon is not running properly, but:

 $ systemctl --user

works perfectly. Moreover, if I create a user unit as
~/.config/systemd/user/test.service and start it with `systemctl
--user start test` it works, too.

I know that systemd user sessions are still a bit of experimental, but
I don't see any reason why systemctl works and systemd-run does not.
Is this a bug? Or am I missing something?

-- 
Rodrigo

From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Mon May 12 10:23:33 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 23:23:33 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Rodrigo Rivas <rodrigorivascosta at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hello, list!
>
> This is an issue that has been nagging me for a while, and I thought
> that it was something I did to my machine, until I tested it in
> another Arch installation, and it is all the same.
>
> The problem is when I run for example:
>
>  $ systemd-run --user /usr/bin/ls
> Failed to create bus connection: No such file or directory
>
> I would expect it to run the command and save the output in the
> journal, just as the --system counterpart does.
>
> You could think that the systemd user daemon is not running properly, but:
>
>  $ systemctl --user
>
> works perfectly. Moreover, if I create a user unit as
> ~/.config/systemd/user/test.service and start it with `systemctl
> --user start test` it works, too.
>
> I know that systemd user sessions are still a bit of experimental, but
> I don't see any reason why systemctl works and systemd-run does not.
> Is this a bug? Or am I missing something?
>
> --
> Rodrigo
>

Well, I just tried this out on my laptop, and it gives two different error
messages.

$ sysytemd-run --user /usr/bin/ls
Failed to create message: Input/output error

$ sudo systemd-run --user /usr/bin/ls
Failed to create bus connection: Connection refused

And yes, running it with --system works perfectly well. It is very odd.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From kyleterrien at gmail.com  Mon May 12 10:43:02 2014
From: kyleterrien at gmail.com (Kyle Terrien)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 07:43:02 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] dnsmasq w/ad-blocking hosts file (was NTP:
 Possible permissions bug)
In-Reply-To: <20140510191556.GA1155@thinkpad.home.lan>
References: <536C30BE.9060609@gmail.com> <536CF88E.2000905@gmail.com>
 <1399653791.3784.117.camel@wot> <20140509163409.GG27309@luc-arch>
 <1399740096.26583.12.camel@wot> <20140510164337.GA975@luc-arch>
 <20140510191556.GA1155@thinkpad.home.lan>
Message-ID: <5370DDF6.2000505@gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for all of the suggestions on how to block ads at the
DNS level. I'm currently trying out Carl Schaefer's favorite hosts file
[1], but I look forward to experimenting with dnsmasq when my finals are
over.

--Kyle

[1] http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/

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From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Mon May 12 11:47:46 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 17:47:46 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Install php-apc in archlinux
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA95+a0D9PMu4UaAffs1hC3YkzKA+emsdN7MtL-3U3YTgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi I have installed nginx + php-fpm + mariadb + php 5.5 and I like
install php-apc but the package is:

extra/php-apcu 4.0.4-1
    A userland caching module for PHP

Is there the php-apc package??

Thanks in advanced.

From rumpelsepp at sevenbyte.org  Mon May 12 11:56:48 2014
From: rumpelsepp at sevenbyte.org (Stefan Tatschner)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 17:56:48 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Install php-apc in archlinux
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA95+a0D9PMu4UaAffs1hC3YkzKA+emsdN7MtL-3U3YTgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA95+a0D9PMu4UaAffs1hC3YkzKA+emsdN7MtL-3U3YTgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5370EF40.2070409@sevenbyte.org>

Am 12.05.2014 17:47, schrieb Maykel Franco:
> Hi I have installed nginx + php-fpm + mariadb + php 5.5 and I like
> install php-apc but the package is:
> 
> extra/php-apcu 4.0.4-1
>     A userland caching module for PHP
> 
> Is there the php-apc package??
> 
> Thanks in advanced.

There was an announcement a while ago:
https://www.archlinux.org/news/php-55-available-in-the-extra-repository/

Stefan


From ismael.bouya at normalesup.org  Mon May 12 14:04:10 2014
From: ismael.bouya at normalesup.org (Ismael Bouya)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 20:04:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>

(Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:23:33PM +0900) Savyasachee Jha :
> Well, I just tried this out on my laptop, and it gives two different error
> messages.
> 
> $ sysytemd-run --user /usr/bin/ls
> Failed to create message: Input/output error
> 
> $ sudo systemd-run --user /usr/bin/ls
> Failed to create bus connection: Connection refused
> 
> And yes, running it with --system works perfectly well. It is very odd.

(This answer is a summary of a tutorial that I wrote some days ago and you
can find the french version here:
http://immae.eu/blog/2014/05/10/gerer-sa-session-avec-systemd/
If you don't speak french, be patient, I'm working on its translation)



For me it works both with user and system.

It works for system:
That's normal, because systemd makes use of dbus, and the system bus is
always there, and he knows where to contact it.

However, systemd-run --user tries to contact the "user dbus" (AKA session
dbus), via your "systemd --user" (You can see it with "pstree -aUp login"
if it is started. If it is not, then probably you should enable the correct
module via pam). Does this process know your dbus session? If you didn't do
anything regarding that, then certainly not.

You can be sure by checking its environment which should contain something
like that:
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus

Let's say you don't have it in "systemd --user". Simply add something like
that in /etc/systemd/system/user at .service.d/dbus_env.conf
--------
[Unit]
Wants=dbus.service

[Service]
Environment=DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/%I/bus
---------
and follow the DBUS section there:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#D-Bus

This will ensure that you have a dbus session and that all the services
(including systemd --user) know how to have access to it.

Then you can run your systemd-run --user. You have to restart *all* your
sessions before that of course (I.e. you muss not have any remaining
session at your name, otherwise the process won't end. Check that with
systemd-cgls or so. If you enabled lingering sessions then you probably
don't have this problem, otherwise make sure everything is killed)


(Note that your shell doesn't have to know the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
variable)
-- 
Ismael
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From myvrenik at gmail.com  Mon May 12 17:15:58 2014
From: myvrenik at gmail.com (Andrey Mivrenik)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 00:15:58 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] linux-3.14.3-1 and FAT32 /boot partition mount
	fail
In-Reply-To: <CALOYprW2eNS8y=hoHUk1FTNoxZmmnS_BUfAnEW2MRtkdpduc+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKxB76EZoUej77J6-mHuvskQ1N7kr7LHDb7VQf5whEAh+2v6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALOYprW2eNS8y=hoHUk1FTNoxZmmnS_BUfAnEW2MRtkdpduc+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKxB76uFN4OMJ+GA-Nks3ip908SS8uHkGMTb4W8f2+e05q_ww@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, looks like it's mine bad first experience with UEFI, not used to its
specifications yet.

Thank you!


On 12 May 2014 13:18, WorMzy Tykashi <wormzy.tykashi at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12 May 2014 09:22, Andrey Mivrenik <myvrenik at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > After Linux kernel update my system can't boot properly because of this
> > error:
> >> [FAILED] Failed to mount /boot
> >
> > Although it gives me opportunity to login as root.
> > When I try to mount it manually:
> >> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
> >
> > Kernel downgrade to 3.14.2-1 resolved this. So, did I miss something or
> > it's a bug?
> > I have to use FAT32 for /boot because I have that UEFI thing.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > *GPG Key ID:* D782DAB8
>
> This is a frequent problem on UEFI systems that aren't set up
> correctly. The kernel you're booting with doesn't match the modules
> installed to /usr, because the kernel your boot manager is loading is
> an older one. The new kernel was installed elsewhere, and wasn't
> copied to the correct location.
>
> Check your fstab and see where you're mounting your ESP. Remember that
> the linux package installs the kernel to /boot/vmlinuz-linux.
>
> If /boot is your ESP, check where your boot manager loads the kernel from.
>
> If your boot manager uses an absolute path, remember that / (or \)
> will be the root of the ESP, not your arch partition.
>
> Here's the latest thread that I've seen:
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180056
>
> I'm sure plenty more would turn up in a forum search though.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> WorMzy
>



-- 
Andrey Mivrenik
GPG Key ID: D782DAB8

From mysatyre at gmail.com  Tue May 13 05:48:09 2014
From: mysatyre at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martti_K=C3=BChne?=)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 11:48:09 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] archlinux kernel 3.14.2-1 Broadcom BCM4312
 firmware-files not found
In-Reply-To: <536D09AB.2020501@arcor.de>
References: <536D09AB.2020501@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <CAONKL1Cd22FX+G9Q8dBw2mnmF6F0ByKxs5bZz2Fac4HiV5HJKg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Andreas Adelmann <a.adelmann at arcor.de> wrote:
> What have i done:
> reinstalled firmware b43-firmware-5.100.130 by using Kernel
> 3.14.1-1 and 3.14.2-1 - no success.
>

Only reinstalling the module won't do. You need to recompile for every kernel.

cheers!
mar77i

From lm at zork.pl  Tue May 13 07:54:05 2014
From: lm at zork.pl (=?UTF-8?B?xYF1a2FzeiBNaWNoYWxza2k=?=)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 13:54:05 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] kernel 3.14.2 hangs  - VirtualBox suspected
Message-ID: <537207DD.6040204@zork.pl>

Hi,

I recently updated kernel to 3.14.2 and now I see i/o subsystem hang in 
few minutes after I start VirtualBox 4.3.10 machines (with Windows7).

messages.log below. It looks like every process that tries to access 
/dev/md3 (even kworker and md3_resync) hangs forever.

Anyone has similar problems?


May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: kworker/u16:9   D 0000000000000000 
0   112      2 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Workqueue: writeback 
bdi_writeback_workfn (flush-9:3)
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8804175177c0 0000000000000046 
ffff88042fc575a0 ffff880417518000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff880417517fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff880417518000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  0000000034ca04fb ffff880417517710 
ffff880412a11e10 ffff8804175177b8
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81292817>] ? 
check_blkcg_changed+0x57/0x210
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145d35>] ? 
mempool_alloc_slab+0x15/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8128ce7f>] ? 
blk_throtl_bio+0x35f/0x940
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145d35>] ? 
mempool_alloc_slab+0x15/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145df1>] ? 
mempool_alloc+0x61/0x170
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04fe523>] ? 
__ext4_handle_dirty_metadata+0x83/0x1a0 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa048a666>] 
wait_barrier+0xc6/0x190 [raid10]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa048eca4>] 
make_request+0x44/0x130 [raid10]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0458a83>] 
md_make_request+0x103/0x260 [md_mod]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145d35>] ? 
mempool_alloc_slab+0x15/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145df1>] ? 
mempool_alloc+0x61/0x170
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8126f728>] 
generic_make_request+0xf8/0x150
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8126f7f8>] submit_bio+0x78/0x190
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ef800>] 
_submit_bh+0x140/0x230
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811f1379>] 
__block_write_full_page+0x129/0x370
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811f4c70>] ? I_BDEV+0x10/0x10
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811f17d2>] 
block_write_full_page_endio+0xb2/0x150
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811f1885>] 
block_write_full_page+0x15/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811f53f8>] 
blkdev_writepage+0x18/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8114e0f3>] __writepage+0x13/0x40
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8114e680>] 
write_cache_pages+0x1e0/0x4d0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8114e0e0>] ? 
mapping_tagged+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8114e9bd>] 
generic_writepages+0x4d/0x80
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811504ee>] 
do_writepages+0x1e/0x30
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e5dc0>] 
__writeback_single_inode+0x40/0x2b0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e72ca>] 
writeback_sb_inodes+0x26a/0x430
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e752f>] 
__writeback_inodes_wb+0x9f/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e778b>] 
wb_writeback+0x22b/0x360
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d4361>] ? 
get_nr_inodes+0x51/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e7d5f>] 
bdi_writeback_workfn+0x33f/0x4c0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81088068>] 
process_one_work+0x168/0x450
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81088ac2>] 
worker_thread+0x132/0x3e0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81088990>] ? 
manage_workers.isra.23+0x2d0/0x2d0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f2ea>] kthread+0xea/0x100
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8151757c>] 
ret_from_fork+0x7c/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: jbd2/md3-8      D 0000000000000000 
0   496      2 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8804136e5ca0 0000000000000046 
0000000000000001 ffff88041963ce80
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8804136e5fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff88041963ce80
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8804136e5bf0 ffffffff8119d6e6 
0000000000000046 0000000000000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8119d6e6>] ? 
kmem_cache_free+0x216/0x240
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810ba100>] ? 
cpuacct_charge+0x50/0x60
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a991c>] ? 
update_curr+0xec/0x1b0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a9e8f>] ? 
dequeue_entity+0x13f/0x580
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa049a7e5>] 
jbd2_journal_commit_transaction+0x215/0x19c0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8101567f>] ? 
__switch_to+0x1af/0x540
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8107928e>] ? 
try_to_del_timer_sync+0x5e/0x90
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04a1c4c>] 
kjournald2+0xec/0x2a0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04a1b60>] ? 
commit_timeout+0x10/0x10 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f2ea>] kthread+0xea/0x100
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8151757c>] 
ret_from_fork+0x7c/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: md3_resync      D 0000000000000000 
0  1297      2 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8800c3fb1b48 0000000000000046 
ffff88042fff9d80 ffff88040634ebf0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8800c3fb1fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff88040634ebf0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffffffff81b0acc0 0000000000011200 
0000000000000000 ffff88040634ebf0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81190861>] ? 
alloc_pages_current+0xb1/0x160
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa048af79>] ? 
r10buf_pool_alloc+0x1b9/0x2b0 [raid10]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa048a505>] 
raise_barrier+0x135/0x1a0 [raid10]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa048b2cf>] 
sync_request+0x25f/0x19b0 [raid10]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa045cdb6>] ? 
is_mddev_idle+0x136/0x170 [md_mod]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0460593>] 
md_do_sync+0x8c3/0xe40 [md_mod]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa045ca90>] ? 
md_register_thread+0xe0/0xe0 [md_mod]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa045cbe5>] 
md_thread+0x155/0x160 [md_mod]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa045ca90>] ? 
md_register_thread+0xe0/0xe0 [md_mod]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f2ea>] kthread+0xea/0x100
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8151757c>] 
ret_from_fork+0x7c/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: thunderbird     D 0000000000000000 
0  1323      1 0x00000004
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8804044b3b60 0000000000000086 
ffff880419674000 ffff88040634ce80
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8804044b3fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff88040634ce80
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffffffff810b3aa4 0000000000000000 
ffff8804044ef400 0000000070efd2c9
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b3aa4>] ? 
add_wait_queue+0x44/0x50
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b3b4d>] ? 
remove_wait_queue+0x4d/0x60
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ce4f3>] ? 
poll_freewait+0x53/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811cf6fa>] ? 
do_sys_poll+0x14a/0x570
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa049708d>] 
wait_transaction_locked+0x8d/0xd0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04973c2>] 
start_this_handle+0x262/0x610 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8119c95a>] ? 
kmem_cache_alloc+0x1fa/0x220
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0497b8b>] 
jbd2__journal_start+0xfb/0x210 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] ? 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04fdead>] 
__ext4_journal_start_sb+0x6d/0x110 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e65d8>] 
__mark_inode_dirty+0x38/0x2d0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d55e1>] update_time+0x81/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d5729>] 
touch_atime+0xf9/0x170
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145b1a>] 
generic_file_aio_read+0x54a/0x720
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba137>] 
do_sync_read+0x67/0xa0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba797>] vfs_read+0x97/0x160
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811bb2e9>] SyS_read+0x59/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81517629>] 
system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Chrome_FileUser D 0000000000000000 
0  1410      1 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803f9a79b60 0000000000000082 
ffffffff810a98a9 ffff8803fa9b2740
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8803f9a79fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff8803fa9b2740
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803fb2e7000 ffff8803fb2e6e00 
ffff88042fcd4738 ffff8803fb2e6e00
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a98a9>] ? 
update_curr+0x79/0x1b0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a9e8f>] ? 
dequeue_entity+0x13f/0x580
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a57f8>] ? 
__enqueue_entity+0x78/0x80
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810aa3f0>] ? 
dequeue_task_fair+0x120/0x530
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a41a5>] ? 
sched_clock_cpu+0xb5/0xe0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810156c1>] ? 
__switch_to+0x1f1/0x540
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa049708d>] 
wait_transaction_locked+0x8d/0xd0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04973c2>] 
start_this_handle+0x262/0x610 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8119c95a>] ? 
kmem_cache_alloc+0x1fa/0x220
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0497b8b>] 
jbd2__journal_start+0xfb/0x210 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] ? 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04fdead>] 
__ext4_journal_start_sb+0x6d/0x110 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e65d8>] 
__mark_inode_dirty+0x38/0x2d0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d55e1>] update_time+0x81/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d5729>] 
touch_atime+0xf9/0x170
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145b1a>] 
generic_file_aio_read+0x54a/0x720
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba137>] 
do_sync_read+0x67/0xa0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba797>] vfs_read+0x97/0x160
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811bb2e9>] SyS_read+0x59/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81517629>] 
system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Chrome_CacheThr D 0000000000000000 
0  1412      1 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803faf09ab0 0000000000000082 
0000000000000001 ffff8803fa9b3ae0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8803faf09fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff8803fa9b3ae0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffffffff810acfa3 00000000cb458df0 
ffff880419600700 00000000000146c0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810acfa3>] ? 
find_busiest_group+0x143/0x8b0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa049708d>] 
wait_transaction_locked+0x8d/0xd0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04973c2>] 
start_this_handle+0x262/0x610 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8119c95a>] ? 
kmem_cache_alloc+0x1fa/0x220
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0497b8b>] 
jbd2__journal_start+0xfb/0x210 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] ? 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04fdead>] 
__ext4_journal_start_sb+0x6d/0x110 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e65d8>] 
__mark_inode_dirty+0x38/0x2d0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d55e1>] update_time+0x81/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d5840>] 
file_update_time+0xa0/0xf0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81144a2c>] 
__generic_file_aio_write+0x14c/0x3e0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81144d13>] 
generic_file_aio_write+0x53/0xe0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04c6261>] 
ext4_file_write+0xb1/0x4e0 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811c3a59>] ? 
pipe_read+0x509/0x520
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba1d7>] 
do_sync_write+0x67/0xa0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba91a>] vfs_write+0xba/0x1e0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811bb58a>] 
SyS_pwrite64+0x9a/0xc0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81517629>] 
system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: BrowserBlocking D 0000000000000000 
0  1431      1 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8800c0871ab8 0000000000000082 
0000000000000000 ffff8803fc463ae0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8800c0871fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff8803fc463ae0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8800cb458f40 ffff8800c0871a10 
ffffffff8114323f ffff8800cb458d00
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8114323f>] ? 
find_get_page+0x5f/0xc0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed988>] ? 
__find_get_block_slow+0xc8/0x170
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed2b0>] ? 
generic_block_bmap+0x70/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b8f4>] io_schedule+0x94/0xf0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed2be>] 
sleep_on_buffer+0xe/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150bce3>] 
__wait_on_bit+0x83/0xa0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed2b0>] ? 
generic_block_bmap+0x70/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150bd87>] 
out_of_line_wait_on_bit+0x87/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4060>] ? 
autoremove_wake_function+0x40/0x40
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed3aa>] 
__wait_on_buffer+0x2a/0x30
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d6b3d>] 
ext4_find_entry+0x3bd/0x4f0 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d6cda>] 
ext4_lookup+0x6a/0x170 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811c46ed>] lookup_real+0x1d/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811c9229>] 
do_last.isra.36+0x539/0xe30
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811c7785>] ? 
path_init+0x335/0x410
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811c9be7>] 
path_openat+0xc7/0x6e0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a0c0f>] ? 
try_to_wake_up+0x1ff/0x2e0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811cb40d>] 
do_filp_open+0x4d/0xc0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d82d7>] ? 
__alloc_fd+0xa7/0x130
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811b9cbe>] 
do_sys_open+0x14e/0x250
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811b9dde>] SyS_open+0x1e/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81517629>] 
system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: BrowserBlocking D 0000000000000000 
0  1432      1 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803fa099b60 0000000000000082 
ffff88041f00be00 ffff8800bf7af5c0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8803fa099fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff8800bf7af5c0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803fa099aa8 ffffffff8109cb2a 
ffff880419600700 ffff88041f00be00
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8109cb2a>] ? 
update_rq_clock.part.78+0x1a/0x130
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8101f575>] ? 
native_sched_clock+0x35/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8101f5f9>] ? 
sched_clock+0x9/0x10
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a41a5>] ? 
sched_clock_cpu+0xb5/0xe0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810156c1>] ? 
__switch_to+0x1f1/0x540
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa049708d>] 
wait_transaction_locked+0x8d/0xd0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04973c2>] 
start_this_handle+0x262/0x610 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8119c95a>] ? 
kmem_cache_alloc+0x1fa/0x220
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0497b8b>] 
jbd2__journal_start+0xfb/0x210 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] ? 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04fdead>] 
__ext4_journal_start_sb+0x6d/0x110 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d233a>] 
ext4_dirty_inode+0x2a/0x60 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811e65d8>] 
__mark_inode_dirty+0x38/0x2d0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d55e1>] update_time+0x81/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811d5729>] 
touch_atime+0xf9/0x170
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145b1a>] 
generic_file_aio_read+0x54a/0x720
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba137>] 
do_sync_read+0x67/0xa0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ba797>] vfs_read+0x97/0x160
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811bb2e9>] SyS_read+0x59/0xd0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81517629>] 
system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: loop0           D 0000000000000000 
0  1660      2 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803fc1d58a8 0000000000000046 
ffff8803fc1d58b8 ffff88041963b110
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8803fc1d5fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff88041963b110
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff88041963b110 
ffff8800cbb93e68 ffff880417806f78
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810a0d52>] ? 
default_wake_function+0x12/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4032>] ? 
autoremove_wake_function+0x12/0x40
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b3915>] ? 
__wake_up_common+0x55/0x90
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa048a666>] 
wait_barrier+0xc6/0x190 [raid10]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa048eca4>] 
make_request+0x44/0x130 [raid10]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0458a83>] 
md_make_request+0x103/0x260 [md_mod]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff81145df1>] ? 
mempool_alloc+0x61/0x170
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8126f728>] 
generic_make_request+0xf8/0x150
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8126f7f8>] submit_bio+0x78/0x190
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8114e02f>] ? 
test_set_page_writeback+0x14f/0x1e0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d3125>] 
ext4_io_submit+0x25/0x50 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04d3393>] 
ext4_bio_write_page+0x213/0x320 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04cad7a>] 
mpage_submit_page+0x5a/0x80 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04caeb0>] 
mpage_process_page_bufs+0x110/0x120 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04cb0a0>] 
mpage_prepare_extent_to_map+0x1e0/0x300 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0497b8b>] ? 
jbd2__journal_start+0xfb/0x210 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04cf400>] ? 
ext4_writepages+0x3c0/0xd20 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04fdead>] ? 
__ext4_journal_start_sb+0x6d/0x110 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04cf42b>] 
ext4_writepages+0x3eb/0xd20 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811504ee>] 
do_writepages+0x1e/0x30
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811445ed>] 
__filemap_fdatawrite_range+0x5d/0x80
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8114470a>] 
filemap_write_and_wait_range+0x2a/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04c67a0>] 
ext4_sync_file+0x110/0x370 [ext4]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811eb8a6>] vfs_fsync+0x26/0x40
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0eaefb2>] 
loop_thread+0x392/0x6a0 [loop]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0eae8e0>] ? 
__do_lo_send_write+0x120/0x120 [loop]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0eaec20>] ? 
lo_receive+0x210/0x210 [loop]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f2ea>] kthread+0xea/0x100
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8151757c>] 
ret_from_fork+0x7c/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: jbd2/dm-0-8     D 0000000000000000 
0  1732      2 0x00000000
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803fc331bb8 0000000000000046 
0000000000000000 ffff8803fa4f6220
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  00000000000146c0 ffff8803fc331fd8 
00000000000146c0 ffff8803fa4f6220
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  ffff8803fc331b18 ffffffff810b3ba4 
ffff88041892d200 0000000000000001
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel: Call Trace:
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b3ba4>] ? __wake_up+0x44/0x50
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa0eae70d>] ? 
loop_make_request+0x11d/0x1d0 [loop]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed2b0>] ? 
generic_block_bmap+0x70/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b609>] schedule+0x29/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150b8f4>] io_schedule+0x94/0xf0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed2be>] 
sleep_on_buffer+0xe/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150bce3>] 
__wait_on_bit+0x83/0xa0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed2b0>] ? 
generic_block_bmap+0x70/0x70
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8150bd87>] 
out_of_line_wait_on_bit+0x87/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4060>] ? 
autoremove_wake_function+0x40/0x40
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff811ed3aa>] 
__wait_on_buffer+0x2a/0x30
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa049bf4a>] 
jbd2_journal_commit_transaction+0x197a/0x19c0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04a1c4c>] 
kjournald2+0xec/0x2a0 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff810b4020>] ? 
__wake_up_sync+0x20/0x20
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffffa04a1b60>] ? 
commit_timeout+0x10/0x10 [jbd2]
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f2ea>] kthread+0xea/0x100
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8151757c>] 
ret_from_fork+0x7c/0xb0
May 13 12:35:29 serenity kernel:  [<ffffffff8108f200>] ? 
kthread_create_on_node+0x1a0/0x1a0

From enwukaer at gmail.com  Tue May 13 09:39:38 2014
From: enwukaer at gmail.com (Nowaker)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 15:39:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] kernel 3.14.2 hangs  - VirtualBox suspected
In-Reply-To: <537207DD.6040204@zork.pl>
References: <537207DD.6040204@zork.pl>
Message-ID: <5372209A.3060806@gmail.com>

> I recently updated kernel to 3.14.2 and now I see i/o subsystem hang in
> few minutes after I start VirtualBox 4.3.10 machines (with Windows7).
>
> messages.log below. It looks like every process that tries to access
> /dev/md3 (even kworker and md3_resync) hangs forever.
>
> Anyone has similar problems?

