[pacman-dev] Maelstrom(Pacman in C#) project brief

[Georg Grabler]

"As i know" meant actually i didn't know, and it was based on speculation
and things i heard. Fact is, that .NET is released in 3.0, and we're not
even 2.0 compatible yet.

Don't get me wrong, I've been developing in several languages too, C# is
just yet another language I've spent two years with (beta till 1.1, lately
2.0 for the reason it's used for a specific client in our company).

I wouldn't say C# code is well structured, neither i'd say it's nicer to
read than most current and popular interpreter languages (python in
example). It's often leaking memory, also, the applications always eat tons
on memory. Profilers are completely missing, what makes tweaking a lot of
harder.

I don't think it can empower a package manager, for the reason of
compatibility. C/C++ can be embedded into other languages (Java, Lisp, Perl,
Python, TCL/TK, Prolog, LUA, Ruby and others, while in C# you need to stay
native. That's also a speculation, but i havn't seen any binding system or
proper interface OUT of C# into other languages yet (the library way, not
the service way).

On 7/23/07, Bozhidar Batsov <lordbad at e-card.bg> wrote:
>
> "As i know, C# has not even open standards. " - that is not true, the
> specification of the language is open and freely available and it was
> used to build the original mono C# compiler. But you're right - mono is
> not feature complete yet, but is very close to being 100% compatible
> with .NET 2.0. The project's web site claims this will happen around the
> end of October. My biggest difficulty during the development cycle was
> the lack of documentation for the project. Monodoc would claim that
> something is not yet implemented, but when I look through
> mono's class hierarchy I'd see what I was looking for...
> My greatest concern is actually your remark about the popularity of the
> language in the linux community. Personally I have never in my life used
> C#/.NET with windows(for the simple reason that I don't have windows
> anywhere). But I felt in love with mono from the start. I had done
> development in Pascal, C, C++. Perl, Java, Python, Lisp, Prolog and some
> others. I didn't think that I would enjoy C#, but I was wrong. Its a
> great language, and .NET Framework is very capable environment so I
> believe that it can empower a package management system even better than
> pacman + alpm. But time will tell...
>
> Georg Grabler wrote:
> > I can give you another point why NOT using alpm at the current state:
> > - API Interfaces still change a lot (all 2-3 weeks)
> > - The interface still is "ugly"
> > - A lot of functionality is missing for a proper GUI client to be
> written
> >
> >
> > You have done a great work on the C# implementation. I actually
> > dislike the thought of having mono on the base, not for the reason
> > that c# is anything good or bad, but for the reason that c# / mono
> > isn't complete. I wouldn't even consider it as feature complete,
> > they're always behind the current C# standards, often for a year.
> >
> > I lately tried to port an application to GTK# (a quite complex
> > client), but it already failed on backend system functionality. The
> > program is completely .NET 2.0, and SHOULD work out with mono. I found
> > some articles / post on their groups that this is a bug of mono - i
> > don't think a framework should come in a stable version with broken
> > functionality, neither it should need more than half a year (as it's
> > for now already) to get fixed.
> >
> > I can see C# making the deal into one of the main linux application
> > development languages, but the time hasn't come yet. All of the
> > applications you mentioned were either broken when i tried them
> > (muine), had a bad or even worse performance (beagle)
> >
> > Currently, i also don't see any advantage of C# compared to python. In
> > linux i see disadvantages, since there isn't too much software around,
> > and not too many libs you can use. Also, we would set on a language
> > which is not very popular in the linux community. As i know, C# has
> > not even open standards.
> >
> > Yours,
> > STi
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