[aur-general] TU application - Kyle Keen

Daenyth Blank daenyth+arch at gmail.com
Tue Dec 7 17:19:16 CET 2010

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:16, Xyne <xyne at archlinux.ca> wrote:
> keenerd wrote:
>> Hello all.  I am applying to become a TU.  My sponsor is Xyne.
>> My name is Kyle Keen, though my handle for irc/bbs/the-last-12-years
>> has been Keenerd.  I've been using Arch for a while now, from back
>> when it was still known for refusing to package info files.  Before
>> that I did a wee bit of dev work for Puppy Linux.  I actually got a
>> bash gui app (yay xdialog) into the ISO but please don't look up the
>> code, it was my first bash script and is rather terrifying.  Lately I
>> am a 24 year old freelance electrical engineer and spend my days
>> writing C, my nights writing Python and during the twilight hours some
>> Bash.
>> Right now I host the bugbot in #archlinux-bugs and I've got a few AUR
>> packages(1).  Of them, ScrotWM and Slurm probably deserve to be in
>> [community].  I've written several well-liked metatools for Arch
>> including Pacgraph, Pacmatic, and Aurphan.  Aurphan is the main reason
>> for trying to apply.
>> Pierre requested a feature to cross check official packages as well as
>> the AUR(2).  I was a little shocked to find 35 official orphans on my
>> system.  Clearly, we are understaffed.  Arch has been nothing short of
>> amazing and I want to do what I can to help keep it going.  Other
>> goals include improving the maintenance tools and porting Arch to old
>> or cheap architectures.  I also mirrored the AUR for a while and have
>> a nearly complete copy of the old comments from before the Great Table
>> Drop that should be re-inserted.
>> Thanks for your consideration,
>>   Kyle
>> http://kmkeen.com
>> 1) http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=m&K=keenerd&SO=d&SB=v
>> 2) https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=108693
> The discussion period is nearly over but I have something that I want to bring
> up after reading though the nearly 100 new messages on aur-general.
> keenerd wrote:
>> If no one can think of a better way to deal with the nonconforming
>> packages, I'll write a bot to post insulting comments.  Personally, I
>> really like this solution.  The AUR has always had a wild west
>> frontier / insane asylum feel to it.  The less regulation, the better
>> it works.  But a few well placed suggestions could help make the two
>> thousand maintainers do a better job.
> Heiko Baums wrote:
>> Am Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:53:08 -0500
>> schrieb keenerd <keenerd at gmail.com>:
>> > > find /var/abs -name *.png | wc -l == 60
>> >
>> > Of +4800 packages, that is 1.2%.  The AUR is more than twice that
>> > rate.  But while we are running the numbers to determine best
>> > practices.....
>> This would be about 480000+ e-mails to users if your bot continues
>> writing those AUR comments. That's too many.
>> As I said before, please, don't do this. You can, of course, let such a
>> bot help you finding "bad" packages. But you have to verify its results
>> personally, before you write such AUR comments.
>> Such automations are usually pretty unreliable except they are written
>> very thoughtfully and are tested a lot.
>> And regarding the 1.2%... Don't trust any statistics you did not even
>> fake.
>> Heiko
> I'm a bit bothered by the way that you've handled this. You proceeded to write
> and launch the bot based on your personal interpretation of the rules without
> waiting for any definitive conclusion from the ongoing discussion about them.
> Comments aren't that big a deal, even if there will be many confused
> maintainers, but with TU status on the AUR you could do much more with
> disastrous consequences.
> Considering this and the still-ongoing discussion about the AUR guidelines, do
> you agree that it would be prudent to be more patient in the future and wait
> until we've come to a conclusion before going ahead with something like this
> again?

Wow he actually launched that bot? I thought it was a joke. It seemed
so stupid that I didn't think anyone would take it seriously. That
definitely opens up some other perspectives on the application...

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