I also use soft raid1 so I just ran W7 on my 3.14.3 and it just works.

You are probably hitting some bad sector. VM disk is on /dev/md3, isn't 
it? You may want to `cat` read the VM disk file, and dd `read` the whole 
drives and the md drive to see if they are readable. You may want to 
inspect /proc/mdstat, /sys/block/**/bad_blocks and smartctl reports.

You may be facing some bug in the raid drivers. I faced one too, which 
was then fixed. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68181 If it 
*is* a bug, the best what you can do is to report the bug, and keep the 
the current raid mirror as long as possible so you can tests patches the 
kernel guys provide.

-- 
Kind regards,
Damian Nowak
StratusHost
www.AtlasHost.eu

From lm at zork.pl  Tue May 13 10:41:15 2014
From: lm at zork.pl (=?UTF-8?B?xYF1a2FzeiBNaWNoYWxza2k=?=)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 16:41:15 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] kernel 3.14.2 hangs  - VirtualBox suspected
In-Reply-To: <5372209A.3060806@gmail.com>
References: <537207DD.6040204@zork.pl> <5372209A.3060806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53722F0B.4060600@zork.pl>

Yes, I had bad sector on md3 (raid10) array. Disk was replaced. But it 
looks like it is unrelated to the reason why my box is hanging. It 
started after kernel update from 3.10 to 3.14.2 and vbox to 4.3.10.

Now i updated kernel to 3.14.3, going 4h from update and it looks like 
my problem is gone.

Regards,
?ukasz

On 05/13/14 15:39, Nowaker wrote:
>> I recently updated kernel to 3.14.2 and now I see i/o subsystem hang in
>> few minutes after I start VirtualBox 4.3.10 machines (with Windows7).
>>
>> messages.log below. It looks like every process that tries to access
>> /dev/md3 (even kworker and md3_resync) hangs forever.
>>
>> Anyone has similar problems?
>
> I also use soft raid1 so I just ran W7 on my 3.14.3 and it just works.
>
> You are probably hitting some bad sector. VM disk is on /dev/md3, isn't
> it? You may want to `cat` read the VM disk file, and dd `read` the whole
> drives and the md drive to see if they are readable. You may want to
> inspect /proc/mdstat, /sys/block/**/bad_blocks and smartctl reports.
>
> You may be facing some bug in the raid drivers. I faced one too, which
> was then fixed. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68181 If it
> *is* a bug, the best what you can do is to report the bug, and keep the
> the current raid mirror as long as possible so you can tests patches the
> kernel guys provide.
>


From a.adelmann at arcor.de  Tue May 13 12:39:13 2014
From: a.adelmann at arcor.de (Andreas Adelmann)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 18:39:13 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] archlinux kernel 3.14.2-1 Broadcom BCM4312
 firmware-files not found
In-Reply-To: <CAONKL1Cd22FX+G9Q8dBw2mnmF6F0ByKxs5bZz2Fac4HiV5HJKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <536D09AB.2020501@arcor.de>
 <CAONKL1Cd22FX+G9Q8dBw2mnmF6F0ByKxs5bZz2Fac4HiV5HJKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53724AB1.5030802@arcor.de>

Am 13.05.2014 11:48, schrieb Martti K?hne:
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Andreas Adelmann <a.adelmann at arcor.de> wrote:
>> What have i done:
>> reinstalled firmware b43-firmware-5.100.130 by using Kernel
>> 3.14.1-1 and 3.14.2-1 - no success.
>>
> 
> Only reinstalling the module won't do. You need to recompile for every kernel.
> 
> cheers!
> mar77i

Thanks for the reply. But in this package there is no kernel module
included, only firmware files. The used module b43 is part of kernel and
included in the modules-array of my initrd.
Therfore i think there is nothing i can do, if the module doesn't find
the needed firmware files, or am i wrong?

Actually I'm using the broadcom-wl package. By using this you are right,
I need recompiling the package after kernelupdate.

Greetings

From registo.mailling at gmail.com  Tue May 13 16:24:42 2014
From: registo.mailling at gmail.com (Mauro Santos)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 21:24:42 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] Need some tips/help with kernel bisection
Message-ID: <53727F8A.3060208@gmail.com>

After the update to kernel 3.14 my laptop stopped suspending/hibernating
properly. I have narrowed down the problem somewhat, but before I submit
a bug upstream, I'd like to try and bisect the kernel to find exactly
what broke things for me (and I suppose I might be asked by upstream to
bisect the kernel anyway).

I have never done this before, and I suppose there might be a few
catches I should be aware of before I start what will be a time
consuming process.

My plan is to start with the current PKGBUILD for the kernel (or a
PKGBUILD from AUR) and modify it a little for my needs.

However I don't know if I should start with a kernel configuration file
from the 3.13 series or if I can use the one that is used by the current
kernel.

I was thinking of making use of 'make localmodconfig' to cut down on the
compilation time, but I don't know if there are any catches I should be
aware of.

Should I use 'make config' followed by 'make localmodconfig' or using
only the later is ok?

Can I compile the kernel on the same dir where I'm using 'git bisect' or
is it advisable to clone that to a new dir and build in the new dir?

In case compiling in place is ok, should I use 'make clean' before
compiling a new kernel?

Regarding patches, I suppose I shouldn't need to include any extra
patches or are there any known needed patches required to build kernel 3.13?

-- 
Mauro Santos

From rodrigorivascosta at gmail.com  Tue May 13 17:04:43 2014
From: rodrigorivascosta at gmail.com (Rodrigo Rivas)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 23:04:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <CABNG1c1cWsxFxGzpa6hQk0gHbSADCr5q59a9ywtWx7bfUc0H_g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Ismael Bouya
<ismael.bouya at normalesup.org> wrote:
> For me it works both with user and system.
>
> [skip instructions]
>
> (Note that your shell doesn't have to know the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
> variable)

Thank you!! I have followed your instructions and it actually works,
although I have to run:

 $ export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/$(id -u)/bus

before being able to run systemd-run.

What I don't understand is why. Why "systemd-run" needs the
dbus-session daemon while "systemctl" works perfectly fine without it?
Both programs ultimately call to the same interface [0], don't they?

After some investigation, it looks like the user systemd daemon
creates a private dbus address in "/run/user/$(id
-u)/systemd/private". Then, systemctl uses this private socket, while
systemd-run uses the standard, session, dbus-daemon, if the systemd
user daemon is able to connect to it (that's where I had failed but
Ismael succeeded).

Now, my question is:

Why doesn't systemd-run use the private socket address, just as systemctl does?

And now that we are into it, why is a separated program? Why not
"systemctl run" or "systemctl transient-run"? Maybe too many different
command-line options?

Just to prove my point I managed to create a user transient unit
without using the session bus, running this command:

 $ gdbus call -a unix:path=/run/user/$(id -u)/systemd/private -o
/org/freedesktop/systemd1 -m
org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager.StartTransientUnit \
run-$RANDOM.service fail \
"[('ExecStart', <[('/usr/bin/ls', ['/usr/bin/ls','-l'], false)]>)]" \
"[]"

Yes... it took me a while to get the right syntax ;-)

Maybe I should move this as a request for upstream?

-- 
Rodrigo

[0]: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/dbus/

From ismael.bouya at normalesup.org  Tue May 13 17:57:36 2014
From: ismael.bouya at normalesup.org (Ismael Bouya)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 23:57:36 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <CABNG1c1cWsxFxGzpa6hQk0gHbSADCr5q59a9ywtWx7bfUc0H_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CABNG1c1cWsxFxGzpa6hQk0gHbSADCr5q59a9ywtWx7bfUc0H_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140513215736.GA1383@phare.normalesup.org>

Hi,

I don't know if it's necessary to send the request upstream for the moment:
They are busy moving things to kdbus (which is the kernel implementation of
dbus, and not "KDE-dbus" as I thought initially).

Things are actually slightly messed up currently (that's my opinion, when I
spent time reading the systemd code to write my tutorial). The best thing
to be sure that everything works is to make sure that all of your processes
have the information about DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS, and the same
information (and that dbus --session is started also, of course). Some
processes spawn a dbus when they cannot find one, which makes things harder
to debug (because they won't complain but it won't work as expected as they
will have their own bus and noone can talk to them. And you end with two
dbus processes just for you)

About the difference between systemd-run and systemctl: I didn't have a
close look at the systemd-run code, but they seem to have a different way
of implementing dbus connections (which might come from the comment above,
or simply legacy code). And I also ran into trouble with systemctl when I
didn't have the DBUS part (I cannot remember which kind of problems, but
that's where I started to dive into details of systemd implementation)


So to sum up: if you have it everywhere it works; so why not put it and
forget about it (it's not so hard to ensure actually).


-- 
Ismael
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From marcel.lists at gmail.com  Tue May 13 20:19:10 2014
From: marcel.lists at gmail.com (Marcel Korpel)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 02:19:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Shouldn't libperconaserverclient provide and
	conflict with libmysqlclient?
Message-ID: <CAJuji_FOtRD0akaqpY4E+GK=WJP=TTKTxZj0u1YVcZqoUbAtkg@mail.gmail.com>

When I try to change my database server from mariadb to percona-server
I noticed that libperconaserverclient is going to be installed, but
libmariadbclient isn't going to be removed. When looking further into
the package function of libperconaserverclient [1] I noticed that
libmysqlclient isn't provided nor conflicts with
libperconaserverclient. However, in the package function of
libmariadbclient [2] there are the following lines:

  conflicts=('libmysqlclient')
  provides=("libmysqlclient=$pkgver")

Shouldn't these lines (or something like them) be in
package_libperconaserverclient? If so, I'll file a bug report.

Kind regards,
Marcel

[1] https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/percona-server#n73
[2] https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/mariadb#n69

From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Wed May 14 00:37:19 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:37:19 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <CAGHKYHqAi6HQg-kshwPoqOBfFomqcRyLhNCtpEh+WLTJeooi1w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Ismael Bouya
<ismael.bouya at normalesup.org>wrote:

>
> [snip-explanation]
> --
> Ismael
>

Thank you, Ismael. I've not yet implemented what you've suggested (been a
bit busy), but I'll report back once I get the time to play with my laptop.
I'm certain it works, as your explanation makes a lot of sense.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From yamakaky at yamaworld.fr  Wed May 14 03:45:40 2014
From: yamakaky at yamaworld.fr (Yamakaky)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 09:45:40 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <20140513215736.GA1383@phare.normalesup.org>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CABNG1c1cWsxFxGzpa6hQk0gHbSADCr5q59a9ywtWx7bfUc0H_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140513215736.GA1383@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <20140514074540.GA22383@yamac>

Now I understand why sometimes I have two dbus daemons, thanks ! It's because I
manage tmux with systemd --user, and $DBUS is set by my xorg session not managed
by systemd.

In fact, why isn't there a user unit for dbus by default ?

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Wed May 14 04:04:29 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:04:29 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Install php-apc in archlinux
In-Reply-To: <5370EF40.2070409@sevenbyte.org>
References: <CAJ2aOA95+a0D9PMu4UaAffs1hC3YkzKA+emsdN7MtL-3U3YTgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5370EF40.2070409@sevenbyte.org>
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA9c7=Ypx6SAGQOLgw3qS15OR-Uevjsho74ppG0PNc3=LQ@mail.gmail.com>

2014-05-12 17:56 GMT+02:00 Stefan Tatschner <rumpelsepp at sevenbyte.org>:
> Am 12.05.2014 17:47, schrieb Maykel Franco:
>> Hi I have installed nginx + php-fpm + mariadb + php 5.5 and I like
>> install php-apc but the package is:
>>
>> extra/php-apcu 4.0.4-1
>>     A userland caching module for PHP
>>
>> Is there the php-apc package??
>>
>> Thanks in advanced.
>
> There was an announcement a while ago:
> https://www.archlinux.org/news/php-55-available-in-the-extra-repository/
>
> Stefan
>

Thanks, I understand.

From ismael.bouya at normalesup.org  Wed May 14 04:07:55 2014
From: ismael.bouya at normalesup.org (Ismael Bouya)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:07:55 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <20140514074540.GA22383@yamac>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CABNG1c1cWsxFxGzpa6hQk0gHbSADCr5q59a9ywtWx7bfUc0H_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140513215736.GA1383@phare.normalesup.org>
 <20140514074540.GA22383@yamac>
Message-ID: <20140514080754.GA23485@phare.normalesup.org>

(Wed, May 14, 2014 at 09:45:40AM +0200) Yamakaky :
> Now I understand why sometimes I have two dbus daemons, thanks ! It's because I
> manage tmux with systemd --user, and $DBUS is set by my xorg session not managed
> by systemd.

Watch out about that. It's tempting to have your tmux managed by systemd
services (did you enable "lingering" to be sure that it doesn't get
killed when you exit your sessions?). And I do too.

However, to make it simple, a shell "part of a service" is not equivalent
to a shell "in the session scope of the user", so you should expect
problems with that (if you ever get lost, the command "systemd-cgls" is a
good way to find out in which kind of scope your processes are).

In particular, a service is never considered "active" by systemd, and
this can create problems when in interaction with polkit (for instance),
where the same command ("shutdown" is the best known example) will be
accepted without needing sudo in a regular shell while it will be refused
in a shell "part of a service".

I don't say of course that you shouldn't do it, just keep in mind that
it's not equivalent :p

 
> In fact, why isn't there a user unit for dbus by default ?

That's a good question!
-- 
Ismael
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From list at eworm.de  Wed May 14 04:23:32 2014
From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:23:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
Message-ID: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>

Hello everybody,

I just opened a bug report about libmariadbclient package shipping with static
libraries [0]. Taking a look at my libs dir I found some more...

# ll /usr/lib/*.a | wc -l
210

Any reason packages start shipping static libraries again? Or is there any
build system with wrong settings in makepkg.conf?

[0] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/40352
-- 
main(a){char*c=/*    Schoene Gruesse                         */"B?IJj;MEH"
"CX:;",b;for(a/*    Chris           get my mail address:    */=0;b=c[a++];)
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From yamakaky at yamaworld.fr  Wed May 14 04:35:06 2014
From: yamakaky at yamaworld.fr (Yamakaky)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:35:06 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <20140514080754.GA23485@phare.normalesup.org>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CABNG1c1cWsxFxGzpa6hQk0gHbSADCr5q59a9ywtWx7bfUc0H_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140513215736.GA1383@phare.normalesup.org>
 <20140514074540.GA22383@yamac>
 <20140514080754.GA23485@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <20140514083506.GA28157@yamac>

> I don't say of course that you shouldn't do it, just keep in mind that
> it's not equivalent :p

I know, thanks, I already had similar problems with gpg-agent. I solved this
problem with `After=gpg-agent.service` in tmux.service. It's not perfect, but it
seems to work.

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Wed May 14 04:38:09 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 03:38:09 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
In-Reply-To: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
Message-ID: <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>

On 2014-05-14 03:23, Christian Hesse wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I just opened a bug report about libmariadbclient package shipping with 
> static
> libraries [0]. Taking a look at my libs dir I found some more...
> 
> # ll /usr/lib/*.a | wc -l
> 210
> 
> Any reason packages start shipping static libraries again? Or is there 
> any
> build system with wrong settings in makepkg.conf?
> 
> [0] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/40352

They were specifically re-enabled in libmariadbclient, not sure why, 
though.

https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/mariadb&id=74ef541c06d70e373ce90dbae2e507185914651f

I only have 36 on my system, most related to gcc or glibc. What are all 
of yours?

From list at eworm.de  Wed May 14 04:55:16 2014
From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:55:16 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
In-Reply-To: <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
 <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
Message-ID: <20140514105516.0a883f13@leda.localdomain>

Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info> on Wed, 2014/05/14 03:38:
> On 2014-05-14 03:23, Christian Hesse wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> > 
> > I just opened a bug report about libmariadbclient package shipping with 
> > static
> > libraries [0]. Taking a look at my libs dir I found some more...
> > 
> > # ll /usr/lib/*.a | wc -l
> > 210
> > 
> > Any reason packages start shipping static libraries again? Or is there 
> > any
> > build system with wrong settings in makepkg.conf?
> > 
> > [0] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/40352
> 
> They were specifically re-enabled in libmariadbclient, not sure why, 
> though.
> 
> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/mariadb&id=74ef541c06d70e373ce90dbae2e507185914651f
> 
> I only have 36 on my system, most related to gcc or glibc. What are all 
> of yours?

# pacman -Qoq /usr/lib/*.a | sort | uniq -c
      2 binutils
      1 bison
     36 boost
     24 clang
      1 dialog
      1 e2fsprogs
      1 elfutils
      3 gcc-multilib
     11 glibc
      2 gnu-efi-libs
      1 iproute2
      1 jansson
      1 libbsd
      1 libemu
      1 libgnome-sharp
      4 libmariadbclient
      1 libxp
      4 live-media
     97 llvm
      1 lrzip
      2 mupdf
      1 nss
      1 openobex
      1 orbit2
      1 qt4
      3 qt5-base
      1 qt5-tools
      1 ruby
      1 sdl
      1 tcl
      1 tk
      1 yasm
      1 zlib

I think gcc, glibc, llvm and friends are ok. But zlib, mupdf, mysql/mariadb
and some others should go away.
-- 
main(a){char*c=/*    Schoene Gruesse                         */"B?IJj;MEH"
"CX:;",b;for(a/*    Chris           get my mail address:    */=0;b=c[a++];)
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From nqn1976list at gmail.com  Wed May 14 05:51:23 2014
From: nqn1976list at gmail.com (Antonio Rojas)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 11:51:23 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
 <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
 <20140514105516.0a883f13@leda.localdomain>
Message-ID: <lkveas$m72$1@ger.gmane.org>

Christian Hesse wrote:

> I think gcc, glibc, llvm and friends are ok. But zlib, mupdf,
> mysql/mariadb and some others should go away.

 There was a to-do list to cleanup all static libs, so all remaining ones 
are there for a reason. Check the changelogs for the specific reasons for 
each package, e.g.

https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/zlib&id=83d05088a1cb1b56561b9ebe365d18d033752c72

https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/mupdf&id=c34f53eeb8efd6b4b033c2fdc58d0a329efdeeef


From list at eworm.de  Wed May 14 07:51:37 2014
From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:51:37 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
In-Reply-To: <lkveas$m72$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
 <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
 <20140514105516.0a883f13@leda.localdomain>
 <lkveas$m72$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20140514135137.18d52d69@leda.localdomain>

Antonio Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> on Wed, 2014/05/14 11:51:
> Christian Hesse wrote:
> 
> > I think gcc, glibc, llvm and friends are ok. But zlib, mupdf,
> > mysql/mariadb and some others should go away.
> 
>  There was a to-do list to cleanup all static libs, so all remaining ones 
> are there for a reason. Check the changelogs for the specific reasons for 
> each package, e.g.
> 
> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/zlib&id=83d05088a1cb1b56561b9ebe365d18d033752c72

Is it possible to fix binutils testsuite?

Remember the security flaws in zlib? Does anybody know what package has been
built against static zlib?

> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/mupdf&id=c34f53eeb8efd6b4b033c2fdc58d0a329efdeeef

This brings the static libraries back, but there is no reason.

libmariadbclient ships with static libraries because a package from AUR
(neko) requires it. I think anybody should fix neko, but shipping official
packages with static libraries in this situation is just stupid.

Removing static libraries (and keeping them away!) should be treated more
strict.
-- 
main(a){char*c=/*    Schoene Gruesse                         */"B?IJj;MEH"
"CX:;",b;for(a/*    Chris           get my mail address:    */=0;b=c[a++];)
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From siosm99 at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:20:26 2014
From: siosm99 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Timoth=E9e_Ravier?=)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 17:20:26 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
In-Reply-To: <20140514135137.18d52d69@leda.localdomain>
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
 <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
 <20140514105516.0a883f13@leda.localdomain> <lkveas$m72$1@ger.gmane.org>
 <20140514135137.18d52d69@leda.localdomain>
Message-ID: <537389BA.1040408@gmail.com>

On 14/05/2014 13:51, Christian Hesse wrote:
> Is it possible to fix binutils testsuite?
> 
> Remember the security flaws in zlib? Does anybody know what package has been
> built against static zlib?
> 
>> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/mupdf&id=c34f53eeb8efd6b4b033c2fdc58d0a329efdeeef
> 
> This brings the static libraries back, but there is no reason.
> 
> libmariadbclient ships with static libraries because a package from AUR
> (neko) requires it. I think anybody should fix neko, but shipping official
> packages with static libraries in this situation is just stupid.
> 
> Removing static libraries (and keeping them away!) should be treated more
> strict.

Please file bug reports. One for each package.

