[aur-general] aur-general Digest, Vol 115, Issue 14
JOHN Myers
Actoman at Safe-mail.net
Thu Jul 17 03:03:02 EDT 2014
Hey guys I'm sure you guys are cool and all but please STOP SENDING THOSE DARN NEWS LETTER! thank you
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 11:01:58 -0400
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> 1. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (Xyne)
> 2. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (Amish)
> 3. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer?
> (David J. Haines)
> 4. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer?
> (Florian Bruhin)
> 5. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer?
> (James Bulmer)
> 6. Re: Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by maintainer? (Amish)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:19:46 +0000
> From: Xyne <xyne at archlinux.ca>
> To: aur-general at archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by
> maintainer?
> Message-ID: <20140508141946.69a2e78f at archlinux.ca>
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>
> On 2014-05-08 14:10 +0000
> Xyne wrote:
>
> >To give another example, I have attached a very simple script
> >that accepts a list of package names and prints out their last modification
> >times in a sorted list. It depends on python3-aur.
>
> The attachments seems to have been stripped. You can find the script here:
>
> http://xyne.archlinux.ca/scripts/aur/list_aur_mtimes.py
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 20:06:15 +0530
> From: Amish <ammdispose-arch at yahoo.com>
> To: aur-general at archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by
> maintainer?
> Message-ID: <536B965F.3080206 at yahoo.com>
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>
>
>
> On 05/08/2014 07:40 PM, Xyne wrote:
> > On 2014-05-08 10:50 +0530
> > Amish wrote:
> >>
> >> I added one line in package update Guidelines for Maintainer.
> >>
> >> Here is the link:
> >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository#Maintaining_packages
> >>
> >>
> >> Here is the line added:
> >>
> >> "After submitting the update, leave a comment on AUR page of the package
> >> so users following the package get notified."
> >>
>
>
> >
> > Please remove that. Commenting every single update will clutter up the comments
> > page and make it harder to follow discussions.
>
>
> I am ok with removing it. But I would like if more people give opinion.
>
> Because:
>
> 1) Its just a guideline, not every maintainer will follow it.
>
> 2) Maintainer can add one more point in guideline: to "delete" his older
> update comment when new update is uploaded.
>
> 3) I think commenting about update will involve more people and bring
> awareness that the AUR package is active and not orphaned.
>
>
> Please think over point 2, If maintainer follows guideline and posts
> update comment, he will also delete older update comment.
>
> If maintainer does not follow guideline, no need to delete anything either!
>
> Both ways, comment system will remain clean.
>
> Regards,
>
> Amish
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:42:31 -0400
> From: "David J. Haines" <djhaines at gmx.com>
> To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)"
> <aur-general at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by
> maintainer?
> Message-ID: <20140508144231.GA20615 at aludra.phillips-angley.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 08:06:15PM +0530, Amish wrote:
> >
> >
> >On 05/08/2014 07:40 PM, Xyne wrote:
> >>On 2014-05-08 10:50 +0530
> >>Amish wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I added one line in package update Guidelines for Maintainer.
> >>>
> >>>Here is the link:
> >>>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository#Maintaining_packages
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Here is the line added:
> >>>
> >>>"After submitting the update, leave a comment on AUR page of the package
> >>>so users following the package get notified."
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Please remove that. Commenting every single update will clutter up the comments
> >>page and make it harder to follow discussions.
> >
> >
> >I am ok with removing it. But I would like if more people give opinion.
> >
> >Because:
> >
> >1) Its just a guideline, not every maintainer will follow it.
> >
> >2) Maintainer can add one more point in guideline: to "delete" his
> >older update comment when new update is uploaded.
> >
> >3) I think commenting about update will involve more people and bring
> >awareness that the AUR package is active and not orphaned.
> >
> >
> >Please think over point 2, If maintainer follows guideline and posts
> >update comment, he will also delete older update comment.
> >
> >If maintainer does not follow guideline, no need to delete anything either!
> >
> >Both ways, comment system will remain clean.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Amish
>
> As a maintainer, I would never notify my packages' users. Why? Because
> as a user, I would never want such notifications in the first place. All
> it would do is clutter up my inbox and thus make me want to turn off
> notifications for the package in question. Seeing as how useful
> discussions actually occur in the AUR comments, I would prefer to keep
> notifications active, but that wouldn't stop me if maintainers started
> doing this.
>
> Essentially, this is the flip side of the highly-annoying "a new update
> is available" comment, when the flag out-of-date link is right there.
> --
> David J. Haines
> djhaines at gmx.com
> 0xAFB3D16D - F929 270F B7C3 78AE A741 434F A7C6 F264 AFB3 D16C
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:48:48 +0200
> From: Florian Bruhin <me at the-compiler.org>
> To: aur-general at archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by
> maintainer?
