[arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

Henrik Danielsson h.danielsson at gmail.com
Fri Feb 12 19:28:33 UTC 2016

> >.... when the (in MHO excellent) choice to package systemd by default has
> > already been made and it works perfectly well?
> I never said systemd shouldn't be packaged by default!

Apologies, poor wording on my part. That wasn't meant to imply you ever
did. I understood you wanted an alternative, not a replacement. I meant
more to emphasize that they only wanted one init system by default and the
reasoning for denying your request just seemed clear and simple.

> > If something was removed from the Wiki for "no good reason", just add it
> > back, or put systemd-free.org up as a reference and be done with it.
> Someone already talked about putting it back in the forums. They were
> turned down because of those points («no reason for 2 methods», etc.).

So, a decision was made that one method was better than the other by
someone who felt confident enough to remove the other one. I would
personally prefer if there was only one method listed if I was to ever
attempt such a big task myself, so that's fine by me.
I have no experience with either method so in the technicalities about
which metod was better I will trust the person who made the call. If I knew
the removed method had major advantages, I would either add the information
back and make the [dis]advantages of them clearer, and perhaps include some
guidance to why the reader gets to see two methods. Or, put the information
somewhere else and add the link instead.

This among other things (which are evident in any discussion in Arch
> about OpenRC) signals a bad community.

Being told the reason for removal is that the wiki should be focused on one
way to accomplish things isn't a sign of a bad community. It's a sign that
people care about the wiki stays being focused on offering a clear way to
accomplish something.

> There were many great users that
> stopped using Arch because of this, it is a problem that needs to be
> recognized.

I don't personally know anyone else using Arch, or anyone who ever did, so
I can't tell why they stopped using Arch.
If they stopped using Arch because of a disagreement with the distribution
maintainers' decisions, they've likely stopped for the same reason anyone
else ever stopped using a distribution. The maintainers' decisions take the
distribution to where it's going, more or less influenced by user opinions.
If your opinions aren't matched, you leave. Nothing more to it. If there
was an argument of some kind (I really have no idea since I don't care),
that's between those parties.

I don't anything near this kind of attitude, say, in Gentoo
> mailing lists.

I have no experience with the Gentoo lists either, but I doubt this list is
any different in tone as it's pretty much the same anywhere you go, online
or offline. It's perhaps not not overly friendly and more to the point than
some other things I follow, but I don't see any reason to read more into
what anyone writes here than that.

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