[arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

[Jude DaShiell]

A temporary ethernet connection in another location likely will work 
with sufficient download privileges.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:21:49
> From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> To: "arch-general at archlinux.org" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> Cc: Junayeed Ahnaf <nirjhor at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO
> 
> How can I install dialog when I don't have wifi?
>
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> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com<mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>> wrote:
>
> try the -o switch with wifi-menu is helpful and make sure you already have
> the dialog package installed before you run wifi-menu.  On Mon, 24 Jul
> 2017, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:54:02
> From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> To: "arch-general at archlinux.org" <arch-general at archlinux.org>
> Cc: Junayeed Ahnaf <nirjhor at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO
>
> I've installed ArchLinux on 3 desktops so far, and I've done them
> successfully, so I must have *RTFM* , I was just wondering why is it
> hard to configure wifi. Since I failed to configure wifi with
> wpa_supplicant. I'll try with wifi-menu today, and report progress.
>
>
> No need to be so aggressive man.
>
>
> On 07/24/2017 01:48 PM, Robert Wong via arch-general wrote:
> A general Arch installation is nothing but a minimal set
> of GNU/Linux system with a package manager, which
> can be configured into anything. I'm not going any
> further for you have made yourself clear that you
> haven't done your research. Offensive as it can be, I'd
> say *RTFM*.
>
> PS: It's apparently navie to say sth like Arch is nothing
> but a desktop for archlinux.org<http://archlinux.org> itself runs on Arch Linux.
>
>
> RW
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO
> From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general
> To: arch-general at archlinux.org
> CC: Junayeed Ahnaf
>
> All fine and good but I don't see arch being installed on something
> other than desktop/laptop. Of course there are niche cases as arch
> server I do not doubt but how much of arch install base is traditional
> desktop? I think it's rather high.
>
>
> On 07/24/2017 01:30 PM, ITwrx.org<http://ITwrx.org> wrote:
> On 07/24/2017 12:30 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:
> Why is there no NetworkManager in ArchISO?
> Arch Linux is not like desktop focused distributions. Therefore, it's
> ISO does not come with "everything but the kitchen sink" where you have
> a turn-key desktop after running a GUI installer or install script. It
> has the base set of software you need to assemble what you need for your
> given install target.
>
> Isn't it widely accepted as
> the go to method of connecting to internet in Linux?
> No, not in general like that. Network manager is primarily used for
> network management with desktop environments, most commonly Gnome, as
> the other respondent noted. Arch Linux is used in many different ways,
> not only for the desktop.
>
> Is there any reason
> for it not to be default?
> The defaults for the ISO would generally be the simpler options, and
> less likely to be something large with a lot of dependencies.  Also,
> minimalist ISOs were the norm rather than the exception in years past
> and for Reasons. They still are in some cases or with some distros.
> Also, there are not always application defaults with Arch Linux like you
> might have with a desktop distro. Arch is "DIY/build your own and choose
> your own defaults (for the most part)" type of distro.
>
>

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