[arch-releng] RC1 ISOs and final release

[cinan6 at gmail.com]

On 02/10/2009 08:45 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 08:28:28PM +0100, cinan6 at gmail.com wrote:
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>> On 02/10/2009 05:54 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:
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>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 06:42:48PM +0200, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:
>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:19:29AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Gerhard Brauer<gerbra at archlinux.de>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have a proposition on the current RC1 and the final release phase:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the current state of the documentation is the real problem not to
>>>>>> release the ISO - hell, let's remove ALL documentation from THIS
>>>>>> release. We have not an official ISO release since 2008.06 and now
>>>>>> someone found a "yaourt" in the docu!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO: the RC1 is in release state from technical state. Let's build the
>>>>>> final without docu (i guess not many people will ever need them really)
>>>>>> and fix the last minor things (typo in /etc/issue, etc.).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          *** And release it.  **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we switch to aif next release the docu must rewritten again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>> Good point, and I agree 100%. I will make sure we add a note to the
>>>>> release notes that documentation has been removed because it is
>>>>> severely outdated. I will point them to the wiki page, updated with
>>>>> dolby's changes, and suggest saving or printing or something if they
>>>>> need offline docs - does this sound good?
>>>>>
>>>>> Though, if I grabbed dolby's changes right now, and removed the
>>>>> beginners guide, will that put us in a better state?
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> With or without docs, i dont know whats best. But since the version of
>>>> the guide im working on is mostly the same but shorter at this point,
>>>> if its decided to include docs, just include the ones available in the
>>>> installer.git now, with a note that its outdated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Or what Aaron  said . The new guide is updated in some parts. Maybe it
>>> would be better to include that one. I dont really know. Just if you do
>>> make sure to get it from the git repo i posted in BR #13140.
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> Hi guys,
>> I think you could include just one part - how to set up network.
>> Everything else is on wiki, so users can look there. I suppose Arch
>> users aren't total beginners and they know how to use elinks.
>>      
>
> You mean besides the setup network part during FTP/HTTP installation and
> rc.conf ?
>    
Yop. Just this part: 3. Select Source-->3.2 FTP/HTTP -->3.2.1 Setup 
Network (and 3.2.2 Choose Mirror).
> Heres how the guide looks now.
> http://github.com/grbzks/install-guide/raw/074d47eaed7ddb1449476c0d12675548648a985a/arch-linux-official-guide.txt
> Suggestions welcome.
>
>    
My idea: _First_, set up network. _Then_ print something like that: "For 
help see ...(page on internet)" and continue in installation.
What is so difficult during installation? There's nice ncurses 
interface. User just chooses options and he doesn't need to type 
anything if he wants (of course it depends on computer etc...). And 
everything could be set up after installation.
The question is: who uses this distro? If advanced users (= not 
beginners) then short form guide OK.