[arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on aWindows8 UEFI laptop

[Alan E. Davis]

I am way past confused about these issues.

I have installed Archlinux on a partition, with a home partition.  I just
cannot boot into it.  I was able to boot into the USB flash drive.  I never
saw any messages about UEFI or legacy.  I had already installed Ubuntu
2014.04, botched the partitioning, but it is possible to boot into it by
way of a kludge that my 12 year old son discovered when he installed Ubuntu
on his Lenovo Idea Pad: by backing out, each windows boot, into a boot menu
that has the Ubuntu setup listed.

The ubuntu setup was installed as if by magical accident.  It just
installed.  I hed checked if it is a UEFI system by running a command in
Windows: it is.

After installing Ubuintu, I disabled secure boot.

I have more interesting things to do than spend a week to try to understand
this convoluted maze of acronyms and permutations of features.

It took me years to get used to GRUB2 having a complicated web of editable
(thought almost unreadable, to me) files and scripts.  This goes waaaay
betong that.

I appreciate the efforts of the people here on the Arch Linux mailing list
to help.  I will certainly ask more questions when I get the nerve to try
again (or grow tired of Ubuntu again).   I need a complicated series of
capabilities, so perhaps the fact that they mostly work ok under Ubuntu is
a blessing, and the Arch experiment will come later.

Alan Davis


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:

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> On 05/02/2014 02:09 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > Thank you for the several comments.
> >
> > I don't see any smaller boot menu button.  And this ultrabook has no CD
> > drive.  I was able to boot the Arch iso, and install right up to  the
> Boot
> > Manager step.  If I could boot straight into that partition from a USB
> > drive, that would be great.
> >
> > Several times I have stumbled into nooks and crannies, where, for
> example,
> > that USB flash drive booted right up.
> >
> > This is on my agenda, in the near future.  RIght now I'm reading up on
> > these multiple issues.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/02/2014 12:17 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >>>> I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard <scimmia at archlinux.info>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Salutations,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch
> or
> >>>>>> Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the
> >>>>>> option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot
> >>>>>> managers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Man k
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 9:09 PM
> >>>>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <
> arch-general at archlinux.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on
> >>>>>> aWindows8 UEFI laptop
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I may not have said that I want to dual boot.  I do need to do so.
>  If
> > I
> >>>>>> boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot?
> >>>>>> (Actually triple boot for the time being.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alan Davis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee <mark at markelee.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Salutations,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi
> boot
> >>>>>>> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root,
> > home).
> >>>>>>> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then
> > install
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can
> boot
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I
> > would
> >>>>>>> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the
> > vmlinuz-Linux
> >>>>>>> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch
> iso,
> > you
> >>>>>>> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what
> entries
> > you
> >>>>>>> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type
> something
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>> this : efibootmgr -d <efi disk id ( probably /dev/sda) -p
> <parition #
> >>>>>>> (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u
> >>>>>>> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet"
> -w.
> > You
> >>>>>>> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into
> Arch
> >>>>>>> Linux.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 8:07 PM
> >>>>>>> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <
> arch-general at archlinux.org
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu
> on a
> >>>>>>> Windows8 UEFI laptop
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run
> the
> >>>>>>> entry."   I'm sorry.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm going to try again later.  In fact, I may take the undesireable
> > step
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install
> > Arch
> >>>>>>> Linux these days.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's
> latest
> >>>>>>> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand,
> I do
> >>>>>>> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you very much.  I am willing to give it one more try.  I
> might
> > even
> >>>>>>> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu
> has
> >>>>>>> done.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you again,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alan Davis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay <
> danielmicay at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I took a chance, and nothing happened.   I installed gummiboot on
> >>>>>>> /boot,
> >>>>>>>>> where the kernel was.  But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a
> >>>>>>> boot
> >>>>>>>> menu
> >>>>>>>>> from there, and boot ubuntu.  Not Arch.  Yet.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for now.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff
> > mounted)
> >>>>>>>> or the fallback entry (if you didn't).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've
> broken
> >>>>> this thread alone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on
> that
> >>>>> here.
> >>>>>
> >
> > Salutations,
> >
> > The last time I checked, I had issues with booting UEFI Arch Linux iso
> > off a usb stick. Try a cd if you can.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
> >>
>
> Salutations,
>
> If you can install grub on a usb stick point and write an entry for Arch
> Linux in grub that'd work.
>
> Meanwhile, do you have an external usb cd/dvd drive? You could try using
> that if you do.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
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