-- 
Timoth?e Ravier

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Wed May 14 11:23:30 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:23:30 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
In-Reply-To: <20140514135137.18d52d69@leda.localdomain>
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
 <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
 <20140514105516.0a883f13@leda.localdomain> <lkveas$m72$1@ger.gmane.org>
 <20140514135137.18d52d69@leda.localdomain>
Message-ID: <40142bb600e995cbcc4f353eed5ab366@archlinux.info>

On 2014-05-14 06:51, Christian Hesse wrote:
> Antonio Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> on Wed, 2014/05/14 11:51:
>> Christian Hesse wrote:
>> 
>> > I think gcc, glibc, llvm and friends are ok. But zlib, mupdf,
>> > mysql/mariadb and some others should go away.
>> 
>>  There was a to-do list to cleanup all static libs, so all remaining 
>> ones
>> are there for a reason. Check the changelogs for the specific reasons 
>> for
>> each package, e.g.
>> 
>> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/zlib&id=83d05088a1cb1b56561b9ebe365d18d033752c72
> 
> Is it possible to fix binutils testsuite?
> 
> Remember the security flaws in zlib? Does anybody know what package has 
> been
> built against static zlib?
> 
>> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/mupdf&id=c34f53eeb8efd6b4b033c2fdc58d0a329efdeeef
> 
> This brings the static libraries back, but there is no reason.
> 
> libmariadbclient ships with static libraries because a package from AUR
> (neko) requires it. I think anybody should fix neko, but shipping 
> official
> packages with static libraries in this situation is just stupid.
> 
> Removing static libraries (and keeping them away!) should be treated 
> more
> strict.

That's completely up to the maintainer. If they decide to ship static 
libs for any reason, that's their choice to make. There are very few 
"strict" rules.

From fsckdaemon at gmail.com  Wed May 14 12:21:13 2014
From: fsckdaemon at gmail.com (fsckd)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 12:21:13 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [Classroom] new class: A First Look at the Linux
	Kernel - Saturday, May 31 at 16:00 UTC
Message-ID: <537397fe.0161e00a.6aff.53e7@mx.google.com>

Hello,

jy2wong will be teaching a class called, "A First Look at the Linux Kernel". The class will cover the role of kernels in a system, why you might want to consider compiling your own, and tips for not getting lost in the configuration process during your first Linux kernel compile.

Prerequisites: While not necessary, it is useful to be familiar with ABS [1] before taking the class. If you are unfamiliar with PKGBUILDs, logs from past classes make an excellent primer. [2]

The class will be Saturday, May 31, 2014 at 16:00 UTC in the IRC channel #archlinux-classroom on the Freenode network. If there is enough interest, the class may also be held a second time on that day for people from East Asia and Oceania. If you want the class being held again for those timezones, please reply to this email indicating so.

About jy2wong in her own words: I'm a university student from Canada, studying/doing research in something involving signal processing (that lies somewhere between math and computers). I've installed Arch Linux on my laptop about 4 times now, and the first 3 times were in my first week of using Arch Linux (that was about 5 years ago). I've been compiling my own kernel for the last 3 or 4 years. I think I'm allergic to cats.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernels/Compilation/Arch_Build_System
[2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Classroom#Previous_Classes

From thiagoperrotta95 at gmail.com  Wed May 14 12:51:39 2014
From: thiagoperrotta95 at gmail.com (Thiago Barroso Perrotta)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:51:39 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] [Classroom] new class: A First Look at the Linux
 Kernel - Saturday, May 31 at 16:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <537397fe.0161e00a.6aff.53e7@mx.google.com>
References: <537397fe.0161e00a.6aff.53e7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CABOtWuroJ-tHtF6iizpgVnSBSFpC3F-JsT3F_SmQPq701xn3Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Nice one! I'll try to attend.

From yamakaky at yamaworld.fr  Wed May 14 12:53:17 2014
From: yamakaky at yamaworld.fr (Yamakaky)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 18:53:17 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [Classroom] new class: A First Look at the Linux
 Kernel - Saturday, May 31 at 16:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <CABOtWuroJ-tHtF6iizpgVnSBSFpC3F-JsT3F_SmQPq701xn3Fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <537397fe.0161e00a.6aff.53e7@mx.google.com>
 <CABOtWuroJ-tHtF6iizpgVnSBSFpC3F-JsT3F_SmQPq701xn3Fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140514165316.GA31726@yamac>

me to !

From thebillywayne at gmail.com  Wed May 14 17:52:37 2014
From: thebillywayne at gmail.com (Billy McCann)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 17:52:37 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [Classroom] new class: A First Look at the Linux
 Kernel - Saturday, May 31 at 16:00 UTC
Message-ID: <CAGP40aC=kdqjbmChDg3=C=+Bxf-wVmA+7-a9F=drBNiYbm0zcA@mail.gmail.com>

Looking foward.

From schaefer at trilug.org  Thu May 15 00:52:17 2014
From: schaefer at trilug.org (Carl Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 00:52:17 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] console font setup
Message-ID: <1400129537.31201.26.camel@wot>

I've installed arch in a qemu virtual machine, and I've specified
FONT=Lat2-Terminus16 in /etc/vconsole.conf.  When the machine boots I
can see the effect of that font being installed, but soon after the
console font is reset to some default value.  This happens with qemu's
default virtual display hardware of "cirrus" and also "qxl", but not
"std" or "vmware".

What seems to fix it is delaying the execution of
systemd-vconsole-setup until after /dev/fb0 has been created, by
creating /etc/udev/rules.d/20-fb0.rules:

SUBSYSTEM=="graphics", KERNEL=="fb0", TAG+="systemd"

and /etc/systemd/system/systemd-vconsole-setup.service.d/local.conf:

[Unit]
After=dev-fb0.device
Requires=dev-fb0.device


I have a few questions:

* does anybody else have this problem?
* are there any better ways to solve it than the above?
* does this indicate a missing dependency for systemd-vconsole-setup,
and/or bugs in the VGA drivers that appear to overwrite the configured
console font?

thanks!
Carl

From kitchi.srikrishna at gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:44:08 2014
From: kitchi.srikrishna at gmail.com (Sri Krishna)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:14:08 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
In-Reply-To: <40142bb600e995cbcc4f353eed5ab366@archlinux.info>
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
 <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
 <20140514105516.0a883f13@leda.localdomain>
 <lkveas$m72$1@ger.gmane.org>
 <20140514135137.18d52d69@leda.localdomain>
 <40142bb600e995cbcc4f353eed5ab366@archlinux.info>
Message-ID: <CA+qdgMcvCOUaqfU2fqxp7kGu=7R2xcvb57tO2Veu8pkxHMZd6w@mail.gmail.com>

This may not be the best place to ask... But what exactly is the problem
with mariadb shipping with static libs?
On 14-May-2014 8:53 PM, "Doug Newgard" <scimmia at archlinux.info> wrote:

> On 2014-05-14 06:51, Christian Hesse wrote:
>
>> Antonio Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> on Wed, 2014/05/14 11:51:
>>
>>> Christian Hesse wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think gcc, glibc, llvm and friends are ok. But zlib, mupdf,
>>> > mysql/mariadb and some others should go away.
>>>
>>>  There was a to-do list to cleanup all static libs, so all remaining ones
>>> are there for a reason. Check the changelogs for the specific reasons for
>>> each package, e.g.
>>>
>>> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/
>>> commit/trunk?h=packages/zlib&id=83d05088a1cb1b56561b9ebe365d18d033752c72
>>>
>>
>> Is it possible to fix binutils testsuite?
>>
>> Remember the security flaws in zlib? Does anybody know what package has
>> been
>> built against static zlib?
>>
>>  https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/
>>> commit/trunk?h=packages/mupdf&id=c34f53eeb8efd6b4b033c2fdc58d0a
>>> 329efdeeef
>>>
>>
>> This brings the static libraries back, but there is no reason.
>>
>> libmariadbclient ships with static libraries because a package from AUR
>> (neko) requires it. I think anybody should fix neko, but shipping official
>> packages with static libraries in this situation is just stupid.
>>
>> Removing static libraries (and keeping them away!) should be treated more
>> strict.
>>
>
> That's completely up to the maintainer. If they decide to ship static libs
> for any reason, that's their choice to make. There are very few "strict"
> rules.
>

From arnaud.gaboury at gmail.com  Thu May 15 07:50:14 2014
From: arnaud.gaboury at gmail.com (arnaud gaboury)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 13:50:14 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] virtualize a w8 ntfs partition and run w8 inside Arch
Message-ID: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>

I dual boot Arch and w8 in EFI mode with rEFInd. Both Os are on the
same ssd, with a ESP partition.

Now I am looking to allow Arch users to run a virtualized version of
the w8 already installed. The idea is to keep the dual boot option and
allow the use of the installed w8 from Arch.I want to run within Arch
a real "copy" of w8. In short, when changes are made or new apps are
installed from w8 boot, I want to be sure these changes will be taken
into account in the virtualized w8.

It seems to me the QEMU arch wiki part [1] :
Using any real partition as the single primary partition of a hard disk image

will do what I am willing for. Am I right?
If yes, is there any workaround to use the ESP partition of my ssd
instead of creating a MBR like suggested in the WIKI ?

Thank you for help and tips.

[1]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU

From rodseth at gmail.com  Thu May 15 09:03:08 2014
From: rodseth at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Alexander_R=C3=B8dseth?=)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:03:08 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] static libraries in packages
In-Reply-To: <CA+qdgMcvCOUaqfU2fqxp7kGu=7R2xcvb57tO2Veu8pkxHMZd6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140514102332.27bd6746@leda.localdomain>
 <74be9be96227d3317ed902e24ca538ee@archlinux.info>
 <20140514105516.0a883f13@leda.localdomain> <lkveas$m72$1@ger.gmane.org>
 <20140514135137.18d52d69@leda.localdomain>
 <40142bb600e995cbcc4f353eed5ab366@archlinux.info>
 <CA+qdgMcvCOUaqfU2fqxp7kGu=7R2xcvb57tO2Veu8pkxHMZd6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG7ayyu5eCnfwzRdWd4xYmaMGxNhVosiANYzgA8Km1RC+oRtxg@mail.gmail.com>

Updated the neko package in AUR. It should no longer need the static
mariadb library file.

---
Best regards,
xyproto / Alexander R?dseth

From magnus at therning.org  Thu May 15 09:53:13 2014
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:53:13 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] virtualize a w8 ntfs partition and run w8 inside
	Arch
In-Reply-To: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAExw5tMpswOcSB5kL9kaDSKf3se+3aqw2E0ZSw_Os4gxvy0LQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:50 PM, arnaud gaboury
<arnaud.gaboury at gmail.com> wrote:
> I dual boot Arch and w8 in EFI mode with rEFInd. Both Os are on the
> same ssd, with a ESP partition.
>
> Now I am looking to allow Arch users to run a virtualized version of
> the w8 already installed. The idea is to keep the dual boot option and
> allow the use of the installed w8 from Arch.I want to run within Arch
> a real "copy" of w8. In short, when changes are made or new apps are
> installed from w8 boot, I want to be sure these changes will be taken
> into account in the virtualized w8.
>
> It seems to me the QEMU arch wiki part [1] :
> Using any real partition as the single primary partition of a hard disk image
>
> will do what I am willing for. Am I right?
> If yes, is there any workaround to use the ESP partition of my ssd
> instead of creating a MBR like suggested in the WIKI ?
>
> Thank you for help and tips.

I'm currently doing something similar in order to limit my exposure to
Windows 7.  However I'm using VirtualBox.  I'm not familiar enough
with QEMU to know how it compares on a feature level, USB passthrough
and other things, but I thought I'd just mention it as an option to
QEMU.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                      OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4
email: magnus at therning.org   jabber: magnus at therning.org
twitter: magthe               http://therning.org/magnus

From gdamjan at gmail.com  Thu May 15 10:22:03 2014
From: gdamjan at gmail.com (Damjan Georgievski)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:22:03 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] virtualize a w8 ntfs partition and run w8 inside
	Arch
In-Reply-To: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk1YH7Kh=rzd0L3kqUAWnVxX=JnP5oEcVqrohPrTeNRj2+88A@mail.gmail.com>

> Now I am looking to allow Arch users to run a virtualized version of
> the w8 already installed. The idea is to keep the dual boot option and
> allow the use of the installed w8 from Arch.I want to run within Arch
> a real "copy" of w8. In short, when changes are made or new apps are
> installed from w8 boot, I want to be sure these changes will be taken
> into account in the virtualized w8.

Isn't Windows going to complain about the hardware changing when you
alternate between the virtual machine and the real PC?

-- 
damjan

From pfilz0 at bluewin.ch  Thu May 15 11:37:00 2014
From: pfilz0 at bluewin.ch (Patrick Helfenstein)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 00:37:00 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] [Classroom] new class: A First Look at the Linux
 Kernel - Saturday, May 31 at 16:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <537397fe.0161e00a.6aff.53e7@mx.google.com>
References: <537397fe.0161e00a.6aff.53e7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5374DF1C.1090908@bluewin.ch>


On 05/15/2014 01:21 AM, fsckd wrote:
> Hello,
>
> jy2wong will be teaching a class called, "A First Look at the Linux 
> Kernel". The class will cover the role of kernels in a system, why you 
> might want to consider compiling your own, and tips for not getting 
> lost in the configuration process during your first Linux kernel compile.
>
> Prerequisites: While not necessary, it is useful to be familiar with 
> ABS [1] before taking the class. If you are unfamiliar with PKGBUILDs, 
> logs from past classes make an excellent primer. [2]
>
> The class will be Saturday, May 31, 2014 at 16:00 UTC in the IRC 
> channel #archlinux-classroom on the Freenode network. If there is 
> enough interest, the class may also be held a second time on that day 
> for people from East Asia and Oceania. If you want the class being 
> held again for those timezones, please reply to this email indicating so.
>
> About jy2wong in her own words: I'm a university student from Canada, 
> studying/doing research in something involving signal processing (that 
> lies somewhere between math and computers). I've installed Arch Linux 
> on my laptop about 4 times now, and the first 3 times were in my first 
> week of using Arch Linux (that was about 5 years ago). I've been 
> compiling my own kernel for the last 3 or 4 years. I think I'm 
> allergic to cats.
>
> [1] 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernels/Compilation/Arch_Build_System
> [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Classroom#Previous_Classes
>
I'm interested in the repeated class for East Asia

From arnaud.gaboury at gmail.com  Thu May 15 12:38:59 2014
From: arnaud.gaboury at gmail.com (arnaud gaboury)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 18:38:59 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] virtualize a w8 ntfs partition and run w8 inside
	Arch
In-Reply-To: <CAEk1YH7Kh=rzd0L3kqUAWnVxX=JnP5oEcVqrohPrTeNRj2+88A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEk1YH7Kh=rzd0L3kqUAWnVxX=JnP5oEcVqrohPrTeNRj2+88A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK1hC9vgUUm-5jKoNpYTcP3S2jmQDxCMhwwPY1GkYaYGzaA68g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Isn't Windows going to complain about the hardware changing when you
> alternate between the virtual machine and the real PC?
>
> --
> damjan

I think it will be a serious issue. you are right. Hardware
registration can be a barrier to this setup.

-- 

google.com/+arnaudgabourygabx

From j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com  Thu May 15 14:03:04 2014
From: j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com (Javier Vasquez)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:03:04 -0600
Subject: [arch-general]  No usb keyboard in early userspace
Message-ID: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

With recent linux "3.14.4-1" I can no longer use the keyboard in early
userspace, like providing the password for encrypted disk.

I do have, and has had the keyboard hook on mkinitcpio.conf.

I didn't have problems with any of the 3.13.* linux images, this is
new after installation of 3.14.4.

BTW, this is a laptop, and the laptop integrated keyboard fortunatelly
is working.

Anyone aware?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier.

From schaefer at trilug.org  Thu May 15 14:11:09 2014
From: schaefer at trilug.org (Carl Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 14:11:09 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] No usb keyboard in early userspace
In-Reply-To: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1400177469.31201.37.camel@wot>


> With recent linux "3.14.4-1" I can no longer use the keyboard in early
> userspace, like providing the password for encrypted disk.
> 
> I do have, and have had the keyboard hook on mkinitcpio.conf.
> 
> I didn't have problems with any of the 3.13.* linux images, this is
> new after installation of 3.14.4.

I don't have an answer, just a data point - I'm still on 3.14.2, and on
that version using a USB keyboard to access an encrypted root works.
Carl

From magnus at therning.org  Thu May 15 14:19:45 2014
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 20:19:45 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] virtualize a w8 ntfs partition and run w8 inside
 Arch
In-Reply-To: <CAK1hC9vgUUm-5jKoNpYTcP3S2jmQDxCMhwwPY1GkYaYGzaA68g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEk1YH7Kh=rzd0L3kqUAWnVxX=JnP5oEcVqrohPrTeNRj2+88A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK1hC9vgUUm-5jKoNpYTcP3S2jmQDxCMhwwPY1GkYaYGzaA68g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140515181945.GA1578@tatooine.lan>

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 06:38:59PM +0200, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> >
> > Isn't Windows going to complain about the hardware changing when you
> > alternate between the virtual machine and the real PC?
> >
> > --
> > damjan
> 
> I think it will be a serious issue. you are right. Hardware
> registration can be a barrier to this setup.

I have run setups like that for extended periods of time without a
single complaint.  The first time I've run into issues is actually now
at work, I suspect it's the OEM license key that is causing the
troubles.

In any case there is no harm in trying.  You'll only get the
non-genuine crap popping up in the VM, when booting into it directly
there'll be no complaints at all.  So try it, if you get away with it,
great.  If not, just dual boot instead.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                      OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 
email: magnus at therning.org   jabber: magnus at therning.org
twitter: magthe               http://therning.org/magnus

What gets measured, gets done.
     -- Tom Peters
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From arnaud.gaboury at gmail.com  Thu May 15 14:56:24 2014
From: arnaud.gaboury at gmail.com (arnaud gaboury)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 20:56:24 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] virtualize a w8 ntfs partition and run w8 inside
	Arch
In-Reply-To: <20140515181945.GA1578@tatooine.lan>
References: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEk1YH7Kh=rzd0L3kqUAWnVxX=JnP5oEcVqrohPrTeNRj2+88A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK1hC9vgUUm-5jKoNpYTcP3S2jmQDxCMhwwPY1GkYaYGzaA68g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140515181945.GA1578@tatooine.lan>
Message-ID: <CAK1hC9vuB2p5PEWf-M_Kh4rys-+Y3kbmKtZjMNZqDjMi_RrOWQ@mail.gmail.com>

> In any case there is no harm in trying.

I will of course try first, especially as the box is not for professional use.
I already installed w8 AFTER linux with NO issues at all using EFI. So
I am ready for the "dirty" virtualization.

From mailinglists at magnus-henriques.de  Thu May 15 14:58:54 2014
From: mailinglists at magnus-henriques.de (David Magnus Henriques)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 20:58:54 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] No usb keyboard in early userspace
In-Reply-To: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53750E6E.7050804@magnus-henriques.de>

On 05/15/2014 08:03 PM, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> With recent linux "3.14.4-1" I can no longer use the keyboard in early
> userspace, like providing the password for encrypted disk.
>
> I do have, and has had the keyboard hook on mkinitcpio.conf.
>
> I didn't have problems with any of the 3.13.* linux images, this is
> new after installation of 3.14.4.
>
> BTW, this is a laptop, and the laptop integrated keyboard fortunatelly
> is working.
>
> Anyone aware?
>
> Thanks,
>
Do you have the block hook on mkinitcpio.conf?
David

From j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com  Thu May 15 15:21:21 2014
From: j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com (Javier Vasquez)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 13:21:21 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] No usb keyboard in early userspace
In-Reply-To: <1400177469.31201.37.camel@wot>
References: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1400177469.31201.37.camel@wot>
Message-ID: <CALUrRGfX=upZpSk=JLwBX8mL__Q2KGzQyahenJs0PesBVAyFUQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Carl Schaefer <schaefer at trilug.org> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> I don't have an answer, just a data point - I'm still on 3.14.2, and on
> that version using a USB keyboard to access an encrypted root works.
> Carl

Yes it did for me too.  And 3.14.3 also worked...  For some reason I
wrote it wrong...  3.14.4 is the only one that has failed for me.

-- 
Javier.

From j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com  Thu May 15 15:22:26 2014
From: j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com (Javier Vasquez)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 13:22:26 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] No usb keyboard in early userspace
In-Reply-To: <53750E6E.7050804@magnus-henriques.de>
References: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53750E6E.7050804@magnus-henriques.de>
Message-ID: <CALUrRGeLg1KVgu1nd=+myQoHptEseMO_uxZB1SzPZMaGLEPyxA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:58 PM, David Magnus Henriques
<mailinglists at magnus-henriques.de> wrote:
> ...
> Do you have the block hook on mkinitcpio.conf?
> David

Yes I do.  My HOOKS line:

HOOKS="base udev autodetect modconf block encrypt lvm2 resume
filesystems keyboard fsck"

-- 
Javier.

From chetw at zuzax.com  Thu May 15 19:00:06 2014
From: chetw at zuzax.com (Chester Wisniewski)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:00:06 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] No usb keyboard in early userspace
In-Reply-To: <CALUrRGfX=upZpSk=JLwBX8mL__Q2KGzQyahenJs0PesBVAyFUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1400177469.31201.37.camel@wot>
 <CALUrRGfX=upZpSk=JLwBX8mL__Q2KGzQyahenJs0PesBVAyFUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <537546F6.5010107@zuzax.com>

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Hash: SHA1

I have had this issue with all 3.14 kernels on only one system. Asus
MB, H77 chipset, i5 CPU.

Chester

On 05/15/14 12:21, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Carl Schaefer
> <schaefer at trilug.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> I don't have an answer, just a data point - I'm still on 3.14.2,
>> and on that version using a USB keyboard to access an encrypted
>> root works. Carl
> 
> Yes it did for me too.  And 3.14.3 also worked...  For some reason
> I wrote it wrong...  3.14.4 is the only one that has failed for
> me.
> 
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From hugo at barrera.io  Fri May 16 07:40:58 2014
From: hugo at barrera.io (Hugo Osvaldo Barrera)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 08:40:58 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] Broken mirror
Message-ID: <20140516114058.GA9016@athena.barrera.io>

A few days ago, I set arch to use the three mirrors in Brazil (since
they're geographically closest to my country).

One of these seems to be broken completely: archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br.
Pacman just times out:

error: failed retrieving file 'testing.db' from archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br : Connection timed out after 10000 milliseconds
(and the same for all repositories)


I made sure it really was broken:

$ ping6 archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
PING archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br(sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br) 56 data bytes
<left this for a while>
^C
--- archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br ping statistics ---
79 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 78008ms

I didn't find who I should contact about it.

-- 
Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
A: No, it doesn't make sense.
Q: Should I include quotations *after* my reply?
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From mysatyre at gmail.com  Fri May 16 07:54:49 2014
From: mysatyre at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martti_K=C3=BChne?=)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:54:49 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Broken mirror
In-Reply-To: <20140516114058.GA9016@athena.barrera.io>
References: <20140516114058.GA9016@athena.barrera.io>
Message-ID: <CAONKL1BwkF=p-L1jca4XQaYj9+jb54zC-6qtGcT3m9mVcEyDLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera <hugo at barrera.io> wrote:
> $ ping6 archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br

Google reveals ufpr.br is the "UFPR - Universidade Federal do Paran?".
Their website isn't reachable, so your contact - from your friendly
WHOIS service that shall remain unnamed (they're all spectacularly
shady and broken, thoguh):


nic-hdl-br: PRRKR
person: PAULO ROBERTO ROCHA KR?GER
e-mail: kruger at ufpr.br
created: 20101026
changed: 20110315

...though that won't help, because probably with the connection their
mail server has likely gone down along. Somebody in that city is
having a bad day, I'm almost certain.

cheers!
mar77i

From guillaume at archlinux.org  Fri May 16 07:59:10 2014
From: guillaume at archlinux.org (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:59:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Broken mirror
In-Reply-To: <CAONKL1BwkF=p-L1jca4XQaYj9+jb54zC-6qtGcT3m9mVcEyDLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140516114058.GA9016@athena.barrera.io>
 <CAONKL1BwkF=p-L1jca4XQaYj9+jb54zC-6qtGcT3m9mVcEyDLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABAOfS9znSA-YebRtkP63UkuBAWh8Nzje677Xtctp8Ow7MoFLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 May 2014 13:54, Martti K?hne <mysatyre at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera <hugo at barrera.io> wrote:
>> $ ping6 archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
>
> Google reveals ufpr.br is the "UFPR - Universidade Federal do Paran?".
> Their website isn't reachable, so your contact - from your friendly
> WHOIS service that shall remain unnamed (they're all spectacularly
> shady and broken, thoguh):
>
>
> nic-hdl-br: PRRKR
> person: PAULO ROBERTO ROCHA KR?GER
> e-mail: kruger at ufpr.br
> created: 20101026
> changed: 20110315
>
> ...though that won't help, because probably with the connection their
> mail server has likely gone down along. Somebody in that city is
> having a bad day, I'm almost certain.
>
> cheers!
> mar77i

This mirror works, it is just not IPv6.

