[aur-general] ibus orphans in [community]

Rashif Ray Rahman schiv at archlinux.org
Tue Oct 16 14:42:27 EDT 2012

On 17 October 2012 02:05, Yichao Yu <yyc1992 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Yichao Yu <yyc1992 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman <schiv at archlinux.org> wrote:
>>> On 17 October 2012 00:55, Allen Li <cyberdupo56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I would like to point out that ibus does Japanese and Korean, whereas
>>>> fcitx only does simplified Chinese (at least according to the wiki).
>>>> Thus ibus is one of the only input options for those languages on arch
>>>> at the moment (barring that other one whose name I'm having trouble
>>>> recalling at the moment, which I found inferior to ibus), so dropping it
>>>> is extremely unfavorable I think.
>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>> Allen Li
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Alexander Rødseth wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> ibus is used for keyboard input for a few major non-English languages.
>>>>> Several of the ibus packages has been unmaintained for a while now:
>>>>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&repo=Community&q=ibus&maintainer=orphan
>>>>> For instance, ibus-sunpinyin, was last updated almost a year ago (2011-10-02).
>>>>> These ibus-packages have survived at least one package-cleanup, being
>>>>> neither adopted nor moved.
>>>>> While there is interest amongst the trusted users to maintain these,
>>>>> none of the trusted users are currently using ibus.
>>>>> After visiting #archlinux-cn, a couple of friendly people expressed
>>>>> interest in maintaining the ibus packages, but they had only few
>>>>> packages on AUR to show for.
>>>>> I also learned that mostly, fcitx (currently in [extra], is used
>>>>> instead of ibus). Dropping ibus could have been an option, but I also
>>>>> heard rumors that ibus will be a dependency of gnome-settings-daemon.
>>>>> There is also a canidate for asking to maintain the ibus packages,
>>>>> that has not yet been contacted, but which already maintains several
>>>>> related packages on AUR:
>>>>> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=yangtsesu&SeB=m
>>>>> If you think that his packages look ok, my plan is to contact
>>>>> yangtsesu and ask if he wants to maintain the ibus packages in
>>>>> [community] (and thus becoming a TU).
>>>>> If you know of other canidates that have a comparable selection of
>>>>> relevant AUR packages, please let us know who they are.
>>>>> Please correct me if any of the above is incorrect or let us know if
>>>>> you have additional information.
>>>>> Sounds like a plan?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>  Alexander Rødseth
>>>>>  Arch Linux Trusted User
>>>>>  (xyproto on IRC, trontonic on AUR)
>>> Also, fcitx looks very CJK-specific to me, whereas ibus is a
>>> multilingual input bus (think SCIM). So, not really directly
>>> comparable. I'm all for finding someone to maintain the stuff, be it
>>> in the repos or AUR.
>> No, fcitx is also not cjk-specific at all. There is fcitx-keyboard
>> (which is already merged into fcitx itself) that you can use keyboard
>> layout as input method to input all languages that just need a layout
>> switching. It also has spell check/hint(as you can see on the fcitx
>> wiki main page..) which ibus cannot provide. Here[1] is also a list of
>> input method fcitx support now (basically covers all major input
>> method ibus supports). Yes most of them are Chinese input method but
>> that's because Chinese input method is the single most complicated
>> one..... (also true for ibus).
>> Yes the original name of fcitx suggest it is a Chinese input method
>> but it is not anymore now....
>> And no, I am not talking about dropping ibus packages (taking into
>> account the *stupid* thing gnome3.6 have been doing on input method
>> integration, it might not be a good idea to move those into AUR
>> either..). Just want to clarify that fcitx is not CJK specific (in
>> fact it provides more non-CJK specific features than ibus and scim
>> now, e.g. spell, clipboard, lua, xkb, quickphrase etc...) and want to
>> encourage people to try fcitx for its handful features even for
>> non-CJK ppl.
>> [1] http://fcitx-im.org/wiki/Distribution_Package_Status
>>> --
>>> GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1
> Just a little bit more noise about fcitx and ibus packages.
> Among those fcitx package in AUR, either fcitx-configtool or kcm-fcitx
> is already a implicit dependency of fcitx (depending on the DE u r
> using) since editing the configure file is no longer supported.
> fcitx-sunpinyin and fcitx-cloudpinyin are also installed by most
> Chinese fcitx users so it will be really nice to see these package
> (along with Japanese and Korean ones) in the official repo (which I am
> sure Felix Yan can be a good maintainer).
> For ibus packages, it is also not a good idea to drop any of the
> existing ibus input methods which is already in the official repo. All
> of them are required package if you want to use ibus to input in those
> languages. (Since the upstream of most of the packages is not really
> active, it shouldn't be hard either.)

Thanks, that makes things clearer. Either way it looks like we do need
someone to take care of these things (who should also have an
up-to-date knowledge about the stuff like what you have demonstrated).


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