[arch-general] No login after update

[Yaro Kasear]

On 8/19/20 2:48 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:
> Em agosto 19, 2020 16:37 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
>>
>> I've always questioned the wisdom of dropping a .pacnew just when the
>> file is different from the default. There's really no reason for it
>> considering any changes you made were deliberate and presumably thought
>> out. The end result is pacman cluttering /etc with a default
>> configuration file whose only reason for existing is to, if it's used,
>> clear settings. Why?
>>
>
> The .pacnew is there to indicate that something new exists, or that
> you changed
> something. Most of the time you can remove .pacnew files, but not
> always. Also,
> it's only "cluttering" /etc (and /boot, btw), if you don't handle them.
>
>> What pacman SHOULD do is compare /etc files between package versions and
>> see if there's a change BETWEEN DEFAULTS. *Then* there's an actual
>> reason to need a new default config file for the user to examine because
>> then there's an actual indicator some meaningful change in default
>> configuration or how the package handles configs happened.
>>
>
> That's way beyond the scope of a package manager, and also, there's no
> way
> to tell what "DEFAULTS" (why caps?) should be.
Caps for emphasis is all.
>
>> All most pacnew files wind up doing is sitting there for thirty seconds
>> before being deleted without anyone even opening them because they're
>> literally just what the file was before the user ALREADY changed it
>> before... because it's utterly useless to get a default config file when
>> you've intentionally changed it and there's nothing in the new version
>> of the package that calls for an examination of the defaults.
>>
>
> I don't know why you said that .pacnew sits for thirty seconds before
> being
> deleted. Are you using a hook that does this? Because nothing handles
> them
> automatically, that's the user's job. There are tools to aid in doing
> that,
> but in the end the user should know what to apply, and what to discard.
I wasn't being literal about thirty seconds. Exaggerating.
>
> Regards,
> Giancarlo Razzolini

Yaro


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