    % ping archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
    PING sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br (200.236.31.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br (200.236.31.1): icmp_seq=1
ttl=39 time=341 ms
    64 bytes from sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br (200.236.31.1): icmp_seq=2
ttl=39 time=346 ms
    ^C
    --- sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br ping statistics ---
    2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
    rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 341.659/344.322/346.985/2.663 ms

And downloading package from it works too.

https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/
https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/

From mysatyre at gmail.com  Fri May 16 08:03:52 2014
From: mysatyre at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martti_K=C3=BChne?=)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 14:03:52 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Broken mirror
In-Reply-To: <CABAOfS9znSA-YebRtkP63UkuBAWh8Nzje677Xtctp8Ow7MoFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140516114058.GA9016@athena.barrera.io>
 <CAONKL1BwkF=p-L1jca4XQaYj9+jb54zC-6qtGcT3m9mVcEyDLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABAOfS9znSA-YebRtkP63UkuBAWh8Nzje677Xtctp8Ow7MoFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAONKL1CtLE3-EaoNyj_zmFchh-RMwy+FqgHB+6GxC_FZb_gHog@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Guillaume ALAUX
<guillaume at archlinux.org> wrote:
>
> This mirror works, it is just not IPv6.
>
>     % ping archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
>     PING sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br (200.236.31.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
>     64 bytes from sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br (200.236.31.1): icmp_seq=1
> ttl=39 time=341 ms
>     64 bytes from sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br (200.236.31.1): icmp_seq=2
> ttl=39 time=346 ms
>     ^C
>     --- sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br ping statistics ---
>     2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
>     rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 341.659/344.322/346.985/2.663 ms
>
> And downloading package from it works too.
>
> https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/
> https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/

you must not be on a different internet.

$ ping ufpr.br
PING ufpr.br (200.17.203.23) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- ufpr.br ping statistics ---
74 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 72999ms
martti at marspiarch:  1 ~$ ping ufpr.br
PING ufpr.br (200.17.203.23) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- ufpr.br ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 8999ms
$ ping c3sl.ufpr.br
^C
$ ping archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
^C
$ ping archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
^C
$ ping 200.236.31.1
PING 200.236.31.1 (200.236.31.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- 200.236.31.1 ping statistics ---
31 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 29006ms

From mysatyre at gmail.com  Fri May 16 08:12:11 2014
From: mysatyre at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martti_K=C3=BChne?=)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 14:12:11 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Broken mirror
In-Reply-To: <CAONKL1CtLE3-EaoNyj_zmFchh-RMwy+FqgHB+6GxC_FZb_gHog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140516114058.GA9016@athena.barrera.io>
 <CAONKL1BwkF=p-L1jca4XQaYj9+jb54zC-6qtGcT3m9mVcEyDLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABAOfS9znSA-YebRtkP63UkuBAWh8Nzje677Xtctp8Ow7MoFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAONKL1CtLE3-EaoNyj_zmFchh-RMwy+FqgHB+6GxC_FZb_gHog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAONKL1DKf5=NDctBV_b5GoN=Mk=gCFJTDGNCghpTJ0VNgMtvYQ@mail.gmail.com>

make that "you must be on a different internet"

also let me provide some more complete output:

$ ping archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
ping: unknown host archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br
$ ping sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br
ping: unknown host sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br
$ ping 200.236.31.1
PING 200.236.31.1 (200.236.31.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- 200.236.31.1 ping statistics ---
14 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13008ms

cheers!
mar77i

From ber.t at posteo.de  Fri May 16 08:20:43 2014
From: ber.t at posteo.de (=?UTF-8?B?QmVydCBNw7xubmljaA==?=)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 14:20:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] No usb keyboard in early userspace
In-Reply-To: <CALUrRGeLg1KVgu1nd=+myQoHptEseMO_uxZB1SzPZMaGLEPyxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53750E6E.7050804@magnus-henriques.de>
 <CALUrRGeLg1KVgu1nd=+myQoHptEseMO_uxZB1SzPZMaGLEPyxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5376029B.7000808@posteo.de>

On 15.05.2014 21:22, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> My HOOKS line:
>
> HOOKS="base udev autodetect modconf block encrypt lvm2 resume
> filesystems keyboard fsck"

What about placing the keyboard hook before encrypt?


From j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com  Fri May 16 11:38:37 2014
From: j.e.vasquez.v at gmail.com (Javier Vasquez)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:38:37 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] No usb keyboard in early userspace
In-Reply-To: <5376029B.7000808@posteo.de>
References: <CALUrRGcb_wgX7-RVcs5_qZO+6trPtVg2P3VkYA0EjXyFji3UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53750E6E.7050804@magnus-henriques.de>
 <CALUrRGeLg1KVgu1nd=+myQoHptEseMO_uxZB1SzPZMaGLEPyxA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5376029B.7000808@posteo.de>
Message-ID: <CALUrRGfJTSFccQDfuO69dEEvSvY=9moRo=Fk8rseoB5QrVZfPQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Bert M?nnich <ber.t at posteo.de> wrote:
>
> What about placing the keyboard hook before encrypt?
>

You were right...  The order matters, :-)  Weird that it was working
all along till now...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier.

From ml at lalamuhkuh.de  Sat May 17 08:40:54 2014
From: ml at lalamuhkuh.de (Roland Tapken)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:40:54 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
Message-ID: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>

Hi,

I'm using arch for about half a year on a few systems, but every time I 
install something from aur I'm asking myself one question:

Why is it considered dangerous to run makepkg as root?

My first guess was that the PKGBUILD usually comes from an untrusted source and 
may contain code to attack my system (copy personal data or install a rootkit 
or something like that). But on the other hand, this file tells makepkg how to 
build the package that will be installed as root, so if the author of the 
PKGBUILD has bad purposes he will just put that code into the created package.

The second idea is that this advice should prevent the script from 
*accidentally* damage my system. But this could be prevented by using fakeroot 
(which is disabled when calling makepkg with --asroot according  to the 
manpage) or chroot. And actually the proper advice in this case should be to 
execute makepkg using a user dedicated for this, as for most arch users it 
would be worse if their personal file get deleted as if the system becomes 
unbootable.

Regards,

Roland
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From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sat May 17 08:49:49 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:49:49 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
Message-ID: <5c9dd9ba-38ee-45e8-8a77-311d4d3ec72e@email.android.com>



>The second idea is that this advice should prevent the script from 
>*accidentally* damage my system. But this could be prevented by using
>fakeroot 
>(which is disabled when calling makepkg with --asroot according  to the
>
>manpage) or chroot. And actually the proper advice in this case should
>be to 
>execute makepkg using a user dedicated for this, as for most arch users
>it 
>would be worse if their personal file get deleted as if the system
>becomes 
>unbootable.
I agree.
A good idea is to automatically change to a much more restricted user, used just for building (no shells, logins, etc.).
Chroot is too much of a hassle with, most of times, no point. You'll have to deal with dependent libs etc. etc. etc.
A good option here could be to hardlink/copy the files of the dependencies inside the chroot temporary in order to do the job.
But still, I think it's too much. You should check the scripts on your own...

From ushi+arch at honkgong.info  Sat May 17 09:02:38 2014
From: ushi+arch at honkgong.info (ushi)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:02:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
Message-ID: <53775DEE.1070203@honkgong.info>

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Am 17.05.2014 14:40, schrieb Roland Tapken:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using arch for about half a year on a few systems, but every
> time I install something from aur I'm asking myself one question:
> 
> Why is it considered dangerous to run makepkg as root?
> 
> My first guess was that the PKGBUILD usually comes from an
> untrusted source and may contain code to attack my system (copy
> personal data or install a rootkit or something like that). But on
> the other hand, this file tells makepkg how to build the package
> that will be installed as root, so if the author of the PKGBUILD
> has bad purposes he will just put that code into the created
> package.
> 
> The second idea is that this advice should prevent the script from
>  *accidentally* damage my system. But this could be prevented by
> using fakeroot (which is disabled when calling makepkg with
> --asroot according  to the manpage) or chroot. And actually the
> proper advice in this case should be to execute makepkg using a
> user dedicated for this, as for most arch users it would be worse
> if their personal file get deleted as if the system becomes 
> unbootable.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Roland
> 

Hey Roland,

there is a general security principle called "Principle of least
privilege", which roughly says, that one should give a
user/process/... only the minimum of privileges it neads to accomplish
its tasks.

makepkg does not need root privileges to build packages, so do not
give those to it. makepkg does a lot of crazy things - downloading
stuff, excuting scripts and complex programs (compilers, ...) - a
single bug in one of those can render your system unusable, when
executed as root.

I think your idea of a dedicated user is great and would implement the
principle mentioned above even better.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege

Cheers, ushi
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From karol.blazewicz at gmail.com  Sat May 17 09:37:05 2014
From: karol.blazewicz at gmail.com (Karol Blazewicz)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:37:05 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
Message-ID: <CAO0v=MM2JY6mAz9kw=5-fmiL0quN0dJTVuFnzi85+_bbCHi4gw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Roland Tapken <ml at lalamuhkuh.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using arch for about half a year on a few systems, but every time I
> install something from aur I'm asking myself one question:
>
> Why is it considered dangerous to run makepkg as root?
>
> My first guess was that the PKGBUILD usually comes from an untrusted source and
> may contain code to attack my system (copy personal data or install a rootkit
> or something like that). But on the other hand, this file tells makepkg how to
> build the package that will be installed as root, so if the author of the
> PKGBUILD has bad purposes he will just put that code into the created package.
>
> The second idea is that this advice should prevent the script from
> *accidentally* damage my system. But this could be prevented by using fakeroot
> (which is disabled when calling makepkg with --asroot according  to the
> manpage) or chroot. And actually the proper advice in this case should be to
> execute makepkg using a user dedicated for this, as for most arch users it
> would be worse if their personal file get deleted as if the system becomes
> unbootable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roland

'--asroot' option has recently been removed.
https://projects.archlinux.org/pacman.git/commit/?id=61ba5c961e4a3536c4bbf41edb348987a9993fdb

From lists at sapience.com  Sat May 17 10:16:36 2014
From: lists at sapience.com (Genes Lists)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 10:16:36 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [Draft] MariaDB 10.0 enters
	[extra]
In-Reply-To: <20140517144045.70776e20@wallander>
References: <20140517144045.70776e20@wallander>
Message-ID: <53776F44.80802@sapience.com>

On 05/17/2014 08:40 AM, Bart?omiej Piotrowski wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> New MariaDB is sitting in [testing] for a while now. It's temporarily

   This does trigger this warning in postfix's postmap program:

postmap: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.18: no version information available 
(required by postmap)

   Do you know if there is something I need to do on my end to make this 
go away?

   So far that's the only thing I've noticed in testing it.

thanks.

gene


From ml at lalamuhkuh.de  Sat May 17 10:22:32 2014
From: ml at lalamuhkuh.de (Roland Tapken)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 16:22:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5c9dd9ba-38ee-45e8-8a77-311d4d3ec72e@email.android.com>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
 <5c9dd9ba-38ee-45e8-8a77-311d4d3ec72e@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1574648.8mtDF2jIYv@dopy>

Hi,

> A good idea is to automatically change to a much more restricted user, used
> just for building (no shells, logins, etc.). 

What do you think about patching yaourt to that it, if executed as root, runs 
makepkg as a special user? Or changing makepkg to drop it's own privileges if 
executed as root?

Regards,

Roland
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From dzervas at dzervas.gr  Sat May 17 10:30:59 2014
From: dzervas at dzervas.gr (Dimitris Zervas)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 17:30:59 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <1574648.8mtDF2jIYv@dopy>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
 <5c9dd9ba-38ee-45e8-8a77-311d4d3ec72e@email.android.com>
 <1574648.8mtDF2jIYv@dopy>
Message-ID: <b6ba9bf2-6964-4616-a368-05a3463a9636@email.android.com>

On May 17, 2014 5:22:32 PM EEST, Roland Tapken <ml at lalamuhkuh.de> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>> A good idea is to automatically change to a much more restricted
>user, used
>> just for building (no shells, logins, etc.). 
>
>What do you think about patching yaourt to that it, if executed as
>root, runs 
>makepkg as a special user? Or changing makepkg to drop it's own
>privileges if 
>executed as root?
>
>Regards,
>
>Roland

Both.
Yaourt to ensure that you did not download anything via root (and have permission/security problems etc.)
Makepkg patch for those who do not use yaourt.
Makepkg HAS to create a special user on install, or use the nobody user.

I would really like to help patching, but my time is extremely limited (finals in 2 weeks).

Good luck! :)

BTW: Another good idea that would be helpful is add comments on installed packages on pacman. e.g. why did you install them. But that's another thread


From ml at lalamuhkuh.de  Sat May 17 10:51:23 2014
From: ml at lalamuhkuh.de (Roland Tapken)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 16:51:23 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
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Hi,

> I would really like to help patching, but my time is extremely limited
> (finals in 2 weeks).
> 
> Good luck! :)

I'll think I'll have a try, also my time is very limited, too :-)

Regards,

Roland
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From bigby.james at crepcran.com  Sat May 17 12:57:53 2014
From: bigby.james at crepcran.com (Bigby James)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 11:57:53 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <b6ba9bf2-6964-4616-a368-05a3463a9636@email.android.com>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
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On 05/17, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
> On May 17, 2014 5:22:32 PM EEST, Roland Tapken <ml at lalamuhkuh.de> wrote:
>
> BTW: Another good idea that would be helpful is add comments on installed packages on pacman. e.g. why did you install them. But that's another thread
> 

No offense, but if you need to ask yourself why you installed something *after*
you installed it you almost certainly never needed it in the first place, and if
you need the package manager to *tell you* why you installed it you're being
careless. If you're installing something just to try it out then do so, and if
you don't care for it then uninstall it right away. If you're wondering what use
you might have thought you had for that package some time after installing it,
the package description should give you some clue. What you're suggesting is
that someone write extra code for a feature that encourages carelessness and
laziness. It stands to reason that if an explicitly installed package is sitting
on your system and it isn't a dependency, and you can't recall putting it to
use, it can be removed.

--
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams


From 1007380 at gmail.com  Sat May 17 13:56:38 2014
From: 1007380 at gmail.com (William Giokas)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 12:56:38 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5c9dd9ba-38ee-45e8-8a77-311d4d3ec72e@email.android.com>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
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Message-ID: <20140517175638.GD546@wst420>

On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 03:49:49PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
> 
> 
> >The second idea is that this advice should prevent the script from 
> >*accidentally* damage my system. But this could be prevented by using fakeroot 
> >(which is disabled when calling makepkg with --asroot according  to the
> >
> >manpage) or chroot. And actually the proper advice in this case should be to 
> >execute makepkg using a user dedicated for this, as for most arch users it 
> >would be worse if their personal file get deleted as if the system becomes 
> >unbootable.
> I agree.
> A good idea is to automatically change to a much more restricted user, used just for building (no shells, logins, etc.).
> Chroot is too much of a hassle with, most of times, no point. You'll have to deal with dependent libs etc. etc. etc.
> A good option here could be to hardlink/copy the files of the dependencies inside the chroot temporary in order to do the job.
> But still, I think it's too much. You should check the scripts on your own...

There is already a package maintained by the Arch devs called
'devtools'? specifically for building packages in a chroot, among other
things.

?: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/devtools/

Thanks,
-- 
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From mrgreen at archbang.org  Sat May 17 14:17:56 2014
From: mrgreen at archbang.org (Mr Green)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:17:56 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] asroot
Message-ID: <CAB7Y-VPRHA3ix9cTH0T0zRhQMvy1O2BkV7xw87_1L8FWyhYBXg@mail.gmail.com>

'--asroot' option has recently been removed.
https://projects.archlinux.org/pacman.git/commit/?id=61ba5c961e4a3536c4bbf41edb348987a9993fdb

Need to check if arch-install-media runs as root, know of course you
could add user but it might make things a little difficult if you need
an aur application (such as broadcom-wl).

MrG

From ngoonee.talk at gmail.com  Sat May 17 14:44:46 2014
From: ngoonee.talk at gmail.com (Oon-Ee Ng)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 02:44:46 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <20140517165753.GA1021@crepcran.com>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
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On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Bigby James <bigby.james at crepcran.com> wrote:
> On 05/17, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
>> On May 17, 2014 5:22:32 PM EEST, Roland Tapken <ml at lalamuhkuh.de> wrote:
>>
>> BTW: Another good idea that would be helpful is add comments on installed packages on pacman. e.g. why did you install them. But that's another thread
>>
>
> No offense, but if you need to ask yourself why you installed something *after*
> you installed it you almost certainly never needed it in the first place, and if
> you need the package manager to *tell you* why you installed it you're being
> careless. If you're installing something just to try it out then do so, and if
> you don't care for it then uninstall it right away. If you're wondering what use
> you might have thought you had for that package some time after installing it,
> the package description should give you some clue. What you're suggesting is
> that someone write extra code for a feature that encourages carelessness and
> laziness. It stands to reason that if an explicitly installed package is sitting
> on your system and it isn't a dependency, and you can't recall putting it to
> use, it can be removed.

makedeps of AUR packages, for one. Or optdeps.

From spam at scientician.net  Sat May 17 15:12:41 2014
From: spam at scientician.net (Bardur Arantsson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 21:12:41 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
Message-ID: <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>

On 2014-05-17 14:40, Roland Tapken wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using arch for about half a year on a few systems, but every time I 
> install something from aur I'm asking myself one question:
> 
> Why is it considered dangerous to run makepkg as root?
> 
> My first guess was that the PKGBUILD usually comes from an untrusted source and 
> may contain code to attack my system (copy personal data or install a rootkit 
> or something like that). But on the other hand, this file tells makepkg how to 
> build the package that will be installed as root, so if the author of the 
> PKGBUILD has bad purposes he will just put that code into the created package.
> 

Maybe I've missed something reading through this thread, but *assuming*
(yeah, I know) that packages can't run arbitrary scripts at install time
(which I think is a valid assumption for pacman), there is a slight
theoretical advantage to the current behavior in that if you never run
$NEW_PACKAGE *as root* then your system cannot be compromised quite as
extensively as if you had run PKGBUILD as root (which would allow
completely arbitrary commands as root, either through a malicious
PKGBUILD or other attack channels such as an exploitable gcc, etc.).

Of course an attacker can still (via the build executables) delete all
the files you actually care about ($HOME) or install trojans into your
$HOME/bin (etc.), but still... If you discover such a comprosmise you'd
"only" have to delete your $HOME and restore from backup[0], whereas a
root compromise would require a full reinstall of everything.

Regards,

/b

[0] Actually, there have been quite a few "local user -> root" exploits
of the Linux kernel, so really you should wipe everything and reinstall
from scratch anyway. Remember, I'm only speaking theoretically in the above.


From ml at lalamuhkuh.de  Sat May 17 15:50:32 2014
From: ml at lalamuhkuh.de (Roland Tapken)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 21:50:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy> <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <2118344.NxIYhamxxI@dopy>

Hi Bardur,

> Maybe I've missed something reading through this thread, but *assuming*
> (yeah, I know) that packages can't run arbitrary scripts at install time
> (which I think is a valid assumption for pacman),

Is this so? I don't know since I've only scratched the surface of arch until 
now. But I'm not quite sure about this, since, for example, there must be a 
way to add new users like http after installing apache. How should this be 
done without a post-install-script?

> Of course an attacker can still (via the build executables) delete all
> the files you actually care about ($HOME) or install trojans into your
> $HOME/bin (etc.), but still... If you discover such a comprosmise you'd
> "only" have to delete your $HOME and restore from backup[0], whereas a
> root compromise would require a full reinstall of everything.

Even if your assumption about pacman is correct: Just let the malicious 
PKGBUILD write a file into /etc/cron.d/, /etc/systemd or something like that 
and you're doomed. No need for privilege escalation.

Regards,

Roland
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From spam at scientician.net  Sat May 17 16:08:13 2014
From: spam at scientician.net (Bardur Arantsson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 22:08:13 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <2118344.NxIYhamxxI@dopy>
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On 2014-05-17 21:50, Roland Tapken wrote:
> Hi Bardur,
> 
>> Maybe I've missed something reading through this thread, but *assuming*
>> (yeah, I know) that packages can't run arbitrary scripts at install time
>> (which I think is a valid assumption for pacman),
> 
> Is this so? I don't know since I've only scratched the surface of arch until 
> now. But I'm not quite sure about this, since, for example, there must be a 
> way to add new users like http after installing apache. How should this be 
> done without a post-install-script?

I always thought that "this package needs users X,Y and Z" was handled
via some metadata in the package description, not via scripts per se.
Maybe I'm wrong on that too.

> 
>> Of course an attacker can still (via the build executables) delete all
>> the files you actually care about ($HOME) or install trojans into your
>> $HOME/bin (etc.), but still... If you discover such a comprosmise you'd
>> "only" have to delete your $HOME and restore from backup[0], whereas a
>> root compromise would require a full reinstall of everything.
> 
> Even if your assumption about pacman is correct: Just let the malicious 
> PKGBUILD write a file into /etc/cron.d/, /etc/systemd or something like that 
> and you're doomed. No need for privilege escalation.
> 

Ah, yes. True, of course. I knew I'd missed something! :)

Regards,



From spam at scientician.net  Sat May 17 16:49:10 2014
From: spam at scientician.net (Bardur Arantsson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 22:49:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <ll8fjd$aph$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy> <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <ll8i07$80e$1@ger.gmane.org>

On 2014-05-17 22:08, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 2014-05-17 21:50, Roland Tapken wrote:
>> Hi Bardur,
>>
>> Even if your assumption about pacman is correct: Just let the malicious 
>> PKGBUILD write a file into /etc/cron.d/, /etc/systemd or something like that 
>> and you're doomed. No need for privilege escalation.
>>
> 
> Ah, yes. True, of course. I knew I'd missed something! :)
> 

Hm. Rethinking this I was going to say something about listing (and
screening) all the files that a package *would* install, but it seems
that it's not possible to list files installed by a package before
installing it...?

(pacman -Ql only accepts installed packages, apparently.)

