[arch-releng] Iso tests

Dieter Plaetinck dieter at plaetinck.be
Wed Jun 15 04:00:58 EDT 2011

Victory !!!

On Mon, 16 May 2011 22:22:30 +0200
Dieter Plaetinck <dieter at plaetinck.be> wrote:

> On Sun, 15 May 2011 11:04:32 -0500
> Dan McGee <dpmcgee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why on earth does the one person doing admin on this app even need a
> > link for this? The admin is always at /admin/. We don't do this
> > anywhere else, so I see no need to do it here...
> IMHO it's good practice to make these things explicit.  I always
> expect a web application to provide links for its subpages and
> sections, it's mostly intuitive reasoning but I'll try to explain
> some arguments.
> Say I do not do any Arch stuff for a year, and I forget the admin is
> on /admin (or forget where any page is, for that matter), and then
> when I get back in business, I can just look at the menu / links
> section to see which pages exist and what I can do. [*].  I probably
> won't really forget after only a year, but I like the "luxury" of not
> _needing_ to remember (and hence needlessly occupy space in my
> memory) these things.
> Also, say we add $new_dev to the releng group.
> If the link is on the page for $new_dev to see, he can clearly
> explore what he can do and will need little clarifications. If it's
> not, we will definitely forget to mention it, and a month later
> $new_dev will ask "hey, how do you change this or that? I have been
> looking around but can't find it", then we need to reply with a link
> to the admin section and a mention "do not forget this". then imagine
> what happens if 2 more people join the releng team.
> or imagine what happens if somebody - without much django knowledge -
> clones the project and wants to run his own archweb instance, is he
> supposed to "just know"?  I really don't get what's wrong with a
> simple link to the admin section.
> [*] Similarly, I know you have a stats page somewhere with network
> traffic and such, but i always forget the url, and I don't think
> there is a link to it (or at least not one clearly visible).  I think
> individual developers should not be expected to remember the url or
> bookmark the page, rather a link should be made from
> http://www.archlinux.org/devel/
> Dieter

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