[pacman-dev] [PATCH 3/4] makepkg: unify source file times for improved build reproducibility

Levente Polyak anthraxx at archlinux.org
Tue May 2 19:30:38 UTC 2017

On 04/21/2017 07:08 AM, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 21/04/17 13:36, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>> On 04/20/2017 11:01 PM, Allan McRae wrote:
>>> I am probably moving this to after source extraction/prepare() running,
>>> so it can be skipped with --noextract.
>> But --noextract depends on your having at some point previously run
>> --nobuild, in order to pull updated sources, re-patch any patches, etc.
>> which I still don't want to do manually outside of makepkg... I don't
>> see why makepkg should start breaking things for me.
>> How about instead we guard it with
>> BUILDENV+=(fix_everyone_elses_SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH_stuff)
>> Or better yet, just file bugs against whatever upstream build
>> system/programming language/source code is determined to sneakily embed
>> source code modification times into generated files, and call it a day?
> Adding list back - any further off-list replies will be completely ignored.
> The reproducible builds people will provide details, but it appears
> pyo/pyc do this.
> A

Unfortunately it won't be possible to fully avoid such uniform
modifications times of input files to get reproducible builds. The most
known dominator there is indeed python and its way to determine the
produced artifacts state compared to the source code. Make does use the
same information by setting the modification time of the produced
artifacts to compare them.
I agree make is in that detail a nicer way as that info in contained
outside of the content of the produced artifacts itself, however there
are external design decisions that we need to accept that they exist and
won't change.

So as both use cases (reproducible and incremental builds) seem to be
valid and wanted features, let's be cooperative and see how we can make
both separately work to make all of us happy. :)

As I don't really see how both can work at the same time: one way that
could do its job is an option like --incremental that would not do any
timestamp unification. This could be used in the case of a incremental
build of a VCS package in a non cleaned environment. I think that is not
too much of a hassle to do in case someone wants to build an VCS package
incrementally with previous object files?


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