Regards,


From ushi+arch at honkgong.info  Sat May 17 16:55:35 2014
From: ushi+arch at honkgong.info (ushi)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 22:55:35 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <ll8fjd$aph$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy> <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Am 17.05.2014 22:08, schrieb Bardur Arantsson:
> On 2014-05-17 21:50, Roland Tapken wrote:
>> Hi Bardur,
>>
>>> Maybe I've missed something reading through this thread, but *assuming*
>>> (yeah, I know) that packages can't run arbitrary scripts at install time
>>> (which I think is a valid assumption for pacman),
>>
>> Is this so? I don't know since I've only scratched the surface of arch until 
>> now. But I'm not quite sure about this, since, for example, there must be a 
>> way to add new users like http after installing apache. How should this be 
>> done without a post-install-script?
> 
> I always thought that "this package needs users X,Y and Z" was handled
> via some metadata in the package description, not via scripts per se.
> Maybe I'm wrong on that too.

Such things are handled via install scripts[0], called by pacman when
(un)installing/upgrading packages... and yes, packagers can put
arbitrary code in there. (postfix exmaple[1])

>>
>>> Of course an attacker can still (via the build executables) delete all
>>> the files you actually care about ($HOME) or install trojans into your
>>> $HOME/bin (etc.), but still... If you discover such a comprosmise you'd
>>> "only" have to delete your $HOME and restore from backup[0], whereas a
>>> root compromise would require a full reinstall of everything.
>>
>> Even if your assumption about pacman is correct: Just let the malicious 
>> PKGBUILD write a file into /etc/cron.d/, /etc/systemd or something like that 
>> and you're doomed. No need for privilege escalation.
>>
> 
> Ah, yes. True, of course. I knew I'd missed something! :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 

[0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PKGBUILD#install
[1]
https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/install?h=packages/postfix

Cheers

From lngndvs at gmail.com  Sat May 17 17:24:00 2014
From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:24:00 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
 aWindows8 UEFI laptop
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Following up on installing Archlinux

Preface to the Appendix of this thread, with thanks and deference to those
who have helped so far: I am definitely not up to speed on the nuts and
bolts of GNU/Linux, I am a user, needing to get this tool working.  That
being said, I have Archlinux working now, but not truly dual bootable, in
the usual sense.

In particular, the BIOS settings are several, and their meaning unclear to
me.  I did change the secure boot setting, back to Off.  This led to a
cacade of other changes, so I am not even certan what to report.  Most of
the steps that were so kindly outlined and restated by my friends on this
list didn't mean much to me, so I blundered through it all.  Installed
Archlinux, with the UEFI / EFI partition mounted on /mnt/boot/efi.  Many
other files were visible there.   I didn't make sense of the instllation of
gummiboot, because I was not using a separate /boot partition, I think, so
the instllation of gummiboot failed.  I used GRUB.   Installed some
ancillary files, mentioned as optional.  I did some other things as well.

When I rebooted, ARchlinux was not listed in the GRUB menu.

I changed the BIOS settings, dealing with secure boot and UEFI vs BIOS
(which I set to both, with EUFI prioritized).   Rebooted.

Now I only see Archlinux.

What I hope is that thi will continue to work, as is.  Later on, when I
feel brave, I will go through the BIOS settings again, and see of the other
systems, inlcuding Windows 8, come up.  For now,. this is all I need.

Thank you,

Alan Davis

  p


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

>
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> On 05/07/2014 05:16 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >   I would like to sign off with a little information about how this has
> > gone.
> >
> > I had used the "F12" boot options method once.  Subsequently, the
>  Windows
> > Boot Loader appeared on the GRUB menu.  I have since then installed
> Fedora
> > 20, and it went very well.
> >
> > I now see that if once specifies "UEFI" as the boot method in the
> BIOS, and
> > not Legacy or Both, these linux distros look for the EFI partition (or
> > whatever that is called), and if one specifies it to be mounted wihtout
> > formating in the parititioning scheme, all goes well.
> >
> > Thank everyone for the help.  Now the machine boots right into GRUB.
> >
> > Alan Davis
> To Alan,
>
> That's excellent. But, the point of UEFI is not to use any boot managers
> like GRUB. A proper UEFI install should be able to boot directly off the
> firmware. On a very high level, UEFI internalizes boot loaders like GRUB
> so instead of chainloading with a boot loader, one boots directly into a
> UEFI program (windows, linux, mac os, etc...) I am glad to hear that
> your machine setup is working though.
>
> Might I add, if you are truly booting into UEFI mode with Linux (could
> be Ubuntu or Arch), you could probably apply the procedures in the Arch
> Wiki to boot Arch Linux without a boot loader
> <
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFISTUB#Directly.2C_without_boot_manager
> >
>
> Regards,
> Mark
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From spam at scientician.net  Sat May 17 17:42:11 2014
From: spam at scientician.net (Bardur Arantsson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 23:42:11 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5377CCC7.1030508@honkgong.info>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy> <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <ll8l3k$eer$1@ger.gmane.org>

On 2014-05-17 22:55, ushi wrote:
> Am 17.05.2014 22:08, schrieb Bardur Arantsson:
>> On 2014-05-17 21:50, Roland Tapken wrote:
>>> Hi Bardur,
>>>
>>>> Maybe I've missed something reading through this thread, but *assuming*
>>>> (yeah, I know) that packages can't run arbitrary scripts at install time
>>>> (which I think is a valid assumption for pacman),
>>>
>>> Is this so? I don't know since I've only scratched the surface of arch until 
>>> now. But I'm not quite sure about this, since, for example, there must be a 
>>> way to add new users like http after installing apache. How should this be 
>>> done without a post-install-script?
>>
>> I always thought that "this package needs users X,Y and Z" was handled
>> via some metadata in the package description, not via scripts per se.
>> Maybe I'm wrong on that too.
> 
> Such things are handled via install scripts[0], called by pacman when
> (un)installing/upgrading packages... and yes, packagers can put
> arbitrary code in there. (postfix exmaple[1])
> 

I see. Good to know.

The premise for my whole hypothetical was thus dismissed and I hang my
head in shame ;).

Regards,



From celticmadman at gmail.com  Sat May 17 18:17:06 2014
From: celticmadman at gmail.com (Patrick Burroughs (Celti))
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:17:06 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
Message-ID: <CA+vY_R5NR5KeXs5-Rg2iHxOt4eU7xn-YQ11Kf=i=f36ktsU7Tw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Roland Tapken <ml at lalamuhkuh.de> wrote:
> My first guess was that the PKGBUILD usually comes from an untrusted source and
> may contain code to attack my system (copy personal data or install a rootkit
> or something like that).

I think that the point isn't that you're not supposed to run makepkg
as root to protect against *malicious* packages, but rather to protect
aganst *badly written* ones. There are of course many ways that a
malicious package could get around that to hose your system, but a
simple badly written package that spews files directly into /usr
instead of into $pkgdir is easily thwarted by not having the
permissions necessary to do so.

Regards,
~Celti

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Sun May 18 01:19:33 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 01:19:33 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy> <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <537842E5.9050905@gmail.com>

On 17/05/14 03:12 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 2014-05-17 14:40, Roland Tapken wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using arch for about half a year on a few systems, but every time I 
>> install something from aur I'm asking myself one question:
>>
>> Why is it considered dangerous to run makepkg as root?
>>
>> My first guess was that the PKGBUILD usually comes from an untrusted source and 
>> may contain code to attack my system (copy personal data or install a rootkit 
>> or something like that). But on the other hand, this file tells makepkg how to 
>> build the package that will be installed as root, so if the author of the 
>> PKGBUILD has bad purposes he will just put that code into the created package.
>>
> 
> Maybe I've missed something reading through this thread, but *assuming*
> (yeah, I know) that packages can't run arbitrary scripts at install time
> (which I think is a valid assumption for pacman), there is a slight
> theoretical advantage to the current behavior in that if you never run
> $NEW_PACKAGE *as root* then your system cannot be compromised quite as
> extensively as if you had run PKGBUILD as root (which would allow
> completely arbitrary commands as root, either through a malicious
> PKGBUILD or other attack channels such as an exploitable gcc, etc.).

Packages can and do run arbitrary code via the install script. This is
used to do everything from adding new users / groups to regenerating
caches / databases.

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From m13253 at hotmail.com  Sun May 18 01:32:15 2014
From: m13253 at hotmail.com (BlissSam)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 13:32:15 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
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? 2014-5-18?4:49?Bardur Arantsson <spam at scientician.net> ???

> Hm. Rethinking this I was going to say something about listing (and
> screening) all the files that a package *would* install, but it seems
> that it's not possible to list files installed by a package before
> installing it...?
> 
> (pacman -Ql only accepts installed packages, apparently.)
> 
> Regards,

It is possible, try:

tar tvf foo.pkg.tar.xz

-- 
Regards,
StarBrilliant

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Sun May 18 01:36:37 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 00:36:37 -0500
Subject: [arch-general]
	=?utf-8?q?Why_is_it_dangerous_to_run_makepkg_as_ro?=
	=?utf-8?b?b3Q/?=
In-Reply-To: <ll8i07$80e$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy> <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <8a6d0c9b9d3c8effe254c8666d7be9bb@archlinux.info>

On 2014-05-17 15:49, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 2014-05-17 22:08, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
>> On 2014-05-17 21:50, Roland Tapken wrote:
>>> Hi Bardur,
>>> 
>>> Even if your assumption about pacman is correct: Just let the 
>>> malicious
>>> PKGBUILD write a file into /etc/cron.d/, /etc/systemd or something 
>>> like that
>>> and you're doomed. No need for privilege escalation.
>>> 
>> 
>> Ah, yes. True, of course. I knew I'd missed something! :)
>> 
> 
> Hm. Rethinking this I was going to say something about listing (and
> screening) all the files that a package *would* install, but it seems
> that it's not possible to list files installed by a package before
> installing it...?
> 
> (pacman -Ql only accepts installed packages, apparently.)
> 
> Regards,

Use the -p option, ie pacman -Qlp <packagefile>

From ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz  Mon May 19 04:53:53 2014
From: ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?T25kxZllaiBLdcSNZXJh?=)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:53:53 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-journald taking too much memory
Message-ID: <5379C6A1.1060001@centrum.cz>

Hello,

from time to time, Thunderbird crashes on my computer. It doesn't happen 
all that often and so far I haven't lost any data, so this actually 
doesn't bother me that much.

But, when it happens, suddenly the process systemd-journald starts 
allocating more and more memory (this last time it went up to 1.3 GB), 
which makes the computer start swapping and for a few minutes it becomes 
quite unusable. I have no idea what journald is trying to log at that 
moment. This is what I found in the journal afterwards (also notice that 
last lines are out of order):

May 19 10:24:18 rory systemd-journal[7906]: Permanent journal is using 
28.0M (max allowed 15.0M, trying to leave 4.0G free of 131.5G available 
? current limit 28.0M).
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service stop-sigterm 
timed out. Killing.
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service: main process 
exited, code=killed, status=9/KILL
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Unit systemd-journald.service entered 
failed state.
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service has no holdoff 
time, scheduling restart.
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Stopping Journal Service...
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Started Journal Service.
May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd-journal[7906]: Journal started
May 19 10:22:31 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service watchdog timeout!
May 19 10:24:05 rory systemd[1]: Starting Trigger Flushing of Journal to 
Persistent Storage...
May 19 10:24:08 rory systemd[1]: Started Trigger Flushing of Journal to 
Persistent Storage.

Is there a journald setting I could use to prevent this huge memory 
allocation?

Ond?ej


-- 
Greetings,
Ond?ej Ku?era

From danielmicay at gmail.com  Mon May 19 04:58:27 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 04:58:27 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-journald taking too much memory
In-Reply-To: <5379C6A1.1060001@centrum.cz>
References: <5379C6A1.1060001@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <5379C7B3.8090207@gmail.com>

On 19/05/14 04:53 AM, Ond?ej Ku?era wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> from time to time, Thunderbird crashes on my computer. It doesn't happen
> all that often and so far I haven't lost any data, so this actually
> doesn't bother me that much.
> 
> But, when it happens, suddenly the process systemd-journald starts
> allocating more and more memory (this last time it went up to 1.3 GB),
> which makes the computer start swapping and for a few minutes it becomes
> quite unusable. I have no idea what journald is trying to log at that
> moment. This is what I found in the journal afterwards (also notice that
> last lines are out of order):
> 
> May 19 10:24:18 rory systemd-journal[7906]: Permanent journal is using
> 28.0M (max allowed 15.0M, trying to leave 4.0G free of 131.5G available
> ? current limit 28.0M).
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service stop-sigterm
> timed out. Killing.
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service: main process
> exited, code=killed, status=9/KILL
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Unit systemd-journald.service entered
> failed state.
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service has no holdoff
> time, scheduling restart.
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Stopping Journal Service...
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Started Journal Service.
> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd-journal[7906]: Journal started
> May 19 10:22:31 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service watchdog timeout!
> May 19 10:24:05 rory systemd[1]: Starting Trigger Flushing of Journal to
> Persistent Storage...
> May 19 10:24:08 rory systemd[1]: Started Trigger Flushing of Journal to
> Persistent Storage.
> 
> Is there a journald setting I could use to prevent this huge memory
> allocation?
> 
> Ond?ej

It's from logging the core dump:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Disabling_application_crash_dumps_journaling

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From ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz  Mon May 19 05:05:38 2014
From: ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?T25kxZllaiBLdcSNZXJh?=)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 11:05:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-journald taking too much memory
In-Reply-To: <5379C7B3.8090207@gmail.com>
References: <5379C6A1.1060001@centrum.cz> <5379C7B3.8090207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5379C962.8080909@centrum.cz>

Hi,

On 19.5.2014 10:58, Daniel Micay wrote:
> On 19/05/14 04:53 AM, Ond?ej Ku?era wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> from time to time, Thunderbird crashes on my computer. It doesn't happen
>> all that often and so far I haven't lost any data, so this actually
>> doesn't bother me that much.
>>
>> But, when it happens, suddenly the process systemd-journald starts
>> allocating more and more memory (this last time it went up to 1.3 GB),
>> which makes the computer start swapping and for a few minutes it becomes
>> quite unusable. I have no idea what journald is trying to log at that
>> moment. This is what I found in the journal afterwards (also notice that
>> last lines are out of order):
>>
>> May 19 10:24:18 rory systemd-journal[7906]: Permanent journal is using
>> 28.0M (max allowed 15.0M, trying to leave 4.0G free of 131.5G available
>> ? current limit 28.0M).
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service stop-sigterm
>> timed out. Killing.
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service: main process
>> exited, code=killed, status=9/KILL
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Unit systemd-journald.service entered
>> failed state.
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service has no holdoff
>> time, scheduling restart.
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Stopping Journal Service...
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Starting Journal Service...
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd[1]: Started Journal Service.
>> May 19 10:24:19 rory systemd-journal[7906]: Journal started
>> May 19 10:22:31 rory systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service watchdog timeout!
>> May 19 10:24:05 rory systemd[1]: Starting Trigger Flushing of Journal to
>> Persistent Storage...
>> May 19 10:24:08 rory systemd[1]: Started Trigger Flushing of Journal to
>> Persistent Storage.
>>
>> Is there a journald setting I could use to prevent this huge memory
>> allocation?
>>
>> Ond?ej
>
> It's from logging the core dump:
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Disabling_application_crash_dumps_journaling

Thanks, I thought it might be something like this but somehow I missed 
this part in the wiki.

Ond?ej


-- 
Greetings,
Ond?ej Ku?era

From bigby.james at crepcran.com  Mon May 19 14:55:53 2014
From: bigby.james at crepcran.com (Bigby James)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 13:55:53 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <CAGQ70ev8Rn1=QYd=6p7wFn12XS1hKhT1a9pH+djDF9u2o-2edg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
 <5c9dd9ba-38ee-45e8-8a77-311d4d3ec72e@email.android.com>
 <1574648.8mtDF2jIYv@dopy>
 <b6ba9bf2-6964-4616-a368-05a3463a9636@email.android.com>
 <20140517165753.GA1021@crepcran.com>
 <CAGQ70ev8Rn1=QYd=6p7wFn12XS1hKhT1a9pH+djDF9u2o-2edg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140519185553.GB6307@crepcran.com>

On 05/18, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Bigby James <bigby.james at crepcran.com> wrote:
> > On 05/17, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
> >> On May 17, 2014 5:22:32 PM EEST, Roland Tapken <ml at lalamuhkuh.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> BTW: Another good idea that would be helpful is add comments on installed packages on pacman. e.g. why did you install them. But that's another thread
> >>
> >
> > No offense, but if you need to ask yourself why you installed something *after*
> > you installed it you almost certainly never needed it in the first place, and if
> > you need the package manager to *tell you* why you installed it you're being
> > careless. If you're installing something just to try it out then do so, and if
> > you don't care for it then uninstall it right away. If you're wondering what use
> > you might have thought you had for that package some time after installing it,
> > the package description should give you some clue. What you're suggesting is
> > that someone write extra code for a feature that encourages carelessness and
> > laziness. It stands to reason that if an explicitly installed package is sitting
> > on your system and it isn't a dependency, and you can't recall putting it to
> > use, it can be removed.
> 
> makedeps of AUR packages, for one. Or optdeps.

If one builds packages using makepkg (and not something entirely automated) then
one would install dependencies sequentially using --asdeps.  makedeps that
aren't needed by the installed package after compilation can be removed
immediately after the desired AUR package is installed using 'sudo pacman -Rncs
$(pacman -Qdtq).' I've had that set to an alias for years now. ;) When removing
a package it's a good idea to use 'pacman -Rncs' or 'pacman -Rncu' (depending on
the situation) to completely remove every trace of it, avoiding leaving orphaned
packages and files on the system. Pacman is able to remove optional
dependiencies along with the package that optionally uses it, provided the
optdepend isn't needed for another explicitly installed package. And the
description of any package should clue you in as to what purpose it serves on
your system; if it doesn't, then perhaps a change of habit is called for.

Basically, the functionality to determine what's on your system and why is
already built into pacman; it just requires reading the manpage and figuring out
which flags to chain together. Adding a new feature to allow people to make
notes on *why* they installed something provides one with an incentive to simply
install things on the system without regard, figuring they can just be cleaned
up later, and that feature's effectiveness depends entirely on the user writing
meaningful notes---and if one is able to think up and write meaningful notes at
install time, one is probably already situationally aware and self-aware enough
to know and remember why a package was installed. It's like collecting things
with the intention of taking them home and sticking them in the closet, only to
ask yourself a year later what all the crap in the closet is doing there. You
can write and attach notes to all those things, but that amounts to more time
spent reading notes later, and plays into the habit of impulsively collecting
worthless crap.

-- 
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams


From mysatyre at gmail.com  Mon May 19 15:01:47 2014
From: mysatyre at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martti_K=C3=BChne?=)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 21:01:47 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <20140519185553.GB6307@crepcran.com>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy>
 <5c9dd9ba-38ee-45e8-8a77-311d4d3ec72e@email.android.com>
 <1574648.8mtDF2jIYv@dopy>
 <b6ba9bf2-6964-4616-a368-05a3463a9636@email.android.com>
 <20140517165753.GA1021@crepcran.com>
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 <20140519185553.GB6307@crepcran.com>
Message-ID: <CAONKL1BjgPDDV5tpCyoZg=zG87LeCxkKoEo1ELoRvN5gt-CHog@mail.gmail.com>

May I remind everyone that makepkg is a bash script.

Some might argue it's bloated and too long, while others might counter
that the discussion is going on way too long already and forking a
bash script for personal use would generally be an option.

I'd be glad if the devs kept things "generally" working. Thank you.

cheers!
mar77i

From bigby.james at crepcran.com  Mon May 19 15:23:48 2014
From: bigby.james at crepcran.com (Bigby James)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 14:23:48 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Why is it dangerous to run makepkg as root?
In-Reply-To: <ll8i07$80e$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <5837713.eN2q5Bx7KR@dopy> <ll8cb9$36v$1@ger.gmane.org>
 <2118344.NxIYhamxxI@dopy> <ll8fjd$aph$1@ger.gmane.org>
 <ll8i07$80e$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20140519192348.GC6307@crepcran.com>

On 05/17, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 2014-05-17 22:08, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
>
> Hm. Rethinking this I was going to say something about listing (and
> screening) all the files that a package *would* install, but it seems
> that it's not possible to list files installed by a package before
> installing it...?
> 
> (pacman -Ql only accepts installed packages, apparently.)

'makepkg -o' downloads and unpacks the sources without building or installing
them.

-- 
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams


From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 07:18:56 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 20:18:56 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
Message-ID: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>

After updating to qt 5.3 in [testing], I found that cantata does not start
up. Upon running from the terminal, I get the error:

$ cantata

This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt
platform plugin "xcb".

Available platform plugins are: eglfs, kms, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl,
offscreen, xcb.

Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.

However, reinstalling did not fix the problem. Downgrading qt to the
version 5.2.1 in [extra] did. I believe that recompiling "cantata" with qt
5.3 might be required?

Thanks!

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From nqn1976list at gmail.com  Tue May 20 08:18:43 2014
From: nqn1976list at gmail.com (A Rojas)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 14:18:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
References: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <llfh73$tc7$1@ger.gmane.org>

Savyasachee Jha wrote:

> After updating to qt 5.3 in [testing], I found that cantata does not start
> up. Upon running from the terminal, I get the error:
> 
> $ cantata
> 
> This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt
> platform plugin "xcb".
> 
> Available platform plugins are: eglfs, kms, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl,
> offscreen, xcb.
> 
> Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.
> 
> However, reinstalling did not fix the problem. Downgrading qt to the
> version 5.2.1 in [extra] did. I believe that recompiling "cantata" with qt
> 5.3 might be required?
> 
> Thanks!
> 

Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5 
optdepends?


From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 08:38:24 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 21:38:24 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <llfh73$tc7$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <llfh73$tc7$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAGHKYHr7aesK1o=67-phwBsZj7G_5POLhiej1mLgzRwa0JZ+Jw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:18 PM, A Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> wrote:

> Savyasachee Jha wrote:
>
> > After updating to qt 5.3 in [testing], I found that cantata does not
> start
> > up. Upon running from the terminal, I get the error:
> >
> > $ cantata
> >
> > This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt
> > platform plugin "xcb".
> >
> > Available platform plugins are: eglfs, kms, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl,
> > offscreen, xcb.
> >
> > Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.
> >
> > However, reinstalling did not fix the problem. Downgrading qt to the
> > version 5.2.1 in [extra] did. I believe that recompiling "cantata" with
> qt
> > 5.3 might be required?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5
> optdepends?
>
>
There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it depends
on.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From nqn1976list at gmail.com  Tue May 20 08:55:16 2014
From: nqn1976list at gmail.com (A Rojas)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 14:55:16 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
References: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <llfh73$tc7$1@ger.gmane.org>
 <CAGHKYHr7aesK1o=67-phwBsZj7G_5POLhiej1mLgzRwa0JZ+Jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <llfjbl$me0$1@ger.gmane.org>

Savyasachee Jha wrote:


>>
>> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5
>> optdepends?
>>
>>
> There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it depends
> on.
> 

Are you sure about that?

New optional dependencies for qt5-base
    gtk2: GTK2 plugin [installed]
    libsm: xcb plugin [installed]
    libxkbcommon-x11: xcb plugin
    mtdev: evdev plugin [installed]


From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 09:00:53 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 22:00:53 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <llfjbl$me0$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <llfh73$tc7$1@ger.gmane.org>
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On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, A Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> wrote:

> Savyasachee Jha wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5
> >> optdepends?
> >>
> >>
> > There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it depends
> > on.
> >
>
> Are you sure about that?
>
> New optional dependencies for qt5-base
>     gtk2: GTK2 plugin [installed]
>     libsm: xcb plugin [installed]
>     libxkbcommon-x11: xcb plugin
>     mtdev: evdev plugin [installed]
>
>
I did not have libxkbcommon-x11 installed. And quite strangely, when I
upgraded, I did not get the "new optional deps" thing. However, when I just
downgraded and upgraded again, it appeared. I guess I caught the mirror at
an inappropriate time. :)

Thank you!