> Message-ID: <20140508144848.GK6735 at lupin>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> * Amish <ammdispose-arch at yahoo.com> [2014-05-08 20:06:15 +0530]:
> >
> >
> > On 05/08/2014 07:40 PM, Xyne wrote:
> > >On 2014-05-08 10:50 +0530
> > >Amish wrote:
> > >>
> > >>I added one line in package update Guidelines for Maintainer.
> > >>
> > >>Here is the link:
> > >>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository#Maintaining_packages
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Here is the line added:
> > >>
> > >>"After submitting the update, leave a comment on AUR page of the package
> > >>so users following the package get notified."
> > >>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Please remove that. Commenting every single update will clutter up the comments
> > >page and make it harder to follow discussions.
> >
> >
> > I am ok with removing it. But I would like if more people give opinion.
> >
> > Because:
> >
> > 1) Its just a guideline, not every maintainer will follow it.
> >
> > 2) Maintainer can add one more point in guideline: to "delete" his older
> > update comment when new update is uploaded.
> >
> > 3) I think commenting about update will involve more people and bring
> > awareness that the AUR package is active and not orphaned.
> >
> >
> > Please think over point 2, If maintainer follows guideline and posts update
> > comment, he will also delete older update comment.
> >
> > If maintainer does not follow guideline, no need to delete anything either!
> >
> > Both ways, comment system will remain clean.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Amish
>
> As both a maintainer and user of quite a few AUR packages: I'll get
> annoyed and unsubscribe from notifications for all the packages I use
> which do this, and I'll certainly not do it myself.
>
> There *are* already a lot of tools which allow you to opt-in to update
> notifications, why don't you simply use these?
>
> With your guideline change, you're forcing everyone to get update notifications
> even if they aren't interested.
>
> For me, seeing the updates in my AUR helper is more than enough, I don't want
> an email on every update, but I want mails on comments.
>
> Florian
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 15:52:10 +0100
> From: James Bulmer <nekinie at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)"
> <aur-general at archlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by
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> If we ever have a proper notifocation system inbuilt, I hope it will
> be optional per user because I don't want to be flooded with emails
> about package updates. Seeing them in my AUR helper before updating is
> also enough for me
>
> - -- nekinie
>
> On 08/05/14 15:48, Florian Bruhin wrote:
> > * Amish <ammdispose-arch at yahoo.com> [2014-05-08 20:06:15 +0530]:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 05/08/2014 07:40 PM, Xyne wrote:
> >>> On 2014-05-08 10:50 +0530 Amish wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I added one line in package update Guidelines for
> >>>> Maintainer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the link:
> >>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository#Maintaining_packages
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> Here is the line added:
> >>>>
> >>>> "After submitting the update, leave a comment on AUR page of
> >>>> the package so users following the package get notified."
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Please remove that. Commenting every single update will clutter
> >>> up the comments page and make it harder to follow discussions.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am ok with removing it. But I would like if more people give
> >> opinion.
> >>
> >> Because:
> >>
> >> 1) Its just a guideline, not every maintainer will follow it.
> >>
> >> 2) Maintainer can add one more point in guideline: to "delete"
> >> his older update comment when new update is uploaded.
> >>
> >> 3) I think commenting about update will involve more people and
> >> bring awareness that the AUR package is active and not orphaned.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please think over point 2, If maintainer follows guideline and
> >> posts update comment, he will also delete older update comment.
> >>
> >> If maintainer does not follow guideline, no need to delete
> >> anything either!
> >>
> >> Both ways, comment system will remain clean.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Amish
> >
> > As both a maintainer and user of quite a few AUR packages: I'll
> > get annoyed and unsubscribe from notifications for all the packages
> > I use which do this, and I'll certainly not do it myself.
> >
> > There *are* already a lot of tools which allow you to opt-in to
> > update notifications, why don't you simply use these?
> >
> > With your guideline change, you're forcing everyone to get update
> > notifications even if they aren't interested.
> >
> > For me, seeing the updates in my AUR helper is more than enough, I
> > don't want an email on every update, but I want mails on comments.
> >
> > Florian
> >
>
> - --
>
> regards,
> James Bulmer
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 20:31:51 +0530
> From: Amish <ammdispose-arch at yahoo.com>
> To: aur-general at archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Notify by e-mail when PKGBUILD updated by
> maintainer?
> Message-ID: <536B9C5F.5050403 at yahoo.com>
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>
>
>
> On 05/08/2014 08:22 PM, James Bulmer wrote:
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> >
> > If we ever have a proper notifocation system inbuilt, I hope it will
> > be optional per user because I don't want to be flooded with emails
> > about package updates. Seeing them in my AUR helper before updating is
> > also enough for me
> >
> > - -- nekinie
>
>
> With many people saying NO, I have removed it!
>
> :)
>
> Amish.
>
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