[arch-general] Install Archlinux on HP Elitebook
darose at darose.net
Sun Dec 24 17:43:51 UTC 2017
On 2017-12-22 1:14 pm, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
> On 12/20/2017 09:45 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
>> More of a workaround than a solution, but I stopped using grub
>> altogether once they upgraded to grub2. (The complexity of the grub2
>> config file as compared to the simplicity of the grub-legacy menu.lst
>> file is what eventually turned me away.) I've started using syslinux
>> recent years, and have been quite happy with it.
> Kind of offtopic for this thread, but "the grub2 config file is too
> complex" is not actually a valid reason to stop using grub... because
> isn't even true in the first place.
... in your opinion.
> Oh, wait. None of those have any such tool, and you are *required* to
> write your own handwritten config. :p
Usually an example/stub config file is provided, which makes it very
easy to adapt it to your needs.
> And in fact, you can do the same exact thing with grub2 as well!
> Consider my grub.cfg reproduced below, or Earnestly's example grub.cfg
> at https://ptpb.pw/mk7y (courtesy of #archlinux on freenode):
> Consider the simplicity of this grub.cfg. A couple simple variable
> for setting colors and timeout, then the dead-simple menuentry for
> booting, replicated a couple times for each kernel/initramfs I have.
Perhaps it's possible to hand-author a grub2 cfg to look like this. But
whenever I went to edit a grub2 cfg on one of the systems I administer
it always looked like a massive, complex bash script.
Even the grub.cfg that Arch ships reads more like a shell script than a
And I've seen grub.cfg files on other machines (mostly redhat-oriented)
that run into thousands of lines.
> I hate when people spread this misinformed FUD about grub, but I
> it is largely grub's fault for encouraging the use of beginner tools
> making it seem intimidating to even learn how it works. :(
Not misinformation, or FUD, just a difference of opinion. In my opinion
- and in my experience - the grub legacy menu.lst and the syslinux.cfg
scripts are short, simple, and very easy to understand while the grub2
config scripts I've run into are extremely long, complicated, and hard
> Hmm, I think I will invest the time in updating the Wiki page. This
> travesty cannot continue, I must make sure people are well-informed.
I welcome any effort you make in trying to make the grub config simpler
and more understandable. I have no inherent bias against the tool, and
would be open to using it if I felt that it was becoming as easy to use
as grub-legacy or syslinux.
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