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 09:02:27 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 22:02:27 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGHKYHrwWZzfeBgfVnmpQCgTL9uD5N+nwVbM4XiivX+PoB7AHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Savyasachee Jha <savya.jha91 at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, A Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Savyasachee Jha wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5
>> >> optdepends?
>> >>
>> >>
>> > There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it
>> depends
>> > on.
>> >
>>
>> Are you sure about that?
>>
>> New optional dependencies for qt5-base
>>     gtk2: GTK2 plugin [installed]
>>     libsm: xcb plugin [installed]
>>     libxkbcommon-x11: xcb plugin
>>     mtdev: evdev plugin [installed]
>>
>>
> I did not have libxkbcommon-x11 installed. And quite strangely, when I
> upgraded, I did not get the "new optional deps" thing. However, when I just
> downgraded and upgraded again, it appeared. I guess I caught the mirror at
> an inappropriate time. :)
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> Savyasachee Jha
>
> *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
>

I should add that libxkbcommon-x11 should be added as a dep to cantata, for
it does not run without it.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From lordheavym at gmail.com  Tue May 20 10:56:37 2014
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:56:37 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] moving warmux to unsupported
Message-ID: <2169720.4IbCrevSyn@archmain>

I will move warmux to AUR; it doesn't build anymore and is dead upstream

Package pushed to AUR will be monolithic: warmux-data won't exist anymore.

-- 
Laurent Carlier
ArchLinux Developer
http://www.archlinux.org
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From jelle at vdwaa.nl  Tue May 20 12:15:30 2014
From: jelle at vdwaa.nl (Jelle van der Waa)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 18:15:30 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
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Please create a bugreport, i will fix it then asap.
 On 20 May 2014 15:02, "Savyasachee Jha" <savya.jha91 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Savyasachee Jha <savya.jha91 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, A Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Savyasachee Jha wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5
> >> >> optdepends?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it
> >> depends
> >> > on.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Are you sure about that?
> >>
> >> New optional dependencies for qt5-base
> >>     gtk2: GTK2 plugin [installed]
> >>     libsm: xcb plugin [installed]
> >>     libxkbcommon-x11: xcb plugin
> >>     mtdev: evdev plugin [installed]
> >>
> >>
> > I did not have libxkbcommon-x11 installed. And quite strangely, when I
> > upgraded, I did not get the "new optional deps" thing. However, when I
> just
> > downgraded and upgraded again, it appeared. I guess I caught the mirror
> at
> > an inappropriate time. :)
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > --
> > Savyasachee Jha
> >
> > *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
> >
>
> I should add that libxkbcommon-x11 should be added as a dep to cantata, for
> it does not run without it.
>
> --
> Savyasachee Jha
>
> *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
>

From jelle at vdwaa.nl  Tue May 20 14:25:20 2014
From: jelle at vdwaa.nl (Jelle van der Waa)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 20:25:20 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGHKYHrt2iBDtJJJd4F+gEQ-7K+3w6LnykVegpbz=TBk+Otnfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20140520182517.GA13543@gmail.com>

On 05/20/14 at 10:02pm, Savyasachee Jha wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Savyasachee Jha <savya.jha91 at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, A Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Savyasachee Jha wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5
> >> >> optdepends?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it
> >> depends
> >> > on.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Are you sure about that?
> >>
> >> New optional dependencies for qt5-base
> >>     gtk2: GTK2 plugin [installed]
> >>     libsm: xcb plugin [installed]
> >>     libxkbcommon-x11: xcb plugin
> >>     mtdev: evdev plugin [installed]
> >>
> >>
> > I did not have libxkbcommon-x11 installed. And quite strangely, when I
> > upgraded, I did not get the "new optional deps" thing. However, when I just
> > downgraded and upgraded again, it appeared. I guess I caught the mirror at
> > an inappropriate time. :)
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > --
> > Savyasachee Jha
> >
> > *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
> >
> 
> I should add that libxkbcommon-x11 should be added as a dep to cantata, for
> it does not run without it.
> 
> -- 
> Savyasachee Jha
> 
> *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

Just pushed cantata 1.3.4 to the repos

-- 
Jelle van der Waa
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From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 23:48:32 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 12:48:32 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20140520182517.GA13543@gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Jelle van der Waa <jelle at vdwaa.nl> wrote:

> On 05/20/14 at 10:02pm, Savyasachee Jha wrote:
> > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Savyasachee Jha <savya.jha91 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, A Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Savyasachee Jha wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed qt5
> > >> >> optdepends?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> > There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it
> > >> depends
> > >> > on.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Are you sure about that?
> > >>
> > >> New optional dependencies for qt5-base
> > >>     gtk2: GTK2 plugin [installed]
> > >>     libsm: xcb plugin [installed]
> > >>     libxkbcommon-x11: xcb plugin
> > >>     mtdev: evdev plugin [installed]
> > >>
> > >>
> > > I did not have libxkbcommon-x11 installed. And quite strangely, when I
> > > upgraded, I did not get the "new optional deps" thing. However, when I
> just
> > > downgraded and upgraded again, it appeared. I guess I caught the
> mirror at
> > > an inappropriate time. :)
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Savyasachee Jha
> > >
> > > *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
> > >
> >
> > I should add that libxkbcommon-x11 should be added as a dep to cantata,
> for
> > it does not run without it.
> >
> > --
> > Savyasachee Jha
> >
> > *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
>
> Just pushed cantata 1.3.4 to the repos
>
> --
> Jelle van der Waa
>

Thank you. It seems to be working perfectly. If anything seems out of
order, I will file a bug report.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From sm at ara-ler.com  Wed May 21 00:06:50 2014
From: sm at ara-ler.com (Sergey Manucharian)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 22:06:50 -0600
Subject: [arch-general] virtualize a w8 ntfs partition and run w8 inside
 Arch
In-Reply-To: <CAK1hC9vuB2p5PEWf-M_Kh4rys-+Y3kbmKtZjMNZqDjMi_RrOWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1hC9vH7hDeTa_fHTY7ujA=D3bSFhpacC_Jw=Erf7aHetHm_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEk1YH7Kh=rzd0L3kqUAWnVxX=JnP5oEcVqrohPrTeNRj2+88A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK1hC9vgUUm-5jKoNpYTcP3S2jmQDxCMhwwPY1GkYaYGzaA68g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140515181945.GA1578@tatooine.lan>
 <CAK1hC9vuB2p5PEWf-M_Kh4rys-+Y3kbmKtZjMNZqDjMi_RrOWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140521040650.GA7324@dendrobates.ara-ler.com>

Excerpts from arnaud gaboury's message from Thu 15-May-14 20:56:
> I am ready for the "dirty" virtualization.

Just want to share my experience with intalling MS Windows 8 (64 bit) in
Virtualbox. The DVD installer crashes at very beginning. The solution is
a trick of manual "fine tuning" the VM described at [0].

It mentions Windows Server 2012, but was the only thing helped me with
Windows 8.

Technically it enables the CPU instruction CMPXCHG16B [1].


Cheers,
Sergey

[0] http://4sysops.com/forums/topic/windows-server-2012-r2-on-virtual-box-error-0x000000c4/
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Older_implementations


From reflexing at reflexing.ru  Wed May 21 12:36:43 2014
From: reflexing at reflexing.ru (Kirill Churin)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 22:36:43 +0600
Subject: [arch-general] Cantata gives error after Qt-5.3 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGHKYHoVQ=fbEbTKp_nrjK_p-wfFw=Epy5aR1KYsm02C7Et+YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGHKYHqjUE=bRbwvAw9-jazzHX_mRfsMEqQg3LYRjaZh7KvFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOzeqFmgc37EjyureLbOP7gKcbg6LwKrHu86d3cssntE4w-UNA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Savyasachee Jha <savya.jha91 at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Jelle van der Waa <jelle at vdwaa.nl> wrote:
>
> > On 05/20/14 at 10:02pm, Savyasachee Jha wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Savyasachee Jha <
> savya.jha91 at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, A Rojas <nqn1976list at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Savyasachee Jha wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Have you checked the output of pacman and installed all needed
> qt5
> > > >> >> optdepends?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> > There are no optdepends for cantata or any of the qt5 packages it
> > > >> depends
> > > >> > on.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> Are you sure about that?
> > > >>
> > > >> New optional dependencies for qt5-base
> > > >>     gtk2: GTK2 plugin [installed]
> > > >>     libsm: xcb plugin [installed]
> > > >>     libxkbcommon-x11: xcb plugin
> > > >>     mtdev: evdev plugin [installed]
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > I did not have libxkbcommon-x11 installed. And quite strangely, when
> I
> > > > upgraded, I did not get the "new optional deps" thing. However, when
> I
> > just
> > > > downgraded and upgraded again, it appeared. I guess I caught the
> > mirror at
> > > > an inappropriate time. :)
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Savyasachee Jha
> > > >
> > > > *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
> > > >
> > >
> > > I should add that libxkbcommon-x11 should be added as a dep to cantata,
> > for
> > > it does not run without it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Savyasachee Jha
> > >
> > > *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
> >
> > Just pushed cantata 1.3.4 to the repos
> >
> > --
> > Jelle van der Waa
> >
>
> Thank you. It seems to be working perfectly. If anything seems out of
> order, I will file a bug report.
>
> --
> Savyasachee Jha
>
> *"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*
>

SMPlayer has the same bug.

-- 
Kirill Churin
Jabber: reflexing at reflexing.ru

From gostrc at gmail.com  Wed May 21 14:35:02 2014
From: gostrc at gmail.com (Thomas Dziedzic)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 11:35:02 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] [Proposal] add python 3 support for gvim in [extra]
Message-ID: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I would like to add progress to the bug "FS#34397 - [gvim] has
--disable-python3interp" [0].

I feel like it's about time to start looking into supporting python 3 in
gvim. After some research, it looks like it would be problematic to support
both python versions compiled into the same vim version. That said, python2
seems to still be the primary target of most vim plugins. Though a lot of
these plugins also support python 3 at the same time.

Currently there is no obvious "right" answer to which python version we
should support since python2 obviously has the most support, but on the
other hand, we should support the latest version of python since that is
where the future lies.

This proposal is to keep the existing vim/gvim packages in [extra], but add
a 3rd split version called gvim-python3 or just gvim-python which would
provide the exact same features as gvim except with python 3 support
instead of python 2.

This would allow the community to start experimenting with python 3 support
and start reporting any issues to upstream vim plugins. While allowing
users that don't really want to live on the edge to still use gvim as they
previously had been using it.

Eventually I would like to replace gvim with the python 3 version and
provide a gvim-python2 version so that the default becomes python 3 but we
would still provide a python 2 version for people that still need it. After
some more time, I would like to eventually drop gvim-python2 to the aur and
only support the python 3 version. I still don't know when these switches
will happen, but for now, I would like to take the first step.

It also seems that there is a python 3 version of gvim available in the aur
[1]. Hopefully this would allow more people to experiment with python 3
support by removing the need to compile it and have it in supported repos.

What do yall think?

[0] - https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/34397
[1] - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gvim-python/

From hseara at gmail.com  Thu May 22 03:44:34 2014
From: hseara at gmail.com (Hector Martinez-Seara)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 10:44:34 +0300
Subject: [arch-general] [Proposal] add python 3 support for gvim in
	[extra]
In-Reply-To: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD9bxRviskSTCoC1fhBuvoYLEHZgaSJsAAWNkNEwHBE0Gc0xYg@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent idea!!!
Hector


On 21 May 2014 21:35, Thomas Dziedzic <gostrc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I would like to add progress to the bug "FS#34397 - [gvim] has
> --disable-python3interp" [0].
>
> I feel like it's about time to start looking into supporting python 3 in
> gvim. After some research, it looks like it would be problematic to support
> both python versions compiled into the same vim version. That said, python2
> seems to still be the primary target of most vim plugins. Though a lot of
> these plugins also support python 3 at the same time.
>
> Currently there is no obvious "right" answer to which python version we
> should support since python2 obviously has the most support, but on the
> other hand, we should support the latest version of python since that is
> where the future lies.
>
> This proposal is to keep the existing vim/gvim packages in [extra], but add
> a 3rd split version called gvim-python3 or just gvim-python which would
> provide the exact same features as gvim except with python 3 support
> instead of python 2.
>
> This would allow the community to start experimenting with python 3 support
> and start reporting any issues to upstream vim plugins. While allowing
> users that don't really want to live on the edge to still use gvim as they
> previously had been using it.
>
> Eventually I would like to replace gvim with the python 3 version and
> provide a gvim-python2 version so that the default becomes python 3 but we
> would still provide a python 2 version for people that still need it. After
> some more time, I would like to eventually drop gvim-python2 to the aur and
> only support the python 3 version. I still don't know when these switches
> will happen, but for now, I would like to take the first step.
>
> It also seems that there is a python 3 version of gvim available in the aur
> [1]. Hopefully this would allow more people to experiment with python 3
> support by removing the need to compile it and have it in supported repos.
>
> What do yall think?
>
> [0] - https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/34397
> [1] - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gvim-python/
>



-- 
Hector Mart?nez-Seara Monn?
mail: hseara at gmail.com
Tel: +34656271145
Tel: +358442709253

From delcypher at gmail.com  Thu May 22 04:32:40 2014
From: delcypher at gmail.com (Delcypher)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:32:40 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] [Proposal] add python 3 support for gvim in
	[extra]
In-Reply-To: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANNJ_zhN2FSR5Y=HQAx6hTgY6vppVMsN9sM5Fi7g6xc_1KV_ow@mail.gmail.com>

have it in supported repos.
>
> What do yall think?

Sounds good to me. I use python 3 a lot (and gvim) so encouraging plug-ins
to start supporting python 3 in my view will benefit many.

Cheers,
Dan.

From richter.vania at yandex.com  Thu May 22 05:43:43 2014
From: richter.vania at yandex.com (Richter Vania)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:43:43 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] [Proposal] add python 3 support for gvim in
	[extra]
In-Reply-To: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12813761400751823@web27m.yandex.ru>

21.05.2014, 22:35, "Thomas Dziedzic" <gostrc at gmail.com>:
> Hey all,
>
> I would like to add progress to the bug "FS#34397 - [gvim] has
> --disable-python3interp" [0].
>
> I feel like it's about time to start looking into supporting python 3 in
> gvim. After some research, it looks like it would be problematic to support
> both python versions compiled into the same vim version. That said, python2
> seems to still be the primary target of most vim plugins. Though a lot of
> these plugins also support python 3 at the same time.
>
> Currently there is no obvious "right" answer to which python version we
> should support since python2 obviously has the most support, but on the
> other hand, we should support the latest version of python since that is
> where the future lies.
>
> This proposal is to keep the existing vim/gvim packages in [extra], but add
> a 3rd split version called gvim-python3 or just gvim-python which would
> provide the exact same features as gvim except with python 3 support
> instead of python 2.
>
> This would allow the community to start experimenting with python 3 support
> and start reporting any issues to upstream vim plugins. While allowing
> users that don't really want to live on the edge to still use gvim as they
> previously had been using it.
>
> Eventually I would like to replace gvim with the python 3 version and
> provide a gvim-python2 version so that the default becomes python 3 but we
> would still provide a python 2 version for people that still need it. After
> some more time, I would like to eventually drop gvim-python2 to the aur and
> only support the python 3 version. I still don't know when these switches
> will happen, but for now, I would like to take the first step.
>
> It also seems that there is a python 3 version of gvim available in the aur
> [1]. Hopefully this would allow more people to experiment with python 3
> support by removing the need to compile it and have it in supported repos.
>
> What do yall think?
>
> [0] - https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/34397
> [1] - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gvim-python/

Seems like a very good idea. Python 3 is the default Python in Arch anyway, no reason to make an exception for Vim.

From richter.vania at yandex.com  Thu May 22 06:05:50 2014
From: richter.vania at yandex.com (Richter Vania)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 14:05:50 +0400
Subject: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos
Message-ID: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>

With Mozilla Firefox implementing DRM in their source code, I think more users - even those who aren't strictly Free Software people - will move to GNU IceCat.

I know that most IceCat users compile it themselves but I compiling it takes a lot of time and a binary package would help those people who don't want to use Mozilla Firefox but still want to keep their browser up-to-date.

I know that Arch isn't particularly aligned politically but I see this matter as practical, many people are going to switch to GNU IceCat if the DRM is implemented.

From magnus at therning.org  Thu May 22 06:23:18 2014
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 12:23:18 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos
In-Reply-To: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
References: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <CAAExw5u9Xf6RYR+amHH98G=R+it9X9z-=fLQeF-=iqgDMyhOyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Richter Vania
<richter.vania at yandex.com> wrote:
> With Mozilla Firefox implementing DRM in their source code, I think more users - even those who aren't strictly Free Software people - will move to GNU IceCat.

No, AFAIU Mozilla Firefox will not "implement DRM in their source".
They will write an open-source wrapper around Adobe's CDM-thingie,
which will end up as a optional plugin at the end user's side.  This
may still mean that more users move towards GNU IceCat though.  Who
knows?

> I know that most IceCat users compile it themselves but I compiling it takes a lot of time and a binary package would help those people who don't want to use Mozilla Firefox but still want to keep their browser up-to-date.
>
> I know that Arch isn't particularly aligned politically but I see this matter as practical, many people are going to switch to GNU IceCat if the DRM is implemented.

Providing binary packages for Ice Cat may of course be interesting anyway!

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                      OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4
email: magnus at therning.org   jabber: magnus at therning.org
twitter: magthe               http://therning.org/magnus

From savya.jha91 at gmail.com  Thu May 22 06:29:25 2014
From: savya.jha91 at gmail.com (Savyasachee Jha)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 19:29:25 +0900
Subject: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos
In-Reply-To: <CAAExw5u9Xf6RYR+amHH98G=R+it9X9z-=fLQeF-=iqgDMyhOyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
 <CAAExw5u9Xf6RYR+amHH98G=R+it9X9z-=fLQeF-=iqgDMyhOyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGHKYHqh2k5ARR+N15Umqfy2T_Fx8JvuA-mw5yJxhwGJXAJgdw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Magnus Therning <magnus at therning.org>wrote:

> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Richter Vania
> <richter.vania at yandex.com> wrote:
> > With Mozilla Firefox implementing DRM in their source code, I think more
> users - even those who aren't strictly Free Software people - will move to
> GNU IceCat.
>
> No, AFAIU Mozilla Firefox will not "implement DRM in their source".
> They will write an open-source wrapper around Adobe's CDM-thingie,
> which will end up as a optional plugin at the end user's side.  This
> may still mean that more users move towards GNU IceCat though.  Who
> knows?
>
> > I know that most IceCat users compile it themselves but I compiling it
> takes a lot of time and a binary package would help those people who don't
> want to use Mozilla Firefox but still want to keep their browser up-to-date.
> >
> > I know that Arch isn't particularly aligned politically but I see this
> matter as practical, many people are going to switch to GNU IceCat if the
> DRM is implemented.
>
> Providing binary packages for Ice Cat may of course be interesting anyway!
>
> /M
>
> --
> Magnus Therning                      OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4
> email: magnus at therning.org   jabber: magnus at therning.org
> twitter: magthe               http://therning.org/magnus
>

I'd say that if a majority of users will be using IceCat from now on, then
the PkgStats results will reflect this. We should keep an eye out on them,
and if the developers feel it is right, IceCat can be brought into the
official repos.

-- 
Savyasachee Jha

*"Aerodynamics is for people whodon't know how to build engines."*

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Thu May 22 07:44:56 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:44:56 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem horizontal line screen xbmc
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA8fGLdmgHNuFUo1tN_d3UM4_PNk4kvFXWqHbUy2t536QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I have installed archlinux + xbmc + lxde

In boot, lxde is disabled and xbmc is enabled.

The xbmc works very well, the problem is when I play a movie that a
horizontal line appears at the top.

With lxde no problem when I play the movie and see desktop very well.

I have this graphic card:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series]

This is log when I start xbmc:

Xorg.0.log:

[root at arch-xbmc ~]# tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1440x900"x0.0  136.75  1440
1536 1688 1936  900 903 909 942 -hsync +vsync (70.6 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1600x1200"x0.0  162.00  1600
1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1680x1050"x0.0  119.00  1680
1728 1760 1840  1050 1053 1059 1080 +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1440x480i"x0.0   27.00  1440
1478 1602 1716  480 488 494 525 interlace -hsync -vsync (15.7 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1440x576i"x0.0   27.00  1440
1464 1590 1728  576 580 586 625 interlace -hsync -vsync (15.6 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "720x576"x0.0   27.00  720 732
796 864  576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync (31.2 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0   74.25  1920
2558 2602 2750  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (27.0 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0   74.25  1920
2448 2492 2640  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (28.1 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0   74.25  1920
2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (33.8 kHz e)
[ 79584.467] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "2880x480"x0.0  108.00  2880
2944 3192 3432  480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)

messages:

May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: Loading extension GLX
May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler
(xkbcomp) reports:
May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: > Warning:          Type
"ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols
May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: >                   Ignoring
extra symbols
May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: Errors from xkbcomp are not
fatal to the X server
May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: which: no start-pulseaudio-x11
in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
May 22 13:41:05 arch-xbmc xinit[13052]: which: no pulse-session in
(/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
May 22 13:41:07 arch-xbmc dbus[225]: [system] Activating via systemd:
service name='org.freedesktop.Avahi'
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service'
May 22 13:41:07 arch-xbmc dbus[225]: [system] Activation via systemd
failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service': Unit
dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service failed to load: No such file or
directory.


journalctl -xn:

-- Logs begin at dom 2014-05-11 13:03:52 CEST, end at jue 2014-05-22
13:43:07 CEST. --
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc xinit[13134]: (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc kernel:
[drm:dce4_afmt_write_speaker_allocation] *ERROR* Couldn't read Speaker
Allocation Data Block: 0
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc xinit[13134]: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler
(xkbcomp) reports:
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc xinit[13134]: > Warning:          Type
"ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc xinit[13134]: >                   Ignoring
extra symbols
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc xinit[13134]: Errors from xkbcomp are not
fatal to the X server
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc xinit[13134]: which: no start-pulseaudio-x11
in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
may 22 13:43:04 arch-xbmc xinit[13134]: which: no pulse-session in
(/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
may 22 13:43:07 arch-xbmc dbus[225]: [system] Activating via systemd:
service name='org.freedesktop.Avahi'
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service'
may 22 13:43:07 arch-xbmc dbus[225]: [system] Activation via systemd
failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service': Unit
dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service failed to


Is possible the problem is driver ati??

Thanks in advanced.

From gdamjan at gmail.com  Thu May 22 09:27:14 2014
From: gdamjan at gmail.com (Damjan Georgievski)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:27:14 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [Proposal] add python 3 support for gvim in
	[extra]
In-Reply-To: <12813761400751823@web27m.yandex.ru>
References: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <12813761400751823@web27m.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <CAEk1YH4C7nDr2x42DEHbNZVJXJPfFGjZP=SZAh6STxza5-jDJA@mail.gmail.com>

> ... Python 3 is the default Python in Arch anyway

that was a rushed decission, and created a lot of problems



-- 
damjan

From rodseth at gmail.com  Thu May 22 10:48:14 2014
From: rodseth at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Alexander_R=C3=B8dseth?=)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:48:14 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] [Proposal] add python 3 support for gvim in
	[extra]
In-Reply-To: <12813761400751823@web27m.yandex.ru>
References: <CANFDciEheVtQ8vLi-3n1iaAkbr7mf47ZqPaFHf=12Xj_78mOmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <12813761400751823@web27m.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <CAG7ayyt1ueWJeJg3aoGj+u-j9J=-Z-QCDCFEjGWKyocodc8tOw@mail.gmail.com>

If there is only a handful of vim plug-ins that does not yet support python
3, how about letting the community  help with porting them for the next 30
days.

Gvim with python 3 support can be pushed to [testing] in order to help the
transition. Then after 30 days have passed, make a clean break to gvim/py3
and move gvim/py2 to AUR.

Porting vim plug-ins from py2 to py3 *should* be relatively easy and this
method should be both clean and user friendly.

- Alexander / xyproto

From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:38:39 2014
From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 13:38:39 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos
In-Reply-To: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
References: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <20140523173839.GA25518@asgard.wilkes.net>

Hi,
I agree it should be in the official repos.
Thanks
Storm
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 02:05:50PM +0400, Richter Vania wrote:
>With Mozilla Firefox implementing DRM in their source code, I think more users - even those who aren't strictly Free Software people - will move to GNU IceCat.
>
>I know that most IceCat users compile it themselves but I compiling it takes a lot of time and a binary package would help those people who don't want to use Mozilla Firefox but still want to keep their browser up-to-date.
>
>I know that Arch isn't particularly aligned politically but I see this matter as practical, many people are going to switch to GNU IceCat if the DRM is implemented.

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From danielmicay at gmail.com  Fri May 23 14:46:27 2014
From: danielmicay at gmail.com (Daniel Micay)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:46:27 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos
In-Reply-To: <20140523173839.GA25518@asgard.wilkes.net>
References: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
 <20140523173839.GA25518@asgard.wilkes.net>
Message-ID: <537F9783.5060003@gmail.com>

Firefox and IceCat already implement an API for DRM called NPAPI. It
provides DRM via Flash and even Silverlight with Pipelight.

Firefox won't be implementing DRM. It will be providing yet another API
for a third party blob to latch onto to provide DRM via HTML directly.

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From lists at sapience.com  Sat May 24 12:14:53 2014
From: lists at sapience.com (Genes Lists)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 12:14:53 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [Draft] MariaDB 10.0 enters
 [extra]
In-Reply-To: <53776F44.80802@sapience.com>
References: <20140517144045.70776e20@wallander> <53776F44.80802@sapience.com>
Message-ID: <5380C57D.8070601@sapience.com>


Still having same problem fully updated on testing repo:

postmap: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.18: no version information available 
(required by postmap)

Any suggestions to fix?

From mrelendig at har-ikkje.net  Sun May 25 05:47:10 2014
From: mrelendig at har-ikkje.net (=?UTF-8?B?w5h5dmluZA==?= Heggstad)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 11:47:10 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos
In-Reply-To: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
References: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <20140525114710.70d55782@Alice>

On Thu, 22 May 2014 14:05:50 +0400
Richter Vania <richter.vania at yandex.com> wrote:

> With Mozilla Firefox implementing DRM in their source code, I think
> more users - even those who aren't strictly Free Software people -
> will move to GNU IceCat.
> 
> I know that most IceCat users compile it themselves but I compiling
> it takes a lot of time and a binary package would help those people
> who don't want to use Mozilla Firefox but still want to keep their
> browser up-to-date.
> 
> I know that Arch isn't particularly aligned politically but I see
> this matter as practical, many people are going to switch to GNU
> IceCat if the DRM is implemented.

How to get a package into a official repository:

1. Package it in aur, show that you are capable of doing a good job.
2. Apply to become a TU
3. ???
4. Profit!!! (and IceCat in [community])

From olli at coderkun.de  Sun May 25 14:10:55 2014
From: olli at coderkun.de (coderkun)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 20:10:55 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos
In-Reply-To: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
References: <892131400753150@web25h.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <1401041455.8067.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Am Donnerstag, den 22.05.2014, 14:05 +0400 schrieb Richter Vania:
> I know that most IceCat users compile it themselves but I compiling it takes a lot of time and a binary package would help those people who don't want to use Mozilla Firefox but still want to keep their browser up-to-date.

I?ve added IceCat? to my small Arch Linux repository at
http://arch.coderkun.de
Feel free to use it.



? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/icecat/


From amal at cryptolab.net  Mon May 26 02:45:55 2014
From: amal at cryptolab.net (Amal Roy)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:15:55 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Setting dirty ratio
Message-ID: <5382E323.8090707@cryptolab.net>

What is the recommended way to set dirty ratio and dirty background 
ratio on boot?
I added those in /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf fileand then added a 
systemd service to fork a process "sysctl --system" on startup and it 
didn't seem to work. The command "sysctl --system" run as root is 
successful in setting the custom options set in 
/etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf.

From anatol.pomozov at gmail.com  Mon May 26 03:27:53 2014
From: anatol.pomozov at gmail.com (Anatol Pomozov)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 00:27:53 -0700
Subject: [arch-general] Setting dirty ratio
In-Reply-To: <5382E323.8090707@cryptolab.net>
References: <5382E323.8090707@cryptolab.net>
Message-ID: <CAOMFOmUU0mOXgZxDKE5=WgmUDwRqqr9q7_GszBXnVWY1nM7HwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Amal Roy <amal at cryptolab.net> wrote:
> What is the recommended way to set dirty ratio and dirty background ratio on
> boot?

As usual the answer can be found in wiki
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sysctl#Virtual_memory

> I added those in /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf fileand then added a systemd
> service to fork a process "sysctl --system"

You don't need to create a systemd service, the one already exists

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-sysctl.service.html

> on startup and it didn't seem to
> work. The command "sysctl --system" run as root is successful in setting the
> custom options set in /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf.

From amal at cryptolab.net  Mon May 26 04:43:31 2014
From: amal at cryptolab.net (Amal Roy)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 14:13:31 +0530
Subject: [arch-general] Setting dirty ratio
In-Reply-To: <CAOMFOmUU0mOXgZxDKE5=WgmUDwRqqr9q7_GszBXnVWY1nM7HwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5382E323.8090707@cryptolab.net>
 <CAOMFOmUU0mOXgZxDKE5=WgmUDwRqqr9q7_GszBXnVWY1nM7HwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5382FEB3.40505@cryptolab.net>

Thanks for replying. I followed the wiki but, the kernel variables are 
not set at startup even though the systemd unit is active (checked by 
"systemctl status systemd-sysctl.service"). If I restart the service 
using "systemctl restart systemd-sysctl.service", the kernel variables 
are set. I cannot find any error messages in journalctl or systemctl status.

On 05/26/2014 12:57 PM, Anatol Pomozov wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Amal Roy <amal at cryptolab.net> wrote:
>> What is the recommended way to set dirty ratio and dirty background ratio on
>> boot?
> As usual the answer can be found in wiki
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sysctl#Virtual_memory
>
>> I added those in /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf fileand then added a systemd
>> service to fork a process "sysctl --system"
> You don't need to create a systemd service, the one already exists
>
> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-sysctl.service.html
>
>> on startup and it didn't seem to
>> work. The command "sysctl --system" run as root is successful in setting the
>> custom options set in /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf.


From rodrigorivascosta at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:54:47 2014
From: rodrigorivascosta at gmail.com (Rodrigo Rivas)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 00:54:47 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] systemd-run --user does not work
In-Reply-To: <20140513215736.GA1383@phare.normalesup.org>
References: <CABNG1c0f_wuCXWRV7DqQMwq3QrkH0uHOB1ksi0f5oTEZivhdiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGHKYHoin519s+zVid4azTRB_xo3SjUgH2gGcqFne8mc6XyV_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140512180410.GA5509@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CABNG1c1cWsxFxGzpa6hQk0gHbSADCr5q59a9ywtWx7bfUc0H_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140513215736.GA1383@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <CABNG1c1DiYpUoF+j-G5JCKcwJwm74LPwb+WpGR+SqSnYW5-bZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Ismael Bouya
<ismael.bouya at normalesup.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't know if it's necessary to send the request upstream for the moment:
> They are busy moving things to kdbus (which is the kernel implementation of
> dbus, and not "KDE-dbus" as I thought initially).

Anyway, I finally managed to send a bug report upstream [1], and a
quick fix seems to be on the way. Cheers!

[1]: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79252

From gsnijders at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:57:32 2014
From: gsnijders at gmail.com (Guus Snijders)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 00:57:32 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] libpng warning - qt application
Message-ID: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is hardly a new problem, and I know how to fix a 'broken' png file.
The problem is finding that file.

Here's the case; i recently started using a application ppqt[1], which
shows this warning on startup. Displaying PNGs is a major part of this
application and that doesn't work atm.
To investigate, i did an strace, but that didn't turn out to be very
helpful; the only png's mentioned are icons that are /not/ found.

Does anybody here have some advice on how to find out which file could
be the culprit in this? Or how to troubleshoot better?


[1] https://github.com/tallforasmurf/PPQT


mvg,
    Guus

From joren.vanonder at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:12:30 2014
From: joren.vanonder at gmail.com (Joren Van Onder)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 15:12:30 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] XULrunner optional dependencies
Message-ID: <87mwe3wekh.fsf@gmail.com>

It might be a good idea to add the gstreamer0-* optional dependencies
of Firefox as optional dependencies to XULrunner too. As it stands, a
user who installs something like conkeror-git from the AUR never gets
informed that HTML5 video/audio playback can be improved by installing
these packages.

--
        Joren
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From adys.wh at gmail.com  Tue May 27 10:32:10 2014
From: adys.wh at gmail.com (Jerome Leclanche)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 15:32:10 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] libpng warning - qt application
In-Reply-To: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFd36BiAgL1rz3eKY+t4SOb+YggvipQ5i6Adms-c8gARAFC8Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Could be something embedded in the resources, have you looked through those?
J. Leclanche


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Guus Snijders <gsnijders at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know this is hardly a new problem, and I know how to fix a 'broken' png file.
> The problem is finding that file.
>
> Here's the case; i recently started using a application ppqt[1], which
> shows this warning on startup. Displaying PNGs is a major part of this
> application and that doesn't work atm.
> To investigate, i did an strace, but that didn't turn out to be very
> helpful; the only png's mentioned are icons that are /not/ found.
>
> Does anybody here have some advice on how to find out which file could
> be the culprit in this? Or how to troubleshoot better?
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/tallforasmurf/PPQT
>
>
> mvg,
>     Guus

From gsnijders at gmail.com  Tue May 27 11:43:14 2014
From: gsnijders at gmail.com (Guus Snijders)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 17:43:14 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] libpng warning - qt application
In-Reply-To: <CAFd36BiAgL1rz3eKY+t4SOb+YggvipQ5i6Adms-c8gARAFC8Qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd36BiAgL1rz3eKY+t4SOb+YggvipQ5i6Adms-c8gARAFC8Qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHntV0BJxi5JdeNEZQu8C3vWFC62JaOXvMLMhjz2sYKw+KtbAw@mail.gmail.com>

[Python/QT application troubleshooting, libpng warning]

2014-05-27 16:32 GMT+02:00 Jerome Leclanche <adys.wh at gmail.com>:
> Could be something embedded in the resources, have you looked through those?

Thanks for your response. I should have mentioned that in the first message.
I did check the files belonging to the application; no PNG's there.

A little more testing showed that the warning was generated by a
webviewer that is part of this program.
After a lot of testing, it turned out that the problem of not showing
the PNGs i wanted, was unrelated to this warning, it was caused by the
specific project that i tried to edit with this program.
When i tried another project (same program), the neccesary PNG's show
up nicely. The warning is still there, but is apparently not
important.

I'm still curious to know how one can find out which files are opened
by any program during startup; strace mainly showed which files could
not be found.


mvg,
    Guus

From siosm99 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 16:33:42 2014
From: siosm99 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGltb3Row6llIFJhdmllcg==?=)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 22:33:42 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] libpng warning - qt application
In-Reply-To: <CAHntV0BJxi5JdeNEZQu8C3vWFC62JaOXvMLMhjz2sYKw+KtbAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd36BiAgL1rz3eKY+t4SOb+YggvipQ5i6Adms-c8gARAFC8Qw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHntV0BJxi5JdeNEZQu8C3vWFC62JaOXvMLMhjz2sYKw+KtbAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5384F6A6.1090907@gmail.com>

On 27/05/2014 17:43, Guus Snijders wrote:
> I'm still curious to know how one can find out which files are opened
> by any program during startup; strace mainly showed which files could
> not be found.

Did you make sure to trace children too?

'strace -f -e trace=open myapp' should do it.

-- 
Timoth?e Ravier

From stevenhoneyman at gmail.com  Tue May 27 16:54:24 2014
From: stevenhoneyman at gmail.com (Steven Honeyman)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 21:54:24 +0100
Subject: [arch-general] QEMU bug report
Message-ID: <CABz95_AeD70_O2hkf=QQVwtSTHWG2QhW5f2Ho_YLq62H_r397g@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry if this sounds a little rude, but could someone please actually
read this bug report before it just gets closed?

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/40571

(it has already been flagged for closure - wrongly or without good reason)

Thanks,
Steven.

From bigby.james at crepcran.com  Tue May 27 17:21:37 2014
From: bigby.james at crepcran.com (Bigby James)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:37 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] QEMU bug report
In-Reply-To: <CABz95_AeD70_O2hkf=QQVwtSTHWG2QhW5f2Ho_YLq62H_r397g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABz95_AeD70_O2hkf=QQVwtSTHWG2QhW5f2Ho_YLq62H_r397g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140527212136.GA27056@crepcran.com>

On 05/27, Steven Honeyman wrote:
> Sorry if this sounds a little rude, but could someone please actually
> read this bug report before it just gets closed?
> 
> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/40571
> 
> (it has already been flagged for closure - wrongly or without good reason)
> 
> Thanks,
> Steven.

The closure seems pretty straight-forward: Out-of-date packages should be
flagged as such on their respective package pages. Filing a bug report about it
is an unnecessary duplication of data. If you feel there is some oversight in
package maintenance, contact the package maintainer.


From gsnijders at gmail.com  Tue May 27 17:48:38 2014
From: gsnijders at gmail.com (Guus Snijders)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 23:48:38 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] libpng warning - qt application
In-Reply-To: <5384F6A6.1090907@gmail.com>
References: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd36BiAgL1rz3eKY+t4SOb+YggvipQ5i6Adms-c8gARAFC8Qw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHntV0BJxi5JdeNEZQu8C3vWFC62JaOXvMLMhjz2sYKw+KtbAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5384F6A6.1090907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHntV0CydzXyeaAkcHAnZ3r1FsqreRYbGp=mg35jdgr3aL3Z6A@mail.gmail.com>

2014-05-27 22:33 GMT+02:00 Timoth?e Ravier <siosm99 at gmail.com>:
> On 27/05/2014 17:43, Guus Snijders wrote:
>> I'm still curious to know how one can find out which files are opened
>> by any program during startup; strace mainly showed which files could
>> not be found.
>
> Did you make sure to trace children too?
>
> 'strace -f -e trace=open myapp' should do it.

Ahh, I missed the -f option. Thank you.
Trying it, it didn't show the specific file that failed, but did give
some more pointers to look for.

I found out that this message appears when a "QWebview" is started
(python module: pqHelp.py). This appears to be an HTML viewer which
uses exactly one icon (reload).
In the strace logfile there was one mention of opening
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme.
This file appears to just list all available icons.

As a last shot in the dark, i decided to run identify on all files
with "reload" in the name, but the output is similar for all files.

I guess I'd best leave it with that. It was a fun experiment, but alas
not entirely succesful. I got the application working for what I want
to use it for and will have to live with the warning message. No
biggie.



mvg,
    Guus

From mysatyre at gmail.com  Wed May 28 03:29:12 2014
From: mysatyre at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martti_K=C3=BChne?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:29:12 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] libpng warning - qt application
In-Reply-To: <CAHntV0BJxi5JdeNEZQu8C3vWFC62JaOXvMLMhjz2sYKw+KtbAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd36BiAgL1rz3eKY+t4SOb+YggvipQ5i6Adms-c8gARAFC8Qw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHntV0BJxi5JdeNEZQu8C3vWFC62JaOXvMLMhjz2sYKw+KtbAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAONKL1BpZH4UCEYKs8jfswMFz3Wi94unJaccsFPxw3PB5GmHCw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Guus Snijders <gsnijders at gmail.com> wrote:
> [Python/QT application troubleshooting, libpng warning]
>
> A little more testing showed that the warning was generated by a
> webviewer that is part of this program.
> After a lot of testing, it turned out that the problem of not showing
> the PNGs i wanted, was unrelated to this warning, it was caused by the
> specific project that i tried to edit with this program.
> When i tried another project (same program), the neccesary PNG's show
> up nicely. The warning is still there, but is apparently not
> important.

What warning?
This one?

libpng warning: iCCP: Not recognizing known sRGB profile that has been edited

cheers!
mar77i

From j.l.k at gmx.com  Wed May 28 03:52:12 2014
From: j.l.k at gmx.com (Jakub =?utf-8?Q?Klinkovsk=C3=BD?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:52:12 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Packaging: difference between "example documentation
 config" and "default config"
Message-ID: <20140528075212.GA613@asusntb.lan>

Hi all,

there are two kinds of config files shipped with Arch packages:
 1) "example documentation config" - by this I mean sample config files,
    intended for documentation purposes
 2) "default config" - by this I mean configs containing sensible default values
    uncommented to provide basic functionality ootb
One of the recognition signs is that in Arch, 2) configs are usually very short.

Some examples of proper "default configs":
    /etc/ntp.conf
    /etc/pacman.conf
and of "example documentation configs":
    /etc/dnsmasq.conf
    /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
    /etc/hostapd/*
    /usr/share/doc/lighttpd/config/*

Now the problem is: should "example documentation configs" be installed in /etc/
or /usr/share/doc/<package>/ ? I'd vote for the latter, here is the reasoning:

1) Users will hardly overwrite files in /usr/share/doc/ so keeping "example
documentation configs" there will ease maintenance of short and much clearer
separate config files.

2) In the examples above, in all dnsmasq, wpa_supplicant and hostapd, the
decision to keep the configs under /etc/ is made in PKGBUILD [1], [2], [3]. In
case of wpa_supplicant, wpa_supplicant.conf(5) even indicates that the path to
example config is "probably" /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/.

3) Keeping "example documentation configs" with uncommented options under /etc/
might lead to unintended behaviour, meaning the default options might not be
very sane. Specifically, /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf has multiple
network blocks uncommented, which, in conjunction with the recently introduced
dhcpcd hook [4], may lead to wpa_supplicant being started without user's
intervention and not failing due to the network blocks uncommented in
wpa_supplicant.conf.

4) Considering the user-centric clause in the Arch Way [5], I don't think any
default config file for the three packages is necessary as anybody using it will
have to modify it. Creating the file instead of modifying some bloated sample
should be easier, see point 1).

Before I submit bug reports for the three packages (dnsmasq, wpa_supplicant,
hostapd), I'd like to hear some more opinions about this. Thanks,

--
jlk

[1]: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/dnsmasq#n37
[2]: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/wpa_supplicant#n42
[3]: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/hostapd#n55
[4]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dhcpcd#10-wpa_supplicant
[5]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way#User-centric
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From yamakaky at yamaworld.fr  Wed May 28 04:47:41 2014
From: yamakaky at yamaworld.fr (Yamakaky)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 10:47:41 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Packaging: difference between "example
 documentation config" and "default config"
In-Reply-To: <20140528075212.GA613@asusntb.lan>
References: <20140528075212.GA613@asusntb.lan>
Message-ID: <5385A2AD.9030005@yamaworld.fr>

I think the default configuration should let the user test the software 
without touching the configuration. I love software with good defaults. 
And pacdiff's power. Conversely, the example config in /usr should 
contain all the config options (if possible), and examples.

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Wed May 28 05:32:51 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 11:32:51 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with spark xmpp
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA9oz5Ark_Pudmy1pZfTOyTdkBrRFEdk=F8FY9N-ohmupQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I have install the spark client xmpp. I works very well with
openfire, but suddenly when I exec spark:

[maykel at maykel-arch ~]$ spark
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
com/install4j/runtime/Launcher
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.install4j.runtime.Launcher
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
Could not find the main class: com.install4j.runtime.Launcher.
Program will exit.

[maykel at maykel-arch ~]$ echo $JAVA_HOME
/usr/lib/jvm/jre1.7.0_55

[maykel at maykel-arch ~]$ java -version
java version "1.7.0_55"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_55-b13)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.55-b03, mixed mode)

Thanks in advanced.

From gsnijders at gmail.com  Wed May 28 05:52:02 2014
From: gsnijders at gmail.com (Guus Snijders)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 11:52:02 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] libpng warning - qt application
In-Reply-To: <CAONKL1BpZH4UCEYKs8jfswMFz3Wi94unJaccsFPxw3PB5GmHCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHntV0C9mKT6WyeVsJteHpJ1=er-wZPt_xwSP6fdvAHa45FbYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd36BiAgL1rz3eKY+t4SOb+YggvipQ5i6Adms-c8gARAFC8Qw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHntV0BJxi5JdeNEZQu8C3vWFC62JaOXvMLMhjz2sYKw+KtbAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAONKL1BpZH4UCEYKs8jfswMFz3Wi94unJaccsFPxw3PB5GmHCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHntV0A7kpZmKwjha7=CHp_bhrwu1OMm1QcK4N-NqQuEDf47Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Op 28 mei 2014 09:29 schreef "Martti K?hne" <mysatyre at gmail.com> het
volgende:
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Guus Snijders <gsnijders at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > [Python/QT application troubleshooting, libpng warning]
> >
> > A little more testing showed that the warning was generated by a
> > webviewer that is part of this program.
> > After a lot of testing, it turned out that the problem of not showing
> > the PNGs i wanted, was unrelated to this warning, it was caused by the
> > specific project that i tried to edit with this program.
> > When i tried another project (same program), the neccesary PNG's show
> > up nicely. The warning is still there, but is apparently not
> > important.
>
> What warning?
> This one?
>
> libpng warning: iCCP: Not recognizing known sRGB profile that has been
edited

Yes, indeed.

mvg, Guus

From girard.cedric at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:57:25 2014
From: girard.cedric at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Girard?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 13:57:25 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem horizontal line screen xbmc
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA8fGLdmgHNuFUo1tN_d3UM4_PNk4kvFXWqHbUy2t536QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8fGLdmgHNuFUo1tN_d3UM4_PNk4kvFXWqHbUy2t536QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rnASuAfPmKjGg_uj194-gej3vAGA92-7_X8pneeeqtj1frLA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com>wrote:

> The xbmc works very well, the problem is when I play a movie that a
> horizontal line appears at the top.
>

I did notice this as well but with a version built from the git repository.
AFAICT, this is a refresh/v-sync related bug (like tearing but always
occuring at the same place).
Anyway, I don't think this is Arch related (nor AMD as I am using an Intel
iGPU).

Regards

C?dric

From imntreal at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:03:14 2014
From: imntreal at gmail.com (Jameson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 10:03:14 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Problem with spark xmpp
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2aOA9oz5Ark_Pudmy1pZfTOyTdkBrRFEdk=F8FY9N-ohmupQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA9oz5Ark_Pudmy1pZfTOyTdkBrRFEdk=F8FY9N-ohmupQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHtGYf8E5zvEb9qoXXVmcbjUDPPGHLFeVJWiW+wmv12A_8eiVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried with OpenJDK? This sounds like a bug that will probably
need to be reported upstream. Good luck getting someone to look at
Spark these days, though.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I have install the spark client xmpp. I works very well with
> openfire, but suddenly when I exec spark:
>
> [maykel at maykel-arch ~]$ spark
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
> com/install4j/runtime/Launcher
> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.install4j.runtime.Launcher
>         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
>         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>         at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
>         at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
> Could not find the main class: com.install4j.runtime.Launcher.
> Program will exit.
>
> [maykel at maykel-arch ~]$ echo $JAVA_HOME
> /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.7.0_55
>
> [maykel at maykel-arch ~]$ java -version
> java version "1.7.0_55"
> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_55-b13)
> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.55-b03, mixed mode)
>
> Thanks in advanced.

From tan.yew.wayne at gmail.com  Wed May 28 14:25:38 2014
From: tan.yew.wayne at gmail.com (Wayne Tan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 02:25:38 +0800
Subject: [arch-general] Problem horizontal line screen xbmc
In-Reply-To: <CA+rnASuAfPmKjGg_uj194-gej3vAGA92-7_X8pneeeqtj1frLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8fGLdmgHNuFUo1tN_d3UM4_PNk4kvFXWqHbUy2t536QQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+rnASuAfPmKjGg_uj194-gej3vAGA92-7_X8pneeeqtj1frLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAXEMxCuG9bQwz1thpG1kvugqgk6KeK0J1dtJUJpjywfmKCbow@mail.gmail.com>

On 28 May 2014 19:57, C?dric Girard <girard.cedric at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The xbmc works very well, the problem is when I play a movie that a
>> horizontal line appears at the top.
>>
>
> I did notice this as well but with a version built from the git repository.
> AFAICT, this is a refresh/v-sync related bug (like tearing but always
> occuring at the same place).
> Anyway, I don't think this is Arch related (nor AMD as I am using an Intel
> iGPU).
>
> Regards
>
> C?dric

Not sure if this is Maykel's problem exactly ("horizontal line" isn't
very descriptive), but for the tearing see:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=176651

-- 
Regards,
Wayne

From maykeldebian at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:11:22 2014
From: maykeldebian at gmail.com (Maykel Franco)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 21:11:22 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Problem horizontal line screen xbmc
In-Reply-To: <CAAXEMxCuG9bQwz1thpG1kvugqgk6KeK0J1dtJUJpjywfmKCbow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2aOA8fGLdmgHNuFUo1tN_d3UM4_PNk4kvFXWqHbUy2t536QQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+rnASuAfPmKjGg_uj194-gej3vAGA92-7_X8pneeeqtj1frLA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAXEMxCuG9bQwz1thpG1kvugqgk6KeK0J1dtJUJpjywfmKCbow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2aOA-2kbpzQSbuhHDP8jCTitKZqemJhp_E32qGXdgAOtvjMw@mail.gmail.com>

El 28/05/2014 20:26, "Wayne Tan" <tan.yew.wayne at gmail.com> escribi?:
>
> On 28 May 2014 19:57, C?dric Girard <girard.cedric at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Maykel Franco <maykeldebian at gmail.com
>wrote:
> >
> >> The xbmc works very well, the problem is when I play a movie that a
> >> horizontal line appears at the top.
> >>
> >
> > I did notice this as well but with a version built from the git
repository.
> > AFAICT, this is a refresh/v-sync related bug (like tearing but always
> > occuring at the same place).
> > Anyway, I don't think this is Arch related (nor AMD as I am using an
Intel
> > iGPU).
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > C?dric
>
> Not sure if this is Maykel's problem exactly ("horizontal line" isn't
> very descriptive), but for the tearing see:
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=176651
>
> --
> Regards,
> Wayne

I refered a travelling....

From eduardo.machado at gmail.com  Wed May 28 22:30:23 2014
From: eduardo.machado at gmail.com (Eduardo Machado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:30:23 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] CA certifcates
Message-ID: <CAKXVDZfgEhhBC4iVnhKwTbkkGm35iBrBqn3xSJ-9VDUip=9pPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

some months ago i needed to setup a Certificate Authority and add it's root
certificate to the client machines, so i figured out and added the CA
certificate to /usr/share/ca-certificates, edited the
/etc/ca-certificates.conf to reflect this and them run
"update-ca-certificates --fresh --verbose".

this added the CA to the SSL certs and generated the file with all the
certificates in /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt

So when i used Firefox and Chrome, it reflected this and the server
certificate was validated.

But... This week, after a system upgrade both Firefox and Chrome, stopped
to reflect this, even after i did all the above process again.

Firefox and Chrome are not using the ca-certificates package? Is there a
way to do what i'm trying to do (a central point to manage certificates for
all apps, especially browsers)?

And, a last question, is there a way to run a script after a specific
package upgrade?

Thanks,
---
   Eduardo M. Machado

From siosm99 at gmail.com  Thu May 29 04:30:46 2014
From: siosm99 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGltb3Row6llIFJhdmllcg==?=)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 10:30:46 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] CA certifcates
In-Reply-To: <CAKXVDZfgEhhBC4iVnhKwTbkkGm35iBrBqn3xSJ-9VDUip=9pPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKXVDZfgEhhBC4iVnhKwTbkkGm35iBrBqn3xSJ-9VDUip=9pPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5386F036.40408@gmail.com>

On 29/05/2014 04:30, Eduardo Machado wrote:
> But... This week, after a system upgrade both Firefox and Chrome,
> stopped to reflect this, even after i did all the above process
> again.
> 
> Firefox and Chrome are not using the ca-certificates package? Is 
> there a way to do what i'm trying to do (a central point to manage 
> certificates for all apps, especially browsers)?

Fedora has been working on something close to what you'd want: one place
to manage all certificates:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SharedSystemCertificates

I don't know how hard it would be integrate this into Arch Linux.

> And, a last question, is there a way to run a script after a
> specific package upgrade?

I think this has been discussed at some point but this hasn't been
implemented yet as far as I remember.

-- 
Timoth?e Ravier

From gagnon88 at gmail.com  Thu May 29 13:08:15 2014
From: gagnon88 at gmail.com (Denis Gagnon)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:08:15 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] qt3 PKGBUILD
Message-ID: <CAA6YyBKVunH0WDVMdWJimZDFoivU3FE7fsHu7X7ykg3hCz7Ptg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everybody

It seems qt3 (https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=qt3) has been removed
from the [extra] repository. Some packages in the AUR still depend on it
though, such as https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pdfedit/. Would it be
possible to get the latest PKGBUILD so that qt3 can be uploaded on the AUR ?

Thanks!

-- 
Denis G.
<gagnon88 at gmail.com>

From scimmia at archlinux.info  Thu May 29 13:25:40 2014
From: scimmia at archlinux.info (Doug Newgard)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 12:25:40 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] qt3 PKGBUILD
In-Reply-To: <CAA6YyBKVunH0WDVMdWJimZDFoivU3FE7fsHu7X7ykg3hCz7Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA6YyBKVunH0WDVMdWJimZDFoivU3FE7fsHu7X7ykg3hCz7Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eb8ce100df15628474652166cc435f78@archlinux.info>

On 2014-05-29 12:08, Denis Gagnon wrote:
> Hello everybody
> 
> It seems qt3 (https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=qt3) has been 
> removed
> from the [extra] repository. Some packages in the AUR still depend on 
> it
> though, such as https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pdfedit/. Would it 
> be
> possible to get the latest PKGBUILD so that qt3 can be uploaded on the 
> AUR ?
> 
> Thanks!

Through the magic of Git: 
https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/qt3/trunk?id=fa9985a49dd58c1708fb489986a1a4966cd291c6

From eyeswide at gmail.com  Thu May 29 13:28:24 2014
From: eyeswide at gmail.com (Jonathan Frazier)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:28:24 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] qt3 PKGBUILD
In-Reply-To: <CAA6YyBKVunH0WDVMdWJimZDFoivU3FE7fsHu7X7ykg3hCz7Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA6YyBKVunH0WDVMdWJimZDFoivU3FE7fsHu7X7ykg3hCz7Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140529172823.GA3328@tyche.lan>

On 05/29/14 at 01:08pm, Denis Gagnon wrote:
> Hello everybody
> 
> It seems qt3 (https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=qt3) has been removed
> from the [extra] repository. Some packages in the AUR still depend on it
> though, such as https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pdfedit/. Would it be
> possible to get the latest PKGBUILD so that qt3 can be uploaded on the AUR ?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Denis G.
> <gagnon88 at gmail.com>

here is the last version.
https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/qt3/trunk?id=fa9985a49dd58c1708fb489986a1a4966cd291c6

John

From gagnon88 at gmail.com  Thu May 29 14:09:57 2014
From: gagnon88 at gmail.com (Denis Gagnon)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 14:09:57 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] qt3 PKGBUILD
In-Reply-To: <20140529172823.GA3328@tyche.lan>
References: <CAA6YyBKVunH0WDVMdWJimZDFoivU3FE7fsHu7X7ykg3hCz7Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140529172823.GA3328@tyche.lan>
Message-ID: <CAA6YyB+sU7iRvAZMd35bAzWTTRaTmFOzRiy-U4vdyhF611q+ZA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot!
Le 29 mai 2014 13:28, "Jonathan Frazier" <eyeswide at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> On 05/29/14 at 01:08pm, Denis Gagnon wrote:
> > Hello everybody
> >
> > It seems qt3 (https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=qt3) has been
> removed
> > from the [extra] repository. Some packages in the AUR still depend on it
> > though, such as https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pdfedit/. Would it be
> > possible to get the latest PKGBUILD so that qt3 can be uploaded on the
> AUR ?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Denis G.
> > <gagnon88 at gmail.com>
>
> here is the last version.
>
> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/qt3/trunk?id=fa9985a49dd58c1708fb489986a1a4966cd291c6
>
> John
>

From eduardo.machado at gmail.com  Thu May 29 23:15:52 2014
From: eduardo.machado at gmail.com (Eduardo Machado)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 00:15:52 -0300
Subject: [arch-general] CA certifcates
In-Reply-To: <5386F036.40408@gmail.com>
References: <CAKXVDZfgEhhBC4iVnhKwTbkkGm35iBrBqn3xSJ-9VDUip=9pPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5386F036.40408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKXVDZctz62ySr0X6cU3VHtKsM8nJrEbLsrmtV4SHNQ8KNea2w@mail.gmail.com>

2014-05-29 5:30 GMT-03:00 Timoth?e Ravier <siosm99 at gmail.com>:

> On 29/05/2014 04:30, Eduardo Machado wrote:
> > But... This week, after a system upgrade both Firefox and Chrome,
> > stopped to reflect this, even after i did all the above process
> > again.
> >
> > Firefox and Chrome are not using the ca-certificates package? Is
> > there a way to do what i'm trying to do (a central point to manage
> > certificates for all apps, especially browsers)?
>
> Fedora has been working on something close to what you'd want: one place
> to manage all certificates:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SharedSystemCertificates
>
> I don't know how hard it would be integrate this into Arch Linux.
>

I will study this so i can help. Anyone already looking into this?

But what was strange for me was that doing the steps i listed above it
worked at Arch some months ago...

Do you know where Firefox or Chrome look for this list of CA certs?


>
> > And, a last question, is there a way to run a script after a
> > specific package upgrade?
>
> I think this has been discussed at some point but this hasn't been
> implemented yet as far as I remember.
>
> --
> Timoth?e Ravier
>

Thanks for the answer.

From krejzi at email.com  Fri May 30 04:59:01 2014
From: krejzi at email.com (Armin K.)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 10:59:01 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] CA certifcates
In-Reply-To: <CAKXVDZctz62ySr0X6cU3VHtKsM8nJrEbLsrmtV4SHNQ8KNea2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKXVDZfgEhhBC4iVnhKwTbkkGm35iBrBqn3xSJ-9VDUip=9pPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5386F036.40408@gmail.com>
 <CAKXVDZctz62ySr0X6cU3VHtKsM8nJrEbLsrmtV4SHNQ8KNea2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53884855.4030605@email.com>

On 05/30/2014 05:15 AM, Eduardo Machado wrote:
> 2014-05-29 5:30 GMT-03:00 Timoth?e Ravier <siosm99 at gmail.com>:
> 
>> On 29/05/2014 04:30, Eduardo Machado wrote:
>>> But... This week, after a system upgrade both Firefox and Chrome,
>>> stopped to reflect this, even after i did all the above process
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Firefox and Chrome are not using the ca-certificates package? Is
>>> there a way to do what i'm trying to do (a central point to manage
>>> certificates for all apps, especially browsers)?
>>
>> Fedora has been working on something close to what you'd want: one place
>> to manage all certificates:
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SharedSystemCertificates
>>
>> I don't know how hard it would be integrate this into Arch Linux.
>>
> 
> I will study this so i can help. Anyone already looking into this?
> 
> But what was strange for me was that doing the steps i listed above it
> worked at Arch some months ago...
> 
> Do you know where Firefox or Chrome look for this list of CA certs?
> 
> 

Firefox uses certificates from NSS database which is I believe compiled
into NSS library (the same file is used to generate most if not all of
ca-certificates though). I presume chrome/ium does the same.

>>
>>> And, a last question, is there a way to run a script after a
>>> specific package upgrade?
>>
>> I think this has been discussed at some point but this hasn't been
>> implemented yet as far as I remember.
>>
>> --
>> Timoth?e Ravier
>>
> 
> Thanks for the answer.
> 


-- 
Note: My last name is not Krejzi.

From heikobecker92 at gmail.com  Fri May 30 11:52:00 2014
From: heikobecker92 at gmail.com (Heiko Becker)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 17:52:00 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Recommended reading for Shell expansion mechanism
Message-ID: <5388A920.7050809@gmail.com>

Hi all,

as I'm trying to give shell programming and things like that a start, I 
have a short question related to the shell expansion:

I heard that it is possible to exclude things after using a wildcard 
like ./* for every file in the current directory. Am I right or did I 
misunderstand something? Is there some place on the internet where I can 
find things about expansions and such operations of the shell?

Thanks in advance,

Heiko

From bigby.james at crepcran.com  Fri May 30 13:21:20 2014
From: bigby.james at crepcran.com (Bigby James)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 12:21:20 -0500
Subject: [arch-general] Recommended reading for Shell expansion mechanism
In-Reply-To: <5388A920.7050809@gmail.com>
References: <5388A920.7050809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140530172120.GA3002@crepcran.com>

On 05/30, Heiko Becker wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> as I'm trying to give shell programming and things like that a start, I have
> a short question related to the shell expansion:
> 
> I heard that it is possible to exclude things after using a wildcard like
> ./* for every file in the current directory. Am I right or did I
> misunderstand something? Is there some place on the internet where I can
> find things about expansions and such operations of the shell?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Heiko

If Bash is what you're trying to learn, I'd recommend following Greg's Wiki.[1]
The section on patterns and globbing has what you're looking for.[2]

[1]: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[2]: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Patterns



From claudelepoisson at gmail.com  Fri May 30 22:47:19 2014
From: claudelepoisson at gmail.com (Alexandre de Verteuil)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 22:47:19 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Recommended reading for Shell expansion mechanism
In-Reply-To: <20140530172120.GA3002@crepcran.com>
References: <5388A920.7050809@gmail.com> <20140530172120.GA3002@crepcran.com>
Message-ID: <20140531024719.GA9671@gmail.com>

> On 05/30, Heiko Becker wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > as I'm trying to give shell programming and things like that a start, I have
> > a short question related to the shell expansion:
> > 
> > I heard that it is possible to exclude things after using a wildcard like
> > ./* for every file in the current directory. Am I right or did I
> > misunderstand something? Is there some place on the internet where I can
> > find things about expansions and such operations of the shell?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Heiko

* Bigby James <bigby.james at crepcran.com> [2014-05-30 12:21] :
> If Bash is what you're trying to learn, I'd recommend following Greg's Wiki.[1]
> The section on patterns and globbing has what you're looking for.[2]
> 
> [1]: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
> [2]: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Patterns

Hi,

I found the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide extremely valuable.
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/

You might be interested in these particular parts :
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/pathmanagement.html
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html

Regards,

-- 
Alexandre de Verteuil <claudelepoisson at gmail.com>
public key ID : 0xDD237C00
http://alexandre.deverteuil.net/

From heikobecker92 at gmail.com  Sat May 31 04:29:43 2014
From: heikobecker92 at gmail.com (Heiko Becker)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 10:29:43 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Recommended reading for Shell expansion mechanism
In-Reply-To: <20140531024719.GA9671@gmail.com>
References: <5388A920.7050809@gmail.com> <20140530172120.GA3002@crepcran.com>
 <20140531024719.GA9671@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <538992F7.8050600@gmail.com>


Am 31.05.2014 04:47, schrieb Alexandre de Verteuil:
>> On 05/30, Heiko Becker wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> as I'm trying to give shell programming and things like that a start, I have
>>> a short question related to the shell expansion:
>>>
>>> I heard that it is possible to exclude things after using a wildcard like
>>> ./* for every file in the current directory. Am I right or did I
>>> misunderstand something? Is there some place on the internet where I can
>>> find things about expansions and such operations of the shell?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Heiko
> * Bigby James <bigby.james at crepcran.com> [2014-05-30 12:21] :
>> If Bash is what you're trying to learn, I'd recommend following Greg's Wiki.[1]
>> The section on patterns and globbing has what you're looking for.[2]
>>
>> [1]: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
>> [2]: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Patterns
> Hi,
>
> I found the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide extremely valuable.
> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
>
> You might be interested in these particular parts :
> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/pathmanagement.html
> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html
>
> Regards,
>


Hey,

thank you everyone. That was exactly what I was looking for and did not 
find. :D

Wish you a nice weekend.

Best regards,

Heiko

From yamakaky at yamaworld.fr  Sat May 31 04:32:17 2014
From: yamakaky at yamaworld.fr (Yamakaky)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 10:32:17 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Recommended reading for Shell expansion mechanism
In-Reply-To: <538992F7.8050600@gmail.com>
References: <5388A920.7050809@gmail.com> <20140530172120.GA3002@crepcran.com>
 <20140531024719.GA9671@gmail.com> <538992F7.8050600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53899391.4060102@yamaworld.fr>

> That was exactly what I was looking for

It's not exactly what you requested, but you should test zsh. I think 
it's much better than bash.

From heikobecker92 at gmail.com  Sat May 31 04:33:58 2014
From: heikobecker92 at gmail.com (Heiko Becker)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 10:33:58 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Recommended reading for Shell expansion mechanism
In-Reply-To: <53899391.4060102@yamaworld.fr>
References: <5388A920.7050809@gmail.com> <20140530172120.GA3002@crepcran.com>
 <20140531024719.GA9671@gmail.com> <538992F7.8050600@gmail.com>
 <53899391.4060102@yamaworld.fr>
Message-ID: <538993F6.6020100@gmail.com>


Am 31.05.2014 10:32, schrieb Yamakaky:
>> That was exactly what I was looking for
>
> It's not exactly what you requested, but you should test zsh. I think 
> it's much better than bash.

Using zsh with grml config ^^

Maybe then I misspelled my request because I found what I was looking for :D

Best regards,

Heiko

From tjolitz at gmail.com  Sat May 31 06:12:55 2014
From: tjolitz at gmail.com (Thorsten Jolitz)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 12:12:55 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] After gnutls update on 30-05-2014 `M-x gnus' crashes
	Emacs
Message-ID: <87tx8645p4.fsf@gmail.com>


Hi List, 

the gnutls version created at Fr 30 May 2014 15:25:49 makes Gnus
unusable for me, since calling `M-x gnus' crashes Emacs with a Segfault
(not immediately, but in the process of updating groups). I experience
this after updating at 22:42:03 yesterday. Otherwise, Emacs works fine.

Since Gnus is such a vital tool, it would be nice if this is addressed
soon. Thanks.

-- 
cheers,
Thorsten



From tjolitz at gmail.com  Sat May 31 07:24:46 2014
From: tjolitz at gmail.com (Thorsten Jolitz)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 13:24:46 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] After gnutls update on 30-05-2014 `M-x gnus'
	crashes Emacs
References: <87tx8645p4.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <877g52ry0x.fsf@gmail.com>

Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi List, 
>
> the gnutls version created at Fr 30 May 2014 15:25:49 makes Gnus
> unusable for me, since calling `M-x gnus' crashes Emacs with a Segfault
> (not immediately, but in the process of updating groups). I experience
> this after updating at 22:42:03 yesterday. Otherwise, Emacs works fine.
>
> Since Gnus is such a vital tool, it would be nice if this is addressed
> soon. Thanks.

FYI: updating to

,----------------------------------------------------
| Name           : gnutls
| Version              : 3.3.4-1
| Erstellt am          : Sa 31 Mai 2014 11:36:09 CEST
`----------------------------------------------------

fixes this issue.

-- 
cheers,
Thorsten


From guillaume at archlinux.org  Sat May 31 16:24:02 2014
From: guillaume at archlinux.org (Guillaume ALAUX)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 22:24:02 +0200
Subject: [arch-general] Java 8
In-Reply-To: <CABAOfS-6U2BV5w2q3aazkcHqvBcSbkV3YCMpu1C3aWyCbcB99w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAHKNRGHidMULgLkGmdBzrYXSgz-MBHFrcYWxkHEW5ASS2gUVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABAOfS-6U2BV5w2q3aazkcHqvBcSbkV3YCMpu1C3aWyCbcB99w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABAOfS9hp7LXVHLWF7XN_irNZESLWDA339oJxhK3RBQEA62kxA@mail.gmail.com>

On 29 March 2014 01:02, Guillaume ALAUX <guillaume at archlinux.org> wrote:
>
> On 28 March 2014 18:30, Caleb Cushing <xenoterracide at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm just wondering what the plan is, if any,  for getting java 8
> > packages into arch?
> >
> > --
> > Caleb Cushing
> >
> > http://xenoterracide.com
> >
> > Calendar:
> > https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=xenoterracide%40gmail.com&ctz=America/Chicago
>
> Hello,
>
> There is no official Java 8 package in Arch Linux because the OpenJDK
> we provide uses the IcedTea [0] but unfortunately IcedTea has no
> stable version available **yet** for Java 8. More details about
> IcedTea roadmap here [1]. So the plan (for me at least) is to wait for
> IcedTea 3.0 that will support Java 8. Shipping a "vanilla" OpenJDK8
> into extra (possibly from the binaries provided by Oracle) could be an
> option in the meantime.
>
> [0] http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page
> [1] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/distro-pkg-dev/2014-March/026727.html
>
> --
> Guillaume

Hi Caleb, hi everyone,

People interested in available JDK in Arch Linux can test this
experimental unofficial repository [0] in which lie packages for
OpenJDK7, OpenJDK8 and Oracle JRE/JDK 8 that do not conflict with each
other. They come with a set of "meta" packages that hold common files
as well as a simple script "archlinux-java" that enables to switch
default JDKs. Use of this script is optional as it only modifies the
following link "/usr/lib/jvm/java-default-runtime": this can easily be
done by hand.

Issues, remarks, feedback and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[0] http://pkgbuild.com/~guillaume/repos/jdk/

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Guillaume

From mark at markelee.com  Sat May 31 18:05:05 2014
From: mark at markelee.com (Mark Lee)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 18:05:05 -0400
Subject: [arch-general] Linphone TLS cannot start on Port 50656
Message-ID: <538A5211.7020504@markelee.com>

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Salutations,

I recently installed linphone and found I would get an error on startup:
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Could not start tls transport on port 50656, maybe this port is already
used.
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Several things there, I thought SIP with TLS usually used port 5061.
Furthermore, upon inspection the linphone is not compiled with the flag
"with-ssl" in the PKGBUILD. I added that flag myself, but still get the
same error. Any idea what's going on with the TLS transport?

Regards,
Mark
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